First for Plato.
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Start with Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique instead if you want the truth
>mfw have to read the entire western canon
>mfw have to read the eastern canon
>mfw have to read religious texts
>mfw have to read national epics
>mfw have to read the Matters
>mfw have to read recent publications to be up to speed with Veeky Forums
By the time I finish this, I'll be too old or dead for it to have mattered
Menon > Apology > early dialogues (doesn't matter too much) > middle dialogues > late dialogues
Also Theaitetos comes before Sophistes
Start always with the Apology of Socrates.
Then the youth works, and follow Conford's chronology.
Very important: look for good translations, otherwise you won't read a shit
What about Tolstoy?
In this order and why:
>Euthyphro
I can't imagine a more succinct introduction to the Socratic elenchus and the general ignorance that Socrates is addressing — even in his friends.
>The Apology
For obvious reasons
>Crito
>Phaedo
Both important post-trial dialogues; the first deals with the relationship of a citizen to their state, the other on the immortality of the soul.
>Meno
Meno's motherfucking paradox and the birth of epistemology. What a trip.
>The Republic
What doesn't it have?
>Symposium
>Phaedrus
Two dialogues on the nature of eros, which are my personal favorites.
>Timaeus
Some really wacky cosmology in which is the primary basis for Neoplatonism. Even weirder to think that, for a time, this was the only Platonic dialogue that Europe had.
After those readings, I recommend stuff like the Sophist, the Statesman, and the Laws. The Laws in particular is excellent and doesn't give the attention it deserves.
I read him in this order:
>The Death of Ivan Ilyich
>Hadji Murad
>War and Peace (Maude translation, which was great since yah govoryu nemnogo russki yazik)
>Anna Karenina
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Should I read Plotinus in the disjointed order presented by Porphyry?
Anna Karenina, W&P and the rest doesn't matter (in terms of order)
>mfw have to read the Matters
the what now?
Meant the literary cycles
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Paul Kalligas, an authority on Plotinus if anyone is, advocates reading in Porphyry's order, because the advantage that might be gained from a chronological reading is minimal, while Porphyry's (imperfect) thematic grouping aids the understanding.
what about my man John?
Where do I start with Beckett?
chronological desu
pseud here is there anything i should read before neetz or just go right in
You're comparing yourself against a composite of hundreds of various individuals. Very very few people here have actually made their way through all of that
if ur gettin into philosophy i reccomend u start with "the republic" by plato ;))))
or just skip it and go right into "thus spoke zarathustra" by nietszche
those are beginner essentials !!! )
what am i supposed to do then
Well, what are you interested in eventually reading?
Where to begin with Thomas Mann?
those actually
>he reads to have read
Holy shit the sheer amount of pleb going on here is immesurable.
Then enjoy reading them one by one and don't spend your time preoccupied with what you'll be reading next
If you can't decide what to read first, toss a coin. If you don't understand the book you pick up, come back and ask what would help to read prior.
Plenty of the stuff on your list can be enjoyed in isolation though
Second for this
Nobody has.
Just read what you want you fucking dingleberry.
Where do I start with Charles Dickens and Saul Bellow?
I think the answer to every question is
CHRONOLOGICAL
Short stories first to get a taste. A lot of them are more in the modernist vein than the bourgeois-humanist material than in Buddenbrooks (which you should read next) but it prepares you for his lengthy writing style. Chronological in novels after that, but save the 1500-page Joseph and His Brothers for the end. Though i m o Doktor Faustus is still probably his magnum opus that combines the classical German and Viennese schools in what is arguably one of the last novels of that style in all of history. Adorno is in it too.
Thanks a ton.
>Plato's Symposium and Phaedrus
>Death in Venice
That's a great start, actually. Then MM or BB.
>tfw trying to read parmenides
This is the best idea anyone's had for this board in months. Next, we need a Peterson general.
>This is the best idea anyone's had for this board in months.
It really is. Good job OP
Quantum Physics > Politics > Astronomy
Joyce? Just copped me a copy of dubliners this a good start?
>he didn't start with Finnegan's Wake
Thanks anons. I thought that through this thread we could collect all orders and then create some charts so that there would be more threads for discussion and feminist-shaming.
yeah.
started with dubliners, bored the shite out of me.
then read Portrait of the artist as a yung shite, loved the absolute shite out of that one.
then moved on to tha bigg books, loved the tough one, hated the gibberish one.
hope that helps, ya gaudy motherfucker you.
Does anyone else believe Plato to be correct on EVERYTHING?
As I've grown I realize he's the truth.
>feminist-shaming
why would you have to ruin a perfectly good thread like that
>implying the demiurge is anything other than yourself
Read him in chronological order. Not only it is time-worthy (Tolstoy has positively no weak texts), it also enables you to observe how his ethical and religious viewpoints were changing over time.
So I say go:
Childhood - Boyhood - Youth
The Cossacks
War and Peace
Anna Karenina
Resurrection
>loved the tough one, hated the gibberish one.
You mean you loved the good one but didn't properly approach the great one
Aeschylus - Sophocles - Euripides
Anyone got one for Aristotle?
Is this a good starting point for KSR?
>Finnegan's Wake
Euthyphro -> Apology -> Crito -> Phaedo -> Symposium -> Meno -> Ion -> Republic
->Laws -> Timaeus
Bump
Obnoxious, peachy book that could only come from a western new age hippy. Easy adventure reading though.
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Skip eastern canon, skip most religious texts except Bible, Quran and Bhagavad Gita, skip most of the matters and don't read recent publications.
Now you'll have time to live too.
Pewdiepie is going to read beyond good and evil
Ion isn't worth it, IMO.
I've only read his short prose. My opinion is invalid.
>mfw I started with The Republic
if plato were alive today he'd be preaching white guilt on tumblr
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good graph user
that's why we cant have nice things.
I don't think you understand why he's mocking you
Not the same guy, user.
>The second best thing you can do is fuck boys, but call it teaching them wisdom
>The best thing is, of course, philosophy
he's full of shit but I love reading him
Where should I start with Ezra Pound?
Apology>euthyphro>crito>phaedo>republic
I jumped right in with The Magic Mountain and it went well