>Be me >Get out of military >GI Bill >Start school to turn passion into a thing >Major in Intellectual History and debate between Phil or Econ minor / double major >Making 3.1k a month on top of paid school >Get waifu pregnant >OhshitINeedMoney.jpg >Join trade union >Use GI Bill to make Journeyman rate >104k a year >Comfy life but feel something missing >Don't know how, when, or should I go back to school >Waifu supports me >Me afraid of finishing MA at 40 something and die an 'autodidact' >PhD dreams die
Should I pursue school slowly? Should I just read and learn on my own and save the money?
Any advice, been bugging me for about a year now. Thanks Veeky Forums
Joshua Scott
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Jack Lopez
Bump plss
David Bennett
If you have a comfy trade job that makes 6 figures why bother? You can find everything you'd be paying to learn online.
Evan Long
Idk, I just feel like having a degree is a good accomplishment in of itself
Jack Harris
Your waifu is pregnant? That’s gonna be your biggest concern...
Asher Jones
It's more prepping and emotionally investing myself since I'm fortunate enough to be in a trade union
Everything has been going well desu, still sinking in I'm going to be a dad who goes on Veeky Forums
Tyler Mitchell
OP it's too late to take the academic route. You have a wife and kids. Keep your good job and use your military discipline to get into a studying routine, and also learn to invest that money wisely so you have adequate leisure and ease of mind.
You could also take college very slowly, like a lot of people, a couple of classes at a time.
If anything working will actually give you valuable perspective on the topics you're studying. You don't risk becoming ivory-tower.
David Myers
These are the correct responses. College is for either recently seperated veterans or those looking to get some specialized training. Once you've established yourself and have a career, there is no need to go back. You can learn everything you need to online and if you really need the classroom environment, just take one or two classes at a leisurely pace. Academia is mostly bullshit and the degrees are only worth it as a stepping stone. Take classes you enjoy and or need an instructor to understand.
Lincoln Cooper
What you described is ideal for me. Would you recommend going to the military and then learning a trade or just learning a trade without the military?
Also, I don´t think college should matter to you man, your life seems to be made. College wont give you anything except for maybe having accomplished a goal in life, but you have a good job and no jobs in those fields will realistically pay more. My 2 cents.
Jackson Howard
That's a really last good point
I've always leaned in a more lolbertarian way but really have learned and appreciation for unions, admittedly there are some criticisms but overall it works in my favor
Daniel Sanders
I was an infantryman in the service and I'm in a trade now, to be honest if you were a mechanic in the military and went to a trade union you'd start off the same as someone who was a grunt
If you want to go the military route, first thank you and second chose what you want to do not what you think will translate to civilian life (unless it's something like medical)
John Foster
In my heart I know you're all right, I just am stubborn and would love to have a degree for muh ego and to hang it in my home library
I'm not the biggest fan of Marx but he did teach himself (no college) and he objectively changed the game of philosophy
Michael Hill
I am also a college quitter in his mid 30's who makes 6 figures. It's pretty much impossible for me to go back now but I have zero interest in it.
You already missed the boat on academia and, honestly, if you're already making six figures that'd be the only reason I could see for wanting to go back. Unless you're also dude bro and feel like you missed out on smashing 18 year old puss after keggers and think that's gonna happen.
Or do you absolutely hate your fucking job and think you don't have another 30-40 years in you doing what you're doing? Because I know that feel too bruh. Everybody goes through it. If you want something less demanding physically, you're gonna have to swallow your pride and start asking everyone you know if they know someone hiring. And you're probably going to need to take a paycut to start out. Everybody thinks white collar jobs are all cush, but in the beginning you have to put in the hours and most of the business needs to residualize before you start to get comfy.
Dylan Hernandez
I actually love my trade, and after my apprenticeship I may join my town fire department and do my trade and fire fight (know a few fitters who balance the two)
And I honestly liked college as an adult because a had a little perspective and wasn't worried about girls anymore since my wife and I had just tied the knot
Kayden Evans
Also, you don't need to join the service to do a trade but in the case of a trade union you can do the program called 'Helmets to Hardhats' after the military, so it helps
Isaac Cooper
Did I miss the boat on academia because of my age? (25)
Kevin Jones
I mean you do realize that most people who had those majors probably make less than 104k right?
Robert White
Originally I wanted to become a professor
Connor Price
Thanks for the replies man, I will take what you said into consideration. Even with a few years of, say, welding experience you would still be considered someone coming into the industry fresh? Thanks again man, best of luck to you and thank you for your service.
Kayden Campbell
Are you currently getting your PhD at a top tier university?
Caleb Ortiz
Welding experience in the army, that is.
Henry Kelly
Also just FYI I went the autodidact route because I hate school and worked my way up from the bottom to a decent job that gives me enough money to support myself and read for 30 hours a week. I'm totally happy this way, and I am WAY BETTER at reading than I would have been another way if I didn't have all the experience with people and normal working life. Books are so much richer because I understand what is at stake in them rather than having to analogize or just read campus or high ideas lit. I'm also much more independently minded because I'm not accountable to any kind of department or peer group for my tastes. I can enjoy entertainments just as well as serious work. I have nobody to prove anything too, so I just read what I like and feel is best for me and I've learned very well how to find new things.
Aaron Fisher
Anytime my man! More / less yeah, unless you have specific licenses
If you're looking into mechanical stuff military side I recommend the Army MOS 12K (plumber) or 12D ( Underwater diver / welder)
Thanks again user
Owen Evans
No still need to finish my BA desu
David Roberts
That sounds awesome! I'd imagine it's also better spending 10k on books rather than a year of school
Alexander Ramirez
Also you can do engineer jobs (12K and 12D weld the most probably) in the national guard
I'm in the guard now (Still infantry) and it's a good gig, helps with the transition / is an escape for a weekend
Nolan Gray
That´s what I was thinking, maybe a few years in an MOS that corresponds to a trade job I want to do in civilian life, and then reclassing into (preferably) the SOF, or the other way around. Though I still have time to think about it and might rethink it. Very useful advice man, you´re stellar. Gives me hope that there are people doing well in this country, especially veterans.
David Gonzalez
Kill yourself, welfare queen
Christian Anderson
You might be able to at a juco or at a smaller college.
Go for it, man. Same with the OP. Don't listen to me. Seriously.
I'm happy and always wanted to write fiction anyway. So I do it in my free time. Maybe it'll go somewhere? Probably not. Who knows? Life is weird.
John Martin
SOF is an amazing gig, hard to do
You can do SOF in the guard too believe it or not. I'm actually thinking of going to selection myself or reclassify to 12D after this contract is over (I'll be at 9 years TIS at that point) and I think I'll want to change it up job wise
Good luck man, sucks you can't PM me here I'd answer anything I could
Luis Lewis
I probably will pay more into the system within the next 5 years then you will your whole life
Kayden Sanchez
>then you Veteran confirmed Holy fuck all of you are genuinely retarded
Bentley Reed
I'm on Veeky Forums and I started a thread where Anons are encouraging one another and you come sperging out
Be honest, are you as happy or successful as anyone here?
This is The Virgin vs The Chad
Joshua Hall
I have a lot of questions, but if you posted any account names here I think it will turn out bad. Thanks for all of the help and information, I appreciate it. I´m headed off to bed. Best of luck to you in all of your endeavors.
Daniel Diaz
You should kill yourself along with your dependapotamus
Brandon Torres
that doesn't sound like smart thinking
Nathan Carter
>be me >have free college education cuz Europe >fail first year because I'm lazy >parents tell me I should get a job >finally pass first year >about to fail second year >three years without any progress >tfw I'll probably work in McDonalds
The point of this story is that I want everyone here to know that I'm a failure.
Jaxson Nguyen
>Once you've established yourself and have a career, there is no need to go back. Unless you are in a career that values a degree. A lot of military try for police after their service, and a degree helps you rise above instead of being a road cop forever.
James Wilson
just become an artist, dude
Benjamin Nguyen
Are you French? Thought so
Dylan Bell
I guess I could. I just make something and pretend it has some really deep meaning, right?
Nah. If I were, I'd do ASMR or something
Samuel Ross
Why do people in trades make so much money? Aren't these jobs for brainlets? Is it because not many people are willing to do it which results in high demand?
Carson Williams
this
Cooper Morales
Hey senpai,
No you didn't. Tbh I wish I went at your age... I was a fuckhead when I was 18. I know people who went in their mid twenties and they got a lot more out of it.
John Butler
Trades are basically like the definition of skilled labor. An average person would never be able to put an entire plumbing or electrical system in a building and yet everybody wants plumbing and electricity of course. Hence the ability to do these things is extremely valuable no matter how you look at it.
Henry Campbell
There's an inflation of dumb women with college degrees who no one needs, but there's a lack of good electricians, plumbers and handymen.
Lincoln King
I'm about to do the same thing. Are there any tips you could give me? Tidbits of information you wish you knew back when you started?
I'm hoping to become a photojournalist in the USAF, get valuable experience, get my post-9/11, then commit a decade or so towards a doctorate.
Samuel Anderson
Give it a try man, air force is pretty relaxed too, especially with an MOS like that you will probably have a lot of fun and meet some hot chicks (AF chicks are the best)
David Allen
Supply and demand desu
Lucas Perry
Thank you user son, I think I'll keep at it slowly then go to grad school years down the road
Lincoln Diaz
I want the last thing I see to be your fedora, Senpai.
Christopher Richardson
I finished the last year of my PhD with my first child and am doing a post doc with my second child. It was difficult but financially I was not doing too poorly, although there was of course a lot of stress at times.
I wouldn't turn my back on a 100k salary to become a full-time student of a major that is likely to not result in employment let along 100k/year. That's just unwise.
Why not become a part-time student and finish at your own leisure? There is no deadline for you and the degree is for your pleasure, not an employment requirement. If I didn't finish my PhD I would have been fucked in terms of my career trajectory and opportunities.
Did your wife give birth yet?
Colton Flores
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Nathaniel Price
I'm leaning towards online classes for my school, the school I'm at has an amazing night program too for untraditional students
No she is about half way, very excited and I'm feeling comfortable about money given my profession. I realize many aren't fortunate enough to say the same
What's your doctorate in if you don't mind me asking?
Adrian Adams
Kk
Samuel Williams
My PhD is in biology. It's a small field so I'll be purposely vague for privacy reasons, but basically microbiology, molecular biology, that kind of thing. Grad school was an amazing time to devote myself 100% to knowledge and narrow topics, I really loved that period of my life despite it being quite stressful (I worked 7 days a week for months at a time and my scholarship was prestigious yet not very lucrative).
Honestly, when your new baby is born you aren't going to be able to even think of school let alone hobbies or anything for a while. You are going to be preoccupied with the baby and sleep. It's a fun time and goes by quickly, but there will be a lot of sleep deprivation.
Anyway, courses in a classroom are best if the prof is good, but definitely continue your education with online classes if you can find the time and energy.
Many people never find good employment OR their passion in life. There are worse things than having a good paying job that is at least tolerable and having the time/money to focus on family and hobbies/passions on the side. Definitely pursue education if it is important to you, but I wouldn't throw away your current job or think that you can't pursue a part-time education and be just as satisfied. Don't look at the options or your paths as being dichotomous or conflicting, you can do both if you really want to.
Cooper Young
>i don't pay taxes since i'm umemployed but at least i know the difference between than and then, haha!
Joseph Jones
C’mon, welfare queen, is that your best? Pretty embarrassing, but not as embarrassing as joining the military because you were literally too retarded to do anything else with your life.
Owen Rivera
Who hurt you?
Hunter Jackson
Thanks Senpai, I'll deff take that into consideration
I'm hoping to finish a PhD at some point before I die, maybe teach adjunct at a community school while collectincollecting two pensions.