What was he wrong about, what was he right about, and is he compatible with right-wing beliefs?

Why do you guys keep focusing on dead ideologies? Fascism and communism are not coming back, sorry.

Yes it does matter. Ugly, ineffectual, and loser like people that can't compete in society are drawn to communism.

Your psychological motivation for adopting political radicalism is your feelings of inferiority which stem from among other sources your lack of physical attractiveness so yes what you look like matters. Relax and work on yourself. You'll be happier and accomplish more.

Wow this is the edgiest thread I've ever seen. From what I can gather, Marx's criticism of olde time capitalism is completely accurate, but his views on human nature are wrong as hell. His ideal economy tends to appeal to college students that are afraid of entering the real world, so watch out for that

Going pretty hard on the ad-hominems here, guys.

I'm doing well enough, actually. My self is fine, I would think. Not entirey sure why you're attacking me because of communism since it's too early for Americans.

Well first of all, Marx took the worst aspects of Hegel, and tried to justify them using materialism instead. Historicism is retarded, and is practically just temporal arrogance.

Secondly, Marx did not predict social-democracy/welfarist/unionist capitalism, which is essentially a corporatist compromise between the state, worker and capitalist, and has produced countries like the Nordics, which are way richer and more egalitarian than he could've ever known in his life.

That said, his sociological analysis of capitalism is quite interesting, and way more useful than his purely economic writings. Especially concepts like alienation.

Fascism is alive and well in Russia and other places, Communism is just floundering in the wake of the fall of Soviet. Why do you think retarded "movements" like Occupy Wall Street or Antifa are funded by die-hard capitalists if not to keep worker's movements from adapting and reorganizing in the post-Soviet era? It doesn't take much intellect to realize it's easier to keep the workers down if you start before they form respectable organizations, as opposed to letting those organizations grow and then trying to stomp on them.

So you shit for a living

He also completely failed to predict the rise of fascism as a consequence of capitalism shitting itself to death.

No. Worms do.

>Historicism is retarded
Why? It makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't. Anyone who thinks they can predict the future by looking at the past is an arrogant idiot.

>western socialists

No wonder revolution started in the East.

Le Commune man hand some good points but overall he was wrong about more than he was right about because capitalism is still a thing, my country is capitalist now, and things very good here better when Americans and Brits were paying disbanded military leaders to brutalize us and take our lands. much better now, yes.

>mfw western "libertarian socialists" don't realize that China is the best hope for the communist movement
>mfw the post-Cold War world is falling apart already
>mfw US imperialism can't even deal with it

Son, fertilizer is a cornerstone of agriculture. Agriculture feeds your obese ass.

These concepts of "x-wing" chance throught history. I wouden't consider absurdo the idea that in a distant future Marx would be considered right-wing.
But if you want to questionar what was right and wrong in marxista body of work, I will resume very briefly for you: great insights, bad solutions.
Happy? Done. Now go read something else.

God, I hate my corrector so much.
STOP CHANGING MY WORDS TO FUCKING PORTUGUESE YOU PIECE OF SHIT REEEEEE

This is the worst kind of normie answer desu. It was more like the opposite - his analysis was great but flawed in many aspects, but he articulated the only opposition to capital which actually works. Socialist economies have existed and they work very well. Of course it's not in the interest of the ((global market)) to have a functional socialist society.

The Chad Proudhon vs the Virgin Marx

>December 26, 1847: Jews. Write an article against this race that poisons everything by sticking its nose into everything without ever mixing with any other people. Demand its expulsion from France with the exception of those individuals married to French women. Abolish synagogues and not admit them to any employment. Demand its expulsion Finally, pursue the abolition of this religion. It’s not without cause that the Christians called them deicides. The Jew is the enemy of humankind. They must be sent back to Asia or be exterminated. H. Heine, A. Weill, and others are nothing but secret spies ; Rothschild, Crémieux, Marx, Fould, wicked, bilious, envious, bitter, etc. etc. beings who hate us. The Jew must disappear by steel or by fusion or by expulsion. Tolerate the elderly who no longer have children. Work to be done – What the peoples of the Middle Ages hated instinctively I hate upon reflection and irrevocably. The hatred of the Jew like the hatred of the English should be our first article of political faith. Moreover, the abolition of Judaism will come with the abolition of other religions. Begin by not allocating funds to the clergy and leaving this to religious offerings. – And then, a short while later, abolish the religion.
Source: marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/1847/jews.htm

>Is he compatible with right wing beliefs
Some of his economic ideas are useful and can predict things better than classical economics. Fascism draws from Marxism (not a lot, but it's there).

Communism might be shit but Marx is an important guy even if you disagree with his conclusions.

Now the person needs to fucking predict the future? If anything, fascism was the truly umpreditable. Who would fucking know that the XX century would be so fullied with such awfull crisis that would give birth to the totalitarian system?

>how could it possibly be predicted that people would respond to the modern problem by trying to port in aspects of tradition?

He had great insights into the new mindset that was being born during the rise of the capitalism. Marx may well be a very flawed economic theorist, but I don't blame him. In his time, capitalism was something new, no one realy got it right what capitalism was and many economists at the time were just starting to make understandings around it.
If there is something everyone should thank marxist economics is that the fear of socialism and communist drove business owners and politicians to make social policies and avoid workers strikes and rebellions due to bad working conditions and general misery.

But Marx concepts are realy insightfull in questiona like alienation and class conflict. Of course today talk about class conflict is stupid, but at the time, it realy made sense.

Sorry if sounds normie to you, it actualy is this simples, realy.

>no one realy got it right what capitalism was
That still holds true. Marx somehow remains the best economic analysist, sadly enough.

>implying fascism was just tradition
Although I would argue that Marx was so full of this "the proletariat will eventualy win" that he didn't even cared about predicting the future. Probably because he felt he already knew the future.

>Of course today talk about class conflict is stupid
>Soviet fell 30 years ago so the worker's struggle is forever over

Class struggle is precisely intensifying in today's world, I can't imagine how people still spout these liberal illusions.

>Now the person needs to fucking predict the future?
He predicts that communism was supposed to happen in advanced countries like the US or Germany. The US made their day job out of staying the fuck out of communism, nazism happened in Germany.
>Who would fucking know that the XX century would be so fullied with such awfull crisis that would give birth to the totalitarian system?
Well, Hugo Bettauer, author of The City Without Jews book, by 1924 adapted to film, predicted the Holocaust, etc. just as Hitler's rise to power was about to happen. Choose your German-speaking prophets carefully.

>t. workers
Class struggle is retarded in moderna day. The "workers" are a colletion of individuals who act in the best of their insterest, even at the expence of the business owner. Business owners also struggle, specialy the small business.
Isen't because workers sometimes need to fight their bosses that they are innocent little chieldren at the mercy of evil capitalistic pigs.

These people look like regular, average people. I could cherrypick an image from a shitty American trailer park with American flags and say oh look how ugly right-wingers are.

Soviet dominated the worker's side of 20th century class struggles to such a degree that its brand of it became the only thing many people easily recognize, and that includes among worker's movements, which is why they haven't recovered or successfully adapted (that, and manipulation of groups that actually have adapted to the fall of Soviet, such as capitalist giants, capitalist state intelligence agencies, and Russia which has retained its ties to left-wing movements to push an anti-American/pro-Putin-oligarchy agenda even though Russia is now a fascist state).

Fucking kill yourself you facetious piece of shit, stop talking about things you haven't spent any time on whatsoever.

What the literal fuck are you talking about?

He was right about alienation and that is basically it. Ideology is also a nice concept but several after him build how it works better.

I know, that's what I'm saying. Fascism was, among other things, 'hey wait actually maybe some of this 18th century liberal shit is actually retarded and we should throw the retarded bits out'.
But Marx definitely was working toward a predetermined conclusion

He better than most, but figured like Keynes and post Keynes have a more accurate analysis

>bitches about people calling him ugly
>says that all right-wingers should die
You should kill yourself fucking nigger
I bet you're a trotskist

You do understand that fascism and autocratic governments are not necessarily the same, right?

>Who would fucking know that the XX century would be so fullied with such awfull crisis that would give birth to the totalitarian system?

Nietzsche did. He saw it coming as a consequence of nihilism and the collapse of organized Christianity.

>right
different classes have some inherent friction with each other and more democracy is conceptually better
>wrong
communism as he envisioned it isn't really workable because of greed, laziness, demagoguery, and people co-opting the message and sentiment for personal/family/political/etc. gain

Also incidentally the flaw of democracy

Russia isn't autocratic, the oligarchs have far too much influence, which is completely in line with a fascist state.

forgot about the last part
I don't see how he would be compatible with right-wing beliefs given that his views were extremely leftist
did you mean to say conservative beliefs? because I've met a couple people who would say yes, and I used to be one of them

Hearing autistic screeching only tells me I hit the spot.
Where did Nietzche said it would be unlimited govs that would kill the individual? Like, legit, where, I am curious.

>Where did Nietzche said it would be unlimited govs that would kill the individual?

He predicted both the rise of political anti-semitism/nationalism and the spread of communist ideas in the book Will to Power.

well it depends how you want to treat economics
if you treat it as part of the humanities it's not needed; if you treat it as a science then it's very important that you be able to make predictions with it
that said fascism was more of a social movement anyway, which tends it very much towards the humanities

If you say, I will believe in you, desu.

He was wrong about everything. Right about nothing.

Reminder he would have been hugely into HBD

I believe Marx didn't know/did't cared/ couden't do predictions like that. Majority of his economic writting is copy and past from people like Adam Smith, mixed with his own critic of capitalism.
He probably wasen't realy caring for economy as a science.

I'm a Nazi and this is wrong
He's actually pretty okay when he sticks to literally just describing what capitalism does. He's bad at predicting things and even worse at suggesting fixes, but the power relationship shit is on point

>Commies feeding anyone

top laff

He doesn't even understand capitalism to begin with, hence he's wrong about everything.

Capitalism creates wealth and prosperity, marxism creates death and misery.

Read more books, user

Also learn the difference between wealth and money

Agriculture is a disease. Genghis Khan was the savior of humanity.

Leftism doesn't work, deal with it.

None of you fags read Marx.

I'm a third positionist, not an economic leftist. Marx is good at describing shit, not least because he's a plagiarist Jew. Liberal capitalism has its own problems and creates its own share of misery and death, such a phenomenon isn't exclusive to Marxism or even socialism in general.

Please stop watching Molymeme and PragerU and read some books. You're an embarrassment to the right and it irritates me that I'm associated with you.

This is where the terms "left and right" tend to be of no use. Are you trying to say left-liberalism don't work? That is to say mixed economic capitalism that tries to look after the well-being of everyone, doesn't work?
It works to so degree, but that cancerous nature of capitalism eats away at it. It's capitalism that doesn't work, Molymemer.

Not an argument

>liberal capitalism creates misery and death
>anime picture

Yes, I'm saying it doesn't work as reality has proven. It simply does not work, leftism is cancer.

Capitalism absolutely works, unless you decide to ignore every instance in reality where it has and keep clinging to your stupid leftist ideology that keeps on failing into eternity.

Obviously we just have to deregulate it more.

>Middle one with scarf is gorg
Would eat her arse desu

>Division of labor is reconcilable with universal human agency

lol

Seeing as heavy regulations caused the 08 financial crisis and prolonged the 29 crash, yes I'd say so. Regulations are cancer, just like unions and anything else government props up.

>Thinking capitalism doesn't create misery and death caused by poverty
>Jew picture
Wew, when is JIDF going to leave Veeky Forums?

I agree fellow Kekistani.

>Seeing as heavy regulations caused the 08 financial crisis

That's just wrong. Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagal which contributed heavily to the 08' crisis.

Do tell me of all the misery and death caused by capitalism.

Shadow banking on behalf of the government caused the financial crisis.

>muh regulation

All regulation does is create more inefficiencies.

there is a wikipedia page about that. "criticism of Marx"

>There is zero evidence this change unleashed the financial crisis. If you tally the institutions that ran into severe problems in 2008-09, the list includes Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, none of which would have come under Glass-Steagall’s restrictions. Even President Obama has recently acknowledged that “there is not evidence that having Glass-Steagall in place would somehow change the dynamic.”

The absolute state of commies.

You want to bring up "realism" and promote the biggest farce since Christianity?
It works to destroy us all, you imbecile. Your gods lead us to death.

This.
The wealthy run the government, as the church ran royalty in the past

>That image
Wew. I bet you're a mulatto Amerimutt too.
guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

You do realize there is a lot more to fascism than just simply le ebil dictators or oligarchs.

But all these people, if only they had lived under a communist regime, would have had clean water, hunger and vaccines?

Yep. Malaria is easily preventable, you dumb coon.

Marx was also antisemitic.

Why didn't the Soviet Union remove malaria? They had decades to do so. Why doesn't Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea try? Hell even Pol Pot could've tried.

How is class struggle "intensifying" today? I don't see it.

The most important part of fascism -the single highly organized party- is missing in Russia. It's just a run-of-the-mill authoritarian oligarchy like hundreds of others.

>The official statistics for all of Russia are 143 cases
Lol, do you understand that all those countries you named have been fucked over by American imperialism? This means they can't focus as much on healthcare, as they normally would. Communism is a world stateless "government" which would have all its production and energy put into things like healthcare. Anyway, those countries (esp. Cuba) have had far better healthcare and disease prevention than countries within the same disease bubble with capitalist economy or colony-like economy (where nearly all their goods and resource are being shipped to rich places) e.g. Africa, South East Asia, etc.

Like how you didn't mention China btw
>Prevention of malaria may be more cost-effective than treatment of the disease in the long run, but the initial costs required are out of reach of many of the world's poorest people. There is a wide difference in the costs of control (i.e. maintenance of low endemicity) and elimination programs between countries. For example, in China—whose government in 2010 announced a strategy to pursue malaria elimination in the Chinese provinces—the required investment is a small proportion of public expenditure on health. In contrast, a similar program in Tanzania would cost an estimated one-fifth of the public health budget.

Why would I mention a non-communist country in China?

The fact is leftism has always failed throughout history, your dream of communism somehow saving the world all the while being unable to feed their own people doesn't really matter. Keep clinging to a dead ideology whose biggest achievement is bringing death and misery to everyone in its periphery.

>China isn't communist but Khmer Rouge are communist because they killed so many people, and China is relatively successful.
Wew. So, is Evil Mao a communist but the country he led isn't because it's now a successful world power?

>always failed
Only ones failing are the right, who seem to think they can always keep things in place forever. Keep lauding the wealthy, you disgusting wage cuck.

Is Mao's China the current China? No, as you can see people are not forced to build a mini factory in their backyard, nor are they randomly visited and shot by the thought police because they felt like it.

What I don't understand is, you seem to be seething because capitalism is the best economic system there is while leftism will always fail. Why don't you move to some leftist shit hole and leave your comfortable back in a capitalist country behind?

Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba are destinations you should move to.

Cuba has no malaria lol

>nationalism
>traditionalism
>spooking with enemies within and out
>no freedom of press or expression
>strong man holding all open political power
>strong ties to national private interests
>not fascism
United Russia fits the bill, Putin has simply consolidated enough power to no longer need to be part of it, but he was part of it until he'd done so, and the party remains his lapdog. That they pretend to hold free elections is just a farce, when popular opponents are murdered, critics disappeared, the news controlled, internet censored etc..

Show me one instance of people "building a mini factory in their backyard" or being "shot by the thought police because they felt like it". Oh yes, it's probably something no one has recorded because the evil communists destroyed the evidence! Oy vey! Time to get away from reddit and Jewish economics, twelvie.

>The fact is leftism has always failed throughout history
Labour unions are "leftist." You would not have liked industrialism before strong labour unions. Every security you have in a capitalist society is a result of "leftist" struggle. Many "leftist" union men died to the guns of capitalist oppressors and their criminal goons both mobsters and police, in the U.S. too. The "freedom" your spoiled middle class takes for granted was build on decades of the blood, sweat and tears of "leftists." You dishonour them and their memory, and if everyone else was like you, you would be doomed to toil until your body was a wreck, after which you'd be tossed aside to die. You know nothing about the history of your class, and like the anti-intellectual you are, you're proud of that.