/fog/ Fallout General

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You're a fucking moron.
It's not about FO4 being an RPG or not. It's about FO4 being a shitty RPG that strips you of choice and logical dialogue options. You can never play as anything other than 200yr old Lawyer/War Vet looking for their baby and the game hammers this point down at most every encounter.

As fallout 2 and new vegas, but no one keeps shitting about it

Yo so how do I finish the game with the minutemen and keep all the factions at peace?

I know there are vids for this but they're all really shitty. Has anyone here done it? These vids make it seem really complicated.

>Arguing about FO4 again
>When you knew what you were buying into with a Bethesda game
If you're not here for the porn mods and lewd shit then you might as well fuck off forever back to /v/ and keep shitting on the game there.

Except those games were good and knew when to put character motivation to the wayside and had no "press x to shaun" moments

There's no way to keep all factions alive.

Your choices mostly having very limited consequences is fine when you're a lone wastelander roaming around, that's fine. But in FO4 Bethesda in their infinite fucking wisdom gave you a whole faction to lead and several to influence and still thought it would be fine to apply the same, in some cases even more limited, consequences. That is not. Additionally your chosen skills and perks have no impact on the dialogue choices at all as long as you have enough charisma. That alone is unforgivable for a Fallout main series game.

Thanks Todd

>It's not about FO4 being an RPG or not.

if you were following the discussion, you would know it is entirely this; some autist made the claim that fallout 4 was not an rpg because it did not have skill points.

I had to explain to him what an rpg was. then you came along and contributed nothing to the discussion. congratulations, you're literally worse than cancer. drink some bleach.

>Except those games were good
all roads lead to hoover dam
>muh choice and consequence

Fallout 2 good....
>shit plot
>broken system
>you could end faster than fallout 4 and 3
>Hated by most of the shiite of the fallout community back then, until bethesda made Fo3 and they started loving it
>Made with the worst that the 90's culture had, went from 50's setting to retard 90's KEWL jokes and retard shit like modern weapons and dumb 90's pop culture references

youtube.com/watch?v=hRIMM0BhUEU

Now you will say that you hate tabletop RPG gaming too, and the only best RPG ever is planescape... because it was made by avelonne...

You obsidiots are worse than Nolan and snyderfags

> value 446

i'll take it since i never have more than 4k caps in survival

or
>mutant slayers gamma gun
>ghoul slayers gamma gun

>a progression system

Non-existent. Enemies level with the player, as does all equipment, meaning there is no progression.

>a dialogue system that the player can make choices in

The player is incapable of making any actual choices in any dialogue in the base game. Indeed, one would not be wrong to argue that Fallout 4 has no dialogue system in an RPG context, and instead features a number of interactive cutscenes that ultimately result in the same outcome.

And some how its still better than 4 wow! Id rather have all that than a shitty halfbaked story, shit rpg mechanics, and a stupid son i dont care about ala david cage

>if you were following the discussion
Something you didn't do considering 1 of the posts you linked to was about the cover system and the other was abut it being a shit RPG.

Go play in traffic you abortion.

Okay well everyone but the institute obviously.

Also that video is a bit better, but do I really have to do everything in this complicated order? I just want the best ending possible in the sense that I'll have the railroad and BOS available at endgame so I can do their content too.

also when does the SS learn that Father is Shaun? because in that vid, after getting banished, he still talks as if they kidnappe dhis son and he doesnt know father is shaun

FO always had modern weapons
There were just more of them in 2

There's nothing wrong with having modern weapons either considering divergent timeline.

Why are supermutant blowing themselves up
What possible purpose does it serve

>you hate tabletop RPG gaming
No because you can work with the GM. You can tell him that you want to intimidate, coerce or seduce the NPC to affect the conversation, fuck, you can even just RP really fucking well and get the same. You can't do that in FO4 and only to a limited extend in FO2 and NV. But the point is that you can. Maybe you don't have the 8 charisma that you need to win the conversation but maybe you have terrifying presence or cannibal or 10 perception or 10 intelligence so you can catch him making a contradicting statement. That is the very fucking base line for Fallout.
>planescape
If i wanted to read a fucking book i'd do just that.

STUPID HUMAN LIKE YOU WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND!

Planescape: Torment is a visual novel. Avellone said this himself.

>no progression
>no choice
>RPG's have distinct dialogue systems

bold claims. patently false.

aww, did babby miss out on the big kids having a conversation?

lurk moar faggot

Well apparently you did miss out and are now sitting at the kids table throwing food at the adults.

And you wonder why you're down there.

the most "logical" reason would be that they breach settlement walls, and don't have a fatman/the knowhow to make grenades

Almost lunch break and /v/Obsidiots are whining once again here at /fog/...

Well considering they can't pass along their genes and don't necessarily need to be alive for their race to spread, it makes a crazy kind of sense.
They live, "breed" and eat as a group, if killing themselves can feed the group, or help them capture more humans to dip in green stuff, they probably see it as acceptable.

>are now sitting at the kids table throwing food at the adults.
>And you wonder why you're down there.

Way to prove my point you child.

>this salty over being told the definition of rpg

Fallout 4 has a cover system, just like many tabletop games have a cover system.

Why couldn't Black Isle into cover systems?

Sorry to bring reality to you fags, you were sooo busy discussing caits armpits and your amazing half baked rpg i just had to be a dick and poke holes in the sinking ship that is FO4

QQ more you overweight babby living in his moms basement

Tell her to put extra tendies for your mental anguish

I blame Fallout 2 for Fallout 4

ADA is the cutest Fallout girl!

Because they were more concerned with writing and not with courting the skyrim audience

>acting self-righteous in a general discussing the latest game
I bet you get mad that people don't discuss civ 4 much anymore either

fraid not

kill yourself faggot

Many but not all
It does have a cover system. It's called hide behind an object until the enemy reloads.

Shut the fuck up we're arguing right now

>Complete rite of passage
>Back at Far Harbour they're boiling a Mire lurk alive

Now I feel bad

I prefer Jezebel. She's such a tsundere cutie pie.

Still proving my point.

Liking a shitty watered down rpg, phew must suck having garbage taste

>sinking ship that is Beth's most successful videogame

So what is your guy's favorite ending?

That thing was always there. Why are you fucking retarded.

>SAMEFAG!
>SAMEFAG DETECTED!

looking by the retard levels of autism is Walpknut or The Dutch Ghost from NMA and RpgCOdex

I thought those legendary effects were disabled for gamma guns

you have a point?

what was it again? just checking to see if you're paying attention. take your time. use your words.

>People share the same opinion
>Must be samefag
You know you only look dumb, right?

>m-muh autism

Anyone get the Minuteman ending?

if so how much content from the insitute do I have to fail?

I just want to get the courser companion perk and whatever else I can get from them in terms of permanent bonuses

yes I'm a completionist

Brotherhood. Fuck those "we're evil and we don't even know it" Institute shits. And fuck those "easily exploitable nearly retarded Synths are more valuable than Humans" Railroad idiots. The Minutemen are fine, they seem to have a good mindset and just want to make life better for the honest people of the Commonwealth. Personally I think you should be able to directly create and alliance between the Minutemen and whichever faction you choose.

Minutemen do the farming and society building, Brotherhood does the heavy lifting, science, and military work.

So Far Harbor = Bar Harbor?

I'm sorry your 5yr old self can't keep up. Might be time for a juice box and a nap. Take your time.

drink bleach

>implying I even like fallout 4
people are discussing this game because there's a lot to talk about it still
if you want to endlessly jerk yourself over past fallout games, the NMA is the perfect place for you

Why do so many people hate the Brotherhood?

I fucking love them man.
What happens if you end up going with them the whole way in regards to the Minutemen?

I know ill call him a samefag!
Nice bruised ego bitch

that is not a cover system, it is a player-only exploit

>8 beds in vault 13

you can put the minuteman to work with the railroad and BoS without both killing each other

>Ok Walpknut
>steamcommunity.com/id/Walpknut

No Shit Sherlock

aggro the Institute and you'll get Minutemen option.

This conclusion was made before the DLC even released. Allegedly if you go the place where the bridge in real life is you can find one broken and collapsed. I know you can see the forests of Maine off the coast, but you obviously cant reach them. It bothers me how far away it is from the commonwealth. Look at all that coast in between the two places that could have been content instead.

Seemed kind of weird to me because the implications were they didn't want the minutemen armed with artillery and wanted the farms subjugated.

This is also fallout general so we should be able to discuss any fallouts, sorry my opinion is so triggering to you

im sorry i dont know anything about your shitty overpopulated side of the country

that also means that discussion of fallout 4 is fair game
might as well complain that /feg/ is talking about fates

>8 new posts
how far can I go with the father and stuff before I can no longer nuke them with minutemen?

I also want to keep the railroad and the bos alive

>railroad
>alive

>having a tantrum because New Vegas 2 will never happen

do you even know why you're so upset?

Im not that person, but way to show how parinoid you are and how you cant accept criticism

follow the guide that user posted above, you can get both BoS and railroad favors if you do right

thus keeping them both alive and in "peace" with each other

Nothing happens to the Minutemen. Same as nothing really happens to the Minutemen if you do their faction ending. Preston remains as the radiant quest giver and possibly companion depending on whether or not you activate the Institute evacuation alarm. Minutemen patrols still exist too. And after the game the institutes remaining forces decide to attack the castle for whatever reason.

You can even kill off the Brotherhood with them should you become a bumbling retard for some reason.

>wanting to let the railroad live

See above.

>Shooting from cover is not the basics of gunfighting but a player only exploit
Ayy lmao

>72 games
I am not that poor

Son, please. It's time for your nap. No need to get all fussy. When you wake up you can have some cookies.

Sorry if i think waifu fagging is a bad discussion topic, jesus you fags would want this place to become like bioshock or ME general fuck

OK walpknut it is time to go back home, so you can play Dorkte may cry

It is a player only exploit in Black Isle games though

Does Frank Horrigan hide around a corner until the player reloads? Does the Master? Shit, I don't even remember there being a cover system in PoE. Cuck.

What's with the Railroad hate?

>Pillars of Eternity
>Shit gameplay thanks to Sawyer

Ok Walpknut, stop samefagging

you're strawmanning like a motherfucker
i don't want this place to be a shitty waifufag general either
i also don't want it to become a NMA circlejerk
is that too hard for your brain to comprehend?

They put the lives of synths before the lives of humans and they don't even do a good job of it. They essentially kill the original synth through a mind wipe and make them believe they're human with false memories.

>doesn't realize that Obsidian gave up on Fallout because of the autistic fanbase

Hell, even Bethesda jumped onto another project ASAP, wanting to put the franchise behind them as quickly as possible. Catering to toxic redditors must be exhausting.

have you talked to them at all or just saw the relation to historical railroad? they're closer to ISIS than the underground railroad

Why would Horrigan, A Super Mutant mass of flesh and cybernetically grafted Power Armor parts need to hide behind anything when his skin alone shrugs off low caliber rounds?

And Master is attached to his control terminal and is already hard to defeat

>defending FO4
Such phillistines

but user, he is from NMA and RPGcodex, the edgleord circlejerking shit there about

>bethesda hate
>CDPR hate
>Richard Gariott Sucks along with Ultima
>Avelonne is god, Interplay is Jesus, Fallout 2 is holy spirit

is the same since EVER

Clean up on aisle /fog/ janitors

Yeah, must be exhausting shitting out a low effort game and raking in millions in pre-orders alone.

You're fucking retard, m8.

>Shit gameplay thanks to Sawyer

Sure, blame Sawyer. He wasn't responsible for the lack of cover in all their other games though, was he?

>closer to ISIS
LMAO how?

they only try to free the synths, they never say synths are more valuable than humans or vice versa

synths are life just as much as humans are