Why haven't you read this literary achievement?

But is it prose?
No?
Then it's not a "novel."

its def got prose

Watchmen is one of the most significant texts, as far as the progression of writing and theory about writing goes. It's also a great joy to read.

Biblio as heck

>read

>he only watched the animated film or the zach snyder film
can you even read??

I do read.
I don't look at picture books and pretend it's literature.

t. pseud

I bet you said the same thing about Maus.

I love Watchmen to death, one of my all time favourite reads. I don't consider it literature, though it has literary merit and it would be of interest to most people on Veeky Forums I think, but this is a trivial discussion.

I do feel sorry for the film though, I was very dissapointed about it(what was I thinking) and it changed the way people saw Watchmen altogether, it was never the same to discuss it with other people. Not to mention the comic sequels prequels whatever which I refuse to read.

The movie is very good at portraying something of the face value of Watchmen, some scenes are very similar, dialogue is reused and so on, but it misses all the subtleties, all of the interesting things about how the story is told. Some of the "references" are so forced into the story it disgusts me, I hate the fucking opening which most people love, precisely because it is pretty and it disguises well that it is totally dumb. We are left with some more capeshit movie, but more serious.

I never read Watchmen as a superhero story at all, I think that's just how it dresses up to present itself to us, taking a ride on the fact that hero stories also use of the same format, even the same oldschool colors. What I think is most interesting is the quality of the narrative, not only because of great characters and plot, good development, etc, but because this development is achieved by several routes at once, they complement each other. There is the story in the comic, but each character gives a piece of what's going on from their position, no single character knows it all or is aware of what the other character is thinking, they assume things of each other and are wrong several times. Besides that, you get police reports, a fictitious biographic book, interviews, even a briefing for advertising campaign or the comic inside the comic and they all help in telling the story. And of course, the very art is bound by the writing, they work together at all times and there are repeating images, some very subtle, that help create the environment for the story to unfold. Everything breathes with life in it.

I have and love it
haven't read any other alan moore though, what do you think is the next one to go to?

I did my final book report on it in 8th grade and got away with it.

The art style sucks

V for Vendetta

Yea, It's realy a nice book.
Rosch is one of the coolest characters too, his obsecion with truth and justice, mixed with his background realy makes him a treat.

it's actually pretty good user

We all have you assuming fuck!!

I only read philosophy and light novels.

Rorschach is just a rip-off of Ditko's "Mr. A"

You sucks

Because the movie is far superior.

Not a rip-off, a deliberate jab at Ditko and his black-and-white worldview.

>It has to be a novel to be a "literary achievement"

I just finished rereading this actually. I think I enjoy it more every time. I love the trick of switching between two different "shots"/locations in which the dialogue from one is relevant to the image of the other (i.e. the pirate story). It fully explores its medium in a way that really makes it come to life.

>I do read.
Then read about semiotics and hermeneutics, you pseud.

This. It's great. Then go the League route.

I hate the movie so much. Now every time anyone wants to discuss the comic, dipshits who've only seen the film will post and then act like their opinion on a film is somehow relevant to a thread about a comic book. I am aware of the irony.
>I hate the fucking opening which most people love
You mean the part where it plays Bob Dylan's The Times They Are a-Changin'? It's cheesy, but it's probably the only good part in the whole fucking movie. I should have just turned it off after that, then I wouldn't have had to see a color desaturated Carla Gugino in fake old people makeup (pic related).

The intro is the best part. I like the film ---even though it lacks the comicbook substance--- because I allow myself to be a pleb with action movies, but that scene is pure fucking cinema. It showcases the prowess that Snyder has with cinematic language. If only he'd stick to original films. The John segment is awesome too.

I read Watchmen as a kid and it had a big effect on me. Always looked out for a cape comic that gave me the same feeling but I could never find it. Some literature has, maybe that means something.

Anyone on Veeky Forums have any idea what's good in comics? I've tried lurking /co/ before but they are pretty obsessed with the big names and new stuff that is pretty garbage.

I'm a pretty newbie at comics and /co/ intimidates me a lot since it all looks like tumblr stuff or childrens cartoons, but I have been watching this yt channel and its pretty insightful
youtube.com/channel/UC1ZtauWih38Lr1aVEXuZybw/videos
youtube.com/watch?v=-dPQIQoy9u8
bonus is that it's pretty much german ASMR that will make you fall asleep easily

(checked)
links for lazy:

Intro:
youtube.com/watch?v=h24D87SqaLQ
Dr. Manhattan:
youtube.com/watch?v=o4vfhrDylUQ

I know it's stupid to complain about voices in adaptions, but I don't like who they got to do Dr. Manhattan. After he transformed, I wish they had dubbed him with someone like Martian Manhunter from Justice League. Also, Rorschach sounding like Batman was absolutely retarded.

Martian Manhunter voice:
youtube.com/watch?v=QZV4EL5wjC4

I dislike the intro because people like it, though not because I'm a contrarian, but because there is something to like about it and something which is phony and shit which I think people overlook because they like the other things. Some of the small scenes are great, the slowmo is "cool" and the song is obviously a great song. But then you have edgy shit like the the flower in the gun and then shoot (I know it's a reference to two events and so on), or that reference to the Last Supper which is totally uncalled and if you look deep into it, it means absolutely nothing. Not only that, but having the characters pose that way makes the whole thing more theatrical, as if they were faking who they are within the movie. I think some of the things people like about the movie or the opening (it's a common opinion to not like the movie but like the opening) come with the sacrifice of better more important things that made Watchmen an integral work.

Yeah, his voice was way too soft for that body and big blue cock. I liked Rorschach's voice, though I'd preffer it a little softer. He should come off as a tryhard psycho, not Tom Waits.

Try Paper Girls. It's good fun. Alex Alice's work is genius from an art-work perspective. So is Craig Thomson's.

I mean, if you want to just speak in terms of "genre fiction", if you were to stack this graphic novel against most genre-fiction novels, Watchmen would probably be top 5 on that list.

After reading so many literary fiction and philosophy, I have kind of grown past Alan Moore's themes in this, but just through a pure characterization and motif standpoint this shit is pure fucking art. The depth of every character and just how well balanced the plot and story is able to cover all these characters really drives this piece of work home, he does a remarkable job in such a short span of plot, which I would honestly say is not very common in Literature.

Inarguably the best scene from the film.
youtube.com/watch?v=3HN4Vmfcfm0

I have. It's pretty good.

I like the majority of Alan Moore's other work, most especially League and all the related titles (Nemo trilogy, etc). His Swamp Thing is very interesting because it's an obvious monthly but with the skill of Moore and it fucks with you just holding something in your hands that you know should be much worse than it is.

Also try Xenozoic by Mark Schultz, it's unfinished and available in a single collection. The first half isn't great but it warms up and is some of the most solid adventure stories I've ever read.

SCUD the disposal assassin is pure genuis, get the whole shebang and be impressed.

Finally Asterios Polyp. Pure masterclass in comic story telling, and my number 1 rec for anyone seeking a brilliantly done story.

I don't think the movie is that bad. It doesn't do what the comic book does, but a comic book couldn't do all that a film does. It was bound to achieve different things, and as a film that wants to tell a alt-history superpeople mystery story that is sexy looking I think it does that well. it's the best Moore adaptation, and the best super hero movie I think. But super hero movies are gay as shit, so that's not a dazzling commendation.

>films and comics are different mediums and therefore do different things
What a profound observation! It does not, however, justify the film being simultaneously an insult to the original work and to cinematography as whole.

I don't think it is as big an insult as you think it is, is my point.

Greatest comic ever written

love the book and have read it several times. this thread encouraged me to sign up for a class next term that's going over it.
v excited

>but that scene is pure fucking cinema

watch more movies pleb

From Hell
some of his short stories are pretty comfy

The movie got the tone of teh story completely wrong in my opinion. It just never sat right with me. I haven't watched it in a few years though so maybe I'll give it another go soon.

>The movie got the tone of teh story completely wrong in my opinion.
Yeah no fucking shit. Like when it plays 'Ride of the Valkyries' during the Vietnam war sequence. LIKE, DO FUCKING GET IT!?!?!?! CAUSE THEY DID PLAYED THAT SONG IN "APOCALYPSE NOW"!!! AND THAT FILM WAS SET IN VIETNAM!!!!!!!!!! ITS SO AMAZING HOW THROUGH THE MAGIC OF CINEMA, WE HAVE TRANSFORMED ONE OF IF NOT THE GREATEST COMIC OF ALL TIME INTO A FUCKING CARTOON PARODY MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=LhKp72c6xCY

How do we feel about Doomsday Clock so far? I like it and am enjoying it in some cases but it feels largely unnecessary. Mime and Marionette are a fun couple but it's nice just to imagine this as some kind of Elseworld book.

I have, i grabbed a copy from dad. He has one left tho so calm your tits

>Doomsday Clock
can't believe you are honestly asking about this

Is this a collage for ants!?

Didn't realise that was a thing until now. Looks like a sham to bring the popular Watchmen characters into the mainline DC continuity just in time for the HBO series. Continuity in comics is extremely lame, and why they are probably at an all time low. How many times have Superman and Batman 'died' only to be brought back? You obviously can't kill off these eternal characters and the more you do it as a marketing technique the more tired it will get. The same for all these crazy events about the universe shattering and everything going to shit. If the Big 2 stopped publishing tomorrow the comics industry would be in a better place.

You may not like it, but it's true. Snyder is top tier in visual literacy. He may be retarded in anything else, but visual storytelling his his fort. He'd be unstopable if he were not a manchild

Also:
>watch more movies pleb
Watching movies means nothing when you don't delve into film theory.

TL;DR: Read more books.

Maus sucks

t. comics enthusiast

I adore dissonance in this panel

>You may not like it, but it's true. Snyder is top tier in visual literacy. He may be retarded in anything else, but visual storytelling his his fort. He'd be unstopable if he were not a manchild

Snyder as auteur is a /tv/ meme, just to fill you in bro.