Marriage is for poorfags

this is usually the case
i make a piddly $76k
good luck finding a woman who gets that

I can't rationalize marriage for a combination of reason; the initial were the statistical and society wide issues associate with the nationwide divorce rates and economic devastation that comes with it, but as an adult the anecdotal evidence against marriage is even stronger. Now that I think about it a green text would probably illustrate this more effectively.

>be me
>live in one of the top ten wealthiest counties in United States from childhood until adulthood
>born in 90's so my childhood actually consisted of making friends with neighborhood kids and their families
>Also have very large extended family
>as I get older learn that almost all of my uncles and aunts have gone through one or more divorces
>slowly watch relationships fall apart through the years

>best friend had to move to New Jersey after his parents split up when his father hired a private investigator to determine whether or not she was cheating
>she was, and got primary custody of the kids when they split

>Uncle ends marriage with first wife and starts dating woman around the age of his adult daughters within two years of the split

>Close family friend finds out that her husband has been boning a side bitch in their house after one of the kids finds him cooking dinner for her in the kitchen

>Another Uncle has his marriage blow up in his face and has to move out of his apartment to cover the cost
>still maintains relationship with his ex-wife's daughter

>Slowly watch the marriage of another friend's parents dissolve over the years as the drug use of their oldest and the division it causes on how to discipline him seems to be one of the leading causes
>they were all English expats if that adds anything

>by the time I'm leaving for college at least half of the married couples I knew of through childhood have fallen apart, either due to cheating or a melt down in the relationship
>as I finish up my junior year at least another three couples have dissolved

I think a far bigger problem is people having unplanned kids before marriage. THAT's what's going to get you into major poverty. Two successful people getting together and wanting to start a family is not. By the way, the divorce rate is significantly lower than the rest of society among couples who both graduated from college.

My reasoning for declining the opportunity to get married is more of a pragmatic one; much better men than me have tried and failed to sustain a life long relationship only to fail miserably and have their families and fortunes torn apart. I'm a rather selfish person, and find it unlikely that I would willingly give enough of myself or my treasure to a women that I would likely end up neglecting to the extent that she'd file for divorce because of emotional negligence or lack of fulfillment.
Between the data, my own observations, and the kind of person I am, I find it highly unlikely that I would even be able to maintain a ten year long relationship as a goal for an experimental marriage.

The trick is marrying the right woman and working at your marriage instead of coasting by and letting it fall apart.

Relationships are things you work at. Most people don't know this or don't care to put forth the effort.

I recognize that, my parents are still together after all. I just don't think that marriage is a safe enough bet in modern society; between loose women and porn I've already got half the reason people used to get married with the risks associated. And as for women, we no longer live in a society where you're socially trapped or ostracized if you don't get married by a certain age.
I've already outlined why I believe my hypothetical relationship would blow up in my face but ultimately I think that the institution itself is outdated which is why it has such a high failure rate in societies across the globe. While it's unfair to compare marriage to a product I believe it's safe to say that no one would buy a house that had a 50% chance of breaking down within 15 years with slight differences depending upon maintenance.

>between loose women and porn I've already got half the reason people used to get married with the risks associated
without the risks associated

Marriage is for the purpose of pooling resources to raise children in this day and age. Personally I'm inclined to find a few nice Mormon or Muslim girls and REALLY pool our respurces, because that's the kind of financial boost my offspring will need.

OP BTFO

Now that that's out of the way, are there any economic drawbacks to marriage assuming you're not (a) a dipshit who married someone for their body and (b) married to someone who isn't as financially fit and frugal as you are?

Marriage = you want to breed. Dont want to breed? Dont marry, someone else will.

A western woman will make damn sure her husband stays and fullfils her every whim because for a woman, the cost of marriage is actually much higher.

>women
>marriage
>cost

what cost do you speak of?

the cost of gaining 50% of a mans assets, his house and alimony/child support if you get BORED of being married?

oh no! what a costly cost....

Generalizations are what Veeky Forums is best at.

The cost of fucking up your career, and risking your health and body to breed and raise children from a man who can ditch you for a 20 year old if he happens to like so.

Have you even seen a pregnant woman once?

The unknowns of course. Just speaking from a utilitarian perspective so emotions aside - if you get real sick single , tough luck too bad. What if your partner is incapacitated or the kids are tard babies? It opens up a pandoras box of financial horror.

Obviously the net fain is positive (most people pool resources and obviously dont have malformed kids or injured partners) but it is something to consider.

In a perfect world youd already have somewhat of a nestegg or some fallback investments before marrying or having kids.

Right. Once they marry you they now shut the door on all other options. From hame theory perspective she has more to loose because now she cant marry a 94 year old billionare.

Whereas for you that isnt really an option - your imperitive is to spread your seed which requires a women - she can take any seed to produce genetic kin , you cant.

So yeh from a game theory perspective a women gives up more when she settles down than a man does ,

I remember in my mid 20's when I ginally realized that busting a nut was busying a nut - it was just cosmetic differences. So I could spend lots of energy chasing tale (and even if youre a sexual camel who only needs it once a year its still time and effort - only gets harder with age and career needs taking up time)

So I realized I could just find a nice women and settle down and now I have pussy on tap - someone elses paycheck to help me invest and more freetime to pursue my financial goals.

Im not everyone though - some get a thrill from the hunt and thats fine , different strokes for different folks. Not me though

>A western woman will make damn sure her husband stays and fullfils her every whim

That's damn good joke user, a damn good joke

Right, right, right. Kids area financial horror of their own. In a childless marriage that isn't built on bullshit where both partners are frugal, it's win-win as far as I can tell. But I'm not sure about taxes--any drawbacks there?

>a childless marriage that isn't built on bullshit where both partners are frugal
stop
this doesn't exist

>If you think 150k, and 2 cheap wedding rings is a lot you shouldn't be calling others poorfags

It's a waste of money.

$150k is not cheap per child. Forgot everyone on here was a certified millionaire though.

>OP BTFO

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_divorces

>Bernie Ecclestone's divorce from Slavica; estimated at $1–$1.2 billion.[1]

>Harold Hamm's divorce from Sue Ann Arnall; estimated at $974.8 million.[2]

>Adnan Khashoggi's divorce from Soraya Khashoggi; estimated at $850 million.[3]

>Craig McCaw's divorce from Wendy McCaw; estimated to exceed $460 million.[4]

>Mel Gibson's divorce from Robyn Moore Gibson; estimated at $425 million.[5]

>Robert L. Johnson's divorce from Sheila Johnson: estimated at $400 million.

>Roman Abramovich's divorce from Irina Abramovich; estimated at $300 million.[6]

>Invenergy's Michael Polsky's divorce from Maya Polsky, $184 million.[7]

>Michael Jordan's divorce from Juanita Jordan, $168 million [8]

>Boris Berezovsky's divorce from Galina Besharova; estimated at $160 million.[9]

>Neil Diamond's divorce from Marcia Murphey; estimated at $150 million.[10]

>Frank McCourt's divorce from Jamie McCourt; estimated at $130 million.[11]

>Greg Norman's divorce from Laura Andrassy; estimated at $103 million.[12]

>Steven Spielberg's divorce from Amy Irving; estimated at $100 million.[13]

>Madonna's divorce from Guy Ritchie; estimated at $76–$92 million.[14]

>Kevin Costner's divorce from Cindy Silva; estimated at $80 million.[15]

>Kenny Rogers divorce from Marianne Rogers; estimated at $60 million.[16]

>James Cameron's divorce from Linda Hamilton; estimated at $50 million.[17]

>Paul McCartney's divorce from Heather Mills; estimated at $48.6 million.[18]

>Michael Douglas' divorce from Diandra Douglas; estimated at $45 million.[17]

>Ted Danson's divorce from Casey Coats; estimated at $30 million.[19]

>Donald Trump's divorce from Ivana Trump; estimated at $25 million.[20]

>Lionel Richie's divorce from Diane Richie; estimated at $20 million.[17]

>Johnny Carson's divorce from Joanna Holland; estimated at $20 million.

>Mick Jagger's divorce from Jerry Hall; estimated between $15 and $25 million.[17]

>family name
who cares most people aren't royalty anyways

My great aunt and uncle did this. They're retired now and have a pretty comfy life. Traveling the world, own two awesome homes, and just get to enjoy their lives.

>if you don't officially marry you instantly become infertile

>who cares most people aren't royalty anyways

You don't need to be royalty to take pride in the family name. All it takes is for one person to amass wealth, and to spread those values to his children.
If you look at some of the most powerful people in your area you'll see that a lot of them have huge familys that you know by name. Heck the jews have been doing it up until now, but who am I to say.

>You don't need to be royalty to take pride in the family name. All it takes is for one person to amass wealth, and to spread those values to his children.

Enjoy losing all your wealth m8 Marriage is fucking retarded.

I don't give a fuck when I'm dead, my family name isn't anything special

>1246421
>pregnancy

oh no.... not something 10 billion other woman have done... what a cost... i mean thats 9 months and 3 months to recover from something so horrible

i mean you can literally fuck up the resource aquisition of a guy of about 20 years of hard work. But HEY YOU HAD TO GIVE BIRTH, OH NOES!

>Once they marry you they now shut the door on all other options.

i dunno, cheating with another person seems to be a thing

> From hame theory perspective she has more to loose because now she cant marry a 94 year old billionare.

there are roughly a thousand billionaires in the world. Not every bitch gets to have one

Marriage, once a religious institution, was turned into a state institution by giving tax breaks and other incentives.

There is literally no point in marrying someone. Almost everything you could do together (sex, travel the world, etc) can be done while not married with ease. If you want children, it is easier to just have to pay child support if the relationship goes sour than having alimony, child support and your retirement stolen away.

>paying over £10,000 for muh epik spicial day

That's enough captial to start up a soild small business, marraige is for realgous fags and women/betamales

Marriage, by user

Cons:

>cant do anything when she gets fat
>cant do anything when she withholds sex
>have to be around a WOMAN 24/7
>sex with only one woman for the rest of your life
>cant do anything when the eventual nagging starts
>you can be cucked
>have to spend shitloads on a wedding
>have to spend shitloads on a ring
>possibility of losing half of assets
>possibility of alimony payments
>possibility of child support payments
>50% chance of it failing
>70% of divorces are filed for by the woman, even if you do nothing wrong she can jump ship (all states are no-fault divorce states)
>her chances of getting custody are 90%
>possibility of her using your child as a manipulation tool when granted said custody
>in some divorces the courts actually force you to pay her lawyer fees
>all prenuptial agreements can be thrown out

Pros:

>Tax benefits (in certain scenarios)
>your dumb religion said to because it will please the big sky ghost
>??????

Repeat after me: FUCK AND CHUCK OR ILL BE KEKED

I actually agreed with most of what you said except for :
>her chances of getting custody are 90%
It's actually about 90% rate of joint custody. The main reason some men dont get 50% custody of their kids is because they dont fight for it.

Well done, but having qt on and off again fuck buddy is nice as well.

Just marraige is a control game.

Most people who marry either got tricked or believe they got the right woman.

>who can ditch you
I was going to tell you about how "women are the real victims of war" but the fact that you're outright lying makes it even worse

Everyone who isn't a troll or a naive retard knows this.

Getting married fucking sucks.

>what is cuckoldry

I know a straight laced CPA who was unwittingly raising the bastard of a fucking graffiti """artist""" who loved speedballs and made no money and contributes nothing to the kids life.

Some of the most irresponsible washouts are hitting the evolutionary jackpot by impregnating the wives of dutiful traditionalist faggots who still think it's 1952.

The traditional model only worked because the culture itself was also traditional.

It's over.

good infidels

scratch that

good infidels - the thread

>Have you even seen a pregnant woman once?
it's a horror show.
i never understood why people would do that.

>it's a horror show.
>i never understood why people would do that

are you a fag? A pregnant woman is most beautiful.

You're appealing to the lowest common denominators. Your solutions are accurate when they're feasible, but they rarely are feasible, because finding a woman who

1. Wants a simple, frugal wedding

2. Wants a man who makes less than she does

3. Won't cheat and bail and take your money with her when a better deal comes along

is near impossible.

So your gist is "just find a unicorn and change the whole culture bro."

eeeww

nobody marries anymore unless you are a complete sheeple

>fucking up your career

If you're a woman, your career if you have a kid is to be a mother.

>risking your health and body to breed and raise children

Then don't do it. Why are you bitching about a voluntary and entirely avoidable process?

Women have absolute reproductive control in the West. They have nothing to complain about.

>ditch you for a 20 year old if he happens to like so

And pay a hefty fine to his wife on the way out...whereas a woman can cuckold her husband and still take that payout on the way out the door.

The destructive instincts of human mating are only punished for the male, while for the female they are outright incentivized.

>women gives up more when she settles down than a man does ,

Not at all. She usually gets a provider, bodyguard, sugar daddy, etc. He usually gets...a soggy hole with an attitude that can do what she pleases and if she's not happy 24/7 it's his fault and he's a piece of shit.

> I could just find a nice women and settle down and now I have pussy on tap

Marriage =/= pussy on tap. You aren't guaranteed sex even in marriage, and it's not guaranteed that she isn't fucking another man. Marriage is no insulation form the sexual marketplace.

If you don;t understand that, you need to go back to the drawing board.

Funny thing is, it's mostly women whose votes and policies resulted in this.

Western men made a mistake: they gave their power to their Western women. They let their women choose.

Western women have turned much of their Western men into weakened, de-fanged, neurotic simps who walk on eggshells and are too scared to even ask a woman out for fear of being labeled a pervert because he's not hot enough, let alone tell a woman off or beat her if need be. Western men are no longer dominant.

But the fact remains, women love dominance above all. So now, they import violent, dominant men. This is an evolutionary auto-correction for decades of Western women's mental, political, and spiritual castration of Western men.

Your men gave women too much power.

Now your women choose who will take this power away from them and dominate them as they wish to be.

Western men failed the test. They failed to call the bluff of Western women.

the two sides of the same coin imo
neither is right neither is wrong

but there is no point to marriage if both party feels the put more into it then they get i guess this explains why marriage is out of fashion.

>Western men failed the test. They failed to call the bluff of Western women.
yeah well because 1% cuck part of the population you can showcase is proof of this. fugg off you retard.

No, the men who believe that women are """equal""" to men, that women should vote, etc, were/are dumb enough to give women power, or in today's case, believe they should keep their unmerited power.

Men were naive enough to give women in aggregate power they can not, and should not, handle.

> 50% divorce rate.
> Add unhappily married and that number goes to +70%

> I'm recently divorced.
> I'm part of the 25% of divorces filed by the husband.
> wife had minor anger mgmt "issues" , i though, meh, i can deal with that.
> with age, things got worse
> i kept it together for the kids
> hoping marriage counseling would work
> nope.jpg
> wife almost kill our son (by suicide, twice)
> i had enough. Kids too.
> end 20+ year marriage
> no prenup, i did all the right things including adopting her religion (catholic) i was a star in her family. So why prenup, right?

OP is right, marriage is for poorfags.
Due to circumstances in ex-wife's favor, she got over a qtr mil from my family

I have no answers or words of wisdon aside for if you or your family has assets, a prenup is a must. If your betrothed cant handle that (im being deliberately gender neutral) then walk away. Dont look back. The odds are against you.

its okay to get tired of sex sometimes
as long as you love your wife or husband you wont feel the need to do it with some one else
i think people should be more careful before entering marriages
nothing is wrong from parting from an unhappy marriage, it only hurts the next partner and the kids (if any)

what are the benefits?

bored or more like the husband being a prick?

i totally agree but marriage can be great sometimes... My cousin in unemployed, and he makes his wife work. they have 2 kids

how they manage to remain together is beyond me

you just gotta find the right deal

Or the wife being a cunt

This is the reason I would get married

>grandfather had 9 kids
>built up a business which he passed on to my father and uncle
>with 1 exception all my grandparents made it to 90 with few health issues
>only 6 grandsons carry his name out of 40 grandkids
>2 brothers who carry the name won't have kids
>2 cousins who are married are heading for rocky marriages

However
>been making shit money since I got out of college
>kids ain't cheap
>father and uncle wimped out and accepted a buyout from their partner
>partner ate a 12 gauge 6 months later
>father is threw away generational wealth to retire in his mid 50's
>uncle got lucky and got the highly desirable family farm that has been in the family since the 1890s
>single bitches of all ages be crazy. The good ones get snatched up right after highschool by family men.

>Why do idiots even get married these days? I don't understand it. I have never seen anyone 10+ years married who was happy with their life, ever. They're happy first 2-3 years because it's new and fresh but soon it dies.

Sounds to me like your family is kind of fucked and you're poor

>grandfather had 9 kids

A generational thing. How many ppl do you know with 9 kids that aren't psycho religious?

>built up a business which he passed on to my father and uncle

The odds of passing on a business to second generation are very slim. Third generation stupidly small. You can google those stats.

>only 6 grandsons carry his name out of 40 grandkids

Who cares. What, are you royalty or some such thing? You think anyone cares?

>2 brothers who carry the name won't have kids
>2 cousins who are married are heading for rocky marriages

Welcome to reality

However
>partner ate a 12 gauge 6 months later

What,running a business is supposed to be easy riiiiiiight?

>father is threw away generational wealth to retire in his mid 50's

His perogative faggot. He's not your family's bitch. Give the poor bastard a break. He's prob exhausted though wont show it. Fuck. I'm 53, at this for over 30 years. I'd retire in a heartbeat. I owe my kids a decent childhood and education. The rest is up to them.

>single bitches of all ages be crazy. The good ones get snatched up right after highschool by family men.

The only intelligent line in your post.

divorce.usu.edu/files/uploads/lesson3.pdf
>In the United States, researches estimate that 40%-50% of all first marriages, and 60% of second marriages, will end in divorce.

bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm
>Approximately 42% of marriages that took place between ages 15 and 46 ended in divorce.

marriagefoundation.org.uk/Shared/Uploads/Products/5357_MF - What is the divorce rate - 060213.pdf
>Based on current rates of divorce, 39% of couples marrying today will divorce.

webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_351693.pdf
>The fall in divorces to 2009 is consistent with a decline in the number of marriages.

oecd.org/els/family/SF3_1_Marriage_and_divorce_rate_Jan2014.pdf
>During this period, divorce rates increased in most countries. The increase in divorce rates in the United States was very small.

census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/acs/acs-30.pdf
>Americans have higher marriage rates and marry somewhat earlier. Marital disruption is higher in the United States compared with European nations. We see a pattern of marriage, divorce, and remarriage, or "marriage-go-round."

relate.org.uk/files/relate/separation-divorce-factsheet-jan2014.pdf
>42% of marriages end in divorce.
>66% of divorces were on petition of the wife.
>Of every divorce in 2011 - it was the first divorce for both partners in 70.1% of cases.

bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/NCFMR/documents/FP/FP-14-19-divorce-rate-recession.pdf
>A year-by-year examination reveals the divorce rate was increasing modestly during the years leading up to the Great Recession (2000 - 2008). This trajectory reversed in 2009 when the divorce rate dropped nearly 7% because the cunts needed their husband's money!

Cause children are beautiful, man. Sadly people think their a finacial waste... hope that's not what their parents thought of them.

I was married in the USA

wife went to gym when we met
1 year later she's gained 40+ pounds (that she will admit to)

and it just went to shit from there....

during separation she seemingly kept an apartment key and I signed a new lease, I thought she didn't have key anymore and things were done

wrong

she ran into my house one day and stole my mailbox key so she could steal our tax return check ($7,000 that we agreed to split and I would piss off and she'd never see me again)

I called the cops, they said "we can't do anything until the judge decides" and said "community property"

I told them "I signed a new lease though, she was supposed to give key back" didn't matter, cops treated me well, but their hands were tied

She changed my mailing address, even though we didn't have same last name, again, nothing could be happened

She closed out bank account and paypal (how I made money to live was selling stuff on etsy and ebay)....you guessed it nothing could be done

so after 3 months of basically abuse I decided "fuck this" got insurance on "our" car, and drove "our" car across the continent back home

lesson learned, when you're married, you can't just get up and leave someone...they can still fuck with you and as a man the cops won't do shit to help you really

The real trick is having a "right" woman (personality, looks, loyalty, single) available around you, somehow meeting her, having proper chemistry and timing in your life, being attractive to her in body and personality, and that's all without even considering your own happiness and if you'd want to be with her for life.

I haven't done terribly with women the last 8 years but I sure as fuck haven't done well enough to think I'll ever hook up with a girl worth marrying.