Republic

Ia this any good for a politcs brainlet ?

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yes

eh, it's all over the place. The problem with asking this question is that depending on your own political beliefs you will respond with wildly different answers about who actually explains politics properly.

There is no way to reconcile the beliefs of Carlyle and Marx, it is simply impossible, so all you can do is read both and try to understand where they were coming from, which requires a grasp of history.

So you have to read a bunch of history really, before getting to politics.

It's not a book on politics and it's not called the republic

The what is it called?

Πολιτεία, Politeia. The book is indeed a classic of political philosophy, but it spends more time talking about education and the soul.

what is it a book about and what is it called then user?

Thanks user.

The word πολιτεία means the structure, the order, the kόσμος of the πόλις, not the πόλις itself.
Even if the work were called πόλις, it is still, I believe, an untranslatable word, not even as res publica, which already does not grasp the essence of the Greek "community" between men according to friendship and their nature which manifests itself in the πόλις.
So, Politeia is something radically different from the mere "Republic"

And it is, as all Plato's works, not a "book of philosophy", a "philosophical work", but simply his exoteric work, something which is not φιλοσοφία, but a reminder of it, with purpose of παιδαγογία and omen.

First thanks user.

Second, friendship has a kind of different meaning for the greek? And if is that so it is this why in the begging Plato says that justice is somewhat "doing what is good for friends and bad for enemies" ?

what a pedantic faggot

Friendship, φιλία, is something very different for the greeks indeed. It is not just "person a and b like spending time with each other", but, to say it shortly, one of the driving forces, an elevated and less manic form of Έρος, for some presocratics literally The force in the universe.
You can also see in the word φιλοσοφία, that φιλιά (friendship, love) is an essential part of philosophy itself. Philosophy is a love and a friendship with "the Wise"

That's in book 1 right? It is widely regarded that book 1 belongs to Plato's earlier works, different from the rest of Πολιτεία. It ends with an απορία and has simple dialectics. None of what is said should be taken as "what Plato thought" or "Plato's philosophy", also for reasons I explained in the previous post

>something which is not φιλοσοφία
Absolutely wrong user

>Second, friendship has a kind of different meaning for the greek?
Many words which are translated to friendship and many meanings, yes. Aristotle's Ethics talk a lot about friendship.
>why in the begging Plato says that justice is somewhat "doing what is good for friends and bad for enemies" ?
To refute said notion, and make justice an internal development into harmony and reason of individual souls, which proceed to make the society just as naturally harmonious and rational, it's not enough to find friends and do good things to them, Good is the priority in all things in the ideal form of government.
You are. Plato despises writing. He talks about it in the Republic but much more in the Phaedrus.

fucking faggot, off yourself you massive fucking pseud

Thanks again guy you are all really prestative

>You are. Plato despises writing. He talks about it in the Republic but much more in the Phaedrus.
Isn't that an oversimplification? Socrates seems to despise writing, but Plato can't stop writing! The critique in the Phaedrus gets at some of what must be Plato's concerns with writing, knowing who to speak to, who not to speak to, and what to say to everyone at their own level of understanding. But presumably, the dialogues are, if not successful, attempts to work out what that perfect writing would be.

>You are. Plato despises writing. He talks about it in the Republic but much more in the Phaedrus.
I know. But he still wrote. That's why he called it "philo-sophia" and not just "sophia". The written word implies a separation from the spoken logos of Greek dialectics.

>The written word implies a separation from the spoken logos of Greek dialectics.
You're going to have to explain that one.

Socrates wasn't into writing, Plato clearly was. And even so, in the phaedro Socrates actually defends good writing as long as it isn't bullshit asskissing or taking its validity for granted just because it's written