Beloved

is this any good?

lol, of course not, wtf?

why not?

Why don't you read it and find out?

This board doesn't read stuff that isn't by a white male, but yes it is very good. Morrison is an absolute patrician when it comes to aesthetics

ok i will
>Morrison is an absolute patrician when it comes to aesthetics
could u expand on this?

I really enjoyed it. Really fucked up in some parts. the relationship between the three main characters is well done (not the ghost)

Would you say it’s her best? I enjoyed it quite a bit and want to read something else by her.

Not the other guy but she and Maupussant are my favorite authors so I'll gladly explain. To be honest, I'm very happy to see people discuss Morrison here because few authors have won and deserved the Nobel like her.

All her work follow liturgical processes of Catholicism, with the overarching intent of Beloved that of Dante's Inferno. Her psychology in relation to trauma and violence is unrelenting to both white and black characters. Back in the day, she was hated by contemporary black authors for showing parts of the community left unsaid, like incest and rape by fathers. For this particular novel, Morrison explains in her essay "Home" that she wished to write English without a white referent: how can black people talk about being black or loving black without first talking about the white people that made their condition? It's a similar endeavor Joyce took.

On a stylist level, there are few writers as gifted at texturing nature as her. Her writing harkens to folks like the American Transcendentalists in associating with the biological world. In her book Jazz, she likens the rising sun in Harlem go an egg spilling over; it's firmly rooted in the connection between community and compunction to ontology.

Whether you like it is up to You, but she's the truest student of American gothic since Faulkner.

t. women's studies degree

no, slave/racism porn

morrison is absolute garbage and is one of the least deserving nobel winners, right up there with bob dylan

juvenile symbolism, black and white morality (i have no idea what user-tard is raving about here ) and a tin ear for prose and rhythm.

Give an actual response through close reading of her passages, or defense why she isnt a student of Faulkner and Joyce. I'll wait.

You can dislike it, but to say she has a tin ear for prose is like saying Stendahl lacks humor, you just sound like someone who's never read and just saying a reductive negative of what I said. There's a reason why Frog Face Harold Bloom loves Song of Solomon.

bump

Haven't read it, but Song of Solmon is excellent. I have no idea why Veeky Forums gets so fucking triggered by Toni Morrison, which is a phenomena that predates the current rightwing retard infestation.

bad author

im not a fucking americuck i dont give a shit about guilttripping about what some americucks did to some blackamericucks 200 years ago

theres a reason american literature isnt taken seriously outside of america

Actually don't ever read a book again. Please.

So whoever browsed the thread with genuine interest in whether or not to read her, look at the difference in response between fans and detractors and how this is indicative of the fact no one on Veeky Forumsactually reads. It's a shame, the same western classicism that these fagboys protest actually existed is a style she exemplifies. It's just a good author lol

>seriously outside of America

Watch out boys, no one takes Poe, Whitman, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Miller (s), Sondheim, Pyncon or Caddis seriously! I'm aghast!!!

here op ill drop u some hot quotes from morrison and u decide if u want to read this shit

>“If you surrendered to the air, you could ride it.”
>“I wish I’d a knowed more people. I would of loved ‘em all. If I’d a knowed more, I would a loved more”
>“It's a bad word, 'belong.' Especially when you put it with somebody you love ... You can't own a human being.”
>“He can't value you more than you value yourself.”

america doesnt even take poe seriously

But France does

Why is she even mentioned here?
All women write the same. Some young adult gargles under the same themes tossed for over 15 years about young love and being a woman

If you want a good book by a female, do not look for Morrison.

kek is this real
add some line breaks and it's rupi kaur

>defense why she isnt a student of Faulkner and Joyce. I'll wait.
i'll give you joyce as he and morrison are both unreadable fauxrudite trash

man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man

> "It's nice when grown people whisper to each other under the covers. Their ecstasy is more a leaf-sigh than bray and the body is the vehicle, not the point. They reach, grown people, for something beyond, way beyond and way, way down underneath tissue. They are remembering while they whisper the carnival dolls they won and the Baltimore boats they never sailed on. The pears they let hang on the limb because if they plucked them, they would be gone from there and who else would see that ripeness if they took it away for themselves? How could anybody passing by see them and imagine for themselves what the flavour would be like? Breathing and murmuring under covers both of them have washed and hung out on the line, in a bed they chose together and kept together nevermind one leg was propped on a 1916 dictionary, and the mattress, curved like a preacher's palm asking for witnesses in His name's sake, enclosed them each and every night and muffled their whispering, old-time love. They are under the covers because they don't have to look at themselves anymore; there is no stud's eye, no chippie glance to undo them. They are inward toward the other, bound and joined by carnival dolls and the steamers that sailed from ports they never saw. That is what is beneath their undercover whispers."

Fag boy can't even read a book. Waste of time and your parent's money on your education

that was painful to read. I'm never going to read this book.

Poor refutation

Imagine being this much a pussy you're pained reading well-written free-and-direct discourse

She's unironically garbage.

Free indirect discourse

Stop now this guy is very hurt

No, I know what i said but thank you. Look how the voice emerges from the plurality to provide imperative.

This but ironically.

no song of solomon is her best imo.

youre right but everyone here is really upset by the idea that a woman or a black person could be better than them at anything, especially a High pursuit. but thanks for your posts in this thread theyre really intelligent. not that you needed me to agree with you but i do.

Thanks breh, I do appreciate that. I recommend John Keene and Percival Everett if anyone else is interested in contemporary African American novelists, though the two are much more like people such as Pynchon and Bernhard.

I've met losers of right and left, derisively clinging to figures like Culture of Critique guy and Clarice Lispector respectively, but their ugly bodies can't be covered up by their anger. They will be consumed like a cancer and die. Just read what you like and love the craft for the masters that imbue it. It's not like books matter in the grand scheme of things anyway.
, why waste your life getting upset someone is lauded, just makes more vacuous the holes in your heart.

Fucking thank you. I disliked Beloved in college, but read Song of Solomon a year or two ago and fucking loved it. Looking to revisit to Beloved soon. Or should I try Bluest Eye instead?

Bluest Eye is purposefully intangible and prosaic in the way As I Lay Dying is. Take that for what you will. I think it's an essential read because it is her first and lays out the issues she finds within the community and how possibly to resolve them in later work. Reread Beloved outside the classroom and with the context it is a post-structural event to recontextualize black psychology as slave narratives had great censorship; it's a novel that antagonizes the reader but I personally find the last 4 chapters perfect.

If you really don't want to, either read Jazz or don't read her? It's okay not to like a work, just consider why and if you've given it due thought. I used to dislike Poe and have appreciated him much more after reading Borges and his essays on Poe, for example.

>"I started writing because the black generation following mine had no memory of oppression and instead looked forward to a positive future and I thought no I have to remind them, we need to keep a deep sense of victimhood in our racial consciousness forever."

What did she mean by this?

Because when they all go watch Black Panther in theaters or are surprised Kendrick didn't say shit at the halftime show, they know why they're still buying the media they've been given, much like wealthy Jews of second generation in Vienna were surprised the Anschluss would affect them. The greatest lie the most hated race of a nation can believe is the lie they're accepted.

more important question: is this any readable?

Easily. It's written so even the dumbest members of the community could get her message.

i remember looking through the first page of it and the first sentence was something like "144 was here" to which i got scared shitless and pussied out of the store
but i guess im gonna give it a try now

>Look how the voice emerges from the plurality to provide imperative.
OP if you're still around would you mind expanding on this? Isn't direct discourse supposed to be a quote/quotes from a character/characters, vs free indirect discourse which slips in and out of their thoughts? Would appreciate help from anyone who knows

Hey I'm not OP but I am that guy

You're right, I just mean that the gestures of imperative question arise from a neighbor plot wise but are also the voices of the children from lamentations, purgatory, in religious sense.

Pilate was a beautiful and lovely core to Song of Solomon in such a unconventional way. "I would have loved more" made me so sad but also brave! God, loved this book. Gotta read more Morrison.

you need to go back

oh do fuck off

I'm staying put, dude.

I personally thought it was a pretty good ghost story, and made me hate homosexuals even more than I do today.