What are some good books about masculinity? I read this and thought it had some decent information...

>Monks
>Masculine

James Crumley's books. Every friendship starts with a bar fight.

>men living without the vaginal jew clouding their judgement
Yeah, I'd call that masculine

>inb4 they're not masculine because they have self-control and don't fuck cheap whores and smash even cheaper drugs like I do

>vaginal jew
That is the best thing I've ever read

>jack donovan
boy do i have the proper follow up for you

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>inb4 they're not masculine because they have self-control and don't smash cheap drugs and fuck even cheaper whores like I do.
Fixed it.

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it's written by a literal gay satanist, so it's hardly a good source for conventional, socially conservative western men who want to think about manhood in a philosophical way that they can actually feel good about-they would always have gotten their ideas from a literal satanic fag, and there's no getting rid of that stink. OTOH the pro-Donovan camp could observe that the whole point of masculinity is a basic, raw power. IIRC Donovan (in his blog) differentiates between a swinging-dick Hell's Angel and some obidient, productive schlub in this way: the latter is /the better man/ in a sense, but the former /is better at being a man/. This construction simply takes basic masculinity and works with it.

>socially conservative
What does that mean?

>being a wagie
>masculine

If you need to ask this question you may as hell go on HRT since no matter what you do you're just going to relapse into effete fatalism, a product broken on the assembly line is never going to function

>The Centurion Method Training Manual
>Sigurd - Book of the Heroic Outlaw
>Might Is Right
>The Sacred Path of the Warrior
>The Hero with a Thousand Faces
The list goes on

>"""" literal gay satanist""""
Not an argument.

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fag.

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>mortification of your body
>masculine

Reviewbrah is the male power fantasy: a man entirely unbeholden to the societal norms imposed on him --a true maverick.

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>start with the Greeks
Xenophon's Anabasis is a historical account of manhood as forged and tested by millitary expedition.

>Jack Donovan
>entitled to talk about masculinity

>have a job

you, my friend, suck cock for breakfast

i like your idealism about monks

>the absolute state of Veeky Forums

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>What are some good books about masculinity?
Not 'The way of men'. It's a below average book until the last few chapters where Donovan shows how gay he is. Don't believe me? He wants you to form a tight nit group of men only and wrestle naked in the bush with them once a month to 'bond as a gang' of men. Of course, if that wasn't enough, the reason to do so is because the sky is falling and 'western civilization is coming to an end', despite never being more powerful and culturally dominating in the world. Seriously, go ahead, but don't expect anything grand and mighty from Donovan. Also, the spacing of paragraphs in this book is really irritating, the whole thing could be reduced to half the length if it wasn't for those, id wager this book took about a week to write for any normal person, substance is lackluster. Poorly written, and extremely shallow in actually dealing with masculinity and male sexuality. That's all I have to complain about with 'the way of men'.

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>Grab Walden, then go innawoods for a week or two and don't touch anything that didn't exist before 1910
So, what you're saying is, that masculinity, really, is a very dated, concept?

>WHY CAN'T I HIT WOMEN ANYMORE
>IT'S SO HARD BEING MALE
>THE ENTIRE WORLD IS AGAINST ME
Definitely not your pic related

>modern society suppresses masculinity or only allows its expression in brief semi-cathartic things like sports.

>have a job

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bure ideology :DDDD better starve :DDDDD

Couldn't have put it better, lad
Thank you, user

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>modern society suppresses masculinity
How retarded do you have to be to actually believe this?

I see your Althusserian babble and raise my Powerstructural babble
>Pro-tip: critiques of ideology are themselves a product of the same ideology. You can never escape power! What will you do know?

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You don't understand either philosopher friend.

As retarded as this guy and countless others.

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Masculinity as well as femininity were both destroyed completely the exact moment they became "concepts".

I didn't we were having a se

*a serious discussion

>As retarded as this guy
So indeed very retarded

Why? Because people won't take responsibility for their affects?

not him, but it probably had something to do with them becoming affects

You convinced me my opinion is incorrect. Cheers.

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>critiques of ideology are themselves a product of the same ideology. You can never escape.
Confirmed for never engaging with the Ziz, this is one of his main theses. When you believe you are free from ideology, that is in fact when you are most inside of it

Lmao you sound like a woman

masculinity is letting donovan fuck your manly ass

>western males are so screwed by modernity that they need to be taught how to be men again by a homosexual

homosexuals created western civilization you dumb fuck ;)

It's sad that you require a woman to tell you how to be a man.

Why don't you read books about femininit y and do the the exactly oposite? From what I see in this thread so far, this would be much easier.

Starting strength

Male Fantasies by Klaus Theweleit

>donovan is like gay haha he kisses men ewwww lol he should kiss girls for sure

is anyone here not a teenager?

That looks ridiculous without a belt

Unironically the Quran and the Hadith and Islamic history. Islam is the only living tradition that values traditional masculinity. The rest of the world is either a bunch of post-industrial bugmen, lukewarm liberal pseudo-christians or literal savages.

Islam is the only point where civilisation and masculinity coexist.

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Donovan is literally gay. He can't teach you shit about manhood.

The funniest thing about is that he comes across as a butch lesbian/ftm trannie because he larps so hard. It's uncomfortable to see him speak with his fake masculinity.

True, but his literature is still valid.

Another right winger misunderstands the concept of toxic masculinity.

"Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. Other stereotypically masculine traits, such as self-reliance and the stifling of emotions, are correlated with increased psychological problems in men such as depression, increased stress, and substance abuse. Scholars argue that the socialization of boys often normalizes violence, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" with regard to bullying and aggression.

"Toxic" masculine traits are contrasted with more traditionally positive masculine traits such as devotion to work, pride in excelling at sports, and providing for one's family. The concept of toxic masculinity was originally used by authors associated with the mythopoetic men's movement in contrast to a "real" or "deep" masculinity that they say men have lost touch with in modern society."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity

What about that seems so wrong to you?

The Bible
Left-wing ideologues attack men directly and promote femininity as the solution. Modern feminists rarely, if ever, promote a return to “traditional masculinity”, and the type of men most critical of “toxic masculinity” are so-called soyboys. This has allowed men like Jack Donovan to misconstrue the issue.

>true, and therefore his literature is invalid

>what are suspenders
LMAOing at your life

You're talking to the sons of single mothers, what did you expect

Faggots are the same as women when it comes to preaching about masculinity. Both groups' opinions are to be discarded.

>promote femininity as the solution
ahaha, sorry son you're straight up retarded

>subjugating yourself to some kind of arbitrary concept like 'masculinity' for no reason whatsoever
Well cucked, my friends.

In American Conservatism it's usually referencing policy based on virtue ethics or natural law.

>I can't be called a faggot If I pretend not to believe in genders

Pathetic faggot.

No they don't. You're just spouting right wing memes that have little basis in history or reality. Give me an example of this.

>I need somebody else to tell me what made-up ideology to adhere to because I'm a weak faggot that can't think for himself
Really makes me think.

Also, who said anything about genders and homosexuality? You projecting there, pal?

"I'm a man!!!" he screams, lips stretched into a manic grin as tears flow down his face. "I'm happy. I'm fulfilled. It's all I ever wanted." he chokes out, his throat constricted by the hole in his soul. "I. Am. Content." he whispers, the meaninglessness of his existence lurking in the back of his mind, extending its glistening red cock and placing it gently on the anus of his amygdala. "I am a man...." his mind echoes, as the engorged metaphorical penis starts to slide into the metaphorical anus. The man closes his eyes and imagines himself swaying gently in the wind, hanging from a sturdy rope. The end.

I'm reading the Illiad now, got about 40 pages to go. Go Greek baby.

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>Islam is the only point where civilisation and masculinity coexist.

So you mean raping little girls?

Where do you get that idea?

>2018
>not recognizing yourself as the creative nothing
Stay spooked

Implying that violence is inherently bad and should be avoided at all costs is an opinion that only belongs to the weak

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>have a job
wow no. there is almost nothing more immasculating than that.

Faye : pornograph, radio host in a station owned by a pedophile
Benoist : defended a pedophile, pro-abortion, called for people to vote for a communist mason in 2017
Donovan : fag and kike
Devi : crazy hinduist
Linkola : fingol nihilist
Willinger : pro-jewry

everything

>Implying there's anything wrong with abortion or hinduists

t. virgin neet

>Left-wing ideologues attack men directly and promote femininity as the solution
They promote femininity for men, and masculinity for women.

from all the raping of little girls

Masculinity is a tranny myth, a general trend doesn't mean people are somehow universally limited.

post a photo of your flexed bicep

OP here. These responses suck. Most of you suck. I hate most of you.

>reading books written by homos
bruh

The Iliad might not be what OP is looking for
The Iliad showcases a shame-culture, as opposed to a guilt. When a character flees in battle, he isn't upset because he failed to meet his own standards; he's upset because he failed to meet the standards of others. Shame is external, guilt is internal, and The Iliad showcases a culture built almost entirely on shame.
OP is looking to be self-motivated. An epic that showcases men shamed into greatness won't help him

Read 12 Rules For Life if you like Jordan Peterson. He's very hit-or-miss though. If you're not interested in his one man war on postmodernism, you'll probably dislike it.
If you hate him and want some ancient philosophy, read Letters From a Stoic. It's not intentionally focused on masculinity, but it seems like what you're looking for.
If you want a fun edgy novel centered on masculinity, read Fight Club. It doesn't have too much depth, but it's fun.

The lack of serious answers in this thread, and the general skull-fuckery on display, has convinced me that room exists for a book on this topic.

OP try Ernst Jünger, Stahlgewitter and Der Arbeiter

how the fuck is self reliance ever a negative trait?