The book of our time

>barak

transparent shill is transparent

desu I always see it posted here as a joke but I've never read it. Could someone who has actually read it tell me what they thought of it/if it was worth the read?

I liked it, less focused on Veeky Forums than I thought it would be. She's calling out SJW's as much as /pol/ boogeymen. I found it rather accurate.

There was a goddamn pdf of that book posted in one of those threads I can fucking SEE you, kantbot! and I managed to devour the whole thing in a single night. If you have even a cursory knowledge of everything in it, it's super-easy to read.

The research methodology was basically "skim the Veeky Forums wiki and knowyourmeme." If you've been here more than a few years, you'll gain nothing from reading it.

The author's only contribution is an argument that transgression for transgression's sake is bad, which is only loosely connected to the rest of her book.

Unironically at the top of my to-read list.

>inb4 kantbot posts the link to his magazine article

fuck off you fucking faggots

They know less about Veeky Forums than I do, so I don't see the interest in reading this.

she probably browses Veeky Forums, she agrees with us in a lot of stuff, pic related was literally a thread here 2 or 3 days ago
twitter.com/AngNagle/status/971077587211571201

who the chinaman? is it really worth advertising to the 20 people browsing Veeky Forums? i'll think about it if i decide to write a shitposting book at some point

Fuck, I know a girl who dresses like that and the daddy bit is accurate.

>If you've been here more than a few years,
Oh it is, we are not its targeted audience.

But she probably did more than 'skim the Veeky Forums wiki and knowyourmeme.' since she was able to pick up how memes transform or evlove over time

You gain an opportunity to view Veeky Forums through the lens of a person who isn't inundiated in it's culture.

Tao Lin, I assume

It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was. I read it in a day while I was at work and even considered buying it, even if only digitally. I didn't end up buying it, and you won't either, but it was a quick, fairly enjoyable read.

Angela is /ourgirl/

Good anti-idpol left politics. She understands the different currents of the alt-right and doesn't drop in the kneejerk denunciation of them as all monsters that is practically a requirement in mainstream analysis. She spends a fair chunk of the book lambasting the Tumblr-radical-liberal subculture and blames it in part for the rise of the alt-right. She recognises the predicament young, white, mostly middle-class men face in the form of the changing sexual marketplace (in a podcast she even cited Houellebecq's vision as having some degree of accuracy) and the rise of an ultra-individualist culture based on the construction of the self into a commodity in which, umm, sweetie, being a PoC or a queer or non-binary is infinitely cooler and therefore more marketable than being an OPPRESSOR.

When the book was published she got fucking slammed by these Tumblr-liberal wankers just like Mark Fisher did when he wrote "Exiting the Vampire Castle". And indeed, if Nagle committed suicide I'm sure the same bile-spitting, navel-gazing idiots would be dropping approving tweets about her demise. It's the best book ever written about contemporary internet subcultures.

>It's the best book ever written about contemporary internet subcultures.
I liked her but come on, she focused too narrowly on Veeky Forums's political nature for it to the 'best' book.

the bar is that low

In other words: the book is going to have zero influence on the left. In fact, it's going to have less than zero influence and the value is going to keep becoming more and more negative as time goes on.

Damn, touche

at some point the current left will become uncool and then the old left may have a chance if they have a few people well situated on the internet to take the torch

only brocialists talk about that book
is angela a mtf?

she's a big girl

more like ftm

>at some point the current left will become uncool
The current left is already "uncool" as in "not edgy". They don't hold power within the left because they're cool or anything, they hold power because the old left caves to them at every turn and it's necessarily going to have to do that eternally because the left is fundamentally about power struggles and empowering those who are perceived to be weaker.
This creates a dynamic where as long as there is any group of people that can be construed as a minority, a victim and so on, anyone in the left that does not pander to them is going to be lower of the hierarchy of morality than someone who does pander to them. As "worker" is considered less of a minority/victim than someone who is gay or black or anything of the sort (because black worker is worse than white worker and gay worker...you get the gist), anyone who is for the primacy of proletariat struggle will inevitably get the backseat.

>join the manosphere
what a fucking cryptofash cunt

>old left caves to them at every turn
The fuck about you talking about? The 'old left' got wiped out in America by two Red Scares to even matter.

A) america isn't the entirety of the first world B) even then I'm talking about current dynamics: people who claim to be old left are extremely quick to cave in to id-pol left demands about inclusiveness concerning any sort of archetypal panda

keep pushing, she'll be ours soon

Europe is feeling the some form of resurgence of the old left ala Melenchon and Corbyn.

>are extremely quick to cave in to id-pol left demands
The line between accommodating them and letting them take over is thin, but I only see the former not the latter happening.

>Europe is feeling the some form of resurgence of the old left ala Melenchon and Corbyn.
Corbyn panders to idpol sentiment like there's no tomorrow and Melenchon is basically irrelevant.

corbyn will be a trainwreck, whether he wins or not, NiceRx is unstoppable and it will happen sooner or later

the uk is a timebomb anyway as soon as the muslim voting block gets big enough

>panders to idpol sentiment
How? I don't understand why you are treating any interaction of idpol, big or small as innately toxic. And Melenchon suddenly gained a bigger vote share then before so the momentum is still there.

>said increasingly nervous Toryboy for the 10th time

I told you she's alt-right

>>said increasingly nervous Toryboy for the 10th time
not even a bong, just watching the fireworks from afar

Yea okay Moggposter, whatever you say

>How?
For example, the recent thing with the l i-hate-all-white-people black transexual.
>why you are treating any interaction of idpol
Because it prevents the left from being menacing and I want a menacing left. I don't want a left who is basically a bunch of cat ladies and deviants who are as sensitive as victorian women.

Angela is my waifu

>ywn have her stroke your hair and whisper lilting celtic sweet-nothings

>ywm be womanhandled by a 6' irish valkyrie like the trash you are

The Gender Recognition thing? Again how is that letting idpol take over his politics?

>I want a menacing left.
If you want to LARP, go ahead and be a tankie. Any 21st century leftism has to take the good parts from New Left and Old Left to illustrate that identity politics is an expression of class warfare, with the former subservient to the latter. Corbyn is sort of doing that.

Finally I get what Leopold Bloom was on about.

>with the former subservient to the latter
Literally can't happen if those belonging in the former category are more oppressed than those belonging just to the latter one.
Look, just get ready for a Corbyn who is going to be indistinguishable in practice from rad-libs.

>doesn't drop in the kneejerk denunciation of them as all monsters that is practically a requirement in mainstream analysis
poor literal white nationalists and fascists don't deserve denunciation, only a little love and understanding

>Tumblr-radical-liberal subculture and blames it in part for the rise of the alt-right
outstanding analysis, that explains everything

Love this, keep at it.

>former category are more oppressed than those belonging just to the latter one.
That is a) disputable b) implying that both catergories are mutually exclusive. They are not

>Corbyn who is going to be indistinguishable in practice from rad-libs
Considering how his critics are those rad-libs themselves, no. That is not even considering McDonell . I will concede that if he becomes PM, his liberal policies will receive less resistance than his leftist policies.

won't Corbyn even if he wins and has good ideas just be cucked by the women and brown people in his party? doesn't seem like he has any defense if he gets accused of being islamophobic or a sexist at some point

>That is a) disputable
Only if you're privileged.
>Considering how his critics are those rad-libs themselves, no
His main critics are right wingers, you dummie. If he gets into power, who do you think rad libs are going to infiltrate and subvert? The tories? But anyway, I'm not the one who's going to be sad in a few years so let's just agree to disagree.

Some 21 year-old college dropout who feels put-upon and alienated watches a Jared Taylor video. Instead of politely explaining to him that those views are mistaken, you doxx him, get him sacked from his Walmart job, contact his family calling him a Nazi and fuck him up for life. Your buddies on Twitter would *nod respectfully* and #slaaaaykween. The alt-right is single-handedly defeated. The efficacy of stridently denouncing anyone who strays towards the alt-right has of course proven highly effective. That's why 2016 went so well.

>that explains everything
What part of "in part" don't you understand? It's a contributing factor in the same way that the manosphere, the old right (Jared Taylor), the European Nouvelle Droite, /pol/ and so many others played a role in the development of the subculture.

>women and brown people
So you don't know much about him do you? If anything his internal resistance would be the Blairites.

>sexist and islamphobic
They can't since he is pushing those social issues already. There was some incident where some tried to call him homophobe only to get BTFO when his political history was reiterated to them. You can be for liberalism but not for liberals you know

>the European Nouvelle Droite
alain de benoist literally voted for melenchon (a communist) in the last elections

de benoist and the nouvelle droite sucks m8

You shut your fucking mouth.

>manosphere, the old right (Jared Taylor), the European Nouvelle Droite, /pol/ and so many others played a role in the development of the subculture.
is that in the book or it's you that's bringing it up?

>get BTFO when his political history was reiterated to them.
please talk more about this

>So you don't know much about him do you? If anything his internal resistance would be the Blairites.
that's not how things work when it comes to getting a piece of the cake of power, then it's when coalitions start eating each other even if they went hand in hand until then

>They can't since he is pushing those social issues already.
you can always ask for more and sooner, that's no defense

>There was some incident where some tried to call him homophobe only to get BTFO when his political history was reiterated to them
that works now when supporting Corbyn is strategically solid and has no power and you can use him as a spearhead to get in, as soon as it comes to take a piece from the cake we will see how easy it is to share actual power.

In the book, although I'm not sure if she mentions the Nouvelle Droite. Even Nick Land is mentioned briefly, as a description of a particular current in the alt-right rather than an influence.

Going to comment on the earlier point? Come on, you know as well I do that public shaming is a foolproof tactic with a fantastic contemporary record of success.

the future of the republican party is trumpian nationalism that dont give a fug what the media or libtards think.

The future of the democratic party is bernie sanders style democratic socialism.
The center is dead. It died because of too many wars and economic crashes.

There can be made a case that the rise of the alt right was a reaction to the hyper identity politics of the so called social justice warrior.
Liberals werent always like this. They were jon stewart. They were the cool kid in class. Then something happened, something shifted. I want to say somewhere after the failure of occupy wall street. The liberal transforms into this weird fun house mirror universe version of itself. Turns into a moral police. Safe spaces, privilege, microagressions. The whole deal.

They start to shove politcs into everything. They start screeching about white privilege. They distinctly lack any class consciousness.

Poor white guy living paycheck to paycheck and addicted to xanax?

BETTER SHREK YOUR FUCKING PRIVVLAGE

So you have this group of people with this psychotic moral elitism, but since they are neoliberal they also bail out banks and fuck over poor people.

So the reaction to these creatures manifests in two ways. Trump and sanders.

Nazis and commies.

Why, why did all of this happen.

We just wanted to fucking play video games with tits and explosions.

>Instead of politely explaining to him that those views are mistaken
Which you can't do. "it's poverty" or "it's discrimination" are the left's answers to what he's going to see in those videos and they're piss poor answers. Not that the left would know that since they're woefully ignorant of fringe right arguments.
The guy you're replying to has a much better tactic: don't engage in arguments, you'd lose, just shut down everything and destroy reputations, that works extremely well.

>privileged
You really gonna play that card?

>His main critics are right wingers, you dummie. If he gets into power, who do you think rad libs are going to infiltrate and subvert? The tories? But anyway, I'm not the one who's going to be sad in a few years so let's just agree to disagree.
Dumbass the Guardian and Statesman shit on him too. Go find that LSE's media bias on him.

Actually the rad-lib want to create a new centrist party from Blarites, wet Tories and lib Dems rather than infiltrate anything. They already did that to Labour but are getting push out as we speak

>There can be made a case that the rise of the alt right was a reaction to the hyper identity politics of the so called social justice warrior.
the left did all the work to create the box called "white", the alt-right only had to change the label "bad" to "good", but the left did all the work reifying that category in the US

>You really gonna play that card?
I'm not, it's an example of what they can do.
As for the rest, this guy is right

Ahaha oh wow you don't know shit about UK do you?

The rad libs are already shiting on him even before he became Opposition Leader. They are already do those things you mentioned to him even before he obtaining. And he is still warding them off solely coz he is for liberalism. Your theoretical prediction of the people who you hate are sadly wrong

great more newfags to flood this cesspool

Retarded garbage for imbecilic loners that think maymays and shitposting are peak political discourse all the while viewing the world through the double opaque spectrum of autism and too many vidya.

>you'd lose

Go on, explain Spengler to me tough guy. Explain why despite the existence of racial outliers on IQ tests, a Jamaican with 115 IQ would not be admitted into a white ethno-state. Explain to me why racial segregation in church congressions is the product of a primordial, unconscious desire to be separated from black or white people and not two hundred years of segregated, parallel development of small religious communities (and the fact that the government didn't directly overturn segregation as they did with schools).

You don't understand the left's arguments if you think "it's poverty" or "it's discrimination" are what socialism is about. Capitalism's inherent tendency to crisis, the extraction of surplus value from labour and the endlessly totalising process of commodity fetishism are what socialism is about. But that's troublesome, of course, because you might have to read something longer than a /pol/ infographic (however informative they can indeed be).

>a Jamaican with 115 IQ would not be admitted into a white ethno-state
Because he's not white? It's call an "ehno-state" as in "ethnically homogeneous state" which means it takes measures to prevent people not from the main ethnicity to gaining access to itself. This isn't difficult stuff, I don't understand why you would find this difficult to understand.
>racial segregation
Infants show racial preferences as soon as we can understand their preferences for anything. If you don't have a government/society telling you that's bad and forbidding you from acting upon it, you get segregated societies.
>"it's poverty" or "it's discrimination"
I know what socialism is, I never said the left arguments for socialism are "it's poverty or it's discrimination", I was referring to Jared Taylor videos, which you mentioned in your example.
Those are the left answers to race differences in behavioral and psychological traits which is mainly what amren videos are about (either directly or indirectly). You went on talking about what socialism is about but Jared Taylor videos aren't about socialism, or at least almost never. If a kid is going to see a video of his, the facts that are going to pop out are racial differences in crime and IQ. The answer to those facts by the left are precisely "discrimination and poverty". Those are really bad objections for reasons that have been outlined in fringe right groups for years and years. The left is almost completely unaware of that.

>Regression to the mean
>Formation of racial voting blocs
>Effects on social cohesion
>Reduces the trust level in society
>Effects on wages from importing foreign labor
>Government policy based on appeasing foreigners

They've got tons of talking points on the Thomas Sowell "based black" question. Having the "based black" being a foreigner has even more rebuttals. They're typically also suspicious of capitalism, socialism, materialism, liberalism, and secularism because they think it's all a racket run by kikes.

The left also doesn't have anyone that articulates economic arguments anymore because (in the U.S. at least) it's solely a movement based around appeasing blacks, latinx and sexual degenerates. Trump is in the process of stealing the working class because the right is now pushing for shit like tariffs & infrastructure spending while cheerleading the shit out of the working class.

>latinx
I keep seeing this everywhere, someone explain. I assume its a gender thing, but I hope Im wrong

it is

latino - men
latina - women
latinx - everything i guess

it's some kind of gender meme that they tried to spread in Latin America and Spain, but we have an academy of the spanish language who told them that they are plebs and to go away be plebs somewhere else, so they instead brought the meme into the US because you guys fall for anything and have nobody to take care of your language

I am not American my friend, thank you for the answer though.

I agree that it is the best analysis of politics of Veeky Forums, but that speaks to the poverty of contemporary analysis, rather than the quality of Kill All Normies.

Nagle is great though, and I think she’s just getting started in terms of writing good shit.

she seems tired of internet shit and more interested in soft lefty stuff like public transportation or cheap rent, so not sure if she will follow up with more stuff about the internet and soft-theory or if she will just become a boring run-of-the-mill old leftist journalist, let's see

>surplus value
Ah, I see you're retarded. Move along lads.

It didn’t happen in 2011, you just started to notice it.
It started in the 80s, that’s when capital dropped the gloves on labour and re-asserted its dominance. That’s when the Marxist left starts to retreat both academically, and in organizational movements, and with 1989 it collapsed entirely.

One other underlying thread is that from the late 60s on women and ethnic minorities increasingly were able to get into academia, but it was still basically only women, lgbt, minorities from fairly well off backgrounds, so two decades later, the new wave that these scholars are bringing in women’s studies, queer studies, postcolonial studies etc, is extremely bourgeois. It’s upper middle class women who think they speak on behave of all women. By the 80s as labour is being crushed this generation if scholars is ascendant. In 1986 Marxist scholar Ellen Wood wrote ‘The Retreat From Class’, commenting on how new left academics were totally abandoning any sort of materialist, economic focuses analysis in exchange for a ‘cultural turn’, a politics completely focused on ‘superstructural’ aspects, with no relation to its economic ‘base’.

Anarchism became the dominate radical left politics, but because it is totally idealistic (as opposed to materialistic, rather than “realist”) it’s analysis relies on moralisms, and a built in impotency. Occupy is an example of the failure of that left to be able to capitlaize in popular support.

German - men
Gerwomen - women
Germx - everything i guess

german is alemán in spanish though, so

alemán
alemana
alemanx - i guess or something like that, i'm not an expert in meme language

But that’s the whole thing with the left. When your entire politics is ‘women’s oppression’, ‘black liberation’, and getting trans people gender neutral bathrooms you don’t have anything which everybody feels they will benefit from investing into the fight on.

Issues of public transportation, rent, water, healthcare, union fights, minimum wage, lead in public housing etc, those are quintessentially left issues which the left has forgotten about when it made the cultural turn. Accessible public transportation is vastly more important to the daily life of the average poor black woman than the number of black people there are per movie per year, and it’s only because there is no “intersectional” proletarian movement that people retreat into brand identification and cultural representation as a substitution for real politics.

If the left is going to gain a footings again, it’s going to be on local issues, and it’s going to be on ‘universal’ issues. Women’s groups, black groups etc need to be part of that process so that they aren’t neglected, but there needs to be coalition building across all these groups on specific material fronts, not just sloganizing. Like what the fuck does it actually mean to “smash the patriarchy”, ask anybody who says this to describe concrete steps towards that goal or what a world after patriarchy would look like, and always it’s described in negative terms ‘without this, without that’, there is no real positive vision, just remove the stuff that causes me problems and everything else is basically the same.

It’s the leftists who can say ‘we are working towards everybody having access to clean water, cheap and accessible public transportation, housing that is affordable, medical care etc, and this is how we plan to do it’ that’s a vision of positive politics.

>If you don't have a government/society telling you that's bad and forbidding you from acting upon it, you get segregated societies.

The government itself imposed segregation, preferences and full-blown denial of civil rights are radically different

Here is another Leftist / Cultural Marxist trying to write about (or rather shit on) the Right. His scope is much wider than Nagle's and he even manages to shoehorn Thomas Ligotti into the Neoreaction. Both authors are equally hippocrits and liars as you would expect from the left, but you can't deny them a certain entertainment value

does he speak about Land? sounds interesting even if he is just writing tactically instead of honestly like the left usually does

Ready Player One for Veeky Forums.

>does he speak about Land?
yes. Just get it at B–OK

>he even manages to shoehorn Thomas Ligotti into the Neoreaction
what the fuck? why is he offending papa ligotti like that

>believing the cultural marxist meme

but the left is openly subversive, it's not a conspiracy if you openly state your goals, it's just what you do

I keep running into this book when I search on goodreads or amazon for the shitpost book written by an user from here or /b/, the author was something like "nigger mctittyfuck" or something. I really wanna find it, please help

even when from todays leftist viewpoint Adorno probably would qualfify as a right winger, he laid the ideologial groundwork for their destruction work

t. mr. jazz-is-fascist

is the left just jelly that neoreactionaries are more materialist than them?