Here's Dionysus on how much wine you should drink:
>Three bowls do I mix for the temperate: one to health, which they empty first; the second to love and pleasure; the third to sleep. When this bowl is drunk up, wise guests go home. The fourth bowl is ours no longer, but belongs to violence; the fifth to uproar; the sixth to drunken revel; the seventh to black eyes; the eighth is the policeman's; the ninth belongs to biliousness; and the tenth to madness and the hurling of furniture.
>and the tenth to madness and the hurling of furniture.
Alexander Clark
Greek wine was way weaker than modern stuff and often mixed with water And a "bowl" was like those Japanese sake bowls, just little stone things instead of a cup
Elijah Bailey
must have been lightweights then.
I do wonder how they lived till 80 on a diet of bread, olives and wine.
David Scott
In a few generations that image will lose its meaning.
Kevin Bailey
That's like the healthiest diet around And people on these medditeranian islands still live over 100 years
Grayson Jenkins
From what I've read, the Sardinian diet (eaten by people that live the longest in the world) is mostly fruit, vegetables and legumes. This makes sense because that's where all the nutrients are. Bread lacks that.
Lincoln Morris
I wonder how did they get jacked on this kind of diet.
>The fourth bowl is ours no longer, but belongs to violence in the original i'm pretty sure that says "hubris" as in "underage boipussi"
Christian Moore
nietzsche wanted to destroy this
Jose Rodriguez
sourdough bread is great for you, rye as well
Elijah Scott
>Tenth brings to madness and the hurling of furniture CHICOWEEN BABY This. Bread then wasn't made of bleached white flour and factory yeast.
Ethan Fisher
Greeks are terrible platitude-full pseudo-philosophy. Get out pleb
Nathan Murphy
>here’s Dionysus
Evan Ortiz
Where did you find dialogue straight from the mouth of a literal god and why was he talking about policemen in ancient Greece? This sounds made up
Jack Cooper
Dionysus was a pretty common name
Charles Anderson
What? No it fucking wasn't. Some people were named Dionysius after Dionysus, but Dionysus refers to the god only.
Kayden Stewart
How would you know that policeman wasn't a modern English translation of a Greek word that meant something along the lines of enforcer of the laws? Which they had btw, a whole class of them from which ruling aristocrats could be drawn from according to Plato.
Jason Lewis
Then I'd say it's a terrible translation and op should at least have said what text or author he was talking about in this shitty thread
Eli White
Yeah but it's clear you've never read the Greeks so I'm going to have to dismiss all your opinions and suggestions
Elijah Morgan
not Op but the original speech is pic related. there's a lot of different translations with various liberties and bowdlerizations
Carter Gutierrez
btw if you're looking for more on drinking and partying and fucking shit up in the ancient greek and roman world, the best guide to hubris and fish in existence is Deipnosophistae. you'll find that speech and others by Dionysos in book II if you're looking for where Op probably found it. ymmv on translations
Jason Powell
Also that clearly lists the orator as DIONYSOS, so revisionist fag can fuck off
Alexander Morales
If you read the Iliad and Odyssey there are a fuck load of references to slaughtering cattle and sheep to eat "great sides of meat", many "fine cuts", many mentions of servants employed as carvers, etc.
Luke Clark
Nigga Dionysus wasn't an "ancient Greek". He was a fucking Greek god Why would a god ever say something like this?
Jonathan Long
>The god of wine encourages people to drink wine
Gee who woulda though
Carson Barnes
>Bread then wasn't made of bleached white flour and factory yeast. I love how Americans managed to fuck up something as easy as bread.
Levi Rivera
What a fucking shill right
Actually if you read it, he advised no more than 3 bowls.
Jace Gonzalez
3 bowls doesn't make much of a Bacchanalian
Justin Perez
the section it's from (the playwright is euboulus, it's a small soliloquy of what remains of his work) in deipnosophistae is all about dionysos and hubris (hybris) and fates and how they are shown in drinking speeches and toasts.
the rule of three drinks and get out if you want to be a good citizen is pretty well documented. there're a couple reasons for it: wine was mixed at parties, and it was mixed stronger as the symposium went on; attending two was dangerously drunk, and getting too good at games by going to too many of them suggested you were a cottager; attending none made you likely an idiot, so it's impolite to leave during those rounds dedicated to dionysos and the fates/muses. a symposium that gets to six drinks is the equivalent of a stag party about to go wrong drunk, so when alcibiades bursts in drunk to a symposium talking about manboylove (four drinks in) plato's being particularly suggestive.
Jose Taylor
very nice input, thank you for sharing image and info
Ryder Smith
Some of the finest cheese can also be found in Sardinia
Zachary Cruz
Because Greek gods partied and raped like no one's business?
James Moore
you know that plato's republic didn't exist in reality, right?
Liam Davis
You know that it was a utopia based mostly on established practices right? And was primarily an idealistic version of the Spartan caste based oligarchy mixed with some components of Athenian philosophy and culture right? Lmao you didn't read it by itself did you? I mean you did read Herodotus and Aristotle as well didn't you?
> 1 pre-pre drink > 2 real pre drink > 3 get a beat cuck to buy you a shot > 4 dancing in the floor with random niggers squeezing yiur butt > 5 on the way out the club > 6 from your friends jack daniels reserve > 7 from a rich chad in his appartment > 8 and youre unconscious while getting gangbanged by chad and tyrone > 9 to wash away the taste of cum and sweat > 10 your friends are calling the abulance as you puke your guts out > survive the er the next dat > 11 take a shot its your friends jessicas birthday
