Jordan Peterson - Serious Thread

As a charlatan

Whats with his obsession with lobsters.
Ok I get it, one male lobster will mate with all the females but why does he take such a special interest in that very exceptional case in nature
Its not sure a simple conceitful rhetorical tool r-right?

his timing and delivery platform is what makes him relevant. He'll be remembered for that.

>He's going to be studied as a social oddity in the future as part of a larger pantheon of multidisciplinary celebrity scientists including icons like Gad Saad and Jonathan Haidt, who all promoted essentially the same sense of a grand academic narrative of the evolution of human personality and culture filtered through varying perspectives of theoretical specialty.

Its sad that Papa Greg probably won’t be remembered

I know you two are only playing around, but seriously: why are so many people so submissive to some faggot who states obvious facts over and over?
He is to philosophy what Neil Tyson or Bill Nye is to science.

Yeah except he's not even half as effective as those hacks are.

>At 31:25 - The Minotaur Of Milwaukee navigating the labyrinth of truth! (in Petersonian terms)

youtube.com/watch?v=woxZrgjyv5I

Even in ten years he won't be remembered. He's a reactionary thinker that just happened to find a niche at this specific period in time. He's trying to fulfil the same role as Sagan was for the sciences, but his personal politics get in the way of this success.

>reactionary

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There are at least three Peterson threads already in the catalogue. Don't you faggots have anything better to do than advance the cult of personality for this asshole?

He is pretty open about wanting to return to more traditional social values before the sexual revolution

It's about the larger fact that lobsters have a dominance hierarchy much the same way we do, and our common ancestor is 100s of millions of years ago.

The point Peterson is trying make is that the dominance hierarchy has been an innate part of our being for a very, very, very long time and the postmodern neo marxists can't just throw it away because they think it's "oppressive"

why doesn't he mention that rape is also a part of the dominance harky and postmodern neomarxists have outlawed that

What Peterson preaches isn't even authentic Christianity though ... it's some wierd Jungian amalgam of Christianity and semitic paganism

>postmodern neo marxists

>It's about the larger fact that lobsters have a dominance hierarchy much the same way we do

But they very literally do not, its extremely different from any mammal species reproductive cultures

New wave Christianity

Huey Lewis and the Good News?

bashing Peterson is pseud shit. He's not one of the greats, so what? I don't pay much attention to him so I don't know if he claims to be one, but at least it seems like he's holding the line in times of extreme decay in western thought. That's something at least, no matter what you think of his politics/persona.

the lobster social hiearchy is completely different from the human one in that the lobster's social hierarchy is predicated on their ability to contribute to the survival of the species: there is nothing explicitly fit about wall street executives, silicon valley social network CEOs, or Instagram supermodels that insures the survival of our species

He hasn't done anything worth remembering yet. He won't be taught in philosophy classes (remember his profession is as a psychologist), in his current narcissistic quest to be a public figure, his closest analogue is Malcom Gladwell, who is quite a bit more known than Peterson but will also nonetheless be completely forgotten in 100 years time.

There is also no survival benefit for humans eating nothing but fructose syrup and sugars and carbs and becoming fat fucks, but they do this because the behaviour is built on an evolved circuitry that favours these things from eras when they were scarce.

Social heiarchies are an evolved part of the human species, they don't just turn off when we invent computers and marketing.

>there is nothing explicitly fit about wall street executives, silicon valley social network CEOs, or Instagram supermodels that insures the survival of our species

In the long run maybe, but you can't deny Henry Ford and IBM didn't vastly increase the power of our species

Why does everyone keep acting like he's failing as a philosopher as opposed to winning as a psychologist? He is a very successful academic.

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Not an argument

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The part of the dominance hierarchy that Peterson refers to is the part where your serotonin levels go up and down depending on your position in the dominance hierarchy. He's not making any further claims about similarities between our dominance hierarchies and lobster's other than that they both exist really.

He also mentions that in our society there is a nearly infinite amount of dominance hierarchies, not just one singular sexual one, and one's goal should be to move up the set of all of them.

not only is he clueless about philosophy but he's clueless about technology as well, so he started believing in conspiracies

Because nobody cares about psychology, its a meme field that has all but lost any respect it had in the past

Then why bring up lobsters at all, why have them in photo?
He seems to keep lauding them as if they're some impassable evidence of something but I don't see what

Henry Ford didn't invent the assembly line, he visited a Chicago slaughterhouse and witnessed it there being used to process carcasses, it emerged in parallel in several countries over thousands of years of man's being and can't be tied down to one person

IBM, and especially its executives, was not especially influential in the development of computing machinery

>He's not making any further claims about similarities between our dominance hierarchies and lobster's other than that they both exist really.

No, with that remark about evolutionary developed serotonin responses he's making a whole class of statements about the biological basis of dominance hierarchies and social psychology, some of which contradict his own philosophy and prescriptions.

You just want to close your eyes to the obvious point he's making in that tweet.

He also thinks that Google is trying to replace Europeans with black people, again without understanding technology and falling for /pol/-tier conspiracies

>Blaa blaa blaa the world didn't literally rest on individual men

Irrelevant to my point. If you deny these people had SOME hand in the product of the organizations they led you're just a resentful memer

That our mood hormones are directly linked to our very real place in the societal hierarchies, that societal hierarchies exist amongst many species on Earth including ours, and that the neurological circuits responsible for expressing these heirarchies are literally millions of years old.

The argument is essentially: Social hierarchy is biological, not socially constructed.

>Henry Ford didn't invent the assembly line

Nonsense.

It's impassable evidence that the general evolutionary concept of a dominance hierarchy has existed for 100s of millions of years. They're in the photo because he is well known for talking about lobsters, and it's somewhat of a meme that is obsessed with lobsters at this point

Well said

You're a fucking maroon if you think Google is *not* trying to shape our perceptions.

Google openly admits to having "censorship" divisions manipulating their algorithms towards certain social engineering. I don't know why you consider this a conspiracy

>It's impassable evidence that the general evolutionary concept of a dominance hierarchy has existed for 100s of millions of years.

You say that as if there is any substantial group of people that would disagree.
Don't Liberals of all people assert a history of domination from which we are "progressing" from?

the point is that, with a few exceptions like von Neumann, these innovations emerged as collective social efforts rather than as the genius of the Great Man

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line#History

"At Ford Motor Company, the assembly line was introduced by William "Pa" Klann upon his return from visiting Swift & Company's slaughterhouse in Chicago and viewing what was referred to as the "disassembly line", where carcasses were butchered as they moved along a conveyor. The efficiency of one person removing the same piece over and over without himself moving caught his attention. "

Google doesn't alter your results because of propaganda purposes, it alters your bikini search results because it WE WANT EM' THICC

source?

yes replacing "europeans" with images of black people sounds like an excellent way to go about that

As a father figure to underaged /pol/edditors and not by anyone else.

Jordan Peterson, for somone so concerned about Google censorship, didn't seem to mind until he started getting demonetized, and he still continues to publish his videos on Youtube

wired.com/2016/09/inside-googles-internet-justice-league-ai-powered-war-trolls/

>Trump’s anti-Semitic supporters mobbed Jewish public figures with menacing Holocaust “jokes.” Anonymous racists bullied African American comedian Leslie Jones off Twitter temporarily with pictures of apes and Photoshopped images of semen on her face. Guardian columnist Jessica Valenti quit the service after a horde of misogynist attackers resorted to rape threats against her 5-year-old daughter.
whoa how dare they try to stop this from happening. Censoring muh freeze peach

Yeah because we all know unaccountable authoritarian mechanisms only ever get exercised for their "official" purpose forever

lol so what do you think is gonna happen eventually? Google is going to destroy western civilization?

Can't trust a guy wearing pleb shoes like his. How much does he make off of Patreon again?

that pic is reddit incarnate

And it's a very different thing to all be discussing together how we might go about taking control of our evolutionary trajectory in a safe and responsible way, as opposed to blaming one group of people for creating the evolutionary imbalance. Also Peterson is essentially saying that to "progress" beyond an essential organising principle of nature is not something that should be done lightly or without serious consideration of both sides of the argument.

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No that would be the Jews. Google are just doing their part

There is no such thing as non-physical violence

Sargon of Akkad's careful analysis

Holy fuck that is cringy.

Doesn't seem like he fully handles his twitter himself anymore.

yeah i think his son is doing social media and video editing

all credibility --->> *window*

Biblical lecture series is great desu

like hitchens, but more weirderer

I don't think he cares about that. He always seems happy when people tell him that his videos helped them understand philosophy.

>Gad Saad and Jonathan Haidt

are Petersonfags capable of not thinking in memes

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Because he's a successful published author. Veeky Forums is projecting.

kek

>Semitic paganism
what do you mean by this user?

Do you want the 10, 50, or 100 year prediction?
Within 10, all information (Location,speech/articulation patterns, fears, etc) is consolidated to massive channels for easy ISR funded entirely by Google and subordinate entities. This information will be exploited to maximize the consumption of goods and services. Crime will decline dramatically thanks to free porn and cheap food.

Within 50 years, competition within a 90% of human interaction will be gone. Solutions to our problems will be dropped at our doors. People will willingly pile into progressively smaller quarters thanks to advancements in VR. Video games will be designed to maximize dopamine release thanks to those massive info channels. Governmental organizations will be rendered obsolete. Law enforcement will equate to a short suspension of entertainment.

In less than 100 years, people will be practically born into VR. Self-paced educational programs, much like the video games, will provide the optimal challenge/reward curves to accelerate human learning. Spoken language will be happily forgotten as the networked human mind work happily with self-improving computers.
The nation, the family, and the self have all been rendered obsolete.

Bonus:
In 200 years you will not know that death exists.

The religious beliefs of Babylon, which is what the Jews believed before Abraham

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Other than the exponentially growing hybrid of surveillance, marketing, and AI? Nah.
That's why it's an anonymous prediction on Veeky Forums.

>Discussing popular public figures
>Huuuurr can you even think without talking about popular public figures.
What a strange non-argument.

As a misogynist that wanted to model human society on lobsters.

suddenly death seems less scary

You don't want to be involuntary suspended in life for eons with nothing to do but locate the next prime number?

And what's wrong with that, you leftist cunt?

Like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=vZQJFbrqjUY

Dude I'm all for it, but I call myself a reactionary

>Kermit, the uh, pseud here

Legit laugh everytime

Why does he pretend to be a libertarian and an agnostic when it's clear he's just a typical christian conservative, if slightly better educated than his peers?

You only have it half right, he's a conservative but he's an atheist that pretends to be a Christian

The events that determine his legacy have yet to occur so there's no way to answer that question yet.

And why exactly you're saying that? Unironically curious.

>clean your lilypad, mantadpoles.
>growing up and becoming frogs is the true counterculture

good fellow who helped a lot of people

Biblical analysis

I actually unironically think his advice does more harm to people than good.
I've known anyone IRL who is a fan of his who doesn't just use his hysterical victim complex to justify their own bad life choices and refuse actual self reflection