Neolithic obsidian trade

Pray tell o wise one, how did it become colonised then?

So how did pacific islanders colonise the pacific islands? They are known to have been excellent seafarers.

Ever heard of the Spanish?

They were populated by Portuguese slavers who brought them there, genius.

Neolithic people were much more advanced than you think.

Writing is an entirely different thing. It took 200,000 years for humanity to invent writing, and, bear in mind, its believed that prehistoric man was actually more intelligent than we are today.

It is, you have to build a vessel which requires superior intelligence, take note that these people didn't even know how to write, a fucking 6 year old can write, hell, I've even heard of 3 years old who learned how to write.

These people were so stupid they couldn't literally even write down anything.

You are so uneducated. They colonised the pacific islands before the Spanish had even met them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation

The average Iq of a 6 year old is 80.

The average 6 year old can write and read.

The average prehistorical person couldn't write or read.

What do you think his IQ was?

I'm willing to say no more than 56, like nowadays Australian aboriginals or Pygmies.

You realize any idiot with some spare time can write bullshit on Wikipedia, yes?

I'm not believing a word written in that site.

If i dumped you in a forest with an amazon tribe you could get to the age you are now and still wouldn't have invented writing or reading or know how to write or read.

Writing is a difficult concept for people who've never used it, who live in oral cultures.

Theres a huge list of references at the bottom

This is surely trolling.

>Writing is a difficult concept for people who've never used it, who live in oral cultures.
>writing is a difficult concept

I learned how to write in a few months when I was 6, fucking SIX, get this through your head, how the fuck is it a difficult concept?

Dumbass.

This is truly retarded

And?

You know any idiot can write books about whatever, I want scientific proofs, give me one of these Polynesian vessels, one dated to before the arrival of the Europeans, there is none, this is the only truth I know.

You were taught literacy by people who knew literacy because of thousands of years of writing. If you were born 10,000 years ago you would never know literacy

I learned how to read and write at 4 so you much be a special kind of dumb though.

I can't understand this. Does the faggot in this thread really believe that ancient people couldn't sail away from the coast or that they couldn't handle going from Sardinia to Majorca?

Yes its a conspiracy theory that polynesians colonised the pacific on their own boats. The reality is that theyre all mentally retarded with 56 IQ who couldnt do anything until the white man did it for them.

And everybody up until 6000 years ago was so dumb with 56 IQ that they couldnt even invent writing. But then the brain revolution happened, but only in white people, where we all learned how to read and write and make proper boats

This is what you believe.

Wow.

"sardinia could never have been colonised before the renaissance".

I've seen some really idiotic shit said on Veeky Forums but I'd just like to congratulate you on being possibly the most idiotic, ignorant, or plain delusional motherfucker I've yet encountered.

I presume the renaissance italians went there and built 7,000 bronze age structures for fun did they?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuragic_civilization

honestly, you take the prize for most delusional bullshit I've heard in a long time.

Theres some seriously retarded people in the world. I once argued with someone who believed every single woman with breasts larger than a C cup had fake implants. Perhaps they were a flat chested girl in hindsight.

Normally people are taught in first grade how to read and write, so fuck you you spineless shit.

Either way, you do realize it's not a difficult concept to invent if you have a language, right?

The problem is these dumb shits probably didn't even speak, I'm willing to bet that they grunted like pigs or more realistically like gorillas/chimps, language came to be in Mesopotamia and Egypt and was spread from there.

The only explanation i can find is that their brains were too underdeveloped for language or maybe it wasn't in their culture at all, though these people who are known now as Cromagnons weren't modern humans physically, but rather evolved hominids, so i think the cause was physical, their brains just weren't developed enough for the task of language.

OP of this thread is a genuine moron, move along folks.

You are the least intelligent poster to grace this board.

ONE HUNDRED KILOMETERS BY BOAT IS IMPOSSIBLE BEFORE THE RENAISSANCE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Man this one is almost as good as the guy whose girlfriend sold his authentic manuscripts at a garage sale.

Realtalk how difficult is it to canoe 200ish miles of Open Mediterranean water?
I have no idea.

It would have been larger than a canoe. It would only about 1-2 days, you only need to go vaguely east, north, west or south, which is easy by the sun, and then once you find the coast you can navigate better from experience.

Literally impossible because there's no coast to be seen.

You don't deserve my answer
You wrote this bullshit yourself?
Wikipedia sure is unreliable.

Give me one single Polynesian vessel and I'll give you the argument
Not until the the modern era.

the average iq for every age group is 100

This glorified canoe under optimum wind conditions should do it in eight hours or so.

Impossible until the spanish

Then how did the Vikings find America?

Yes, good luck without any coast to be seen for miles in the open sea with that

This

You do realise people can navigate using the sun, moon and stars.

The Vikings weren't around when Columbus discovered America, please go to for your revisionist theories and conspiracies.

>Either way, you do realize it's not a difficult concept to invent if you have a language, right?

And yet, it took humans at least 100,000 years to go from walking out of africa, to the first recorded writing...

incidentally, I bet you're going to start talking about IQ again. you do realise that trying to measure past people by IQ is fundamentally flawed?
you for instance, would be considered a complete moron in the neolithic for your completely inability to know how to split a flint to make a sharpened arrowtip.
You probably would be looked on as an imbecile in renaissance europe, because you dont know the Humours and how they alter a person's health...

Actual intelligence has not changed. my brain is no greater than an average person in 1500, or 1500BC. My education is far better. but my intellectual ability to use logic, or observe, is no different.

the fact that you dont understand that fact, unfortunately, tends to show that you're the one who is below average, not the people you're going on about having a "56 IQ".

Ur a epic troll tard and here's your (you)

Actually the Moors were the first to built those, they used them in the Finno-Korean war to great effect.

No we're really in pseudo scientific territories, how would they use the sun if even today we can't use its energy at best?

Let alone the fucking stars who are light years away.

Yes, sure, they used solar panels 6 thousand years ago, do you even re-read your posts before posting them?

Are people in these board just a bunch of retards?
I don't get it.

Tell me how the hell people used the sun and stars to navigate in the stone age.

Human vision in infinite m8

>Wikipedia sure is unreliable.

>Hurr. I herd wikipedia is all false. Its true, I read it in Microsoft Encarta!

Seriously? Have you ever heard of the word "citation" or "reference" ? the references are there. Here you go, since you're too dumb to look for them, here's some:

La Sardegna nuragica, (2013,) M.Pittau, Edizioni della Torre, Cagliari

Gli antichi sardi fra I "Popoli del mare", (2011), M.Pittau, Domus de Janas editrice, Selargius

Sardegna preistorica, dagli antropomorfi ai telamoni di Monte Prama, Sa 'ENA, (2011), F.Laner, Condaghes editrice, Cagliari

Le torri, i metalli, il mare, P. Bernardini, (2010), Carlo Delfino Editore, Sassari

Navarro i Barba, Gustau (2010). La Cultura Nuràgica de Sardenya. Barcelona: Edicions dels A.L.I.LL. ISBN 978-84-613-9278-0.

Montalbano, Pierluigi (July 2009). SHRDN, Signori del mare e del metallo. Nuoro: Zenia editrice. ISBN 978-88-904157-1-5.

Foddai, L. (2008). Sculture zoomorfe. Studi sulla bronzistica figurata nuragica. Cargeghe: Biblioteca di Sardegna.

Il Sardus Pater ei Guerrieri di Monte Prama, (2008), M.Pittau, EDES, Sassari

Storia dei sardi nuragici, M.Pittau, (2007), Domus de Janas editrice, Selargius

Dyson Stephen L., Rowland Robert J. (2007). Shepherds, sailors, & conquerors - Archeology and History in Sardinia from the Stone Age to the Middle Ages. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania, Museum of Archeology and Anthropology. ISBN 978-1-934536-02-5.

Lilliu, Giovanni (2006). Sardegna Nuragica. Nuoro: Edizioni Il Maestrale. ISBN 88-89801-11-5. Book on line from Sardegnadigitallibrary.it

Ugas, Giovanni (2005). L'Alba dei Nuraghi. Cagliari: Fabula editrice. ISBN 88-89661-00-3.

Shardana: I principi di Dan, (2005), L.Melis, PTM Editrice – Prima Tipografia Mogorese, Mogoro, ISBN 88-87393-21-4

Depalmas, A. (2005). Le navicelle bronzee della Sardegna nuragica. Cagliari: Gasperini.

Le Torri del cielo, Architettura e simbolismo dei nuraghi di Sardegna, (2003),D. Schintu, PTM editrice, Mogoro

Unlucky mate you've taken it to far there, you were doing quite well until now

you're trying too hard with this "I'm gong to pretend to be utterly retarded" act.

Im going to assume this is a poor troll and that there isnt a member of humanity this stupid

>its this thread and people thinking ancient man couldnt navigate by sea again

...

this one comes to mind too.

Ladies and gentlemen, the cancer killing Veeky Forums.

>And yet, it took humans at least 100,000 years to go from walking out of africa, to the first recorded writing...

Yes, because they evolved during that time, literally what said, people in the neolithic were Cro Magnons, aka hominids, not actual modern humans (homo sapiens sapiens).

>ctual intelligence has not changed. my brain is no greater than an average person in 1500, or 1500BC

people in 1500 bc weren't anatomically modern humans, at least not in Europe.

> My education is far better. but my intellectual ability to use logic, or observe, is no different.

I doubt it, seeing all your "ad hominem" in your argument.

Source?
Not Wikipedia, please.

You do realize I could go to Wikipedia and write whatever for fun, right?

I could make a page about Romanian flying pigs and no one could stop me.

I thought it was an ebin meme 2bh

>You do realize I could go to Wikipedia and write whatever for fun, right?
And it would get reverted by the large body of administrators if you couldn't back it up. Just try it

>people werent anatomically modern in 1500 BC

Holy shit youre either uninformed as fuck or b8

Seeing how this thread is derailed as fuck, does anyone want to actually tell us how ancient seafaring went down in the Mediterranean?

Any pictures of well known trading cultures during the time (Phoenicians, Carthaginians, and the like) would be appreciated too.

Quality thread guys

>Source?
>Not Wikipedia, please.

page 40 of Finnegans wake

>40,000-753 bc, Europe is inhabited by hominids known as Cromagnon, they most likely didn't have a language but used grunts.

>753 bc: Romans come from Troy/Greecee area of influence and bring sailing vessels to Europe together with themselves (anatomically modern humans)
>476-1492 AD: the knowledge of ship building is lost until the Spanish and Portuguese re-descover and perfection it.

>1830 AD: the steamboat is invented
>1910 AD: modern ships are invented

>1900ish, the plane is invented

Oh, wow. You're back.

Oh God not this faggot again.

>someone in the world legitimately believes this

you must think the earth is flat too

It was until the Renaissance when Columbus made it a sphere.

Very funny.

Stop pretending to be me.

You're answering to two different persons.

>Waah he doesn't belive in my revisionist theories so I'm gonna cwy to my mummy!

That's how you sound to me.

>Revisionist
Says the one saying Sardinia wasn't colonized until the age of exploration.

>Stop pretending to be me.

I was just pretending to be a gigantic retard.

That's not revisionism, that's common sense.

No island that couldn't be seen from the coast could have been colonized before then, including places like Iceland, Balearic islands, Madagascar and even Ireland.

Tell that to the Polynesian's

>at least not in Europe
Afrocentrist detected

>Iceland wasn't colonized before the age of exploitation

You genuinely are retarded aren't you?

During the ice age most of these islands were connected to the continent by land

shit-quality bait user.

>Actual intelligence has not changed. my brain is no greater than an average person in 1500, or 1500BC.
And your evidence of that is what, mister neurogeneticist?

Intelligence changes but stupidity is always the same.

>This whole thread.

Not that guy, but then how come the entire world wasn't interconnected with trade routes by the time the renaissance came?
By your line of thinking, the period between the 15th and 18th century wouldn't be called the "Age of Discovery" since there would be no need to.
Hell, there would be no talk about race at this point in history. We should be mixed as hell because of all the migration these "ancient sailors" you talk about would cause.

This this this

God I fucking hate all of you morons that don't recognize a week old joke.

Delete this board hiro

It was. The Age of Exploration happened partially because the Europeans were like "fuck the middleman, we're going straight to Asia to get d spices."

>but then how come the entire world wasn't interconnected with trade routes by the time the renaissance came?

It was.

trade routes from china snaking over the Gobi desert to India. trade routes from India to the Levant, silver from German flowing to England and wool back. Latten manufacture in Aachen, shipped down the Meuse. trade routes established by the vikings and Rus running amber from the Baltic along the Danube. Burgundian Linen traded as far as Scandinavia and turkey. Blades forged in Passau down the Danube, blades forged in Solingen down the Rhine, reaching Byzantium in the east, Ireland in the west.

A thousand trade routes existed, and were crossing the entirety or Europe and beyond long before the medieval era. Hell, tin from the British Isles was being traded to the Mediterranean 3000 years ago, jade from the dolomites in northern italy was being traded to Scotland even earlier. There's even been finds of opium seeds originating in Afghanistan found in archaeological digs of crannogs in Scotland. Likewise, there's a mountain of Asian finds in the digs of viking age Birka.

I would strongly recommend this book:

amazon.co.uk/Power-Profit-Merchant-Medieval-Europe/dp/0500285942

Its a comprehensive and highly-regarded study into the trade and economic transfer of goods in the middle and high medieval eras of Europe, with passing study of the Levant and Africa, and earlier periods too.

>silver from German

that should've read "silver from German City-states."

Thanks user, maybe your post will bring some perspective to the anons in this thread and their delusions of adequacy.

I'm impressed. This is one of the most ridiculous trolls I have seen in a while

What prevented people from just sailing towards the same direction until they found land? After enough tries someone is bound to get lucky

I remember that shit. Good times.

>finally thread about really interesting topic not far from my area or expertise
>trolled into oblivion
fuck my life, Veeky Forums was a mistake

So that's what Recentism does to a human brain.

What were the sea peoples then?
End this thread

The entire world was connecting by trade routes, barring the Americans. The issue is people at both ends of the trade route don't know about each other even if they buy each others goods.
>We should be mixed as hell because of all the migration these "ancient sailors" you talk about would cause.
We are all mixed as hell, there isn't a single racially pure person alive except uncontacted tribes, barely, and australian abbos. A basic genetic test will reveal the average european to have a whole host of what they would consider foreign genetics inside them.

I saved this some time back.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanite

Possibly related.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belitung_shipwreck#Cargo_and_.22Tang_treasure.22
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_influences_on_Islamic_pottery

People who only sailed along the coast.

Please tell me you are trolling
Dont be this kind of retarded

Cro-magnum men...

Are you actually passionately racist towards Neolithic peoples?