I realized I was trans a few months ago...

Dr Goldbergshoawitz I presume?

bls post bp

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im saving it for someone special

Orlando by Virgina Woolf

Oh cmon ya'll aren't subhuman. A person good and peaceful person is a good and peaceful person, simple as that

haha well meme'd my friend ;)

I would bet money that you're correct on the "style" of name.

How did you come to that conclusion?
Epistemically it's puzzling to me. Do you think you would have been convinced of this being the case if it hadn't been offered to you as a legitimate way forward?

Look at post-op satisfaction surveys. Look at post-op suicide rates compared to those who don't transition. If you find compelling evidence that the grass is greener, do what you will. But I think you will be closer to happy if you simply cross-dress and present as a woman.

Literally no one wants to fuck a fake, mutilated pussy. No one. But a lot of people what to fuck someone with a dick.

Felt fucked up and disconnected from my body all my life, but wasn't very intrusive. Around the time when my secondary sex characteristics came in was when it started to get horrible. I was never able to look at any part of me, since I was maybe 10. Meeting a trans person I wondered if what I was feeling was in any way related to my gender or sex characteristics. I pondered for months and after realizing the comfort I got simply even imagining myself not as a guy I realized that yes, it had to do with my gender.

Whether or not you get the surgery, you're still transitioning. Anyways, I don't plan on getting it ever. It doesn't seem worth it. What you said is what I'm going to do.

Read David Hume and realise personal identity is an illusion and there is no true authentic self to which you can attempt to live honestly. Your feeling are as temporary as your sense of self is temporary like. Your doctors have ideological reasons for diagnosing you as they have.
You are finding permanent solutions to temporary problems

go eat meat and lift weights before youre too far gone

Read pic related and stop eating and drinking soy products immediately

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a great argument for not transitioning

>Read the bible and say 50 Hail marys

Is this a subtle attempt at making op wanting to transition even more? I feel like the dark forces of accelerationism are at play here

fuck off

Sort out your own notions of masculinitt and femininity if you havnt already. The alexiad is Good for this.

>yfw you’ll eventually realize that you were disgusted by yourself, not your sex characteristics

Know that I, user, do not consider you subhuman.

I’m With Her, too! #slay

Country ? I'm retarded so I think that counts.

How are you "trans"?
What do you sdo that is "trans"?

Genuinely curious, i had a friend begin transitioning in the last year who decided to do it out of nowhere and id like to understand the process better

1. have low self esteem
2. get confused and start thinking that your sex characteristics are the problem
3. put concrete effort into self improvement in the course of transition
4. mistakenly believe that the important part was the modification of sex characteristics

Careful now, don't go thinking about this stuff too deeply. You might come across some screaming contradictions in the narrative.

The same people that care about this shit also think gender is just a social construct and doesnt matter. Best not to think to hard about it.

but gender is a social construct

>tfw I know a trans person whose doctor is actually called Goldberg

Why is /litpol/ always right?

I doesn’t really matter, there’s almost a 50% chance of you an heroing so good riddance

Not sure if you're transitioning from FtM or MtF but either way I've heard good things about Man Alive. You might find it interesting since it sort of examines the idea of what it means to be a man

If that isn't really your thing, I would try Trans Bodies, Trans Selves. It's a book written by and for trans people as a sort of resource and guide surrounding a lot of the questions around being trans

Best of luck with your transition!

Read Nevada by Imogen Binnie for fiction.

You're in the Wrong Bathroom... by Erickson-Schroth and Jacobs, and Transgender 101 by Teich for non-fiction.

McNeil et al. 2012 found that suicidal ideation and actual attempts reduced after transition, with 63% thinking about or attempting suicide more before they transitioned and only 3% thinking about or attempting suicide more post-transition.

Kuiper and Cohen-Kettenis found suicide attempt rates decrease from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women after medical intervention and treatments.

De Cuypere et. al. found a decrease in suicide attempt rates from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001 after receiving medical and surgical treatment.

Bauer et. al. (2013) found that 27% of those who hadn’t begun transitioning had attempted suicide in the past year, but this dropped to 1% for those who were finished transitioning.

There are numerous other studies attesting to decreases in depression, anxiety, and even blood cortisol levels. A huge factor for positive outcomes is social support:

>Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation (Bauer, et. al.).

>inb4 someone misrepresents the Dhejne study.

Soy doesn't actually affect your hormones like you think it does.

Thank god at least one of you has some sense and actually wants to help OP

>implying
Lobotomy had great results too.

Have fun dying after the post-surgery regret sets in and your body rejects your gash lmao

Imagine getting this upset about what pronouns somebody uses for themselves

Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).

These findings make sense given the consistent findings that access to medical care improves quality of life along many axes, including sexual functioning, self-esteem, body image, socioeconomic adjustment, family life, relationships, psychological status and general life satisfaction. This is supported by the numerous studies (Murad 2010, De Cuypere 2006, Kuiper 1988, Gorton 2011, Clements-Nolle 2006) that also consistently show that access to GCS reduces suicidality by a factor of three to six (between 67 percent and 84 percent).

Post-op care is tough, it's true, but a lot of /pol/ posts usually use pictures just after surgery to scare people, and push this "wound" meme that is inaccurate. Dilation is more about muscle training that keeping a "wound" open. Results do vary. A lot. And the amount of depth that can be constructed depends on a lot of factors. Some people opt for no-depth cosmetic options, while others simply opt for an orchidectomy. But fully healed post-op vaginas can be indistinguishable from the real thing. I've seen some Brassard and Suporn made ones that were great. Marci Bowers, too.

That said, I think keeping the penis keeps one more open to sexual partners, but you need to sift through a lot of chasers.

Lol they can succumb to their own delusions all they want. Just dont act surprised when the general populace avoids you.

Do trans people that do the gash shit actually get people to fuck them? How do you convince someone to put their dick in a wound?

They probably trick drunks

You're on Veeky Forums and you don't know about these fetishes?
It's all fun and games until the poor sods become middle aged and develop that typical middle aged belly men get once they're over 35.
Funny thing is the fake tits stay the same size, as male fat distribution is different from female. So you get that standard dad body of thin male legs sticking out below a big gut, and absurdly small fake tits above the gut. Women put on weight on their thighs, ass, breasts as well as the belly, men generally just grow a big belly. A middle aged trans women is just comical, like a pantomime dame.

Imagine being this dumb.

Hormones change fat distribution. Trans women - the younger the better - have female fat distribution as long as they keep their hormones in female ranges. If they have an orchidectomy (removal of the testicles), there's not enough testosterone to create a male body fat pattern. Estrogen generally causes the build up of subcutaneous fat beneath the skin, which also changed the skin's appearance.

Do you even know shit about endocrinology?

DSM-IV

You watched too much porn and your brain is fucked up. You are gonna be perpetually depressed because your "identity" is based upon a sexual fetish.

Selected studies for their bias, now post real suicide rates please.

And yet middle aged trans women look the way I've described.

>But fully healed post-op vaginas can be indistinguishable from the real thing
At best they're superficially, visually indistinguishable, in some very uncommon cases.

Liar liar pants on fire
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

Do you have any studies you'd like to share, because between the two posts I've made in this thread I've left plenty of citations, and I could provide more. But do you have anything to support your counterpoint?

I'll give you a hint: you can't. The reason you can't is because we don't have that data. We have data for suicide ideation and suicide attempts, which is not the same as successful suicides. The Williams Institute and their survey that found 41% of participants attempted suicide at least once in their lives is misconstrued by people like Ben Shapiro as saying 41% will commit suicide, which no study says, because no such statistic exists. Yet plenty of studies do say attempts decrease.

Why? Because transition is the treatment. If there were no well-documented benefits, then it wouldn't even be prescribed.

>Mocking somebody who doesn't call people subhuman because they're trans.
It's okay, user. Jesus still loves you even if you probably use the phrase "virtue signaling" unironically.

why? it's helping to slow the population from expanding. anything helps.

>Why? Because transition is the treatment. If there were no well-documented benefits, then it wouldn't even be prescribed.
Like lobotomy was prescribed

I literally just addressed that study here: 42%* of trans men and 46%* of trans women attempted suicide at least once in their lives, which is not the same as saying that same per cent will commit suicide. And if you read the first fucking page you'll see that it says:

>Respondents who experienced rejection by family and friends, discrimination, victimization, or violence had elevated prevalence of suicide attempts

Just like the rest of the literature on the subject.

*I got the number wrong at 41.

come join our reading group guys :p

Are you literally medicalising transness? It really seems that way which is sad. It's not a medical condition and we've had to fight to get it recognised as such. Citing medical studies when discussing transness just feeds into this problematic narrative.

Lobotomy has no clear benefits, whereas hormone replacement therapy and surgery, if needed, reduces suicide attempts and ideation, reduces depression and anxiety, as well as reduces blood cortisol levels. This is all supported in the peer-reviewed medical literature.

Here's what a study on trans adolescents says:

>A clinical protocol of a multidisciplinary team with mental health professionals, physicians, and surgeons, including puberty suppression, followed by cross-sex hormones and gender reassignment surgery, provides trans youth the opportunity to develop into well-functioning young adults. All showed significant improvement in their psychological health, and they had notably lower rates of internalizing psychopathology than previously reported among trans children living as their natal sex. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population.

>pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958

I have to run to the store now, and I won't be back to this thread. Have a fine day.

Are you literally playing devil's advocate? Why transition if not for dysphoria? I'm sorry but "I'm trans, accept me, peace and love" isn't really as effective an argument against "lol mentally ill Kya faggot." At least if there's an understandable reason for why people are doing what they're doing it makes sense.

>42%* of trans men and 46%* of trans women attempted suicide at least once in their lives, which is not the same as saying that same per cent will commit suicide
lol, and? "we're not severely fucked in the head, we only try to commit suicide at a rate of 50%!"
>Respondents who experienced rejection by family and friends, discrimination, victimization, or violence had elevated prevalence of suicide attempts
Right, "only" 33% whose family reacted just fine tried to kill themselves.
The best predictos for "low" (still several times the rate of normal individuals) suicide rate are earning a lot of money and being old.

come join our bookclub fellow sexually confused Veeky Forumsizens

Lmfao being a tranny sounds like fucking hell. Have to take all these hormones very rigidly and if you fuck up you look like even more of a fucking retard. Feel sorry for you dudes/dudettes

>Lobotomy has no clear benefits,
Tell the Nobel prize committee that. The point is that medical consensus does not exist free from ideology and is not the authority you think it is.

Mine Comf

I accept transgenderism on the condition that transracialism, transagism, transheightism, transspeciesism, transintellect, etc are also all accepted. Transgenderism is the stratification of sex into a physical, measurable component (biological sex) and an almost spiritual, subjective, identity-based one (gender). There is nothing logically wrong with this on the condition that all other objective measures of one's individuality undergo the same stratification. Ethnic makeup/racial identity, age/mental age, species/identified species, height/mental height, IQ/intellectual identity, and so on. There's no argument I've ever heard for the sex/gender divide that doesn't also apply to those.

If those stratifications aren't accepted (there are some pretty good practical reasons they shouldn't be), none of them can be. This is simple. It's time for progressives to prove they mean what they say by going balls-to-the-wall, or else the time to retract the claim has come.

You are disgusted by yourself in general and will stay disgusted even if you dress up as a woman.

>it's a "/pol/ squatters don't read, but love to shit up the board with their hot opinions" thread

Anyway, I'd love to help you OP, but Nevada sucked, and I refuse to read "Ms. Purple" Virginia Woolf. Really the only thing I'd be interested in reading is a trans author that doesn't actually try to explain or 'solve' transgenderism. Just let me walk around inside your head, and write the best story you can. But when you think about it, this may never happen. The other 99.9% of the population can't even write a decent novel, what chance do trans people have?

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>join an online girl gamer/anime community
>80% of the group are transwomen
>join an online lesbian community
>95% of the group are transwomen
I thought women are supposed to be 51% of the population and trans people are like 0.001% of the population

>and I refuse to read
Retard

>flounces from manhood
>flounces from thread
>flounces from life

Medicalising transness suggests there is a defect with the trans person, not a failure on the part of society to accept them

>Freud and Jung.
I don’t consider you subhuman but I really think you’re delusional and that you have a mental illness. I think society is cruel in exhaling that mental illnes, and that it would be best for your long term wellbeing if you overcame it.
That said, you have your own body that nobody else has claim to. Do with it what you want but principally: be a decent person. That’s what people worth knowing wil respect you for

There's clearly a defect, hatred of one's body image is a serious psychological issue.

>Join a masculine ‘female’ group
>they’re all trans wtf

If transgenderism isn't pathological then there's much less reason to accept it.

It isn't. Society is pathological with its binaries and prejudice.

I believe being trans is a mental illness but that’s a false statement.
There are plenty of things in society that are not pathological that also warrant acceptance

youtube.com/watch?v=PF9aeIk6vII

As I said I’m not pro trans I’m just telling you the claim that anything not pathological has less reason for acceptance is weong

So is the law, time, and culture you fucking idiot.

where did I claim otherwise