Has any group in history suffered worse than the entire collective Amerindian cultures?

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t. Schlomo Shekelberg

The numbers might be inflated, user.

Anyone can claim to be Indian, even if they're 1/128th Cherokee

There weren't a whole lot of Injuns before our ancestors arrived.

The whole of North, Central, and South America was connected in one huge decentralized trade system. Then famine, overhunting, climate change, migration, war, and disease over a hundred or so years lead to the North America turning into a post apocalyptic warzone ala Mad Max. And then just a few hundred years after tribes had formed and the pieces were started being put back together, Aliens invade said Mad Max style warzone.

According to the 2010 census, there were 2,932,248 people who said they were """""pure"""" Indian, and 2,288,331 people who were part Indian part something else, for a total of 5,220,579, making them 1.68% of the population (US Population in 2010 was 309,349,689). The majority of Injuns are mixed heavily. Most Tribes base their membership on ancestry, not blood. I'm dating a woman who is 1/64th Injun, and she is legally entitled by Tribal Law to free healthcare and education at Tribal hospitals and schools, for example.

>Also are they forced to live on the reservations? I don't think there's anything stopping them from going out and doing stuff in the US (on top of getting apologizing welfare money for just existing)
No. They are not forced by any law. Their various cultures are highly anti-education and VERY intolerant of anyone who doesn't fit what an "Indian" should be however, similar to Blacks, and anyone who wants to rise above their station in life is shunned. Alcoholism is rampant, as is corruption. Indians have so many economic benefits it's actually quite sad they haven't totally dominated at least one industry.

The whole situation is fucked:

Most of the houses on reservations are shit.

The Elders often seem to be more concerned with making money from the government or casinos than with helping their tribe. They are also concerned with the idea of preserving the culture of their tribe, and so may focus funds on cultural teaching to the young rather than prevention of substance abuse.

Reservations are on the parcels of land that settlers didn't want and thus are subpar for resource collection.

But this is the big one: Few kids have the parenting needed to turn them into functioning adults. This is due to the problem of substance abuse. You may have heard about the recent opioid epidemic in the US. I'll tell you right now that a significant percentage (more than any other ethnic group in the country, I'd wager) of the native population has problems with either substance abuse and/or gambling. The "natives love to drink" thing is not 100% a meme, though it isn't as widespread as one might think. Because of the problems with substance abuse, many children are a. abused, b. raised by people who aren't their parents, and/or c. exposed to substance abuse as "normal". Moreover, due to acting out in school at a young age because there is nobody who cares about such behavior at home, many kids get a bad rap and in turn become more antagonizing towards authority figures. It must also be said that any such encounters will be made 10x worse if the teacher is white, because this allows the child to think that the teacher is singling them out because of their race. And substance abuse again rears its head as the child matures into a teenager. They will thus be exposed to and pressured into using substances such as heroin.
And thus the cycle begins anew.

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The Pre-Clovis people for one.

I agree!

Almost all of them, yes.

Me

I love this story so much

most of the reservations are so shit because the chiefs don't give a fuck and steal everything that isn't nailed down. On rezes where the chief cares (and they aren't in the ass end of nowhere) they usually end up as well off or better than white areas because the government has so many programs in place to help natives

Because they didn't do shit.

lmao

A fact that many people forget about the casinos is that in many areas many of the gambling addicts who fund the casino are themselves members of the tribe. This allows, since the profits from the casino go back to the tribe anyways, for a loop where natives get money from the tribe and gamble it away at the casino, from which some of the money is then eventually returned to the gambler's pockets.

In addition, many natives are unwilling to leave the reservation because a. they will lose many of the benefits of living there such as freedom from taxation and a guaranteed income, and b. the first factor makes it so that there is almost zero presence of a native outside of the reservation systems, so they will be hard-pressed to find people with similar origins and backgrounds in the city.

The biggest issue for people who live near reservations but are not a part of them, meanwhile, is the meaning of the sovereignty of the tribes established by the treaties. This means that the tribes, like the states, generally cannot be sued without their own consent. The whole thing is rather difficult to explain because the boundaries are not often easy to find, particularly on the issue of resource exploitation.

tl;dr: unless the elders get serious about stopping the endless cycle of addiction natives will be fucked forever

t. guy who grew up next to the rez.

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>get serious
Doesn't seem like anything but nannying them by cutting of their free money and managing their casino income if not preventing their own from wasting money there will get them to do anything.

Looks like things will stay the way they are until a wave of austerity hits the nation.

Well speaking from personal experience as a Native I had a bit of a strange time growing up. My community is part reservation and part non reservation 'treaty land' which we basically took from the government by suing them over a treaty dispute and won the case, as well as a very large sum of money to compensate for lost revenue on that land.

We pay all the same taxes as everybody else and don't get all that much for free aside from limited dental care and some programs to help the elderly or disabled get rides to doctor's appointments and such but that comes from the tribe's own funds and not the government. Actually part of the settlement was that the government would not give us anything else after that which was fine by us.

There are benefits that one can apply for such as education and rehab grants but there are a limited number of slots to be filled so not everyone gets them and they tend to be private organizations so where they get their funds I don't know, I think it is usually large companies that want good PR and can write off their donation come tax season but that is just speculation on my part.

That being said things are going better slowly but surely, the tribal council is trying to use the money in a sustainable way but most of them are also dinosaurs who don't want to adapt with the times so there isn't much commercial development out here. My tribe is probably doing better than others since the people in charge started to tackle the substance abuse issue and created a series of jobs for the community, not to mention a large number of after school programs and facilities for the youth to take part in and for the most part it has done wonders. There is no stigma against people trying to educate themselves out here but there is no encouragement either so that needs to be worked on as well.

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That being said it is interesting to see the difference between my community and the rez that we are located next to. I have never experienced life like that so I won't bother commenting on it, however I do have family members who do come from that life and they have problems of their own which seem to work in a cycle.

Actually it is a bit surreal to travel between the two communities and see the invisible border that separate the two since and see the difference in quality of life between them. There are a lot of hardworking people that do live on the rez, most of them are seasonally employed working as fire fighters, and since my province has at least one major forest fire every single year they earn their pay.

As for the corruption and crooked chiefs thing, well as far as I can tell a lot of it is a case of uneducated, selfish, and plain greedy pricks getting into positions of power. I mean let's be honest here, head honchos immorally or illegally lining their pockets is by no means a native thing, it just gets a lot more attention than Wallstreet since they can just tell the media to clam up about it.

I am glad that the people who are running the show right now are not totally like that and even then they will be retiring soon as they are all getting too old to keep doing it anymore. There is a generation of younger and more educated people just waiting for that day when they can run and start trying to make things better than they already are so I honestly do have hope for the future of my tribe.

Sorry for the ramble but I just wanted to get that off my chest, I could go on about other things about my life or what it is like to be a native, at least around here but I won't bore Veeky Forums with that unless someone wants to hear it.

While most natives were killed by disease, they were not actually scoured from the Earth.

All of the USA was conquered over the course of it's history from individual tribes. There was no time in the C19th that the USA was at peace.

There is no collective amerindian culture. Those savages hated each other, Aztecs sacrificed thousands of prisoners from other tribes remember? Good thing we civilized them.

Enjoy your (you)

>hey haven't totally dominated at least one industry.
They dominate the casino industry.
Some of them also got hella rich off of resource extraction.

Most indigenous groups suffered after European arrival, but some managed to survive and even thrive until the XIXth century, when they could no longer compete with big white armaments.

The Comanche, for example, even managed to built an empire and BTFO the Mexicans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comancheria

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche–Mexico_Wars

>The Legislature of Chihuahua described the situation it faced in 1846. "We travel the roads…at their [i.e., the Comanches and Apaches] whim; we cultivate the land where they wish and in the amount they wish; we use sparingly things they have left to us until the moment that it strikes their appetite to take them for themselves."[25] The Comanche raids deep into Mexico created fear that the Comanche soon might even be seen "on the streets of Mexico City."[26] Traveler Josiah Gregg said that "the whole country from New Mexico to the borders of Durango is almost entirely depopulated. The haciendas and ranchos have been mostly abandoned, and the people chiefly confined to the towns and cities."[27] When American troops invaded northern Mexico in 1846 they found a devastated landscape and a demoralized people. There was little resistance to the Anglo-Americans. Some Mexicans in the north perhaps welcomed the US invasion with the hope that the U.S. would be more successful in fighting the "barbarians" than Mexican forces had been.

“The Conestogas were not the first tribe wiped out by colonists,” Brubaker added, “but the Paxton Boys’ murderous rampage was one of the most violent and successful attempts at what we today would call ethnic cleansing. Many Conestoga were Christian, and they had lived peacefully with their European neighbors for decades. They lived by bartering handicrafts, hunting, and from subsistence food given them by the Pennsylvania government. Because of a snowstorm, most of the Conestogas had been unable to reach home the previous evening and spent the night with neighbors. Those at the camp were scalped, or otherwise mutilated, and their huts were set on fire. Most of the camp burned down

>>The Legislature of Chihuahua described the situation it faced in 1846. "We travel the roads…at their [i.e., the Comanches and Apaches] whim; we cultivate the land where they wish and in the amount they wish; we use sparingly things they have left to us until the moment that it strikes their appetite to take them for themselves."[25] The Comanche raids deep into Mexico created fear that the Comanche soon might even be seen "on the streets of Mexico City."[26] Traveler Josiah Gregg said that "the whole country from New Mexico to the borders of Durango is almost entirely depopulated. The haciendas and ranchos have been mostly abandoned, and the people chiefly confined to the towns and cities."[27] When American troops invaded northern Mexico in 1846 they found a devastated landscape and a demoralized people. There was little resistance to the Anglo-Americans. Some Mexicans in the north perhaps welcomed the US invasion with the hope that the U.S. would be more successful in fighting the "barbarians" than Mexican forces had been.

So they knew they were invading a sovereign state?

go get attention at facebook, you little (you)whore

Clearly you have not lost $5000 and spent an additional $500 for a 'body rub' across the stret at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood Florida.

>forced to live

They can leave whenever they fucking want, nobody is holding them in at gunpoint.

>Culture has been reduced to stereotypes

Their culture is absolute garbage to begin with and instead of noble savaging about it we should laugh at it.

>Their culture is absolute garbage to begin with and instead of noble savaging about it we should laugh at it.

>It's an "America is butthurt about not having a culture so he tries to belittle people who actually have one" episode.

I'm European by birth and sticking horse hair into your dick and eating children is not "culture", it's laughable savagery.

Europeans are savages too.

t. Chief Sore Bottom

t. Chong

>90% population decrease since the Europeans arrived

After they arrived but for all but the east coast tribes the "great dying" was pre contact. The Europeans expanded easily into what was already essentially a Fallout game.

>than the entire collective Amerindian cultures

If we're allowed to make composites like this, I think we can conclusively say that the entire collective Amerindian cultures plus the rest have suffered more than just the entire collective Amerindian cultures.