She was music

Pleaae don't promote her even sarcastically.

what did he mean by this?

Dan Paterson being disingenuous in The Guardian article in defense of McNish:
"You don’t have to like what people do, but I think you measure it against its own ambitions. Otherwise it’s like saying TS Eliot was a terrible hip-hop artist. True, but so what.”
McNish has clearly stated she does not want to be considered primarily a spoken word poet, meaning Watts is the only person honestly judging it by her ambitions.

Wow, she couldn't have given a worse response if she tried. Not the time to attack someone for using their "high-register vocabulary." The thing is, Watts WAS very clear about her thoughts on McNish - she just expressed it in a way that was lucid, precise, and as polite as one can be in this situation. When your main criticism of a piece is that it wasn't rude enough to easily attack, you know you've lost.

Good point

I'm waiting for my library to get Watts' book. I hadn't heard of her before this fiasco, but after reading her essay I figured it was worth checking out. I'd been meaning to get into more current poetry anyway, I just haven't known where to start

why is it impossible to find any criticism of this woman on youtube? She's worthless.

He would still hear it....

How does one respond to a legitimate criticism if they're a fucking idiot and know it?

Except for apologizing, you really can't. The idea is that you should have something of substance behind whatever work you're putting out there, even if other people aren't seeing it. If someone's putting out empty-headed and pretentious poetry, pretending to be something they're not, and they get called out, then they had it coming.

The correct thing to do would be to take the criticism to heart, reevaluate your life and the purpose of the works you create. Either use the criticism as a springboard towards the creation of something truly worthwhile, or gain a little humility and allow your works to be exactly what they are (poems as self-help are fine, as long as you're not panning them off as literature). McNish's response was uncalled-for and juvenile, and did nothing to help her case.

honestly, i cant remember
teen dreams
all my teenage feelings
and their meanings

She was brapcore
Fortunately, he still had a nose

just looked into this, Mcnish has millions and millions of youtube views on her poetry and is doing world tours: rebecca watts has like 3,000 total views....sounds like a publicity stunt, whats popular isnt always without worth or merit

Likewise, what is popular is not always good. PN Review is a solid journal, they wouldn't publish something unless the editors believed it had merit. Did you actually read the essay or look at any of Mcnish's work?

Wouldn't the fact that one of these women has 3,000 views an the other has millions indicate something about which one is more likely to do publicity stunts? Besides, Watts doesn't do spoken word so you'd expect her channel to have less activity.

>Watts is doing this as a publicity stunt
Can you imagine being so firmly deluded you didn't believe in valid criticisms of Mcnish?

Haha, btfo

I once worked
with this guy
at a warehouse
who said
"Indian girls know how to fuck"
oh yes
he exclaimed
"they are passed down secrets from their grandmother
about how to please a man"
and I didn't
believe
him at first
but now that i've read
Rupi Car
I know the taste of her honey
butt

I have a hard time believing anyone on Veeky Forums unironically likes McNish, she's Rupi with extra bruv

This is now a claw thread.
Has anyone tried his technique?

>look at any of Mcnish's work?
yes, the reason I made the reply I did: she has discernible talent

Mcnish is just jealous she spent 500,000 dollars studying at oxford and cambridge, and this naturally gifted chav lass pursued her God given gifts and touched the hearts of the plebian and highbrow masses alike

I'm genuinely curious about what you see in her. What, if anything, distinguishes her from Rupi in your view? Or do you like Rupi too?

>Mcnish*
I mean Rebecca Watts, pardon me for forgetting already

McNish is the one being called out for being pleb. She went to Cambridge and has a masters.

its more I am comparing her to Rebecca Watts poetry I found, which wasn't terrible, there was some sparks of goodness in it, but was also quite derivative and cliche: Of what I have seen of Mcnish there is raw real true poetical passion and verve and fervor and a natural unabated desire to produce truly from the soul and heart, and there is true artistry there (meaning not everything truly produced from the soul and heart is good... but can be powerful, if met with true touch, taste, artistry, talent...which she has...she is a natural, and she touches upon many subject matters and themes and styles).

My knee jerk is simply: popular young poet who my personal judgement is actually having passion and love for words, ideas, the world, and their fun and powerful mixing: and someone who is also a poet, albeit of a different style, taking a shot at what is shiny and flashy and popular with younger people and not stuck up ivory tower hear thee hear thee doth thy thine vine mine gemstone in le thames with a brouchard negligee oriental and their fathers machines in the palace gardens after noonday tea on the terrace with charles and sir thomas: taking easy shots hoping to get a certain crowd to say: yeah you are right and good and cool and smart and brave and honest and hero and hey maybe I will check out your poetry now too: guyss.... guysss.... we need to all like higher brow poetry... guyss...... I spent 5000000 dollars studying high brow poetry and the masses arent liking it guyss....... this is badddd......

wtf I'm a sex pervert and women love me now!

youtube.com/watch?v=eaL2tN-M6s4

youtube.com/watch?v=0ICG71LD8Sg

youtube.com/watch?v=-2z-Cd3luqA
some examples to aid judgement

>Or do you like Rupi too?
why dont you like rupi? What percentage of her poetry have you read? Or let me guess, you read 5 or 10 and youve read them all?

>Or do you like Rupi too?
do you think Rupi (rupee...) has a harem of young beta slave men kept in one particular room in her mansion in cages, which she occasionally for inspiration takes one out on a leash for whipping and shitting on?

...

I haven't read anything by Rebecca Watts aside from her essay, it's entirely possible her poems aren't good either. You seem to be unaware that both Watts and McNish went to Cambridge, and both have master's degrees.

And what good is passion if it's used for self-congratulatory or shallow ends? Is passion the a rush of dopamine you get when you read something that confirms your beliefs, that "gives you permission" to view things in the way you always wanted to but felt bad about admitting to yourself because deep down, you know it's wrong? What good is passion if it serves only to validate instead of challenge?

I guess there is a place for that sort of thing, the issue is that McNish wants to be taken seriously in a way that her poems don't really support.

You're right, I've never seen anything of Rupi's that made me want to seek out more of her work. If you have examples of anything she's written that you think is good I'd honestly like to see it

efukt.com/22218_Lobster_Rapes_Girl.html

>Or do you like Rupi too?
I dont like Rupi, I LOVE Rupi

>What good is passion if it serves only to validate instead of challenge?
what percentage of Mcnish poetry have you read, that you can say it does not challenge? Much of it I have seen is precisely challenging social norms and repressions and oppressions

...

>she was urine
>but he was not a toilette

I flipped through her book, was unimpressed, and went on my way. I do think she's better than Rupi, I can see how one might enjoy it if they liked the style, or were a mom. I checked out her instagram just now and everything I saw challenged social norms about as much as Urban Outfitters.

Again, poetry like that has its place, but nothing about it struck me as noteworthy, beautiful, or fresh. It's like Chicken Soup for the Soul-tier stuff, even if she strikes a different tone. To be blunt, her stuff seems too boring to win an award.

Why don't you post a poem of hers you enjoy? Or that you feel challenges social norms in a meaningful way? She has a lot out there and its definitely possible I've missed some of her better work.

This one would be quite funny as a webcomic accompanied with childlike but very gory pictures.

Best Rupi Kaur I've read / 10

She was a Jimmy John's sandwich
and he was alfalfa sprouts

if you guys keep making these rupi threads i'm gonna read her.

Good post.

Really though I don't understand why Watts and others are so against shitty Instagram poets. Seems to me 'proper' poetry and Instagram poetry are two very separate markets- people who like shit poems were never going to be in the market for good poems, and vice versa.

If there is any movement between the two it will be from shit poetry to good poetry and not the other way round- it's not like someone will read and enjoy Yeats and then get excited about discovering Rupi Kaur.

Because they're the ones winning poetry awards and being heralded as the future of poetry while other stuff gets pushed out for being "pretentious" (i.e. requires effort to engage with). If they were separate markets this article never would have been written (originally it was supposed to be a review).

Love her feet so much

your immersion wasn't ruined by the opening line in which a presumably human woman is identified with the abstract concept of music?

seeing how attractive she is makes me hate her poetry less desu

she is like a mix between pocohantas and jasmine

Nice made up price tag. Also
>durr what is graduate funding
I haven't met an unfunded graduate student at Cambrige aside from those from extremely wealthy families.

>implying
Don't you have a spoken word poem aged 6 to upload, McNish?

dont you have another not an argument to make

she was the sun
but he was born with cataracts and dictates posts to his little brother

It just seems to me that real poetry can go right on being the hilariously niche activity it is. Eg someone said Rebecca Watts sold 3000 books- would she have sold more if Instagram poetry didn't exist? I very much doubt it.

And to the extent that this stuff is celebrated, surely it's by publishers desperately trying to make poetry a bit popular/profitable and seeing an actual opportunity to do that.

If you do-
n't use any metre,
then you - are just writing poorly
formatted prose

Carlos Williams tho

here.

On the other hand, I can imagine that some 'squeezing out' happens at the publisher level, eg 'We can publish one poetry book this month. Do we go for the actually decent poems that will sell 1000 copies max, or the shitty Instagram poet with a gorillion followers?

So you have a point. But I am an optimist and do think that, although it will be a tiny percentage, some of those gorillion might move on to good poetry and ultimately expand the market for it.

Anyone want to draw this? I'm thinking two crudely drawn panels in black and white and red:
>she was music
A hippy, floaty, possibly spectral dancing woman with notes all around her
>but he had his ears cut off
A dude standing with blood gushing out of both sides of his head and one ear on the floor on either side

Reports from the recent Jaipur lit fest that i missed because of you Veeky Forums

>some of the most ear-splitting roars and applause coming from the venue right across where Rupi Kaur was in session. Some occasionally reliable sources report a scene right out of a voodoo ceremony (not that I would know anything about that) with a hypnotised young crowd snapping their fingers as some verses took a hold of their souls.

translation

she seemed like she could offer him so much
but he wasn't buying it.

this hot guy ignored this one chick who really wanted to give him an orgasm
but he was boring and saw the world as boring
and cared little for sex

a girl with an annoying tone and pitch babbling about something in a lyrical fashion.
the guy just has fingers in his ear saying lalalalalala.

she was a goddess
but he was not religious

He was a fount of wisdom
But she wasn't thirsty

he had a penis
but she had one too

One or more people on Veeky Forums
should set up an Instagram account
and fill it
with spoof poetry
and see
just how many
upvotes
they
get

>upvotes

I think that post more implies user has no fucking idea about instagram than anything about reddit. Instagram has likes, right?

Hey, I don't understand Instagram or Reddit. I just know the internet has upvotes.

being proud of ignorance is disgusting

Problem is that a whole lot of people will take it seriously, and get protective about it. Then one day they will wake up and realise that they have booked into a sex change operation to be like her. Hopefully thst is whe they will kill themselves.

so is being ignorant of pride.

Her shitty poems feed of this crappy framing of feminity/asian identity through fucking disney lol. Beta boys like you are the reason real poetry is ignored.

I've never seen a post with as many giveaways that the poster is female.

Are you a brown girl? Please post pictures of your feet.

I've read the stuff on her website, mite try to get hold of more. The first one (about the map) is really good, as is the MET office advises caution

I'll show you my thumbed-through copy of Paradise Lost to show I am a proud son of England. Disney is cheap popular culture, plebian as the day is long.

every time I see this thread I like this poem a little bit more.

Picture actually nauseates me.

...

Are you new to poetry or something?

yes tbqh
maybe I'm reading it wrong because I don't know much about poetry but I don't think his ears have literally been cut off in the poem, it's a metaphor.

garbage. feel bad

She was a street shitter
But he had a toilet

recycle. feel better!

she was a size queen
but he was white

is this good? my graduate student professor wrote it.

Now North

Maybe she looks out the van window

and the sunlight is silent as it’s always

been and she thinks to herself, It’s time

to leave him. She gives herself

that freedom of a boat moving out

on its own on the water and feels

again that this is what life is for –

letting go when the job’s done

and the heart is crushable as a can

in her palm, whose lines are

going another way, now north.

you know shes really cute and i bet shes nice you know and maybe i think if we met she would like me maybe ohhhh

In another thread I will give an honest opinion about an author. You will correct me rudely (I haven't read half the books you guys have) and I won't know you are the same person who posts anime girls and makes ironic posts.

kekekeke i am desu three years of neetscholaring just reading everyday will do that

Yeah I was talking about publishers and content that gets hyped by journals, awards, etc.. I agree that instagram poetry in general is being read by a different audience.

Non-instagram poetry will survive no matter what, but I can understand the frustration when platforms that used to champion your art form start promoting instagram poets instead.

Not the point, man

oh so he literally has no ears? must look pretty funny, I don't think the woman who is literally music is losing out on much.

If peoople
were rain
I
was a
drizzle
and she
was a
hurricane

he was music
but she had his ears cut off

He was cut
off but she had his ears-
music

Any pornstars that look like her?

He was cut
But she could only get off by wrapping her ears in foreskin