Was Tolkien Ancap?

All the cool Catholics are monarchists.

His writing is good. Where does this retarded meme come from?

From our anti-Catholic upbringings

Tolkien confirmed on carnivore diet

I think I agree with the doctrine (at least the way Tolkien phrases it, kind of in the Kuehnelt-Leddihn/Hoppe vein of thought), but that's a shit name for it.

You can't have no arche and one arche at the same time.

Exactly, Tolkien, shit writer, defended best thing ever.

His politics is literally just the shire but countrywide

>the shire but countrywide

Sounds pleasant

In all honesty, Tolkien did have some issues as a writer. Of particular note was his pacing and structure issues. His prose is above-average and his mythopoeia is unrivaled. His thematic vision is clear and conveyed brilliantly. On a technical level, he has issues. As a total writer, he is above most.

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>I would arrest anyone who uses the word State

Stick to the children's fiction, John. Thinking things through obviously doesn't suit you.

Tolkien needs to be left in the past, go back to pol

yes you can tell because he never discusses tax policy

He got better with practice. The Return of the King is much better paced than The Fellowship of the Ring.

Name a comfier political ideology.

>ancap
No. He had anarchist inclinations, yes, but he didn't give a hoot in hell about capitalism.

He was sort of like Gandhi in that regard. A little bit of a primitivist

Possibly this as well. It would be interesting to do a study of Chesterton's likely influence on Tolkien

>Socialists
>Tree-murdering
Oh right, it was Communism that invented the paper industry. How could I forget?
AnCap is not the only Anarchist ideology. He sounds a lot like an Anarcho-primitivist, which is closer to Socialism.

>commies triggered this easily

>Tolkien being any sort of anarchist at all
How does one even come to this conclusion. The dude was basically a reactionary

Always empathized strongly with Tolkien over this, ever since I was a kid I've autistically bonded with specific trees and loved them in general

If Tolkien were alive today he would be antifa.

Nice bait.

It sounds more like he's trying to reconcile the present with an idealised view of the past. WWII changed a hell of a lot in Britain (Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy doing quite well to illustrate this shift), and a lot was lost never to come again.

>How does one even come to this conclusion

It might have something to do with the letter cited by the OP's picture where Tolkien says his political opinion lean towards anarchism but who knows where people come up with these crazy notions.

That's personal taste. Fellowship is my favourite. Perfect pastoral setting, that's somewhat lost further on. I was completely rewritten four times up to the council, so some discrepancies are left, but it gives it special charm nonetheless.

If he were alive today he'd be classed as a fascist by left-leaning liberals and lefties.

there's a study already on that. it's written by joseph pearce and also talks about cs lewis.

ITT:

He was an anarcho-luddite.

The breadsticks aren't free though

This is probably the best meme I've ever see because it encapsulates pretty well the difference between an actually "traditional" country and American conservatives.

>capitalist

no lmao, he hated capitalism, capitalism is an outgrowth of state power which is why 'anarcho capitalism' is a meme.

>primitivist

not really, he just didn't think that unfettered mass destruction in the name of producing a consumer society was a moral way of life. You can have social/spiritual/technological advancement without consumer capitalism.

>capitalism is an outgrowth of state power

Not if you consider the free exchange of personal property to be capitalism.

He might say that the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race?

did you ever get to the scouring of the shire bit? frodo and co. come back from destroying the ring and get all their hobbit friends and they murder a bunch of industrialists who took over the shire in their absence.

>he just didn't think that unfettered mass destruction in the name of producing a consumer society was a moral way of life.
>ends up creating and popularizing a gigantic piece of the consumerist market
>today his work is beloved by manchildren of all ages
What did he mean by this? I think the Geist is trying to tell us something here.

can't fault him for the manchildren thing. he wrote his books for children. he could never have imagined society getting to a point where grown men sit at home watching cartoons about ponies in between rounds of overwatch or some shit.

But LOTR is the start of all that.

One of my favorite moments of the books is Merry and Pippen rolling into town wearing their armor and not taking any shit after all they've been through. It's one of the reasons I don't like the movies because it doesn't have that character development. They're bumbling clowns the entire time.

his anarchism is bullshit. tolkien was a catholic reactionary who supported franco, airy dreaming of anarcho-monarchist (lol) utopias notwithstanding. he also hated capitalism, but from the right.

What in Christ's moist nuggets is wrong with her foot?

It appears to be deformed, milad.

By God, you're right.
Good eye chap.

>the franco supporter would be antifa

Veeky Forums does not understand politics at all outside of a modern us context.

That's not ancap at all, that's a common traditionalist conservative viewpoint.
What characterizes tradionalists is a refusal of abstraction in politics.

>supported Franco

/ourhobbit/

>can we please stop saying THE STATE
>can we please stop saying GOVERNMENT

i guess if tolkien were alive today he would be writing awful clickbait opinion pieces

>What characterizes tradionalists is a refusal of abstraction in politics.
Elaborate.

Feudal monarchy was a political system based entirely on interpersonal relationships, rather than abstract concepts like "the state", "the constitution" and so on.
Psychologist Robert Keegan identified several stages of development in kids, ending in adulthood in either what he calls the interpersonal stage or the institutional stage. He estimated that the population is split in about half in those stages.

Intepersonal people prefer close relations with a small community, institutional prefer the notions of identity and self-esteem, socialize in networks and so on.
Because the political and cultural elites are overwhelmingly institutional, they shaped the modern world to be so. Which is, according to Keegan, the reason why half the population feels disenfranchised by said world.

It of course, reflects in politics, interpersonal people favoring traditional (not necessarily right wing) forms of social organization that rely on people forming durable relations, like the vassal-liege relation.

>I once again killed a thread with Keeganposting

>Oh right, it was Communism that invented the paper industry. How could I forget?
In the 70s / 80s, communists in my country proposed the government to cut down every remaining parcels of broad-leaved tree european temperate forests to replace everything with north-american pines because it grows faster and is easier to maintain, and they actually managed to do it in entire areas
I assume this is what he was talking about

You'd have to be pretty dumb to use that definition. It implies you know history or anything beyond the surface level.

He was an extreme primitivist, he thought everyone should be in tune with nature. So he was a Catholic hippie I guess.

Which country?

>communists in my country proposed the government to cut down every remaining traditional european buildings to replace everything with commie-blocks because it grows faster and is easier to maintain, and they actually managed to do it in entire areas
Hits too close to home.

A weak in a soviet state would cure any would be commie in a heartbeat.

Anyway, Tolkien was truly interesting character. Go through his letters and you'll discover a complex and unique philosophy. He's only anarchist in a sense that he believes that God will eventually sort things out on his own, when everything is left without government. He's got nothing against absolute Monarchy, anointed kings and all that stuff. He is devoted Catholic, not completely accepting all the dogma as it goes, but still never doubting. He's English patriot. Screw Scotland, Wales and everything British kind of guy. At the same time, he's completely against English being world language. It pissed him to no end when Church cancelled Latin mass. He hates technology, thinks plains are the work of the devil, mass production is evil, and nuclear power closest think you can get to wielding ring of power.
>Well the first War of the Machines seems to be drawing to its final inconclusive chapter - leaving, alas, everyone the poorer, many bereaved and maimed and millions dead, and only one thing triumphant: the Machines, as the servants of the Machines are becoming a privileged class, the Machines are going to be enormously more powerful. What's their next move?
He defends the Jews and attacks racial outlook in a letter to his would be German publisher prior to ww2, at the same time he is proud of his German ancestry and has no qualms in caricaturing Jews as Dwarfs. He hates imperialism in any form, defends individualism, local languages, is a bit of a snob, and most of all, he is pro nature kind of guy.

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Sounds interesting. Where can I read more about this?

He was an atypical conservative

Mordor as upper left seems forced

If Sauron could be called anything it would be a socialist. He had an autistic obsession with controlling everything which would include the distribution or scarce resources.

Switch mordor and loth obviously and goblin town sounds lame as shit use gondor

underrated

chill out there leftypol

Sounds to me like he was Hoppean before Hoppe was even around

he seems more like a corporation than anything

Boring as fuck.

How can communists be guilty when communism has never been tried and communists have never existed?

why is the Italian wearing an ankh pendant

Tolkien knew all too well the dangers of the modern world.

I feel like that man on the left looks

wtf I love Tolkien now

What's really missing is a lot of literature and video recordings of the people of the soviet union, the party, the authorities etc all talking the marxist talk and how they're walking the walk.

This idea that it wasn't a legit attempt or they just did it wrong was clearly destroyed by Solzhenitsyn but millenials need to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak.

No, did you read Lord of the Rings? He cared too much about the environment to be an ancap. Ancaps are tragically shortsighted.

Shire is bottom left.

i hate it when capitalcucks retroactively redefine market activity that has been happening since the dawn of civilization as capitalism, and then also claim that capitalism emerged in Europe right before the industrial revolution.

>dat ass
definitely haram

my dick says halal, bro

Nah. They had a social hierarchy based on birth and valued private property.

its already been said but yeah he is an Anarcho-Monarchist with what i suspect are mystic christian and daoist leanings since both ideologies necessitate a benevolent uninvolved spiritual leader

The man was a saint

>you shouldn't ever do anything because people in the future will do things you didn't intend to happen

that was what the Founding Fathers thought as well

Did he write on rocks or something?

>unless you subscribe to the modern Leviathan State in some form, you are politically insane

Lord of the Rings is too long for stone tablets or for memorization.

Certainly they held family bonds and personal property
What in the shire was privatized?
Saruman was the dude talking about the fires of industry and so on. LOTR was quite popular with hippies back in their day, likely because our heroes are a bunch of idyllic live and let live hippie types

>What in the shire was privatized?

Have ye forgotten the silver spoons?

Literally nothing wrong with this

He was NAZBOL