Holocaust Revisionism Thread

Let me summarize with this-- when it is subjected to scrutiny, every piece of "evidence" that supports that accepted, Raul Hilberg view of the Holocaust falls apart.

"One-Third of the Holocaust" is very good because it gives you an overall introduction to the subject and starts from the beginning.

Ironically, the man who has written the most well-researched and thorough books on WW 2-- David Irving-- was called a "Quack" after he lost his libel case in the Uk Courts against the Jewess from Emory, Deborah Lipschidtz, who has been court openly lying about "blueprints for a gas chamber" that simply never existed.

Also, as you can see from this picture, after the Zundel case, they were forced to reduce the numbers at Auschwitz by 2.5 million-- so, the obvious question, why is the overall number still 6 million and you will face jail in many pats of Europe for even questioning this?

>Was the financial aid from new York bankers of Jewish
For the Bolsheviks you mean? As has been shown, the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was funded in large part by the capitalist Jews Kohen and Loeb from Wall Street.

If you mean in the case of National Socialism, he was funded by many Jews and zionists right up until 1939.

When Churchill wrote his memoirs, he received a letter asking him to leave out the fact that much of hitler's financing had come from Jewish bankers in germany.

If you mean Zionist Cooperation with the 3rd Reich, that is yet another topic that also has much to offer if one looks into it.

Hey OP, personally I have chosen to completely skip the holocaust from my knowledge of history preferring ancient and medieval history. In the back of head I just accept that the Jews were killed but not to the extent which they claim. I personally do this because I'd rather just ignore that whole area then go on a wild goose chase to determine whos lying and who is truthful.

That being said, from someone with a very vague idea of what happened ans so on, why would the Nazis involved plead guilty if as you say the murders and abuses were nowhere near as much as those taken as dogma?

>Where I find fault is with the numbers and the idea the Jews were killed systemically and in gas chambers, which the Work of Germar Rudolph, Fred Leutchner, David Cole, and others have shown to just be false

Are you implying jews (and other populations) have not been industrially exterminated ?

>why would the Nazis involved plead guilty
One has to look at who pleaded "guilty," and the sort of things they said.

In the case of Höess (not to be confused with Hess), who was the commandant of Auschwitz, he was both horribly tortured and threats were made against his family.

If you read his testimony from the Avalon Project at Yale, one will see he makes all sorts of impossible and fantastical claims, many believe as a signal to history that he was being coerced.

I'd highly, highly recommend "One-Third of the Holocaust." Yes, it's 4 hours, but as someone with an MA in History, I can promise it a worthwhile 4 hours that will make you doubt everything you thought you knew.

It wasn't done by some White Trash, it was done by an academic in the San Fran area who has elected to remain anonymous.

As you take apart the testimony and see what thes emen were actually convicted on (take Julius Streicher, editor of Der Stümer, who was literally executed for saying mean things about the Jews).

There is so much about the war that average people just have no idea about. For what happened to Germans after the war (in Eisenhower's death camps and who were cleansed fromt he Baltic states) a great book to read is "Other Losses."
Here is the link to the Avalon Project. Again, highly suggest "One-Third of the Holocaust," which essentially proves why the holocaust and the methods and numbers claimed are literally not possible. "Truth does not fear investigation."
avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp

>In the case of Höess (not to be confused with Hess), who was the commandant of Auschwitz, he was both horribly tortured and threats were made against his family.

And your point exactly ? Could it occur to you it was maybe because he was a huge piece of shit who was lucky to still be alive at this point ?

>have not been industrially exterminated
Define "industrially." Were many killed by shooting on the Eastern front? Yes. did many die of typhus in concentration camps? Yes.

did anything resembling a sort of mechanical killing in the form of "gas chambers" exist? No.

We know this also bc after the Brits broke enigma, each morning Höess would have to send out numbers-- prisoners incoming, prisoners leaving, and prison deaths from illness and from executions. Executions were a very rare event and only for things like violence. These were sent out every morning.

Up until Germany's infrastructure was destroyed and rendered food, medicine, and hygiene products no longer available, the number was quite low.

The numbers only began to grow as disease became rampant.

also, read the above threads please. As you can see from that monument, 2.5 million deaths were wiped off Auschwitz, yet the total has remained 6 million.

How is that possible?

>Eisenhower's death camps

I like how you deny the holocasut and then go on how US had death camp.

Yawn, we have this thread every hour on Veeky Forums.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
To spare everybody the time and effort posting the same shit over and over and over:
Holocaust denial goes into

>If someone disagrees on an historical interpretation of an event, do you really think 5-8 years in jail is the answer?

In a absolute manner, no. The total freedom of speech would be excellent. BUT in reality it never works and is often counter productive because insidious elements will use it against it by asserting dangerous propositions, with an obvious political agenda. Now you sound cool and all user, with your insistance on the facts, but you can't argue that revisionism has literally the goal to minimize the impact of the Nazis' crimes, either because they're far rights idiots, or antisemitic agents who don't want to be indebted to Israel.

As for Israel, just give it some more time. In 10 years no one will defend them anymore except for americans, the public opinion is shifting since years already

>And your point exactly ?
My point is that if a man is tortured enough and his families lives are threatened, he will admit to anything to end the torture and get a quicker death.

none of the "confession" he gave stands up to scrutiny as far as what would be scientifically possible.

also, perhaps you aren't aware, but in modern Western tradition, up until Bush II the West did not "torture." That has been the semitic way of doing things, e.g. "eye for an eye, never forgive, never forget." although I'm still not convinced they have any reason for their indignation.

If you have th interest, read a book about a Jew named Solomon Morrell, a mass murder post WW 2 who killed over 300 German soldiers in his charge and Israel refused to extradite him to Poland (and yet, they want to hunt 96 year olds who worked at clerks at every concentration camp until the end of time.

>oh no the commander of a concentration camp of any faction is being tortured and hanged!
who gives a shit.
people like that deserve everything they get.
now get the fuck out of this board with your uninspired shitposting.

Holocaust skepticism belongs in Veeky Forums

Your monument is a complete strawman.

As for "industrially", you're trying to say you never heard about the systematic gassing and cremation of prisoners ? You never heard about the different experiments realized by the Nazis to replace the tedious and emotionally expensive mass killings performed by shootings in the East ? Never heard despite the colossal documentation, academic work, witnesses, etc ?

>deny the holocasut
This is the classic move. What have I, exactly, "denied?" this is your buzzword, where you twist words around to suit your purposes.

Did Jews die in WW 2? Certainly, in the Eastern front, mainly through shootings of partisans and also the local populace rounding them up to pay them back for crimes they had inflicted as part of the Bolshevik apparatus.

Jews did die, and if they'd like to call that a "holocaust," that's fine by me. However, the evidence for the numbers (as you can very clearly see, unless are you arguing that plaque photo is doctored?) does not support the numbers claimed. nor does the evidence support the "gas chambers."

Yet I "DENY.." the holocaust. You people use the language of the Inquisition, it would be funny if not so tragic.

"Do you DENY the Trinity and transsubstantiation?" And apparently you are perfectly comfortable with jailing those who disagree with your ideas.

Should I surprised?

>oh_you_were_serious_let_me_laugh_even_harder.jpg.exe
Poltard pls.

>n modern Western tradition, up until Bush II the West did not "torture." That has been the semitic way of doing things

You can't be fucking serious right ? Ever heard of Vietnam ? I'm french and every french knows our army tortured algerians during the war. Hell we even gave free lessons to the charming argentinian colonels !

>nazi be good boy dindu nuthin

>but you can't argue that revisionism has literally the goal to minimize the impact of the Nazis' crimes
The goal is to get at the truth, which I understood to be the historian's jobs.

Also, as soon as someone says "Free speech sounds good...BUT..." I automatically discard all they say.

So you are then admitting the defacto religion of most of Europe is now "Holocaustology," and to DENY that exactly 6 million died in gas chambers, that should land people in jail as heretics, correct?

God, if you knew how similar the language used is to that of the Inquisition. Somehow I doubt many here have ever been into the archives to see the transcripts. Correct?

Shitpost in /pol/ please, we made that containment board for a reason.
Besides, nobody is impressed by your
>hurr I am a Professor Doctor Scholar of 9000 degrees
claims.

>Ever heard of Vietnam
Yes, my father was a First LT who rose to Major over 3 tours. and I can assure you, institutionalized torture was never used as part of an official process to extract information which was then used to punish anyone on any official capacity as a "war criminal" on the opposing side.

See the difference? no one here really has any arguments other than appeal to emotion. Disappointing, I expected a higher level of discourse.

not only ignorant in terms of facts and sources, but just basic... essential questions that reflect on how history should be practiced.

For fucks sake, fuck off back to /pol/ with your historical revionism.

We've done this and debunked you before

desustorage.org/his/thread/509405/

I've never been to /pol/. Also, please post out which of my posts are "shit" and where you have refuted anything I've said.

Translation: "I'm not as informed as you are, so I'm going to try to discount you by saying you are a NAZI WHITE SUPREMACIST!!!"
That about sum up your argument sir?

Read and weep,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

It's been done and debunked, but you still insist on denying the numbers and facts.

Fuck off back to /pol/

your level of delusional persecution and triggered state of victimhood is far worse than anything the most orthodox white-man-hating zionist could achieve.

>you are then admitting the defacto religion of most of Europe is now "Holocaustology,"

No. The antinegationnism laws are the result of the shame and collective european responsibility, and act as a safeguard to prevent scum like you to try to come back from your brown and red mud once again.

You pretend to be on the good side because you pretend looking for the truth, except most of people don't give a shit about the objective truth. You can still work on the genocide and are free to recount every victim as you wish, but you'll need to be really prepared to defend what you argue in the name of the 'truth'.

Also since the war the numbers have been reduced to 5 to 5.5M so it's not completely fixed by the dogma as you imply.

And once last point about free speech. Japan has no laws agains negationnism and we can see how backwards they are on Nanking and such so your argument is null

tl;dr

Now if you want to talk about the tens of thousands of Nazi girls who were gang raped starting in 1945 (or was it over a million?) then let's do it.

You obviously have time on your hands OP since your ban from /pol/.

OK, then debunk me. This board is for "historical discussion," I read the rules carefully. Instead of throwing a tantrum, refute my claims.

you can't, because you don't know anything about the subject, so all you can do is throw a tantrum because someone is providing information that falls outside your comfort zone.

Notice, no one here has attacked or questioned my sources. So far, the arguments have been...YOU ARE A NAZI!...WHAT'S WORNG WITH TORTURE! ...I DON"T BELIEVE YOUR STATED CREDENTIALS! [Though apparently I know a hell of a lot more than anyone here, would you agree?]

Would you agree?

>thinks he is informed
>thinks we are calling you a Nazi
>thinks he isn't shitposting the same meme every day
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Thanks for the laugh, at first I thought you might be baiting but you are indeed serious about your delusions of grandeur.

I've been studying this subject for 10 years. Giving me a wikipedia article and claiming I'm should "go back to pol...does that tactic usually work when you are utterly outclassed, in a subject you know clearly know nothing about?

>debunk me
for starters, the person making a claim has to prove it with sources that are not some blog, but since it is your first day outside /pol/ I forgive you this time.

>I've been studying this subject for 10 years
that doesn't give you any weight in this topic at all.
I too can claim I have studied quantum mechanics for the past 900 years and Newton stole my apple, but that doesn't make it so.

>d to prevent scum like you
wow, now come the ad hominems. You sure must be confident in your knowledge of this subject, user.

you still refuse to directly address a single point I've made, other than in spirit agreeing with the idea that men who come to different historical conclusions should be imprisoned.

Correct? I bet in your little echo box here, you've never had someone who genuinely knows the sources before. I can understand your frustration.

Should I have attached a "Trigger Warning?" would that have made you more comfortable user?

>institutionalized torture was never used as part of an official process to extract information which was then used to punish anyone
>my father was a hero

How are you so sure he didn't rape that 12 years old viet girl user ?

We have a shit ton of testimonies from vets telling us how they didn't see viets as humans and killed people for nothing.

Also, good job on dodging the Algerian bullet. Shows how you're full of shit and prefer arguing about "semitic ways of things' rather than admitting every country can be barbaric. Shows your intellectual honesty very well

If you, as you claimed in your original post so well briefed on the subject you'd know damn well no-one claims 6 million were gassed.
You'd also know of the thousands of documents prooving Einsatzgruppen atrocities all over Eastern Europe, you'd know of the Vrba-Wetzler report and the Pilecki Report from Auschwitz during its operational period.
How do you counter these documents without resorting to the usual Naziboos argument of "Jews"?

>ban from /pol/.
I've never been to pol, sorry. Do I converse like someone who frequents pol?

Is that really your only resort? Ad hominems when you are clearly outclassed by someone far more knowledgeable than you are?

Holocaust revisionism probably exists because 90% of Nazi warcrime photos are propaganda. So people start to ask "what other things did they lie about"

>he didn't rape that 12 years old viet girl user
Again, ad hominems. Perhaps he did. Perhas he raped infants before bayoneting them. but I can tell yuo as an historical fact he didn't do so witht he intent of obtaining information that was later used ad part of a tribunal to hold the leaders of the NVA responsible for War Crimes.

See the difference?

>outclassed
>knows nothing of the subject
>gives you an article that debunks all forms of holocaust denial as it cites sources

I wish I can be as """"""euphoric"""""" as you, /pol/fag.

>trigger warning

All right, thanks for the laugh user. Either way arguing with you is like arguing with religious people. What you believe in your pathetic, irrational hate (fear ?) of the jew is as strong as the blind belief in an absent god and nothing will change your views because you're intellectually dishonest and put your ideology and agenda before the reality

>>/pol/

Ah okay, killing people out of pure fucking meanness is okay then. Still waiting your input on French torturing Algerians though.

>Do I converse like someone who frequents pol?

You converse like someone trying very hard to sound like they are not from /pol/. But the content is all /pol/ memes.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program
>The Program was designed to identify and "neutralize" (via infiltration, capture, terrorism, torture, and assassination) the infrastructure of the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam

See the difference ?

Because ultimately you're a holocaust denier, and holocaust deniers are found on /pol/.

nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/goebbels-joseph/goebbels-1948-excerpts-01.html

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg

nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

quora.com/Is-there-physical-scientific-proof-that-Jews-were-gassed-to-death-in-Nazi-concentration-camps

m.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Archeologist-at-Treblinka-Nazi-death-camp-finds-evidence-of-gas-chambers-346947#article=0RUMxQjA0QTE2NURGNzE2Qzc4QUNCMjEzOEVGNDg3NUU=

haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.540880?v=287CF32191027E8B9EBBCF25BAAED899

Seems to be a waste of ten years if your argument has been debunked time and time again.

>no-one claims 6 million were gassed
Yes, that is the official party line, as per European law. In Germany, you will be jailed for claiming that less than 6 million Jews died.
Are you seriously going to claim Pilecki holds any merit-- a Polish partisan coached into saying what he wanted? Has been debunked over and over.
Wetzler? Dictated by 2 slovak Jews? YEs, as we've seen, no one from that period has ever lied.

Such as the Girl who lived with wolves for years after escaping fromt he evil Nazis, Rosenblatt, Werneck...that's all bullshit, and if you're intellectully honest you know that. Both of those documents magically appeared in 1944, and the latter has neve even been offically established as to whether it was written, dicated...was not even admitted at the kangaroo trials. Know why?

>You converse like someone trying very hard to sound like they are not from /pol/. But the content is all /pol/ memes.

/thread

really sad how pathetic poltards can get with their love of being victims.

>hitting that hard

Wew user, you go all out. Are you sure he's worthy ?

>In Germany, you will be jailed for claiming that less than 6 million Jews died.

Give me some examples of people being jailed for saying there were less than 6 millions jews killed and only that.

>6 million were gassed
>Yes, that is the official party line, as per European law
it is not
why do you lie on the internet

>no being able to stay coherent in more than one sentence

No one claims that 6M jews were gassed because that's wrong. However, what is the common official line is that the total number of jews exterminated BY DIFFERENT MEANS during the war amounts to 5.5M, and that takes into account the shootings, the diseases, the gassings, etc

>French torturing Algerians
I never specialized in that or studied extensively, and though torture was certainly used, again, it was not used as the basis for an intertnational tribunal which has cost the Germans over 130 billion dollars since the terms were first dictated to the Western germans by Nahum Goldman.

Poor analogy. Not one one of you knows anything about this subject, do you? all you can do is accuse me of being part of "pol," imply that I'm some sort of Nazi, not stand for freedom of speech but stand for torture...you are a sad bunch of people.

Sad, I can deal with, but you're intellectually deficient. I haven't even had to rely on any bookmark because I've been able to recite everything here from memory, bc all you can do is tell me I'm a bad person for wanting facts.

I guess it's a bit of a shock not to encounter a piece of White Trash, but someone with 2 graduate degrees?

Holocaust denial is up there with moon landing hoax and 9/11 conspiracy as far as retards who want attention.

>ultimately you're a holocaust denier
There is your buzz word again. Please, explain the criterion for being a Holocaust DENIER.

I don't throw links at you, I give you information. form memory. Why can't you do the same?

You're a poor excuse for any sort of student of history.

Yep, you're from Pol.

So fucking transparent, no credible argument just "Jews!" and willfully ignorant or possibly retarded.

> Yes, that is the official party line, as per European law. In Germany, you will be jailed for claiming that less than 6 million Jews died.

you are willingly spreading false statements AND you claim to have "studied" this for 10 years?
/pol/ never change please, who else could we make fun of if it wasn't for your hilarious retardation.

>"pol"
>what is "pol"
>what are you talking about ?

No, acts torture was not used against France in a tribunal because it lost the war against a colony and not the whole world so no one came to tell them to fuck off, but that still completely demolishes your bullshit about the west never using torture before Bush. Jesus fucking christ, seriously...

>holocaust denial
>claims others are poor students of history

Holy shit my sides

>Americans never tortured in Vietnam

I'm still not beyond this shit so for anyone wanting so gruesome juice about what they did, here's for you

>Methods of alleged torture said to have been used at the interrogation centers include:

Rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock ('the Bell Telephone Hour') rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the 'water treatment'; the 'airplane' in which the prisoner's arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners.

>ou converse like someone trying very hard to sound like they are not from /pol/. But the content is all /pol/ memes.
This is literally all you have when you encounter an intellectual superior with a non-kosher opinion, isn't it? Ad hominems suggesting I'm a part of a group on this site of whom you disapprove.

no one has been able to provide any solid facts from memory, they link "wikipedia" articles. 15 of you at once, and not a singl eone has even tried to explain why-- ith the plaques at Auschwitz changed to reduce the numbers by 2.5 million-- that number isn't reflected in the overall total.

i surrender. clearly, you are my intellectual superiors (calling names, suggesting unpleasant associations and giving links to wikipedia is a great argumentative technique...can I use that from now on?)

go back to studying, and stop acting like any of you know anything. you don't. 15 against one, and I've throughly hided each one of you without resorting to having to look up a thing.

LMAO, no wonder you losers are here, you could never cut it in academia or law, tha tmuch I could say with certainty.

You win. Clearly, I'm the Nazi here(as you defend torture and imprisonment for intellectual beliefs!)
Sieg Heil.

If you weren't /pol/, you wouldn't have started this thread with a picture of a guy in maximum security surrounded by zionists wearing riot armor.

11 years of school evidently didn't teach you that perception is an important part of an argument.

nothing to see here
/pol/cat

>gets BTFO

Good fuck off, we never liked historical revisionists like you anyway.

>we
You don't speak for me

The denial runs deeper than just the holocaust in this one.

>/pol/, they were mean to me!

>go back to studying, and stop acting like any of you know anything. you don't. 15 against one, and I've throughly hided each one of you without resorting to having to look up a thing.
OH THE VICTIMHOOD, IT BURNS STRONG

> LMAO, no wonder you losers are here, you could never cut it in academia or law, tha tmuch I could say with certainty.
yeah you are right, go back to your mansion where your 9000 wifes wait to shower you in BJs, we will dwell in our shithole :(

>why is nobody agreeing with my echochamber shitposting, you are mean, I leave!!11!
and stay out, you triggered butmad shitposter.

Then I speak on behalf of the people who don't like historical revisionists:

FUCK
OFF

Screencapped, haven't seen asshurt like this in a long time

>15 against 1
I'm Don't lump me in with the rest of these fags, I don't know how so many of them popped up (le JIDF meme) but to an outsider it's clear that a majority of their attacks lack any substance whatsoever.

>muh plaque
>ITS THE PROOF THE KIKES HAVE BEEN LYING TO US JUST OPEN YOUR EYES

(You)

Link me to the discussion of those people designating you as the person who can speak on their behalf

>why-- ith the plaques at Auschwitz changed to reduce the numbers by 2.5 million
because contrary to the opinion of retards, historicla research and scientific inquiry of the holocaust was, is, and will be happening, and bring new or revised results

>gets absolutely devastated
>won't acknowledge sources that are PEER reviewed and primary and still tries to deny the holocaust.

Thats morally wrong
See:

Oh boy I wonder why Veeky Forumstorians are annoyed at the hourly "/pol/tard denies holocaust and Jews are to blame for everything" thread?
Hmmm why could that be?
Is it the same links and pictures over and over since they are copied directly from their echo chamber board?
Is it the delusions and victim complex?
The aggressive and mad responses once they get called on their bullshit?
Their angry tears when they encounter opposition outside their hugbox board?
What a mystery!

No it's just retarded, see

I agree but stop typing like an estrogen fueled faggot lad

Complete mystery to me, comrade!

It's not like their narrow minded rascists and edge lords who rely on outdated information and forged documents.

Point out the "same links and pictures" please, use the archive as a source

Newfag detected.

Why is pointing out the "same links and pictures" so difficult for you?

Oh sorry, I will try to type more manly from now on.
Could you post a pic of your muscles and beard so I can have some inspiration?

>comrade
At least put some meat on the hook.

Is this your first rodeo?

Here's one

cant bring proofs!
checkm9 atheists!
i bet the jews are behind this >:(
LOLOCAUST amirite?

What's wrong with using the archive?

Holy shit the retardation appears in the first few lines, thanks for the laugh

It doesn't contain deleted threads you mouthbreathing newfag.

Yes it does

>being this new
Mild chuckle.
Anyway have a nice day, another fun thread.