Just started reading this and I really like it, it sucked me in right away

Source on this?

Is it the one where he fucking explodes, without even saying the iconic ending?
In that case 2/10.

I read it with very few preconceptions and found it very funny. It's silly, it's absurd. Kafka's writing feels almost proto-pythonesque.

Welles really dropped the ball with that ending, and all because "muh holocaust"

It is probably the most offended i have ever been by cinema.
Completely turned me off of Welles, and i've never watched anything else by him since.

kaftka thought it was funny because the overhwlming absurdyity of the horror, as a child might find burning with a magnifying or urinating in an anthill hilarious. He knew it was horror and horrorable, but also that it was fake...a work of fiction and so this meta of him putting a character through these ridiculous situations apparently he found funny, as nabokov can think what cervantes subjected don quixote to was crude and disturbing, some people find it slapstickly, absurdly, funny. But, I have personally seen no evidence that Kafkta thought this story was funny, so I must hold the possibility that was thrown into the mix of ideas by a nervous psychopathic critic who wanted to produce tricks of their own, or was a bit fumbly over the fact they enjoyed the schedenfreude. How Michael from the office (american version) can be seen as a really sad and pitiful scenario person, but the writers of him must have laughed at all the awfulness he had to endure, got himself into.

meant for too

>without even saying the iconic ending?
what is iconic ending?

"Filmed in Europe, Welles stated immediately after completing the film: "The Trial is the best film I have ever made"."
>pleb
Orson welles sucked and was an idiot and his movies stink and are dumb...I on the other hand

very Kafkaesque

4/4·Roger Ebert
7.8/10·IMDb
90%·Rotten Tomatoes
contrarians will contrarian....or let me guess.... super uber kino film taste master critics school of fine art auterrs

Wie ein Hund

Have any of you even seen the film?

Also
>the artist of the film that is shit says it is his best
Wow.

Roger Ebert's taste has always been fairly questionable, if not overtly safe.
Also, he had no appreciation for literature, so he probably wasn't aware of how ridiculous the ending was compared to its origin.

no but roger ebert and 90% of rotten tomatoes has for me and orson 'owner of the continually declared title of best film ever made' welles said it was his best film... what dont you like about it?

>wasn't aware of how ridiculous the ending was compared to its origin.
you would let one little difference "GUYSSS GUYSSS I READ THE BOOK AND THIS IS DIFFERENT GUYSSSSS HARRY POTTERERR STARRW WARRSS STAR TREKKKK I NOTICEDDD THIS DIFFERENCE GUYSSS LISTEN I AM STANDING ON A PULPIT AND DECLARING THISS BADDD FILMMM DISTASTEFUL AND WRONGG BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ONLY A PERSON WHO WOULD HAVE READ THE BOOK WOULD NOTICE AND THAT PERSON IS ME AND I NOW HAVE A BADGE THAT SAYS I READ THE BOOK AND NOTICED A TINY THING WAS DIFFERENT IN THE MOVIE AND SO ITS A BAD MOVIE AND EVERYONE IN THE WORLD GETS TO LOOK AT ME AND SAY WOAH LOOK AT THE SMART GUY WITH THE BADGE AND HIS BOOK READING KNOWLEDGE HE SAW THE MOVIE AND NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE AND SAID THEREFORE ITS BAD AND THEREFORE HE HASNT WATCHED ANYTHING BY THE BAD MAN ORSEN WELLES AND WE SHOULD BELIEVE HIM BECAUSE HE READ THE BOOK AND NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE"

Primarily the ending, up until that point it was fine, although he didn't at all capture the kafkaesque, and his attempts felt terribly superficial.
And rotten tomatoes is literally (LITERALLY) the film equivalent of top 40 pop mentality, just look at their top rated movies.

>what dont you like about it?
???? We've clearly stated what we don't like about it, the fucking ending!

>Roger Ebert's taste has always been fairly questionable,
ohhhh hasss ittt hasss ittt realllyyyyyy want to go to his website onto the GREAT FILMS SECTION and find me all his questionable choices.... will ya.... will ya.....huh......huh.....do it.......d...d...........d........d........dooo.....it......

I always found his review of Funny Games hilarious.

Can you find me a bad critique/review of the film online, first few pages of google search I only see glorifying glowing gushing reviews... and will the totality of yours be "da ending differdent...da dending wadent da same and stuf...he hert moi fewings, I no wikey any of his mooies any moor"

What the fuck is this clown fest?

the original?

He only did the original, but i realize now that it wasn't Ebert reviewing it, so excuse me.

its kaftkaesque bruv

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Listen retard, I liked the movie. The ending was idiotic though, and the change he made wasn't for any kind of stylistic reason. It was literally just because he didn't want to offend people because he thought having a death by stabbing would remind people of the holocaust.

He only did the US. version, i mean.

>Roger Ebert's taste has always been fairly questionable
rogerebert.com/great-movies
find me some questionable tastes

That top 100 post really did a number on this place.

>but a giant explosion wouldn't
I'm fucking DEAD

I just ate a really nice big bowl of pasta with pesto and parmesean cheese and garlicy chicken so am amped as heck my breh

>guys I just read this DFW essay about Kafka and he told me it's supposed to be funny. Then I read the first five pages of the trial and I also laughed... a lot. My friends said they didn't think it was funny, but I think that's because they're not smart enough to get it like me and DFW and Mann and just people who aren't douchey enough to say Kafkaesque and think that makes them sound smart.

Man Kafka sounded like a barrel of laughs, wish I could hang out with him for a day.

how exactly does he explode, sucide bomber, or just happens like some unexplained last absurd hijinx magical meta symbolic well thats that icing on the cake ?

If so that 'offend' people thing was an excuse for him totake the artistic license to go that route what he thought would be more grandiose

>AI, Superman, Seven, Departures, The Pledge, Mull. Drive
I'm hoping this is just "great movies" and not some 10/10 like the ranking system would suggest.
Other than that, he has seemingly no taste, everything he deems good are movies already deemed good.

I laughed near the end where he's being escorted in a double armlock by those two officials, but that was more of a physical comedy image in my mind

The two policemen from the start take him out of town, throw him in a pit and toss a little bundle of dynamite down with him. It's pathetic.

Kek that sounds great, based Welles.

They throw dynamite at him and he explodes.

listen, I am absolutely no liker of appeal to authority, but I just did it, intuitively, because it felt right

Based capeshitterbro, we out here

Sounds like a mistake.
I'm hoping you're not the guy here who literally cannot think for himself, though.

yeah, that is defenitly no reason to hate the movie, and is totally unjust and out of proportion for that little thing (which I think is epic, and more inhumane, and great, and a good ecision) to make that idiot say 'and that made me not want to watch any other orsen welles films'
that is such a good choice, if Kafkta was around he would agree and be delighted...which is why welles knew to go through with it

and how does that not remind more of the hollocoust...obvious lie he made...

it is actually a perfect, superb, genius decision, and the poster who disagreed with it is a moron mong, reassuring my mockery of the "guys guys i noticed a difference hurumpf angry XDDDD how dare they do that to MYY favvvvysyy wavysyyyyy XDDD heheehe"

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>when a redditor discovers internet trolling

WHAT A BRILLIANT INSPIRED IDEA!!! I would hate the film if it ended with a puny knife... what a piece of shit you contrarian "look at me look at me....*crosses arms* *crosses eyes* XPpppppppp ohhh nnooo hee dittunntttt.... not to MYYYY heroo boook... not to the book I know more than anyone!!! no no no cant be good, cant edit the words of god"

How would Kaftka try to argue...

"no...um...erm....you see....the knife....its...punyness....represents....the smalll...umm...phallic...self...imolation.... of the...immenient...eminent....um...hero..??,,,anti...hero?... and...the knife thrust is... superior... because...I think...well...ahem....its....its just a better idea.....because....well ... you see....I wrote it...and....well... it has more.....drama...and gravitas....so...savage and barbaric....and intimate....the touch....the blood...the slowness of the death....the gutterality of it.... explosion....just no.....just no....it cant be....it makes no sense....it just could never work..." -Kafkta

>the slowness of the death
Thank you for reminding me that K. dies instantly, asshole.

youtu.be/8Z4InJVdCk4?t=9238
Oh god you weren't joking

The worst part wasn't even the ending. It was giving the fucking parable speech to the lawyer instead of the priest, basically because Welles wanted it for himself. That movie is the worst hatchet job of a great novel that I've ever heard of

how many scenes in cinema history have a knife stabbing, and then close up face pan, slow gasping breaths, surprised look to the stomach, looking around, blood bleeding out, slowly drop to the knees, finally drop knife, hands to the floor on all fours, looking around in shock, gasping, finally collapse, pool of blood pools etc, 100s?

pathetic

Too be fair, Welles originally wanted to play the priest but he had to play the lawyer for reasons I forget now.

I didn't even remember that, truly amazing.

Literally nothing is worse than a guy who thinks he's being critical is being a complete mongrel instead.

maybe there will be some insight into his artistic decisions here, maybe you can at least lighten up to the man and his work:

youtube.com/watch?v=RbUe-bM6bXg

I'll pass.

>rare
>on youtube
dropped

I was talking about the book, family, something you clearly know nothing about.

in the book does he get stabbed or stab him self, im gonna read it have the pdf open but if you jus tell me that would be cool (dont mind the spoiler....>reading for plot)

I know... which is why I said maybe by watching the documentary on the process of his making of the film would ellucidate his thought process and understanding of the text....famalam

t. dissonance of cog

He gets stabbed in the heart by the policemen.
This post is unreadable.

ok, the echos are a little tacky, and its really dragging this out, when first described I imagined it a real quick thing...but it is understandable..I imagined the style and everything much different too, like some futuristic dystopian utopian world, not like 20s gangsters in fedoras, I didnt expect there to be any emotion or humanity

but now I see the great purpose, of his screaming, youu... is that in the book?

>I didnt expect there to be any emotion or humanity
Well, there isn't any, Welles made sure of that.

No lol, he gets stabbed and says "like a dog".

>Literally changing the most haunting and iconic last words in the history of literature
>to this farce
Welles was a fucking embarrassment.

>I'm fucking DEAD
Ah yes, very Kafkaesque comment... Like a dog! Heh heh...

>He gets stabbed in the heart by the policemen.
damn...might have to back track a bit...someone get me my badge and pulpit..

>This post is unreadable.
well then case dismissed, none of your criticisms can be considered as meaningful

there was, thus my surprised comment, attempting to garner a reaction from the 2 guys at the end: having never read the text only hearing it described, I imagined it a perfectly cold clinical emotionless world absolutely, but there at the end, and it might go into that throughout, and does to a degrees with the sleek modernity of bare set design, it is just like standard mob movie looking guys, and he shows them do the even slightest hesitation

that cover reminded me of this

>laughing that hard at his own material
What a fag.

this is dope you guys should check it out

see
youtube.com/watch?v=RbUe-bM6bXg
22:24

talks about the end scene change:
25:36

ok, thats where he gives the holocaust answer

58:20

pretty pretty cool dude

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"In the end, the Trial was the friends we made along the way."

>let one tell you about one's bureaucracy for 50 pages
so kafkaesque

>when he leaves "the whipper", comes back the next day, and he and his victim are still there