Arab "race"

Indian here,

Last time I went to Dubai I noticed that a lot of Arabs had my skin tone and also kinda looked Indian in terms of features. Is it because we mixed with you or you mixed with us?

Could you expand? What are Arabs?

An Arab is someone who speaks Arabic as their mother tongue.

Whether they're from North Africa, Iraq or Bahrain, they're considered Arabs because Arab is a linguistic group.

Sorry to break it for ya buddy, but there are more Indians in Dubai than there are indiginous people from Dubai.

Only the purplish-pink on the Arabian Peninsula are actually Arabs. The rest are Berbers/Tuareg, Egyptians, Levantines, Sudanese, ect.

Then how did Arabic come to be? Through the Islamic conquest, or just a random unification of some semitic nations?

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Conquest and trade.

More of the first one towards the beginning, more of the second one later on.

Those are some big honkers

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In short, Islam and the Abbasids. Mozarabic was spoken in Islamic Iberia and was a mix of a Romance language and Arabic, for example. These people were not Arabs despite speaking a semi-Arabic language.

Then the language primarily spoken in the Levant before the Islamic conquest would be assyrian, and aramaic right?

they're fake.

Australoid Negritors and Melanesian are genetically they're on group and they're more distant from niggers than they are from Asians or even Europeans (genetically), the only asinine thing here is you.

God I love gifs like that, they summarize everything so nicely. Thanks user :)

Basically, no, everyone who speaks Arabic is not an Arab. Only Bedouins and Arabian Arabs are.

Think of Arab more as a cultural group.

You have Berber and Moorish people in North Africa and Levantines in the Levant, but both areas are considered part of the Arab World because they speak Arabic and follow Arab traditions.

PS: Mia Khalifa isn't arab

So Arabic culture expanded and erased a great deal of other surrounding cultures, but it was an easier transition for Levantines as their languages were semitic, thus closer to Arabic than other conquered areas, which would explain why Turkish and Persian language have survived, is my assumption correct?

She's a Christian Lebanese, she got popular only because of this reason.

>erased

"Absorbed" is the more correct term. And each region usually has something that ties them to the original populus i.e. the levant's dance Dabke can be traced back to Phoenicians and Egyptians have the Zaffa at Weddings which can be traced to Pharonic times.

I'm going to deviate a bit, but I'll tell you something that I find pretty funny, Arabic language hasn't changed a bit since the spread of Islam. If Islam didn't become a thing, today's arabic would be equivalent to European languages from the middle ages. Is it the only instance where language has remained static for almost 1 and a hald millenia? How do languages actually change? I'm talking about the scripture, how are new words added, some letters edited?

No, the Turks formed their own empires/kingdoms Rum and the Seljuk Empire respectively (Rum eventually becoming the Ottoman Empire). Turkish survived and replaced the Greek languages spoken in Anatolia. Modern Turks are mostly Anatolian natives with some Turkic blood.

Persian survived because it was the language of the courts of Central Asia.

First off, yes classical Arabic is still spoken today although in a liturgical sense. The Arabic language has actually changed significantly in that MSA is only used in things like books and news but all countries use "dialects' where some are actually intelligible to one another (Moroccan springs to mind).

And it changes the same way any other language changes, either they borrow the word from another language or something gradually develops based on sub cultures.

I'm pretty sure Mandarin has been codified for quite some time, as far as old languages go.

Arab, as a term, means Arabic-speaking peoples. Arabs only come from Arabia. So Yemenis, Saudis, Omani, Bahraini. but even then, they were just called Arabs, and were tribes who originated from the Peninsula.

The term Across the rest of the middle east, you get a complex mix and remixing and ebb and flow of ethnic groups all across the region. Major groups, like Greeks, Copts, Berbers, Persians, were lumped together, but even those groups were not lumped together. Those groups had their own cultures, and even within those groups, they considered themselves different ethnic groups. Persians are a great example of this. Persia is one medium province in what is considered the Persian Empire.

Ethnic groups, race, ect, are outdated concepts created by European Nationalism in the 1800s. They mean nothing scientifically or objectively, and many of the lines between cultures, language, and identity blur. they're all fluid, not solid lines in the sand.

>with some Turkic blood
Try zero Turkic blood. Finnish are more Turkic than Anatolians.

I don't understand Turanists. Besides language, there is nothing else that connects real Turkmen to Anatolians. The cultures are completely different too.

>She's a Christian Lebanese
Like how Persia Pele is straight from Iran?

The porn industry will lie about ethnicity in order to make things more "exotic". Don't fall victim to their lies.

I agree with She doesn't look like a Christian Levantine whatsoever. She looks more Pakistani than anything

There is Turkic blood in Anatolia. It's just not a lot.

Kek Somalians are more Arab than Egyptians

I think people would know if she was fake. That being said, her ethnic-ness is her only mainstream appeal. She ain't that great.
Christian? Did all the Christians in the Middle East adopt Arab names? Khalifa is an Arab surname.

I suppose you do have a point, it's just that the idea of ethnicity has been ingraved in my and many others' heads, outdated it may be, but it helps us lump people up, and arrange them to fit our understanding. The line between us is indeed blurry :)

Christian Arabs are a thing.

Lebanon wasn't Arab.

True so ?

I'm fine with that. Gulf arabs are absolutely annoying as sin.

>The cultures are completely different too.
Anatolian culture is extinct. The only thing left is Turkish culture.

Cultures of Turkey and real Turks like Turkemenistan are completely different. Turkey is more Middle-Eastern than actually Turkic.

Lavantine, especially in Lebanon, look extremely diverse. She looks exactly like my cousin, a full blooded Lebanese female born of parents that immigrated from Lebanon.

>They're caucasians

Which means nothing. Might as well group them up by the bumps on their head.

>I do wish people wouldn't make up more races than necessary

The term Arab has way more social meaning than the term Caucasian.

>but we don't because that's asinine

No, actual smart and well read people realize that the list you made is meaningless, a grouping done to lump all historically dominant peoples under the same umbrella as Europeans, who were the most ethnocentric people at the time of the making of these groupings. All science, history, and sociology scholars disregard this concept as outdated and backward.

When you watch Mia Khalifa, is it her you see or your cousin?

>Neckbeard opinion attatched to the end

Is this what trolling looks like on Veeky Forums?

Your opinion is literally nothing more that arbitrarily deciding which sort of grouping's you like and which ones you don't.

>all

That's not really what I'm getting at.

Those 3 groupings are heavily flawed though.

>Khalifa is an Arab surname
Mia Khalifa is her porn name dumbass.

sure, but to care about these things or go into depth on the subject is futile

There is no "Arab race"

As other anons have said:

1) Caucasoid
2) Mongoloid
3) Negroid

1a) Scandinavian
1b) Germanic
1c) Iranic (Irano-Afghan)
1d) Mediterranean
1e) Slavic
1f) Levantine (Syrian, Jordanian, Jewish)
1g) Other (Saudi's, Yemenis, etc...)

It's funny how many death threats Mia Khalifa received from Lebanon for being such a slut.

It's hard to feel any sympathy for either side to be honest.

> why a huge number of Levantines are white
White is not a race, but probably due to Hittite/Mitanni/Persian/Greek/Roman admixture.
>what ethnical group did the Levantines belong to before the islamic conquest 1400 years ago
Aramaic.
No breaking them up is silly. Race is a social construct (yes), so we can, and should split them as long as it is useul for understanding human variation.
Non-black people are nested within blacks (it think, close to what you call "African Negro", i.e. Congoid/Niloid), so blacks should be split anyway.

Arab ethnicity spread with Islam. Egyptians and Assyrians, for instance, did not identify as Arabs before then.

Are all caucasians white? Do you have a graph that shows the variations of caucasians in Europe? Thanks for the info btw :)

What the hell could she have possibly done to deserve that?

Stop posting you ignorant retard.

Quickly, find something that objectively refutes him, then he'll ditch the thread.

Don't underestimate the power of Arab Stupidity my friend.
- A Palestinian user

Was what he said wrong?

Don't take the info on face value, just speculation on my part. True of everything you read on Veeky Forums, really.
I'd prefer to use the term Europoid, as both "Caucasian" and "White" are loaded. I think there are transitional populations that are at least partially Europoid, but don't have white skin.

No. In fact, those following the Christian Churches in those countries still do not identify as Arabs. Syriac Christians identify as Assyrians, and Egyptian Christians identify as Copts; they never converted to Islam, so they never assumed the mantle of Arab identity, even though they obviously speak Arabic.

Cool, didn't know about that, but if they speak Arabic they are considered Arabs, since the identity is tied linguistically. I have heared that a minority of christian syrians still hold on to the almost extinc assyrian and aramaic languages.

>but if they speak Arabic they are considered Arabs, since the identity is tied linguistically
By that standard, Armenian Indians are English

> I have heared that a minority of christian syrians still hold on to the almost extinc assyrian and aramaic languages.
They use it very often in Liturgy, as the Copts use Coptic very often in Liturgy. If you ask them, "Are you an Arab?" You will a firm "no" in response, and they will state they are "Assyrian" or "Coptic".

*American Indians

>By that standard, Armenian Indians are English

Actually, by that standard American Indians are Germanic. English is a national identity, not a linguistic one. And American Indians, by virtue of speaking a Germanic language as their first language are Germanic.

>And American Indians, by virtue of speaking a Germanic language as their first language are Germanic
I seriously doubt they'd agree.

By your standards only Arabs from the Arabian peninsula are true Arabs. The only difference between christian syrians and muslim ones, is that one group fell under the pressure of muslim leadership while the other didn't. So the only difference is religion and not ethnicity

>So the only difference is religion and not ethnicity
Arabic ethnicity outside Arabia is almost completely derived from religion. I don't mean that all Arabs are Muslims, but the Arab identity is as closely bound up with the religion as the Jewish ethnicity is with Judaism.

So? They're still part of the linguistic identity.

I think I'd understand analogy with the jews if I was more informed about them :/ , but I think I sort of get it.

Which from both their perspective and perspective of their prospective states, is not enough to make them ethnically Arabs.

maybe historically, but over the past couple centuries it's taken on a more secular meaning for arabic speaking peoples.

*respective states

Not really, as demonstrated by the fact that the Orthodox Christians in those countries absolutely do not identify as Arabs and consider the identity a form of imperialism being used as a weapon to destroy their culture and heritage.

a lot of the early Arab Nationalists were Orthodox. Zureiq and George Antonius come to mind. Otherwise the only two christian groups that don't consider themselves arab are the copts and Assyrians, but they aren't Orthodox. All the Christians I've personally met from Lebanon, Syria, or Jordan have always considered themselves arabs.

>copts and Assyrians, but they aren't Orthodox
They're both Oriental Orthodox

ok, well assyrians don't speak arabic and coptics still pretend to speak coptic so they get a pass. Most other Christians in the Middle east identify as arabs though.

Assyrians speak Arabic except in liturgy.

Why must arabs/muslims denegrate women?
Maybe instead of trying to find knowledge on pseudo scientific "race" theories you can read a bit about shame and honour societies.

OP here
Ohhh snap, you're paving way to an internet fight huh, sorry grandpa, but I'm not going to get into an argument with you. I'll leave you with this instead, my inquiry regarding "race" is purely educational and not some sort of imaginary race race, I'm just curious of my heritage, and the cultural mixing that has brought me and many others here today. Please fucking sue me.
P.S. don't fucking patronize me, I have nothing against the cunt.

There used to be extensive arab-indian trade for thousands of years before the British empire stopped it and industrialization and cheap oil killed the rest. Look up stuff like the kuwaiti pearl industry, which used to trade extensively with India, but was no longer profitable when they realized they could just stick a hose in the ground and get oil

yep. Moreso aramaic around roman times and when Jesus was alive. Also, because of alexander's conquest, greek had some appeal, but normal people wouldn't know it.

>implying both do not originate from the ancient veddoid stock

this made me squat and deposit kekkels in the steet

pic related is the original arab yemenite

also elamites from ME migrated to India to cause more confusion

Oh who fucking cares

so asians are all from veddoids?

you guys need to know the difference between العرب العاربه and العرب المستعربه
if you belong to a well-known tribe you are an Arab. it always been this way and honestly I never considered Lebanese, Egyptians etc.. as Arabs

Also in the gulf countries Arabs are dvide based on their tribes
1- Arabian Arabs they still exists
2- Arabized Arabs NOT Egyptians or Syrians some tribes in the gulf countries belong to this group
3- Ancient Arabs tribes no longer exists due to tribal wars

>Egyptian Christians identify as Copts
Ever seen their heraldry?
It's full on "we identify with everything pre-islamic in this country".

>The cross represents Christianity, the Copts' religion. The blue color stems from the Egyptian sky and water. It also reminds the Copts of their persecution, when some of Muslim rulers forced their ancestors to wear heavy crosses around their necks until their necks became blue.
>The top of the coat of arms is decorated with Coptic crosses intertwined with lotus flowers, representing Egyptian identity. Coptic crosses are made of four arms equal in length, each of which is crossed by a shorter arm (a form of the heraldic "Cross Crosslet"). They are different from the Latin cross that possesses three short arms and a longer arm. The lotus flower, also known as the Egyptian White Water-lily (Nymphaea lotus), is one of ancient Egypt's most highly regarded flowers. It used to represent creation and resurrection, for it disappears under water after sunset, then resurfaces and blooms at dawn. An ancient Egyptian creation myth states that the first thing to have been born from the watery chaos of the beginning of time was a giant lotus flower, which, on the first day of creation, gave birth to the sun.

3/4 Lebanese Christian 1/4 Coptic great going on here. A lot of Copts associate themselves with original Egyptians. Copts also tend to look different than most Muslims in Egypt. I've read somewhere they have a lot of Greek blood in them due to mixing with the Greek communities. They also tend to look Greek.

There's more genetic variety in africa than the rest of the world combined. So if anything, non-blacks should be one race and blacks should be subdivided into multiple races.

lel are you trying to trigger greeks? they look exactly like other egyptians

>They also tend to look Greek
>not a single person has curly hair

That looks like an akhdam with straight hair.

>Ancient Arabs tribes
arent there qhatanites that still exist today?