Was he really a bad guy?

Killed 60 million people.
But this is Veeky Forums so nah lad he's cool, wasn't really his fault those people died and honestly it wasn't even real Communism that he enacted, so we can't really demonize Communism or Marxism really lad.

>russians
>people
pick 1

> buttblasted Nazi scum still buttblasted

Did nothing wrong.

This man, among others, is responsible for the Holodomor.

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he did some good and some bad

What movie?

Better than Trotsky, which isnt really saying much, but still.

>The greatest story never told: Commie boogaloo 2

This (I guess)
There should be no "bad guys" in history. Not him, not Hitler, not Truman.

He was very troubled, paranoid, and delusional, but personally he was quite likable.

Well he bitch slapped Hitler, so that was all g.

Pretty much this

Anyone who removes jews is a bretty cool guy in my book

nah, he saved the world from nazism

Im looking forward to volume II of this new biography

I was hoping it would come out this summer, but it probably wont be available until next year

An extraordinarily bad guy and all-round petty, paranoid human being

After Stalin´s speeches, the first person to stop clapping and sit down would get arrested, tortured and gulag-ed.

He would even feign impatience and motion people to sit down just to fuck with them.

>Implying it wasn't communism the world needed to be saved from

best commie man

Stalingrad (1993)

> b a r b a r i c

You're a horrible genocide apologist.

100 million people in Europe, russia, and central asia died because of him. Killed more jews than hitler.

invaded Finland.
invaded poland.

Committed zero genocides, so that automatically makes him better than Churchill and Hitler.

Why would you prefer him to Trotsky?

He was more regressive on trans rights.

muh kokhlodomor

*khokhlodomor

He was a mass murdering militant atheist tyrant. The only person who was more evil than Stalin was Mao Zedong who also a militant atheist tyrant.

communism didn't perpetrate the holocaust and start ww2

>dat pop culture-tier knowledge

>Slaughtered millions
>population of USSR actually grew by 20 million between 1926 and 1939

If he killed 60 million people, the population of the USSR would've fallen, not grown. The population fell by millions after world war 2.

Yes.

Communism/Marxism/Socialism is cancerous and terrible.

>100 million people in Europe, russia, and central asia died because of him. Killed more jews than hitler.

Reminder to everyone in this thread that R.J. Rummel was a neo-conservative loonie.

rudyrummel.blogspot.ca/

No.

Stalin did literally nothing wrong. Trots, reactionaries (as if there's a difference) and other counter-revolutionaries get the fuck out.

>o i laffin

Thank you user, this is the funniest thing I've heard all week.

In order to be a genocide apologist there must first be a genocide.

Holocaust didn't happen and Operation Barbarossa was, according to some, a preemptive strike.

he was a bad boy

Epic, simply epic.

>Trusting Soviet census
>What is the Holodomor?
>What are the mass executions and gulags?

Yeah. He was so fucking paranoid he murdered anyone who might have jeopardize his rule. The only thing he really trusted was the neutrality pact he had with Hitler. He trusted him so much that when spies alerted him about the coming German invasion he first dismissed them and then have the spies executed for spreading misinformation.

Annexing countries is a thing.

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>>What is the Holodomor?
Gross neglect, often over exaggerated by Westerners, the result of a failed plan, shit tier execution, and not really a deliberate attempt to kill any group in particular. Still a few million dead regardless.

>>What are the mass executions and gulags?
Not genocide by definition?

Also
>Gulags
>A thing
There never were any gulags. At all. There was the GULag agency, but somehow I doubt you're educated enough to know that.

>If he had killed millions of people, the population of the USSR would've fallen, not grown.
I have heard Neo-Nazis on /pol/ use this exact argument with Hitler and the Holocaust.

He was better than Lenin at least.

>It wasn't deliberate, it was accidental collectivization, food requisition, keeping people from leaving and other accidental government decisions! And it was just a few millions.
>Executing and imprisoning millions of people in deplorable conditions for being enemies of the state is not a genocide.
>I'll ignore that gulag is used to refer to the facility itself to not have to give an argument.
You're a disgusting cynical communist.

Communists defend this.
Soulless reds.

He was a big guy.

What's happening in this pic?

>slithering, weasely bullshit arguments and blatant historical revisionism
you shall not tempt me, bait spirit

Looks like a bunch of dudes at work.

How awful.

>>What is the Holodomor?
A natural disaster that fascist Hohols love to cry about.

>>What are the mass executions and gulags?
Welp, guess the US is genocidal too since it practices the death penalty and forced penal labour.

go to bed Jorg

It's a gulag picture. I posted as a representation of the imprisonment of millions of enemies of the state by the USSR.

>Hohol
Not the guy you were arguing with, but I've seen that term a lot and I'm wondering what it means. I know that it vaguely means "Ukrainian" but explain more.

Who is Jorg?
Food requisition, forced collectivization and people allocation among other government actions are not a natural disaster.

It's a pejorative term for Ukrainians derived from a stereotypical Ukrainian name.

>Food requisition, forced collectivization and people allocation among other government actions are not a natural disaster.
But those happened all over the USSR and didn't cause any so-called """"""""""""genocides"""""""""""".

>>It wasn't deliberate, it was accidental collectivization, food requisition, keeping people from leaving and other accidental government decisions! And it was just a few millions.
It wasn't though

>>Executing and imprisoning millions of people in deplorable conditions for being enemies of the state is not a genocide.
That didn't happen and that isn't genocide by definition.

>>I'll ignore that gulag is used to refer to the facility itself to not have to give an argument.
>I'll use incorrect terms with and from incorrect information to make a factually incorrect point.
And my point was that you don't know what you're talking about, hence why you used an incorrect term.

>You're a disgusting cynical communist.
>mfw my grandmother lived in a 'gulag' (as you like to call them) for a decade
>mfw Stalin had my grandfather knowingly and wrongly killed for being a Polish spy
>mfw I moved to the US to get the fuck away from the USSR
>mfw someone on a north korean ministry of tree bark eating forum calls me a commie

>Pointing out incorrect usage of various terms is a bullshit argument
>Pointing out facts is revisionism

For Hitler.

y'all motherfuckers need the immortal dialectical science of the vanguard party

Jörg Baberowski, German Nazi apologist who cried and ran off to his safe space when people started calling him out on his historical revisionism.

Pics of USSR passport?

Stalin did a lot of great things and a lot of horrible things. Defining somebody as good or bad is childish. However, Stalin's government purges and attacks against the Ukrainian populace were very destructive and can't be justified.

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You don't actually get to keep it (or the internal passport) if you leave. You do however get this 'passport' to show that you chose to leave and not come back, but are still a citizen.

I'd say I'm a one/two if anything. People really do think that Stalin was worse than he actually was, and people tend to exaggerate what he did, but he was still fucking godawful.

You are a level 7.
You're in total denial.
Total fucking Vatnik.

kek

What is pre-jewish media sexual reproduction.
1 million peasant adults in 4 million total pop.
Have 1 million kids every 5 years.
in 20 years, because more turn into adulthood every year, and death to birth rate is 1.1 (generously low) you have just under 9 million projected at end of period.
Kill one million.
Still have double the peasants.
Gee whiz history is hard. It makes you do things beyond having an opinion.

>There never were any gulags. At all. There was the GULag agency
if you can't win a real argument, just redefine words until you're right

Definite level 3.

The glory of the DPRK must never perish from this Earth.

> tankie
> Stalinist who likes Khruschev

This describes Western knowledge of USSR perfectly.

I'm a Trot but I agree with 2 and 3. Holodohoax was literally propaganda by Ukrainian Nazis who pinned the famine on Stalin.

The DPRK is about as deformed as a so-called workers' state can be, but US "liberation" would be 1000x worse.

He was actually shorter than Hitler, standing at 5' 6".

Oh fuck off

Why do you think not a single peer-reviewed document exists proving the falsity of the Holocaust?

More importantly, where the fuck did my great uncle go? You think the rich Jews paid 6 million poor Jews to disappear and never see their families again?

All jews profit off the holocaust

Not the ones who were murdered

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>invasion

What fuck are you talking about? Veeky Forums has been heavily socialist since the beginning

>heavily socialist

Treason is a crime. To be Jewish is to commit treason.

>Stalin's reign begins in 1923
that's wrong senpai

>Disregarding the rest of the post
>Thinking an addendum is an argument
>Thinking that pointing out Gulags weren't a thing is redefining words
>Literally using a made up word that means nothing and doesn't make sense is perfectly valid and if I get corrected I'll just yell 'u no wat i mean' until he gives up.
>Being this retarded
Okay then.

Americans who praise America for being "founded free of any sort of forced labor or genocide" but condemn the USSR for being founded on forced labor and genocide always crack me up.

The difference is almost 150 years Tankie

Who said I had love for the USSR or the USA? I hate either.

Time doesn't matter, hypocrisy only matters. Time is just a symbol in this argument, both committed the same. Former presidents are just as diabolical as Stalin, ends justify the means.

>"founded free of any sort of forced labor or genocide"
I have literally never heard this. That's fucking retarded. I have heard about 'every man is equal', 'principles of freedom and liberty', etc etc, but never that.

>Slavery lasted until the 1860's
>Indian Wars lasted until 1924
America wasn't founded free of forced labor or genocide, and those actions lasted longer than the USSR existed. The time difference is irrelevant regardless because the people who apparently say the above are still wrong and retarded.

>Former presidents are just as diabolical as Stalin, ends justify the means.
Yeah, I'm going to need some evidence or examples of that, and don't give a single awful thing a president did. I want to see exactly how former presidents were 'just as diabolical as Stalin'.

>Yeah, I'm going to need some evidence or examples of that

Here's two examples

Justification of Slavery = Justification of Gulag

Trail of Tears = Mass Starvation