What civilization is the most overrated in history and why?

inventing agriculture and writing all by your own is pretty remarkable. in Eurasia + Africa it was invented only once.

Greco-Roman probably.

I mean it was pretty great, probably the second best civilisation after the West, but it still gets highly overrated and credited with way too much. We Westerners still have a huge inferiority complex towards it despite having surpassed it in every possible way, so bad that many want to believe we actually belong to the same civilisation.

Wrong. Most developed and culturally historic pristine civilization to stand on earth. There's a reason the Olmecs, Sumerians and Peruvians are not household names compared to Egypt (and to extent China). The world wonders are incredible, they had a fairly large prescense past their time and they still stand today. They've standed the test of time.

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I agree as long as you're talking just North America, but the strange and rampant growth of the Mesoamerican civilizations astounds me.

>cradle of the western thought which has enveloped the world
>overrated
My man, you are wrong.

>so bad that many want to believe we actually belong to the same civilisation
>user goes on to literally pretend the West is the same thing as Greco-Romans

Veeky Forums never disappoints...

Le expected edgy contrarian response.

Wut? An edgy contrarian response would be something like Indus Valley or some shit that nobody even knows anything about. Or maybe you don't know what "overrated" means.

Maybe you don't. If Egypt and Greece are overrated than every civilization there ever existed was shit.

You need to learn about basic logic.

Egypt and Greece are so highly rated that they're the only ones that could even be overrated. All the others are almost completely disregarded, how can something nobody ever talks about be overrated?

the greco-roman civilisation has only been surpassed materially
were inferior to them in every other way

Except in science, mathematics, technology, art, architecture, music, literature, philosophy, politics, administration, morality, and literally every single other possible way.

This Western inferiority complex is a serious sickness. That's probably the only area where we'll never equal Greco-Romans: self-confidence.

Honestly, the Nazis.

If you had swapped the Nazi's uniforms any other nation's nobody would idolize them. The Hugo Boss uniforms are the sole reason they have a cult following. Imagine a WW2 where the British had the Hugo Boss uniforms, and the Nazis had some ugly green shit. How many people would be supporting the Nazis now? We'd be laughing at them.

how on earth is the art of the XVII century worse than Grecco Roman art?

Painting, music and literature were great.

>architecture
You say this in a world where literally every country is trying to imitate Rome with its government and monumental buildings. Even fucking China pulls this shit

>mostly givens for living in a later time period

If Rome had continued until 2016...

>science
as i said were materially better
>mathematics
all based on the greeks
>art
literally just copying ancient statues to the point where we were to autistic to actually paint our statues
>philosophy
plato>everyone else
>architecture
we just build bigger buildings than the ancients
>politics, administration
>he doesnt know about the roman empire
>morality
were all a bunch of late roman era degenerates
>copying the ancients
>being better than them

Neoclassicism is the worst architectural style in the West, Gothic architecture for example is superior in every way.

Then what? Then nothing, Rome never made an ounce of progress in any one of those fields.

This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization. Progress doesn't automatically happen just because time passes. Progress has to be driven, and the reason we're more advanced is because it was driven by Western civilisation.

This. Learn what overrated is. Nazi Germany, not Egypt and Greece, is overrated. It lasted only a decade and their contribution to mankind is rockets, I think.

Awful bait.

Learn what civilisation means. The Nazis aren't a civilisation you dumb fuck.

dispute it if you disagree you fucking nigger

>Progress doesn't automatically happen just because time passes

Actually it did, until a particular event that occurred in 476...

Norse.

You're making a post denying the existence of Western art or architecture styles that aren't Neoclassicism, and of Western mathematics or philosophy, and claiming the Roman Empire, an unstable tyranny almost perpetually mired in chaos, assassinations, and civil wars, was in any way a better institution than Western nations. At that level there's really no point responding if I'd have to explain 1000 years of history of politics, science, and art to you.

Name one thing that progressed in the five centuries before that.

Both agriculture and writing were discovered independently in the Middle East and China, writing was invented twice independently in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

thats a nice strawman you got there
any actual arguments though?

is this copying the ancients?

youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_oIFy1mxM

People are really undererestimating the Baroque period of arts.

Nigga check out the Gothic, it's just as non-Roman.

>disputes the only thing i didnt contest
we cant really judge on music because we dont know much about music in antiquity
but nice ignoring every other point

>writing was invented twice independently in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

And again by the Chinks and yet again by the Mesoamericans.

Read what I was replying to.

Also, I already mentioned that it was invented in China independently, I was just making a point that it was also invented twice in the Middle East alone, not as the other guy said ("once in Eurosia+Africa").

I dont think this is copying the ancients either

once again you go for the things that we cant really compare

And why do you think it is we can't compare them?

Because
>>art
>literally just copying ancient statues
is one of the most retarded things I've ever read here and that's saying something, now please never post anything anywhere again.

>And why do you think it is we can't compare them?
well you could show me some paintings from greco roman times if you like

Are you handicapped or something? Don't know how to google?

I don't believe in coincidences that just so happened around the same time when we have been out of Africa for circa 70k years.
Why no agriculture or writing system before then.

>There's a reason the Olmecs, Sumerians and Peruvians are not household names compared to Egypt (and to extent China).

Idiocy? Is the reason idiocy? Because those three were more influential in their spheres than Egypt was.

look im just here to have a discussion why do you need to shitpost here?just go on /b/ or something

Embarrassing. Just do everyone a favour and never post on Veeky Forums again.

no he really just repeated what you had written and it should appear obvious to anyone how stupid it sounds.

>he really just repeated what you had written
>i never wrote about paintings
>i never wrote about music
>he attacks these two points

You might have gotten the conversations mixed up user, I was referring to this post:

"You're making a post denying the existence of Western art or architecture styles that aren't Neoclassicism, and of Western mathematics or philosophy, and claiming the Roman Empire, an unstable tyranny almost perpetually mired in chaos, assassinations, and civil wars, was in any way a better institution than Western nations."

Which tackles much more than paintings and music.

I would say the Greeks too because they tend to be talked about way too much considering all the awesome shit that was happening over the same period in other places, for example Persia or China.

this is pure strawmanning when did i deny that the existence of Western art or architecture styles that aren't Neoclassicism, and of Western mathematics or philosophy?
>claiming the Roman Empire, an unstable tyranny
roman republic=best political system
roman empire=best administration

It's not a coincidence, you can blame/credit climate change for that, it all started around the same time, right after the "Last glacial period", which signalled the end of the Ice Age, and caused a huge wave of desertification around the world, forcing a lot of people to come together near rivers to survive, and later jump start human civilization.

You'll notice that all 3 civilizations that invented agriculture and writing independently were established around rivers, and were surrounded by deserts in all directions. With Egypt being the most extreme case.

>Is the reason idiocy? Because those three were more influential in their spheres than Egypt was.
are you sure you're not the idiot here?

>You'll notice that all 3 civilizations that invented agriculture

Except agriculture in West Asia was developed in Anatolia, fed by rains and not rivers. Also, the Mayan civilization was based not on rivers but on cenotes, surrounded by inhabitable jungle. Likewise for the Inca, substituting "altiplano" for "jungle".

Euro-centrism.

Don't get me wrong, Greece achieved a lot, but it was in noway unique among its immediate neighbourhood, but given that they were the bases of Greco-Roman civilization, and that being the bases of Western Civilization, it's been given way too much attention/credit by Western historians.

>but it was in noway unique among its immediate neighbourhood

Disagreed, only the Greeks developed advanced political structures based on the consent of the ruled, elsewhere despotism was the universal norm. Greece alone also developed a systematic approach to knowledge (philosophy), ad-hoc rulings and mysticism were the universal norm elsewhere.

You're right fampire. This era could do with more eromenos and religious orgies. Those gladiatorium deathmatches are pretty cool too. Boipucci shitposting and pro wrestling just isn't the same. Imagine.

>Tonight live at Madison Square Garden: Proconsul Gaius Donaldus Trumpicus presents for the education and entertainment of the republic: the a reenactment of the heroic slaughter of the rebel Parthian, Ossammulladen by the heroes of the marine Legio VI. Cakes will be distributed by the Cataline Brotherhood of Millers. The Catalline Brotherhood uses only the finest grain: Trve Roman bread for Trve Romans.

>Except agriculture in West Asia was developed in Anatolia
Agriculture was only discovered once in the middle east, and it was in the Levant.

>Also, the Mayan civilization was based not on rivers but on cenotes, surrounded by inhabitable jungle. Likewise for the Inca, substituting "altiplano" for "jungle".
I was specifically talking about the Old World. and, the Mayans and Incas were pretty late to both agriculture and writing compared to post-LGM civilizations, even if they had discovered them independently, they weren't subject to the same conditions.

underrated. Single superpowers stagnate advancement

Each Mediterranean civilization had its perks, Greece was simply a later manifestation of its surrounding cultures, and, of course, it made its own contributions, but it isn't like it evolved in isolation, like say China, though it's often talked about as if it did.

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>This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization. Progress doesn't automatically happen just because time passes.
B-but it's 2016

Civ Rev was not nearly as good as Civ II

Obviously

Hello Spengler.

>art
>music
>literature
>politics
>morality
>anything but subjective
You might even say we've surpassed them in retardation if we consider your post.

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