I've started Thus Spoke Zarathustra and can decipher his views and opinions, but sometimes find myself lost...

I'm saying you shouldn't interpret him at all, ya dingus. Trying to find a 'metaphysical core' or a 'core' in general to his work is suffering, just take the text in and have some fun, suffer a bit too.

bloody postmodernist!

>bloody pomo!
Back to your thread, Peterson

>recommends Kauffman
>has retardedly pleb opinions
Checks out.

I suggest Heidegger, Deleuze, Klossowski, Bataille, Land, Richardson, Strauss, and Rosen.

Thus Spoke Zarathustra is the worst possible start to Nietzsche
Go back all the way to Beyond Good and Evil or you'll get nothing but misconceptions out of Nietzsche

Leo Strauss’s lectures in Nietzsche, they are available for free in audio form and PDF transcript on the ‘Leo Strauss Centre’ website.

A good way to understand Zarathustra is by reading the Genealogy of Morals, Beyond Good and Evil, and The Gay Science.

>I suggest Heidegger, Deleuze, Klossowski, Bataille, Land, Richardson, Strauss, and Rosen.
While you're at it suggesting authors, why don't you read some bud?

>No Colli and Montinari
spotted the pleb

Kaufmann good for intro to N, has none of the fascist baggage

You need to apply your own metaphors, if you get it right you see his metaphors to.

the jew removes the fascism, what a coincidence soyim!

Anyone wishing to it just understand Nietzsche but also understand the context surrounding academic interpretations of Nietzsche needs to read Kauffman. He's not the arbiter of interpretation on Nietzsche but his rehabilitation of Nietzsche is the single defining reason that Nietzsche is even talked about as a serious philosopher in the Anglo sphere.

Did you miss the part of TGS where Freddy boy rails against nationalists?

please don't start calling people postmodernists...

You're posting on a Cambodian Petrol Board, talking about a Kermit soundalike telling hoards of young men advice you can find from a 50s sitcom dad, and you'll probably masturbate later to extremely grotesque porn in 4k resolution.
You're a fucking postmodernist whether you like it or not, you retard.

>please don't start calling people postmodernists...

But this is an extremely postmodern thing to say:
>Walking into a text thinking 'what does the author think' is for children

>t. postmodernist
all the evidence you need to see that post modernism must be eradicated is the required art appreciation class I am taking

holy...a JOKE a JOKE it's called a joke anons

this

>in the Anglo sphere
Yawn

Yawn (in English)*

Kaufmann translations are solid, you fucking moron.

>projecting it back to me

you fucking petersonfags use the same leftist nigger, soviet tactics that you supposedly frown upon. just admit when you're retarded, and move on.

Translations are good. Commentary rudimentary.

I hate you all.

The individual begins where the state ends OP

Jung also has good commentary on Thus Spake Zarathustra.

it has no place in a Nietzsche translation, read a book by a fascist on Nietzsche if you want to have someone interpolate authoritarian, collectivist rw politics into N’s work. Kaufmann a very faithful, widely available translation; just ignore the kikery in the comments, i did while reading Beyond Good and Evil.

His other books.

Read Daybreak!! Either first or early into your study of Nietzsche, it will definitely help. Its from his early positivist phase, so its not cryptic at all, very to the point and touches on the really fundamental aspects of his thought, in their nascent form.

I find a lot of people tend to overlook Daybreak, whereas BGE, Zarathustra and even HATH get more attention, but its my favorite! Don't neglect it!

Best Peterson meme yet.. ty for that one, fucking perfect.

The fascistic elements are still in Kaufmann's translation. It's just the Nazi elements that are taken out, which is accurate. Nietzsche hated the German antisemites of the time; we have letters of his to people like his sister to prove this. We even have tons of aphorisms to prove this in a very subtle but significant way.

What good is there in understanding Nietzsche?

Just google "thus spoke zarathustra explanation".

He's right you know

You're thinking of Stirner, you dumbfuck, Nietzsche has much more to say than that
>replying to yourself
fucking pathetic

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He comments on just about everything. If you understand him, then you're going to understand a great deal, about life and also about how philosophy, art, religion, and science has developed since his time.

You have to understand his idea of eternal recurrence before you're ready for Zarathustra. The book is an attempt to reinvent philosophy away from Plato's metaphysics toward a Dionysian, embodied kind of wisdom. Rather than assert some systematic theory, as did Hegel, Kant, etc., Nietzsche uses allegory and image (gleichnis) to elucidate his philosophy. In doing so, he avoids what nihilism promises: the devaluing of our highest values, for he is not interested in creating new values but in pursuing questions.

Don't shit on Human all too human, user.

>not interested in creating new values
What else would you call 'Umwertung aller Werte' or how he goes on and about 'Werte, Schaffende, Schätzende'?

(not who you're repsonding to) I would say Nietzsche isn't so much interested in creating new values as he is in revaluating contemporary values. He's trying to call people to question things they take as axiomatic fact and that, he feels, has been largely free from scrutiny. In order to say he's interested in creating new values, you'd have to point to parts where Nietzsche explicitly posits new axioms and values to strive for, whereas largely Nietzsche only calls for reinterpretations of the old (both those accepted and those discarded) and speaks to the coming of people (like Caesar and, to a certain degree, Napoleon) who are capable of creating new values. But I don't think Nietzsche saw himself as an arbiter of values, just a prophet heralding the need for their reinterpretation.