fun quote: >the supreme luxury of the society of technical necessity will be to grant the bonus of useless revolt and of an acquiescent smile >tfw uselessly revolting >smiling acquiescently so hard right now
all forms of catholic-marxist-existential critiques of modernity welcome. vent your ire or redirect it through channels of arcane theoretical jargon, speculate on machinic desire, try not to think about jeff bezos' laughter echoing in the empty corridors of amazon in 1998, &c &c
>try not to think about jeff bezos' laughter echoing in the empty corridors of amazon in 1998, &c &c
Damn OP, you already ruined my day and it's not even lunch time here yet. Where do you think I should start with Ellul? Does he even have an optimistic outlook or does it tend to be sober version of Land?
Colton Peterson
Judator From Outer Planet Made A Hollywood Secret Sign And Roses Flew Through The Gates Like A Cannibal Corpses Surround
Ayden Cooper
>Damn OP, you already ruined my day and it's not even lunch time here yet.
apologies good sir
desu, the only ellul book i've read is the technological society. i read it way back when and i'm re-reading it now b/c some cool user here recommended a book by marty glass (yuga) and it was way good and the guy had very fine things to say about ellul. so i'm re-reading it now.
>Does he even have an optimistic outlook or does it tend to be sober version of Land?
i don't think it's an optimistic outlook, but isn't there something inherently optimistic about the idea of sanity?
>land
digesting land and not going full cthulhu is imho one of the Fun Things To Do With Philosophy these days.
maybe in some of his other books he recommends something then? i'm really not sure. perhaps some other ellul-anons will suggest something.
i started a thread the other day hoping to get some conversation going about gilbert simondon and yuk hui, who actually might have alternatives to the Land Rover but it didn't seem to catch. life in the technological society is pretty much my favorite thing to think/drink/grow prematurely old/&c about.
but the technological society seems to be the place to begin. def left an impression on me - the imperative to efficiency > uber alles. later readings of other guys pair well with this idea.
Anyone got a link for an ebook of his 'Propaganda'? Tough find, for some reason.
Carter Morgan
i just checked, you can find it on b-ok.
Matthew Barnes
I've only read the Technological Society, parts of Propaganda and my favorite: Critique of the New Commonplaces. I highly recommend the last book and I'm glad somebody else enjoy his work.
Jacob Cruz
>&c Do you mean antsy? Do you get antsy?
Brandon Mitchell
nice, thanks for the recs. i don't know what i should read next of his after TCS but maybe i'll look into that one.
>&c i never thought of interpreting that way before, that's kind of funny. i just use it to mean et cetera. i *do* get antsy, quite a lot.
ellul is boss tho. i really dig this book. time and again i find that critics from a religious background or dimension have amazing ways of writing about tech: mcluhan, heidegger, ellul, virilio. ofc you get amazing stuff from marx and baudrillard also, but maybe it's just that the religious guys aren't...i don't know, *seduced* by the prospect of revolution or triggered about it or whatever. you just get this nice kind of critical distance going on.
the first time i read ellul it was before heidegger and some other guys, so he was really impressive to me then, but it was a while ago and i had forgotten a lot of the things he says. i'm really enjoying the re-read.
and, of course, it doesn't hurt that history only seems to be proving the truth of a lot of what he was saying. quite a guy.
