What do you people think about the use of drugs to fuel creativity when writing?

They can give you a different perspective. I don't write but I'm learning Latin and was having trouble understanding a certain passage until I read it on lsd and it just clicked.

Are you frequently this incoherent?

Drugs remove fatigue in different ways. That is all they do. You can get just as much from enough sleep, good nutrition and light exercise. I say this as a former addict so I may be biased against drugs, if only because their limitations became glaring over time. I wish I had never tried them.

>You can get just as much from enough sleep, good nutrition and light exercise.
Not necessarily. There is no reward for abstaining. You just do or you don't.

Abstaining is your default setting. There are a ton of rewards (chemicals) for eating good food, sleeping and exercise. Don't be dense, your brain is designed to feel pleasure from its the thriving body. Drugs simulate the experience, they are pornographic essentially.

Um does this sound accurate:
You're riding a pink cloud and you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Best for writing short fiction. Use tolerance breaks. Avoid lapsing into recreational usage.

Its better to think of it as having different experiences and writing about those experiences

>Drugs remove fatigue in different ways. That is all they do.
you're doing the wrong drugs m8

I think it's a good argument. A stimulant removes the fatigue of having to censor yourself, etc. That kind of thing.

Um it sounds like some AA brainwash talk. God can't make you better. Living a healthy life will. Been off heroin for two years now.

Oh, okay. I mean I've done heroin too and it seems to me you're changing your long-term neurological structure to thrive off of pleasure which isn't necessarily pleasurable at all to a nervous system inherently. It's a distraction to some, an attachment, a transient background process, an impossible limit, etc.

I see where you're coming from though. If you're designed to just feel your body's own sensuality then, yeah, there's a lot you can implement, but for other kinds of addiction, it is somewhat of a meme for the self-improvement to result in necessary failure.

Well, I love Coleridge, and he was hooked on opium from an early age. But it's an insult to say that his creativity stemmed completely from drugs. He was influenced by many things: religion, love, politics, German idealism. It could stimulate someone's creativity, but relying on drugs alone is probably not a good idea (nor good for your health).

Failure to satisfy, failure to sustain. Failure to maintain.

Also, I think if you're young, and haven't obliterated your own nagging self-dialogue, it's over-stated the effects JP psychology will really have. That kind of improvement should be for older people, unless you're fucked (but I can empathize)

how can you be so sure of yourself

Maybe this is the junkie talking but I get the impression that consciousness is a reaction to pain and the absence of pain brings pleasure. Tangentially this is to me the big limitation of buddhism; remove suffering and you are left with pleasure, not nirvana.

It's good for having a new experience and putting on a new lens to see life in, but using it to drown out your problems isn't what they're for

I dont think the opium did anything but allow him to be prolific by taking away his fatigue.

Every writer has their own practice. Practice is only relevant on a personal level if you're an aspiring writer. It's completely irrelevant to the completed work.

Canonical writers who's practice either certainly or almost certainly involved drug use include Arthur Rimbaud, Hunter S Thompson, Audus Huxley, and Thomas Pynchon.

Modern writers including Tao Lin and Joshua Cohen do this too.

Because of social stigma, chances are that the number of famous writers who use(d) drugs in their practice is higher than most think.

Do it or don't OP. This thread is a waste of time.

You're right that pleasure is underrated in a way. Like how can anything that just feels so good be wrong? But I don't see Buddhism as having any limitation in that sense.
It's basically that longest way around is the shortest way home :^)
Just being unsure becomes too repetitious

Is there any frequent drug user who didn't age terribly?

I can't see psychedelic abuse resulting in physical aging, mental almost certainly. My brother works as a mental health counselor, says his worst cases come from sustained psychedelic abuse.

>It's basically that longest way around is the shortest way home :^)
Is that Tolkien? In the end, Freud came up with the death drive, like somehow..we were dead before we were alive..our cells latent and inanimate some instinct beyond the pleasure principle, to return to nothingness. Fuck, he is profound and all anyone can say is oh well we know better now.

NAME ONE GOOD WRITER WHO DIDN'T DRINK

Literally the guy who invented LSD lived to be 102 and was realstive active and lucid in compared to some 70 year olds. He took acid everyday fir like 50 years or so.

Using lab grade lsd therapeutically is not the same as abusing some bathtub phenethylamine.

you need to start doing real drugs, m8.

Certainly something to be wary of, the same as masturbating too much to pornography. I could go the rest of my life without recreational drugs, but I might not. I worry I abuse pornography. I worry I abuse food. I worry I oversleep.

you never wrote good asshole. everyone thinks their shit is great drunk

The state of worry, crisis mentality is central to the whole neurosis; i think it is a disdain for plateaus, this need for struggle and obsession with incompletion. An awareness of death and rejection of it. Swimming in the ocean is the only thing that really helps me and now i have moved 4 hours away. In my email inbox i have an order form for a lethal dose of nembutal.

He microdosed too

Don't listen to the devil. A little fame for a little part of your brain? I think not.

this is one of those thinly-veiled drug threads, isn't it
I'd love to know what that feels like but I only ever end up getting plastered or stoned out of my mind whenever I do drugs

It's the drugs...

Off the top of my head, Burroughs, DFW, Deleuze, Nietzsche, Junger, Huxley all did psyotropics while trying to write or think of ideas. Its a mixed experience I think, on acid if you're not somewhere safe like alone in the woods, or with your friends or in an apartment with neighbors you can trust not to call the police on you for going berserk then it can be perfect for letting loose a torrent of material to sift through later. If you are with parents, evil neighbors, awful friends, dangerous public place with police and bad people around or if severely mentally ill already it can be a stupid fucking idea that will cause permanent damage. I wouldn't reccomend most users here to take drugs while writing since most of you are low conscientiousness and stupid over emotive and all those wonderful dysgenic traits. Those of you who have ideal situations to get out of your minds in by all means it is extremely useful. Just remember every time you go under you're not the same again for better or worse, and you can't undo whatever alterations occur. People with resilient nervous systems, strong genes probably don't get as much from it nor does it put them at risk, others may be at a higher risk for long term side effects.
please swallow a bag of nails
this is simping nonsense, being on acid isn't anything like being well rested

is coffee an industrial chemical? idiot

LSD is literally a stimulant.

This. You're just trading drugs for pleasure in your work. You can release them naturally if you put the work into you're writing.

The bad trip is a myth. I took my largest dose of acid and it was peaking when police raided the house arrested everyone and killed the dog. The acid made everything a lot more fun and i was even joking with the booking officers. It is a stimulant, the idea that it is profound or mystic is due to the ridiculous jungian tendencies that were contemporary with its synthesis and popular use. Listen to the very early "garage" psychedelic punk music before Leary et al and you will note how it was a party drug plain and simple. If it is abused it will damage you like anything else. Exploring a forest while completely sober is a lot more conducive to developing creativity than lsd inebriation. I say this as a rainbow family kid who has done more acid than i can remember.

Both my parents were drug addicts. I measure most of my behaviors such as to not be like them. I feel I am predisposed to over indulge. At the same time I know the ascetic lifestyle isn't for me. I want more for my family moving forward.
How do you live? Your lifestyle that is, don't get existential on me.

It may inspire some kind of creative inspiration, but if you need to wait for inspiration to write then you need to get better at writing.

like saying being bipolar or schizophrenic would somehow make you an all star writer. which means bullshit logic. even hunter s thompson said drugs worked for him but he doesn't recommend them.

also go to any overseas asylum or medical prison row in the states (where we keep our distrurbed) and you'll see mental illness is not a gift. there are always outliers.

personally i think widespread adoption of even marijuana would be detrimental to society as a whole, not beneficial creatively. but smoke if you want, and i digress.

Depends on moderation and dependence. If you use drugs moderately and can write/create while being off of them, I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong.

pretty much this. just look at stories like Wolf Of Wall Streeet. That guy made millions coked out of his mind. But he was an outlier. There are probably thousands of derelict crackheads that can't even manage oral hygeine.

Hey whatever works

The average person shouldn't use drugs to fuel creativity in an ongoing manner. The occasional acid trip can be nice, getting drunk now and then allows you to get in touch with your baser instincts, but sustained use of most drugs destroys creative habits.

Caffeine and nicotine are alright though. Use lots of those.

I say nay, you'll just end up writing the LOTR

Drugs certainly do unleash your creative subconscious but it has crippling side effects
there are some mental trainings that will do the same although they take more effort
don't take the easy path

oh my god just please fucking stop
you're not a fucking psychologist or a psychiatrist, ok?
fuck off.

I'm an author and this method works for me
you're free to ignore my suggestion if you disagree