How France was able to get into The World War II victory club? United State used the most powerful weapon in History...

NATO didn't exist in WW2.
Besides, France never left NATO, they left the commanding and nuclear part or it, but they haven't left the organization.

>The US were planning the occupation of France during Overlord, they were already preparing taking over France territory, it was pretty much only the english who made France into the winning camp.

It was mostly De Gaulle actually
And the Soviets werent going to have any part of France regardless
Did they get a part of Italy?

Italy is a member of the WW2 victors club, sempai.

discord.gg/015FV2LHKGphREB4M
join our club

>And the Soviets werent going to have any part of France regardless
How come ? The us was printing money for their invasion of France in late 1943, there was a time were they definitely considered invading france as an enemy country, besides, they were bombing it fairly early.

The us despised De Gaulle, I can't really see how it was him that swayed things, much more logically, the brits had the us accept france participation in Overlord and afterwards.

>How come ? The us was printing money for their invasion of France in late 1943, there was a time were they definitely considered invading france as an enemy country, besides, they were bombing it fairly early.

Aaaaaand?
Did the Soviets get a part of Italy?
Did the US get a part of Romania?
Germany and Austria were shared only because they were invaded by both
It wasnt some kind of standard procedure for every invaded enemy

France was out of reach of the Red Army and therefore wouldnt have been shared

The Communist Parties in western Europe were experiencing a boom in popularity, where most people in the last 1940's concluded that the USSR played the largest role in defeating Germany. By 1947, it was not crazy to think that Communism really could be the way of the future after sizing up against Nazism and destroying it.

The US needed to give as much incentive as possible to avoid Communist governments being elected to power in France and Italy, the two biggest threats of voting them into power.

So France was allowed a spot on the victor's table, and Italy was given a very lenient terms compared to Germany and Japan. They excused that as pointing out the King Emanuel's cooperation with the allies and the resistance against Hitler's puppet government in Milan.

but Italy still came pretty close to electing a communist government, but was deterred in the end due to the Allies essentially letting Italy off the hook for WW2 save for losing their colonies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_general_election,_1953

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> resistance
> france

This. France is actually the only country to be defeated twice in the war. The Third French Republic was defeated by Germany and Vichy France was defeated by the Allies. One brigade in the British army doesn't count as "France".

Fun fact: Brazil was invited by the US army to occupy Austria, but declined.

Really, they were just handing out occupation.

Vichy France didnt intervene during the allied invasion though

So... Defeated without even trying to put up a fight? Viva la resistors.

>save for losing their colonies
And even then, they were still allowed to maintain one of them for 10 years.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_Territory_of_Somaliland

Vichy was neutral, they were not part of the Axis
They even fought Japs when they invaded Indochina

Both Italy and Romania switched sides to the winning team towards the end.

>Vichy was neutral, they were not part of the Axis
xD

>Iran was neutral they totally weren't replaced by an allied puppet government after the allied agression in the form of an invasion so as to establish the persian corridor from the us to the ussr
xD kys

It's about the importance of the country itself that makes them a Big Boy, not the actual war contribution. Of course big, important countries are expected to do a good job and France didn't, but you can't kick them out of the club just for that if you want them in your side.

That's why people saying shit about Canada or whatever in propaganda posters and stuff don't understand anything. Even today, Canada has less people than Poland, as long as there's countries like France or the UK in the team they would not be in posters or occupation areas unless they conquer all Germany and then the Soviet Union by themselves with no aid. And this is not meant to be an offence to Canadians and their brave ancestors.

I wonder why they declined.

Though if they had agreed, chances are that Brazil would have turned more expansionist from then on.

I'm more angry that the US decided to let China (initially ROC but eventually PRC) to be in the winner's table of WWII in general.

>let's establish the UN among us winners
>lol let's pad the security council with the ROC to fuck these soviet commies
>lol let's recognize the PRC to get China monies
>oh no, now the PRC is in the security council and can veto anything it wants to do as it pleases with Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau.
>how did it come to this

Meanwhile, strong allies like Japan, Korea, Germany, India and Brazil, are left with no seat at the security council, because let's fuck ourselves.

Though I guess it would have been awkward to have any of those at the security council without approving their languages as official languages of the UN (even the most irrelevant languages among the UN official languages, Russian and French, at least still work as linguas francas in certain regions).

De Gaulle whined about it to Eisenhower to changed the president's mind.

>Meanwhile, strong allies like Japan, Korea, Germany, India and Brazil, are left with no seat at the security council, because let's fuck ourselves.

there's always talk about reforming the security council to include a member from each major region. Brazil for SA, South Africa for Africa, India for South Asia.

we can only hope it become more than talk once they realize that basing the entire organization around WW2's winners is getting outdated very fast.

>Besides, France never left NATO, they left the commanding and nuclear part or it, but they haven't left the organization
This is blatantly wrong. France openly left NATO, all aspects, in '66. They only recently rejoined in 2009.

De Gaulle forced his way into it.

Basically all he did starting in 1940 was work to make sure that after the war was won, France would remain independent, sovereign, and a great power. That was the primary purpose of the Resistance, and of the Free French Forces, and De Gaulle's refusal to ever give an inch of sovereignty is what makes him so hated among Anglos. Though Churchill knew that a strong France was necessary to maintain stability in Europe. The Americans were much harder to convince, and it took getting to the verge of armed conflict for them to abandon their plans to turn France into a vassal state.

Politics and diplomacy aren't about "changing people's minds", they're about power balance. America could not afford to go on a war of conquest against France, simple as that.

Wrong. France left NATO command structure, not the mutual defence agreement.

It's called Mayence, you silly Anglo.

Maybe because reality was a bit more complicated than your meme view on history

The Soviets wouldn't accept amending the agreement to accept France so both the US and UK agreed to give France pieces of their allocated territory. THat's why its so small and East Germany became the largest slice

>psst, hey kid
>wanna take some Germans?

"Not that damaged by the war". Fucking kek.

Mostly by the allies tho