So I've been reading about Ostsiedlung. Tell me something, Veeky Forums...

So I've been reading about Ostsiedlung. Tell me something, Veeky Forums, why wasn't the region modernly known as Czechia also colonized? It kinda feels like German migrants randomly stop wandering to that region in particular, but everywhere else nearby.

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Jesus, where is this map from? It's almost as retarded as

From wikipedia, why?

OK, so I found the author of this map
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kuhn

Yes, you could see that in the wikipedia page. Who cares? And what does this have to do with what I was asking in the OP?

You could at least tell us what bothers you about this map. Just claiming it is 'retarded' doesn't help anyone, does it?

>Who cares?
If you're interested in the subject, you should. It's a heavily politicized and controversial topic, anything that was written about it before the year 2000 should be put into the trash.

Anyways, your feeling that Bohemia was somehow omitted by settlement movement of 13-14th century is not correct. There were easily more german speaking settlers in Bohemia than in Upper Silesia, Upper Hungary or Prussia.

The reason for the German migration to the East was overpopulation. Due to the shrinking of the population caused by the black death the settlement stopped before Czechia was colonized.

The reason was both, overpopulation in Germany and underpopulation in the east. That's why the German settlers were invited.
Bohemia was more developed and populated than Poland. So they needed fewer German settlers.

But only in the closer parts of Bohemia to the Empire, right? So I guess I'm asking, with all the movements where the Germans went pretty far, why did they stay close in Bohemia?

>So they needed fewer German settlers.
Ah! I see now. Thanks.
German history is quite interesting.

Bohemia was already highly populated and there was some big hills in the way.

they didn't there was just already a lot of Czechs so they couldn't overcome them in the Bohemian heartland

It automatically made me think of 19th century prussian historiography, and I wasn't all that far from truth. It's obviously motivated by author's political sympathies, not by an objective research.

In places like Bohemia or Central Poland the local population was pretty high compared to the settlers so the Germans formed minority communities or were assimilated. In other places were the Slavic population was relatively low (East Germany, Austria) the locals were assimilated into the German settler community.

>But only in the closer parts of Bohemia to the Empire
I wouldn't say so. In general they moved into undeveloped areas owned by important patrons (Cistercian Order, king, highest church officials). For example, this person championed significant colonization effort in Moravia:
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_von_Schauenburg

>germans settled in the border between czechia and slovakia
so that's why they don't see eachother as the same

So what is your criticism? What does your map show?

It was colonized but every German (14 million) was expelled from the Slavic countries after WW2.

Oh weh, muh 14 trillion innocent Germans :(

What? There were countles innocents, for example there was no reason the expel them for Hungary or Romania, where they didn't collaborate and most of them had Hungarian/Romanian mother tongue.

>all this just because some Prussian autists wanted better looking borders

don'ye know about Hungary but no germans were expelled from Romania

91000 until 1948 (this is a huge number for 350k minority), and later Chauchesku continued it.

Chauchesku fucking sold them to the West

To be fair, being kicked out by Chauchesku must jave been better than to be kept by Chauchesku.

they willingly emigrated to West Germany and later Germany
during the late 70s and the 80s they even paid large sums of money to do so

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I know that they willingly did so, but honestly who wouldn't run form the Chauchesku regime if they had a chance?

I still consider it a genocide, an 800 year old culture, language was lost.

And don't forget that even before communism they had a pretty shit time in Romania, their land was taken away, no autonomy was granted etc.

Roughly, in 100 years Romania slowly erased them.

only the wealthy ones lost land in the land reform which was an attempt to create a modern society. and autonomy was really rare in the 20s and 30s.
most left because of communism (after the war many were sent in camp on ukraine to work as war reparation and by the late 70s Ceausescu was looking as the modern reformist leader he was in the previous decade) and economic as the economy was showing signs of stagnation. western propaganda was really important as it seemed alluring while communist propaganda about the west wasn't functioning as intended (communists were always bad at propaganda)

The website of the organization of Transylvanian Saxons in Germany states that most Germans lost their land (including houses) on the basis of their alleged "Hitlerism"...

but most people in romania lost their lands due to collectivization and all political adversaries suffered. the germans just got some special treatment during the la 40s and early 50s due to their association with the nazis and maybe because of their compact communities

Everyone knows but the thread wasnt about that but the medieval time before.

Because Bohemia had little free land to spare.

They should've been sterilised in advance desu.

Fuck off to pol.