How much poverty and death can be attributed to this man? Would Latin America be first world had he not existed...

>party
country*

Because rule of the nobles worked so well :---DDDD

China's government has been absolute shit since the revolution but they were still able to achieve wealth after market liberalization

Way better than communism.Just look at objective data.Communism=poverty.
Prove me wrong.
Protip:You can't

Communism isn't the only solution to a nobility problem.

Idk what is the suppression of workers rights in the Soviet Union. Idk what is the suppression of workers in the West. Idk what is the suppression of people all over the world. The problem was a lack of democracy. Like if you look at anarchist Spain the industrial output went up during the revolution, which is pretty amazing considering the wars. So in the Soviet Union the issue was more than anything the lack of freedom and that the places poured so much money into the military

If you're an oligarchic circlejerk, then even being gommie country is better

It's quite effective though

>Would Latin America be first world had he not existed?
You do know that most of Lat-Am remained Non-Communist right?

Marx actually liked the political system in Commonwealth, not as something to mimic but as a decently progressive for its time.

>What would Eastern Europe look like today?
We wud go to space and now we have to clean toilets. Fucken marx

>Like if you look at anarchist Spain the industrial output went up during the revolution
This meme again.The anarchist part had one of the worst outputs of all the sides in the war.Madrid totally outperform them,let alone the nationalist areas.Production just went up due to war.Besides,there were daily killings and oppresion done by CNT

No.

Jesus on the other hand...

:----D

>If you're an oligarchic circlejerk, then even being gommie country is better
Not even then lol

>How much poverty and death can be attributed to this man?
On par with other philosophers who advocated action revolutionary tactics against society.

>Would Latin America be first world had he not existed?
It wouldn't be any different with or without him.

>What would Eastern Europe look like today?
Most people probably wouldn't know what Russia is.

“If you understood what communism was, you would hope-you would pray on your knees- that one day we would become communist.” -Jane Fonda, University of Michigan Speech, 1970

He only liked the constitution of 1792, which was far from the traditions of the commonwealth through the rest of its existence.

I'm talking about post-feudal nobles, not latin america

>Latin America wouldn't be any different

>Venezuela and Cuba is the whole of Latin America.

>Marxist economics

You mean state capitalism, right?

Not Real Socialism!!!!! I'm triggered!!!!1!2!2!

The means of production were not in the hands of the works and private property and wage labor still existed. It was not socialism.

>marxist """economics"""

lmfao

Do you know that most of the economic effort in latin america went to counter soviet-backed commie traitors right?

It only Chavez stole more even more property and shut down more businesses people wouldn't be starving to death!!!!! DAMN CAPITALIST CIS SCUM

Ayyyyylmao my spanish speaking friend

iniciativadebate.org/2015/07/28/venezuela-descubren-toneladas-de-alimentos-que-empresarios-escondian-para-desestabilizar-al-gobierno-de-izquierdas/

Venezuela: Tons of food hidden by business owners to destebalize the left-wing government are found.

>Chavist source
Kek
Even if it was true,those people would be saving their country,as inflation and energy shortages are the norm there

>Keeping food away from starving masses is now saving those exact same masses.

>Source from Spain
>Chavist

Eastern Europe always sucked no matter what form of government prevailed there. Communism just made a bad situation worse.

>those people would be saving their country

Implying "empresarios" give a fuck about any country.

What's so immoral about this? The business owners have to feed their own families first and foremost before they give free shit you dumbshit

>Source from Spain
And MAduro/Chavez have spent money to spreed propaganda in Spain since the beginning.They even have their own party in Spain.

It's just fearmongering by the PP and C's. The judges of Spain speak against you.

>It's just fearmongering by the PP and C's
youtube.com/watch?v=eYjlR2l39r0
Whatever brainwashed commie

Mariano/Rivera Get Out

>Mariano/Rivera Get Out
youtube.com/watch?v=W2xatYWT3Mc

He is kinda right tho.

>He is kinda right tho.

a)Keeping tons of food in the jungle does not help them feed their families.

b)No one is asking for free shit.

>c)What's so inmoral about starving people to death to destabilize a government that you dissaprove of?

>citing government shills
that information is in contradiction with the facts easily documented with just a picture

I repeat what the other user said.
The judges of Spain. (Who, trust me, are not paid by Venezuela) speak against you.

They´ve spoken against you several times actually.

>your government is so weak and retarded that even retail owners have the power to seriously strike on it
chavistas and spanish speaking leftards are the dumbest niggers out there, they cannot even make up a decent lie

>The judges of Spain. (Who, trust me, are not paid by Venezuela) speak against you.
No.PAblo Iglesias had connections with Venezuela and Iran before Podemos.What is questioned is if they are financing his party directly.
youtube.com/watch?v=zDlWsNm6fnE

were have you been the last 2 decades?

Now bankers own the countries ask any greek.

>What is questioned is if they are financing his party directly.

But user said exactly that.

Your point?

3 TRILLION GOY!

No.If yo read the posts it is clearly stated that Venezuela financed people in Spain and had their own party.Direct financing is a different thing.

So according to you those simple and humble retail owners ended up being mega banksters? You're not even capable of reading comprehension as it seems, no wonder why you're a leftard

>No.If yo read the posts it is cleDirectly owning a party.arly stated that Venezuela financed people in Spain and had their own party.Direct financing is a different thing.

But he said

> have spent money to spreed propaganda in Spain since the beginning.They even have their own party in Spain.

They even have their own party.

No.
No they bloody don´t.

>have spent money to spreed propaganda in Spain
It is true.They have their own media channels to shill and the like.
>They even have their own party
Podemos is Maduro's lap party to spreed inflence in Europe,the same way that Castro did in Venezuela

what channels?

>simple and humble
> Herrera C.A

You better keep your mouth shout about things you just don't know.

HispanTv or La tuerka.

If those people to you are mega rich then you are a mega maoist.

Those who you can call filthy rich are mainly high-profile investors in Wall Street, not just another retail chain.

she is right you know

TeleSur
Worst shilling channel, not even RT can surpass them

>lets take a photo of a place that nobody lives in and compare it to a poor area!
You can do this to EVERY country btw

Do you have Telesur in spain?

>Telesur
Si

but you have to ask it to your telefonica or whatever cable tv monoploly you have?. Or is a public channel?

Is a channel paid by the venezuelan government

I just watch canal + so I dont know if its open for free.It probably is though.Even then,youtube is a strong platform right now for spreeding crap

>canal +
just other kind of propagada.

canal + has over 200 channels.

so you worry about 1 iranian and 1 venezuelan channel?,

>so you worry about 1 iranian and 1 venezuelan channel?,
It is still a way of spreeding propaganda.RT is just a channel,and it has a hugeinfluence everywhere . Besides, most C+ channels are about films series and sports,not news

dont worry m8, you still have all the Fox , CNN, BBC and so on to get your trustworthy information.

>you still have all the Fox , CNN, BBC and so on to get your trustworthy information.
More trustworthy than hispantv or telesur

>unironically defending chavez

but makes you think, just 2 rebel channels, against all those big fishes. Heroic IMO

>just 2 rebel channels
>Propaganda channels from foreing countries
>"rebel"

Find me an ugly picture of a Swiss, Norwegian, Austrian, Danish, Luxembourgish, or Finnish city that's not a gypsy camp

As long as nobles actually ruled there, things went pretty well. Shit went downhill when the nobility declined as a social class and a few superrich magnate families took over.

we've had TVE in L.A since I have memory.

God damn Commiefornia is such a mexican shithole

>entrinsically different economic systems have different results
holy shit it almost like they fuctioned differntly and with different goals in mind...

(also yeah planned economies are a fucking joke but still)

I'm assuming you don't count the nordic system as socialist

Because it's not. Redditard pls go

>nordic system as socialist
Pls tell me you are jocking bernbot.

>Belgian king stealing land from the locals then cutting off hands is every form of capitalism ever.
>I guess I'll just ignore all of those countries that succeeded under capitalism.

>Denmark
>Most economically free country on earth
>No minimum wage, privatised fire service, strong private property rights, no/low tariffs, almost unregulated labour/products markets, voucher system for private schools
>"Socialist"

Back to Vermont buddy.
thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

Reddit is to the left

Welfare statism is not socialism.

If it was, Prussia and later the German Reich was socialist under Bismarck, which it clearly wasn't you moron

So socialist countries only?

>Would Latin America be first world had he not existed?
>Implying the US wouldn't sabotage it anyways.

Implying Marxist rhetoric and thought wouldn't have emerged eventually anyway as a consequence of disenchantment during the early Industrial era.

Simply plucking one or two people out of history is unlikely to change the larger trends going on. Social unrest having much to do with Industrialism predates Marx anyway. Workers in general were highly mistreated back then. No safety regulations, awful wages, crippling work, no upward mobility. Food was made in ungodly conditions.

The Henry Ford model of "my workers should be able to acutally afford my products" capitalism is a bit newer than Marx. And much newer than that is the current, vaguely socialist technocratic capitalism that automates labor and redistributes wealth through open source and crowd funding efforts.

Capitalism is evolving for the better, and Marxism was a social response to working conditions.