Which is more impressive?

I used to believe this too- the British Empire seems unimpressive when you look at the peoples conquered, but only because that isn't a good measure of how great it was. Britain had near-absolute naval supremacy, important trade monopolies and pioneered advancements in science and engineering.
Britain's technological advantage makes the victories themselves less remarkable, but the fact that Britain was able to accomplish such advancements is surely impressive in itself.

If we look at the scientific achievements of Empires as an indication for their greatness, surely the German Empire would outweigh the British, since the Germans were the first nation to pioneer organic chemistry, quantum physics and modern warfare. Heck had it not been for Fritz Haber (chemist who invented a method to synthesize ammonia) most of us wouldn't be here today, due to synthesized Ammonia being a vital component for the functioning of modern day agriculture and food production.

The fucking Qing Dynasty man
Everyone fucked over them

Militarily the Mongol conquests were possibly a more impressive feat. On all other fronts probably the British.

I think it's a good parameter (along with cultural impacts etc, also why I think the Roman Empire was the greatest in history), so perhaps so. But I definitely don't believe the Mongols came anywhere close.

>WE WUZ

Lol no, Germany is a distant third or fourth after Britain, the USA, and France.

Well the Qing wuz decadant n shitz yo

Corruption went rampant due to Opium epidemic across all levels of state

The Mongols introduced many innovations, such as the first pony express, as well as being great supporters of trade and bringers of peace (after the conquests, obviously) to their vast empires.

Technically the Romans didn't invent that much. Most of Roman technology and science was just a plagiarization/continuation of Greek science and technology. The only technologies which were unically Roman were aqueducts and aeolipiles (a form of primitive steam engine)

Bitch please, France didn't invent shit.

>aeolipiles

Hero of Alexandria.

Au contraire, there was a time when they matched Britain for scientific progressiveness. It was only in their failure to transition to a modern economy that France faltered, and then there was all that nonsense about conquering the world and France's potential ended up spunked into the time-encrusted sock of history.

The mongols controlled anatolia..?

Why did you pick a map of the British Empire that excluded the American colonies?

These threads are always filled with heritage jerking

nobody cares about history they just want their countries they like to look good, and countries they don't like, to look bad

You just explained Veeky Forums

The Empire never had such holdings, that was the Kingdom of England and, after 1707, the Kingdom of Great Britain. Britain wasn't an Empire until Victoria was crowned Empress of India.

>owns the ocean
>gets absolutely demolished on land by askari

Except, you know, cars, airplanes, vaccination, helicopters, air forces...

>implying

What are Lavoisier, Pasteur, Pascal, Lumières brothers, Braille, Ampère, Apper etc

ETERNAL ANGLO

RULED OVER SOME FUCKING NIGGERS

YOUR EMPIRE WAS A FUCKING JOKE

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

>still butthurt about how hard we fucked you

Top kek m8.

>France didn't invent shit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_French_origin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_inventions_and_discoveries

>10598
>
>Bitch please, France didn't invent shit.
excecept maybe fucking cars people brownies bears medusa georgian architecture radiohead....

KEK. FUCKING ETERNAL ANGLO BT THE FUCKING O'D.

Britain is literally the creator of the modern world, responsible for the industrial revolution, modern politics, the language you're reading this in, and did the vast majority of the worlds most important inventions.

>Cars

Invented by Karl Benz (German)

>Airplanes

Invented by the Wright brothers (American

>Vaccination

I'll give you that one

>Helicopters

Overrated invention, with basically same function as a plane.

>Air forces

Just gather a bunch of aeronautic vessels and supply them with machine guns and you've got yourself a air force.

There were no Arab empires by the point of the Mongols invading from the Steppes and Central Asia into Western Asia and the Near East. The Persians were under the yolk of the Khwarmaian dynasty, a Turkic empire. The Abbassids were falling apart at the seams before then because of the Iranian Intermezzo period fractured their connections to the Silk Road and were reasserting themselves, Egypt had broken away iirc, and the Turks were overrunning shit already.

I consider the Mongols more impressive. They still have the largest continuous land based empire in history. Only other empire besides the British Empire to compare is the Achaemenid Empire.

The Mongols. The Brits were pretty shit at fighting anyone on the continent (see the Crimean War) because they geared their entire army to a colonial and garrisoning force. The only reason they didn't get their shit pushed in was because of their trade and navy. Just think, if the Doggerland was still there how easily Britain would be raped countless times

>Cars
>Invented by Karl Benz
Factually false
The first one was invented by Cugnot
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas-Joseph_Cugnot
Benz simply produced it en masse

>Airplanes
>Invented by the Wright brothers (American
Wrong, but is wrong too
Planes were invented by a Brazilian guy

>Helicopters
>Overrated invention, with basically same function as a plane.
Helicopters have a huge role in modern warfare
A role that airplanes can't have

>Air forces
>Just gather a bunch of aeronautic vessels and supply them with machine guns and you've got yourself a air force.
Yet the French thought of it first

>The Brits were pretty shit at fighting anyone on the continent

Tell that to Old Boney. Or the French at any point during the middle ages, really. Britain punched well above it's weight even before colonialism.

>Flintlock
>Minié ball
>Smokeless powder
>First modern tank
>First mass-issued semi-automatic rifle

>Tell that to Old Boney
Is that some kind of troll?
Britain was pathetic during the Napoleonic Wars
It took them 6 fucking years to take back Spain from a secondary French army not even lead by Napoleon
If it wasnt for the Russians, Europe would still be French

>Or the French at any point during the middle ages
They spent their time humiliating the English during that period
Pic related

For a country with 1/5th the population and wealth of France, they did pretty well.

>Tell that to Old Boney
Takes you 4 years and millions of men to beat 1 empire and 2 sick men? Wow so powerful!
>Or the French at any point during the middle ages
You mean how it took you 100 years to take France when Germany did it in a few months? And how you ultimate undoing was a teenage peasent girl from bumfuck nowhere, France.

Eternal Anglo pls

Doesn't matter who does it first, only who does it last. Britain loses every battle except the last one.

France was also the most dominant power in Europe for nearly a thousand years. Give credit where credit is due, massive population, fairly stable, major regional power able to exert itself in multiple wars. Hell even a crumbling France BEFORE Napoleon took charge in the late 18th century was holding off the British, Austrians, etc...

*A country with a massive navy which they never failed to use to monopolize their position as the most powerful seapower in Europe for over 300 years

>wright brothers invented the airplane
REEEE ITS GLOURIOUS BRAZILIAN ACHIEVEMENT
REEEE

jeeze lads stop taking things that have nothing to do with you so seriously

>Takes you
>You mean how it took you
>And how you
>you

Which one of us was alive during any of these wars?

Can we all keep the muh heritage roleplaying on /int/?

I'm not aiming this just at the french fella, but to everyone.

>What is Battle of Agincourt?

A single battle, in a era of multiples wars (as opposed to a battle) won by France over England, as you can see on the pic

A single battle, not a war. The French permanently removed the English from any holdings in Europe after all.

And of course an austist had to sperg out about that, as usual...

Britain didn't build it's navy until after the 100 years war, and Britain managed to achieve naval supremacy against French and Spanish monarchs who devoted the huge treasuries of their realms in a futile attempt to keep LE ANGLO ETERNAL hemmed in.

Bongs btfo

yeah well I beat you in fucking dozens of battles

>ride around on horses killing everyone and taking their stuff
>highly coordinated logistics between brilliant men on multiple continents using advanced technology to create a hugely profitable trade network
rly makes u think

I've never been in a battle, unless you mean CoD in which case nu-uh I have mad skillz innit 360 NO SCOPE

>Britain loses every battle until foreigners win the last one

militarily the Mongols were more impressive but on pretty much everything else the British were superior

>Planes were invented by a Brazilian guy
The Wright brothers' flight was a whole 3 years before Alberto Santos Dumont made his. Dumont's only major achievement with his plane was that it was the first one that didn't need a catapult to take off.

>use clever horse tactics to conquer equally advanced people
>go around the globe to machinegun spear-yielding niggers and take their wasteland

Hey, hey, be fair.
>initially go around the globe to musket and cannonball natives already decimated by European diseases

>brits will always be eternally assblasted that we destroyed their shitty empire by showing the world that they cant even hold onto a small island right beside them
>even after trying for hundreds of years and multiple genocides
>they are left dealing with the fake shithole they created on this island forever too, eternally embrassing them in the eyes of civilised nations

Mongols, especially for conquering China. Had it not been for untimely death of Ogedei this wouldn't even be a disputed topic

fuck off lad this is a big boy country thread

and soon Northern Ireland will return to true Ireland now that Brexit has happened

>multiple genocides
>implying bogtrotters are human

Top craic you petrol-sniffing potatonigger. Enjoy your niggers and EU aids.

don't forget:

London wants independence.

Wales wants independence.

Scotland wants independence.

Cornwall wants independence.

Scarborough wants independence.

Gibraltar wants independence.

Britbongs have fucking destroyed themselves.

>uk talking about niggers

Britain was already a major naval power in the 1600s, the loss of the Spanish Armada signaled the rise of the British as the preeminent naval power in Europe for the next 200 something years. Regardless of this, they have NEVER failed to use it to its maximum potential to ensure other European powers (Spain, France, Germany, Italian city-states, etc...) would ever rival them.

we're about 86% white

Ireland is 8% white

So they achieved hegemony and then maintained it for centuries? Sounds pretty successful to me.

no it means theyt LE ERTENAL ANGLO go home NIGE

Yeah you sure look it

When the Romans were cucking you, did they bring monkeys to England and make your ancestors fuck them?

No, it means that you're drastically underplaying the whole "WE WAZ A SMALLER COUNTRY N SHIT" angle because they always have used their navy to enforce their socioeconomic power as a merchantile based country.

Having a small population is no handicap when you can starve out your enemies trade and commerce or wealth over the sea lanes.

c'mon paddy, you're SCIENTIFICALLY more ape-like

You know, as an American, its always amusing to see how much hostility there is between the Irish and English. Even in the New World, the Irish carried that shit over during the Civil War.

youtube.com/watch?v=EQL_EQi3M3o

>1800s propaganda
>science

This is clearly satire

You seem to imply that just because Britain was small and poor, it follows that it was easy for them to maintain an "unfair" dominance at sea. Britain contested control of the seas with the Dutch, the Spanish and the French and eventually even the Germans, and won every time. It has a record of dominance at sea comparable with the Ottoman dominance at land, a nigh unheard of hegemony over the most fractious and economically powerful region in the world. By contrast teh French leveraged the most bountiful and prosperous part of Western Europe to be the "also ran" of world Empires and now merely part of new German Reich in the making. That's if the Arabs don;t turn it into an Islamic Republic first.

Eugenics was a big thing in the late 1800s and early 1900s in the West. It wasn't satirical at all.

I never said Britain was poor. Nor did I say anything about fairness at all here. Please read my post.

Maybe you have autism and cant understand humor

Everyone here has autism.

Poe's Corollary strikes again.

The "anglo-teutonic" person looks like a classical greek statue, not some saxon pig fucker

it's scientific you dumb paddy

Lettow-Vorbeck was pretty much the best guerilla general ever

>Lol no, Germany is a distant third or fourth after Britain, the USA, and France.

The U.S. was mostly an irrelevant back-woods nation until the Spanish-American War of 1898 and wasn't a major player until after WWI.

USA was literally the (modern) China of the late 19th century. Sure it wasnt in the stupid overseas games Europeans were playing initially, and neither was it militarily powerful compared to other European Powers (mcfucking Volunteer Militias for an army) but it was a manufacturing giant in the western world.

50% of Americans were still farmers in 1920.

Just like Modern China!

>SA was literally the (modern) China of the late 19th century
This is true. We literally did a complete 180 on all of our founding beliefs for the sake of money and good times. Americans went from fighting imperialistic anglos to murdering anti-imperialist Filipinos, Caribbean peoples, Latinos, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

Him vs Mao who wins

Mao wasn't a guerilla general, he was a politician.

You're looking at Zhu De and Peng Dehuai as the originators of the CCP's "People's War"

most of the dead are disease not battle the germans were successful by avoiding action, not because they won standup fights

youtube.com/watch?v=at35oIfhMVM

I wonder if 800 years from now we'll remember Hitler like this. Only focusing on the positives like technology and not the negatives.

>Both are pretty unimpressive when you look at the people conquered

The Mongols went across some of the most powerful empires, kingdoms, and states in their time.