Is there any basis to the whole "advanced Nazi technology and science" meme, or is this just fascist propaganda?

advanced in

>jet power
>rocketry
>anti-tank weaponry
>arguably small arms (mg42, stg44)
>night vision equipment
>torpedoes and submarines

So yeah, you could say they were really advanced but they also fell behind the allies in electronics, radar and mass production overall. They were also shit with semi-auto rifles

Nazism was generally pretty apathetic about technology. Many of it's memes were about spiritual renewal, and reconnecting with nature, they promoted mysticism and esotericism but remained suspicious of advanced science, which they considered "Jewish". This contrasts sharply with Fascist Italy, which was technophillic tand rationalist o an extreme

This.

They spent a lot of time on wunderwaffen.

The allies had better meat and potatoes kind of stuff.

weren't japanese torpedoes superior?
wasn't the brits and americans deploying jets at basically the same time?
and didn't the americans produce better NV equipment?
i'm going by vague memories here but i could swear the above aren't particularly german-great

Well the Nazis did have shitloads of Ex-Lebensborn and the leftovers of Romantic Nationalist Germany.

Also they weren't apathetic to technology because HURR JEWS, but they saw industrialization and urbanization as alienating to the human being.

It's mostly just memes and propaganda. The "super advanced" German army was largely dependent on horses to move supplies around, and brilliant German scientists like Heisenberg thought that there wasn't enough uranium in the world to build a nuclear bomb.

>>jet power
What the fuck did the Gloster Meteor do to deserve being forgotten by history?
>>rocketry
Only because they based their work of Goddard.
>>anti-tank weaponry
The Panzerschrek was literally an upscaled bazooka, although the Panzerfaust was a pretty novel concept.
>>arguably small arms (mg42, stg44)
If they were more advanced in small arms then they would have had a standard-issue semi-automatic rifle.
>>night vision equipment
M3 carbine don't real.
>>torpedoes and submarines
The US fleet boats were massively superior to the German tin cans.

>Only because they based their work of Goddard.

I've always found it kind of funny how people talk about how our rocket technology was based on Nazi technology when that was based on an American scientist's work in the first place.

Swamp monkey.

Not him, but at least for these two

>weren't japanese torpedoes superior?

Yes, the long lance was a beast, but it was a capital ship torpedo, not an aerial torpedo.

>wasn't the brits and americans deploying jets at basically the same time?

Yes and no. The Western Allied jets came out about 8 months after the Me-262. However, they were a bit inferior in a lot of little places, and they weren't combat deployed, as far as I know.

A lot of that though, was different priorities. By 1944, the Luftwaffe was crippled, and the amount of bombing missions the Germans were undertaking against Allied forces was negligable. The main thing allied fighters were doing were escorting their own bombers, and having something ultra-fast just doesn't help you much there, since you'll be tailing along after something that's going at like 250 kph anyway.

Add in the higher maintenance requirements, lower operational range, special fuel needed, and the fact that the ME-262s just weren't doing that much damage before they were getting killed (usually on the ground), and the Allies just didn't see that much need for a jet fighter.

>advanced Nazi technology

Well, German technology. Germany was the world center for science and technology before the Nazis came to power. The Nazi regime did invest heavily in jets and stuff, but probably ultimately slowed advancement down more than it sped it up by a) chasing off half their scientists (i.e. Jews) and b) choosing focus based on propaganda value and politics

>Yes, the long lance was a beast, but it was a capital ship torpedo, not an aerial torpedo.
The Long Lance also had a nasty habit of blowing up the ship it was mounted on, they were pretty good when mounted on destroyers though.
>The Western Allied jets came out about 8 months after the Me-262.
Only two months,
>However, they were a bit inferior in a lot of little places
Last time I checked your engine having over 24 hours of flight time before breaking makes you superior.
>and they weren't combat deployed,
Because the Allies didn't want the Germans getting their hands on a decent jet fighter.

>Only two months,

The first flight of the ME262 was in July of 1942. The first flight of the Meteor was in March of 43. That's 8 months.

>Last time I checked your engine having over 24 hours of flight time before breaking makes you superior.

The Meteor suffered similar problems, you do realize that.

>Because the Allies didn't want the Germans getting their hands on a decent jet fighter.

What? They already had a decent jet fighter. Had them for quite a while. I'm aware of no evidence claiming that they were worried about the Germans taking tips from Allied jets, like you have for instance for the B-29. It just wasn't that useful for the sorts of missions they were flying. Range and ease of maintenance were more important than interceptor speed in 44-45, and props had those better than the jets did back then.

>The first flight of the ME262 was in July of 1942. The first flight of the Meteor was in March of 43. That's 8 months.
First flight =/= introduction date.
>The Meteor suffered similar problems, you do realize that.
Yes, but it could manage more than 24 hours of flight time before the entire engine had to be replaced.
>What? They already had a decent jet fighter.
The Me 262 was not a "decent jet fighter", it's an overrated piece of shit that's only popular because Werhaboos love wanking over it.
>I'm aware of no evidence claiming that they were worried about the Germans taking tips from Allied jets
The Meteor was regulated to shooting down V1s over Britain because they didn't want it falling into German (or Soviet) hands.

it's a meme, like other posters have said.

If the Germans were defaulting to mechanical engineering wunderwaffen, Soviets could be seen the same way for their Biopreparat programs. Ken Alibek's memoir is great for the subject.
>be russian
>feed lab animals a wider variety of food than the centrally planned economy allows humans
>infect self with ebola for motherland
>create super-ebola
>die

>Is there any basis
NASA seemed to think so
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

1. Be a German Scientist at the end of WWII
2. Get kidnapped by the KGB
3. Get kidnapped by the OSS (CIA)
4. ?????
5. PROFIT!!1!

Yes OP.

The KGB and OSS (CIA) battled over German scientists at the end of WWII because German technological excellent is just a meme.

FUCKING HURR DURR

because technology doesn't win a war, economy does.

why semi auto if you can have an assault-rife?

advantage Stg44 in every possible way.

Nah, England was actually more advanced in Jets.

you could add, end up working for Egypt or Argentina

ever heard of television?

Propaganda, outside of rocketry there's nothing to see here.
>Tiger I/II the best goddamn tanks in the world
You mean gas guzzlers that were so mechanically unreliable that they failed to even engage the enemy during battle of Bulge. No operational mobility, shitty design(let's put huge slab sides and hydraulic turret propulsion so every hit on the side will burn our entire crew!).
>jet power
British had better jets which became a basis for later advancements in the field, they didn't used them because of low range(something Germans also suffered from).
>rocketry
the only thing
>anti-tank weaponry
you mean a copy of Bazooka and shitty 40-metre range grenade launcher? Sure m8.
>arguably small arms (mg42, stg44)
MG42 is decent, true so is STG44 but they were flooded with tons of shit like Gewehr 43(not to mention 41).

Compare it with Americans who had:
>M1 Garand
>M1 Carbine
>M3 SMG(Grease gun)
>M2 Browning HMG
>Colt 1911
>Winchester Model 1912

All of which were well made, modern and successful weapons.

>night vision equipment
fluff
>torpedoes
Actually Germans suffered from the same problem Americans had with torpedoes(they didn't trigger properly because super-advanced bongdongle detonation was plain stupid idea in fact the very same idea). Japanese had, on the other hand well tested, proven and modern torpedoes in their fleet.
>submarines
Type XXI was good but it came like 2 years too late.

>torpedoes and submarines

Bullshit. While their submarines were pretty good, their torpedoes sucked as badly as the American ones did for exactly the same reason. The German department for ordnance wrote it off as "user error" when their magnetic fuses prematurely detonated, refused to detonate at all or the G7e ran deep. The impact fuse also failed to detonate in many cases.

>The US fleet boats were massively superior to the German tin cans.

What a load of ignorant drivel. Different operational parameters for these u-boats and American subs were not "massively superior". They were a bit faster on the surface, had greater range and had a slower, but far more advanced TDC compared to German u-boats. They were also more spacious and usually had a refrigerator, and so they clearly win out with crew comfort.

However, this doesn't make them superior. The Americans didn't dive even nearly as deep (test depth 90m), they were noisier and slower under water. They never faced an enemy like the British, and never faced the ASW that the Germans had to deal with, nor did they ever go up against convoys. They also dived slower (~35 seconds). German submarines could typically go down to 200m, they were faster (though still slow) under water, the type VII dived in somewhere between 20-25 seconds (based on crew experience), they were quieter under water and their TDC, while it was just an angle solver and never updated target range, was almost instant. Their periscopes and torpedoes were connected to the TDC and so it had live data updates for the torpedoes from the periscope. The salvo fire functionality of the TDC also allowed German u-boats to attack multiple boats at once, and if not using the salvo fire functionality the TDC was fast enough for new data to be input for 3-4 targets.

The German submarines were designed to go deep when hunted by destroyers, they were designed to attack convoys, and they were designed to be mass-producible.

Germos did pioneer disposable Anti-Tank weapons that any chump can use tho.

So in conclusion you simply can't say that American submarines were "massively superior". They never faced frequent ASDIC, never faced hunter-killer groups, almost never faced the convoy system, they didn't have to deal with the ridiculous air patrol that German u-boats had to deal with, they never had to dive to 200m to escape a destroyer etc.

American submarines were designed to be fleet vessels, not a commerce raider. The German u-boats did their jobs extremely well. If any of those American submarines went up against the British ASW effort they'd all have sunk as well.

>their TDC was almost instant
So was the American one.
> the type VII dived in somewhere between 20-25 seconds
You don't need to dive fast when you have radar.
>Their periscopes and torpedoes were connected to the TDC and so it had live data updates for the torpedoes from the periscope
Same thing with the American subs, who had a TDC that could actually be called a computer.
>The salvo fire functionality of the TDC also allowed German u-boats to attack multiple boats at once
So could the American subs.
>TDC was fast enough for new data to be input for 3-4 targets.
The American TDC could also track multiple targets.

And that's forgetting the massively superior torpedo armament of American boats.

In the early 30s, Germany led the world in science. Best physicists. Best chemists. Damn good biologists.

Nazis swept into power and they destroyed much of that with their anti-intellectual, anti-science views.

Still, Hitler wanted war, and there were a few military technologies that he liked and encouraged. Rocketry, artillery, etc. They put a lot of effort into heavy tanks even though that was a dead end. They committed huge resources into a few "Wonder weapons" projects they felt would win the war but it was all pretty much a boondoggle.

>US subs didn't go up against convoys

Nigga wut?

Both the U.S. and the German sub fleets had the same basic mission. Cut off commerce to an island nation enemy.

Only one of those fleets succeeded in its mission.

:^)

Not him, but I'm pretty sure he's using "convoys" to refer to the Anglo-American system of bunching up 30-70 merchant ships at a time and making sure they don't go anywhere without at least a screen of destroyers and corvettes.

Germany was the intellectual center of the world for hundreds of years before the 20th century. Their political unification was such a threat to the status quo that ENGLAND and FRANCE became allies ffs.

I'm still not sure if this picture is supposed to be satire or not.

some of them are legit though

>So was the American one.

Not for 4 targets at the same time.

>You don't need to dive fast when you have radar.

>let me announce my presence to literally EVERY retard in the area

You realise the British determined u-boat bearings using huffduff when u-boats radioed in convoy positions and status reports right? Would've been even more frequent updates on bearing if there was a fucking radar announcing the bearing to the entire universe multiple times a second.

Unless of course you mean a passive signal detector, which the Germans did have in late 1942 to detect when a radar was in the vicinity.

>Same thing with the American subs, who had a TDC that could actually be called a computer.

Yeah, sorry about that.

>So could the American subs.

Don't think I've ever read about the American TDC calculating independent gyro angles for multiple torpedoes at the same time.

>And that's forgetting the massively superior torpedo armament of American boats.

Like what? Both of the nations had completely useless electric torpedoes until 1942 and both of them had problems with magnetic detonation.

Doesn't change the fact that an American submarine wouldn't survive for half a day in the Atlantic because of its size, slow dive times, noisy underwater operation and lack of maneuverability. The German Type IX had far lower survivability than the type VII for exactly the same reason that American submarines would have.

Yes, I mean that. The Anglo-American system bunched up dozens of merchant ships in a convoy with an escort screen of anywhere between 4-8 destroyers and often even escort carriers for constant air coverage. The Japanese hardly used convoys at all, and sent lone merchants or just a small group of them out at sea by themselves.

Jack Northrop did it first.

And he did it bigger.

Supposedly in 1981, shortly before he died, Northrop was able to see one of the scale prototypes of the B-2. Supposedly (unable to speak due to cancer) he wrote "Now I know why god has kept me alive these last 25 years."

>they were flooded with tons of shit like Gewehr 43(not to mention 41).

A rifle so bad they fixed it by copying the gas system from the SVT.

>Not for 4 targets at the same time.
Source?
>let me announce my presence to literally EVERY retard in the area
Three words: air search radar.
>Don't think I've ever read about the American TDC calculating independent gyro angles for multiple torpedoes at the same time.
And I have never read anything that says the American TDC was inferior to the German one in any way.
>Like what?
Gato-class submarine:
>Six forward tubes
>Four rear tubes
>24 torpedoes
Type VII:
>Four forward tubes
>One rear tube
>14 torpedoes

>an American submarine wouldn't survive for half a day in the Atlantic
The Atlantic is a pond compared to the Pacific.

Like a lot of people have mentioned they did some interesting things with jets and rocketry. At the same time they were kind of crazy when it came to trying anything really so they had a lot of weird programs that amounted to nothing.

That makes for some interesting cable TV in our time.

>The Horten brothers only built the Ho 229
They started with flying wing designs in the early 30's you retard

...

And Jack Northrop did in the 20's.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flying_wing_aircraft

>all those words words words words words for a fat joke

Why, Rowntree, why?

>gliders

ayy lmao.

Obligatory...

As much as I hate these /pol/ bait threads, I must admit, the damn fascist bastards got us started on the last, best hope, to save the human race.

>Source?

The German TDC was an angle-solver that could input a torpedo spread angle and track multiple targets (especially useful in convoys) at the same time.

>Three words: air search radar.

Thus causing all potential shipping and especially convoys to reroute around the area when you've announced your presence and send two or three hunter-killer groups your way.

Do you not see how this is fucking retarded? German submarines did have radar systems from 1943 and on, but they didn't use them because it fucked up their mission.

>And I have never read anything that says the American TDC was inferior to the German one in any way.

It was superior, it tracked range too, but it also made it slightly slower (IIRC 1 second calculation time), while the German TDC was instant.

>Gato-class submarine:

The US didn't operate sea-based refueling and rearmament to the same extent that the Germans did. In the Atlantic it was very common.

>The Atlantic is a pond compared to the Pacific.

But much more dangerous. I'm not talking about the size or the depth of the ocean for fucks sake, I'm talking about the operational parameters. The German submarines were better suited for the job.

Well, was about jet engines.
I see no jet engine on , so what's your point really?

It is a meme

Soviet technology was far more advanced, original, and reliable as a whole (such as T-34 and AK-47)

weren't the Soviets the first to field test night vision optics on their tanks?

this

They were ahead in some areas and behind in other areas.

A mixed bag really.

Berlin was already a center of science before Hitler took power.

It's my understanding that they partly fucked themselves by getting rid of Jewish academics and labeling whatever the hell they happened to be working on as "Jewish science," then supplemented it with an outdated/plain old wrong version of reality called "Aryan science." Dunno how much it affected their wartime tech development, but it kept them out of quantum physics and probably didn't do any favors for their already anemic nuclear bomb effort.

Nobody doubts the abilities of the Nazi scientists, but the projects they worked on were often unwise and politically or ideologically motivated, and the competition in other powers was not exactly sleeping. And more scientists is always a good thing if the funding exists, that doesn't mean German scientists were superior for being up for grabs.