ITT: shit books that are highly acclaimed/"classics"

good post OP, agree strongly

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for all it's flaws, Dune is actually a decent book.

it's decent, yes, i won't deny that, but it says right there on the cover "Science Fiction's Supreme Masterpiece"
if it in indeed what it claims to be, then i feel a miserable pity for science fiction
if the cover would have said "hey, it's decent!!!!" i probably would have appreciated that and not felt the need to defame it

that's fair I guess. But I do still love it

1984

I'm really bad at writing but I'll try to explain. A simplistic style which expresses easy to identify themes. Vonnegut is an author to get you into reading. His humor makes him more palatable and keep you reading, especially for teenagers. Why do you think every "I like art" type girl's favorite author is Vonnegut? He's sarcastic to entertain you and then has his moments of emotion to make you feel.
His themes are(from what I've read) mostly societal criticisms but also about fate, which most people can relate to either. Is he a deep as everyone claims? I'd(and he'd agree) say not really. He has depth but he's also the deepest writer a lot of people read.
I'm sorry if I'm rambling but another way to put is that Vonnegut is what YA should be, an easy to read style that clearly expresses it's themes with humor to keep you interested. There is nothing wrong with enjoying Vonnegut, but he can't be pinnacle of your literary journey.
Read the Sirens of Titan for similar themes to Slaughterhouse 5 about predestination if your interested.

I will say that his satire can be obnoxious at times. Breakfast of champions really makes him seem like a huge pseud, which he (mostly) isn't.
I hope I could help you understand, I'm mostly a brainlet lurker who looks for recommendations.
Also, Catch-22 > Slaughterhouse 5
Dune Messiah should be packaged with Dune. Dune itself is a set up for the second book which is deconstructs the hero-myth of Paul, and how he himself is trapped by the fate he has been fighting against. Still not "The Best Sy-fy EVAR" but it makes a better read.

Dune is actually a great book. Better than decent at the least.

This

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never heard of it, must be even worse than the average bad "classic"

It's god awful
Main character doesn't have a name and marries an billionaire widow who killed his own wife and the MC is constantly whining about how she will never live up to the widow

It's really popular in Britain for some reason, Even got a film adaptation by Hitchcock
My A-level English Lit teacher regarded as a gothic classic to rival Frankenstein

It's not

I've never seen anyone hate as many books as Veeky Forums

It's like Veeky Forums is comprised of different people who have different opinions on books

Are you supposed to like everything?

this is one of the most reddit posts and I see it all the time.

>complain about Veeky Forums culture
>now complaining about reddit

I've never seen anyone hate as many internet sites as much as you

you really don't understand what's going on. you seem very confused, very unintelligent rn and it's not humble, just awkward.

>It's like Veeky Forums is comprised of different people who have different opinions on books

It really isn't. Board culture almost necessitates hatred of the same books collectively.

Doesn't mean anything. Everyone supposedly hates genre fiction while he have a permanent sff general. People have differing opinions of books all the time if you sift through the memes and shitposting.

Pic related literally has no moral. No point for existing. Nothing to be learned. No meaning. Utter wank. God authors first novels are garbage.

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so it's the miserable blutherings of a pooo poooor poooooor women being oppressed by the (boo hooo hooo) injustice of the MAAAAN's world?
no wonder it's popular

The movie is a classic though. It has one of my favorite openings in movie history
youtube.com/watch?v=7IsskjJnGN0

I wish gothic romances were still a thing

I don't get what anyone really has against Kurt Vonnegut, aside from just not wanting to like fairly simple writing. He was where I started when I first got into lit, and he still holds up as perfectly good. Not the best obviously, but pretty fucking far from "shit."

Seems like Daphne du Maurier stories are best told by male film directors

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This was the first and only book I read by him, since it didn't make me want to read more of his stuff. Did you ever read J R or anything else from him? Any better?

his writing is boring. That's the main thing, but maybe I'm just over reading post-modern nonsense war books. The satire in Slaughterhouse-Five is so obvious and in-your-face, but it lacks any depth
>lol war is pointless and bad think of the children
>lol why is sex offensive but violence is not
this is basically the entire message of the book, plus some incoherent take on fate and predestination

actually incredibly fair comment. I bought it because of the masterpiece endorsements and thought it was good, fun, enjoyable, but not absolutely outstanding.

Whenever I see "and all was beautiful and nothing hurt" tattoo I throw up in my mouth a little.

J R 1000% percent better. Funniest book I've ever read

>half of a 1000 pages book is a 200 pages book

is Veeky Forums this mindlessly contrarian IRL or is this some weird social performance and appeal to the contrarian hivemind as institution? i've been around here for years and years now, some opinions never change, there is an unwritten hivemind canon.

it's cause they don't really understand how few people bother reading anything other than genre fic and non-fic these days. they gotta take down the big dudes that everyone is talking about like SH5

WRONG
correct

I don't give a shit if it makes me plebbit, I love Vonnegut and think his style is so fun to read I wouldn't trade the hours I've spent reading and rereading his stuff for just about anything.

I hated Vonnegut b4 I ever even heard of Veeky Forums. But all of my pseudo friends called me a pleb. That's why the hive mind rallies against this garbage, we've been told we just don't understand so many times by our hipster faggy friends that we thought there was something we were missing, so we thoroughly enjoy it when other people confirm our suspicions that Vonnegut is complete and utter shit

generally being contrarian is the right choice about 90% of the time nowadays though. Obviously you need to go elsewhere for constructive debate, this is a place of deconstruction

I just got this in the mail a few days ago, is it really that bad? I'm reading Catch-22 right now but should I just toss Slaughter House Five?

Read it and return it if you bought it from amazon
Free books lmao

Anyone who is shit talking Vonnegut without having read God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater is dumb.

you just described a library

you legit have to be a retard to hate Vonnegut so much is what you should learn from this

You're lying to yourself buddy

Cats cradle was so terrible I stopped reading it and instead decided to pay attention at jury duty. The power of Vonnegut

pathetic. the problem is with your brain not Vonnegut

The problem is with you being a pseudo 1/2 fag hipster that thinks he's cool by liking Vonnegut. But in the back of your mind you know, yes you know it's crap

Maybe also 1984

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I can understand how the plebeian would be deathly afraid of burroughs

He murdered his wife after all

And lived for a long ass time, even lived to see his son die..

Fucking opium fiends..

dystopia is a lazy device and the literary equivalent of calling political opponents hitler, it makes sense

Obligatory As I Lay Dying and Great Gatsby.

this is true

wrong side of history, bub. if I ever hear you talk books around me irl I will end your reading life.

Stranger.

I'm not your bub, pal
I can't help the fact that you find books that bore most people with half a brain to tears great or interesting, that's on you.

I'm smarter than you and read more books, just face it: You hate Vonnegut cause you're a humorless pseud.

>Vonnegut
>humor
Pick one

Vonnegut couldn't even hold Thompson's wild turkey bottle

I would spit on you in real life even if I was dying of thirst and my saliva was the last bit of moisture keeping me alive.

...

bogo

No you wouldn't. I'd fuck your ugly girl friend bc she'd realize she's been dating a beta 1/2 fag, and would want to know how a real man feels.

> just kidding we all know you're a kissless virgin

I take that back seen how much you love Vonnegut you'd probably enjoy getting cucked.

Back to edgelord.

The fact that you think that you would spit on me in real life and not get your ass throttled, lol. I can tell you've been reading too many books.

>"I like art" type girl's
stopped reading there

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Back to crabbit

Honestly this novel is so fucking bad

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Every Vonnegut girl I met also loves MBDTF and nothing else.

There's a reason I don't post.

Nearly everything written by a woman.
Nearly everything written by Jews, especially whiny neurotic Kafka.
Nearly everything written by blacks. (>muh struggle, >muh oppression, we get it)

The Aeneid is garbage and to compare it with Homer is laughable.
Byron is an overrated poet and should be stricken from the canon.
While Shakespeare is the greatest writer ever, most of his comedies are trash tier and should be forgotten.
Also Faulkner, Hemingway and other writers of that modernist ilk. Modernism was a mistake.

Does this count?

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Hegel

Top tier bait. You ticked almost every box.

>thinking I'm trolling
Wew lad.

unironically a good post

Why are the tragedies or histories better? Convince me why As You Like It, Twelfth Night, and Merchant of Venice are beautiful throughout. Last time someone said it’s because tragedies cover deeper topics. Sick, dude.

The comedies for the most part rely on word play and puns that are obscure and outdated. And need to be explained in the context of the Elizabethan era.
And as everyone knows, a joke fails if it has to be explained.

Whereas his dramas are timeless because they cover eternal topics and struggles and you don't need to listen to a 45 minute lecture just to understand he's making a veiled reference to vaginas.

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>If it has no moral it must be bad

I can tell you haven't been.

>/pol/
>/teenedgelord/
>/brainlet-let-let-of-brainlets/

Vonnegut is awful ask anyone who isn't a hipster

I rarely see it mentioned here but this book was published a couple of years ago to much fanfare and it is garbage. Emotionally manipulative torture porn with no point other than to give the reader a cathartic experience with a box of tissues (or boxes, as this thing is fucking bloated as shit at ~800 pgs).

Agreed. Don't really mind KV but Slaughterhouse is bad.

Eh, read it so long ago I barely remember it but I would have agreed at the time.

>As I Lay Dying
Genuinely triggered. Great Gatsby for sure, though.

Clearly bait.

Yes it counts good post.

To be fair, being "too good" for Vonnegut is more hipster. Unless you are underage or your friends don't read.

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>if the cover would have said "hey, it's decent!!!!" i probably would have appreciated that and not felt the need to defame it
It's a fucking blurb to sell copies m8. What cover would go "Yeah it's not that great but it's better than staring at the wall and wondering where my life went wrong"

>It's a fucking blurb to sell copies m8
It's not just the blurb. Dune is widely considered the best sf novel ever. That colored user's experience reading the book. It's not necessarily a criticism but it is totally understandable especially in the context of this thread which is for discussing books that are overhyped. I happen to disagree I thought Dune was great but what user said is totally fair.

90% of people already think it's shit.

This is true.
Also, Notes from the Underground. Novelists who hide their juvenile philosophising behind fiction should be shot.

Dostoyevsky

Your bait succeeded in triggering the fuck out of me. Get out.

Unironically kys.

This. Nabokov was right.

For a lurker you should post more. Your thoughts are appreciated.