Deutsch Bank-EU Collapse?

5mileys
5mileys

Guys- WTF is going on in EU?

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cointelegraph.com/news/rothschild-dumps-us-dollar-for-gold-other-currencies-bitcoin
youtube.com/watch?v=-LefgjpmXS0
youtu.be/mcJmzEawWi0
google.co.uk/finance?cid=6988887
danielpipes.org/comments.php/172982

Playboyize
Playboyize

its ogre. 2008 again and it hasn't even started. Next Italy default and another economic meltdown. I hope that all your wealth is in non euro fiat or gold.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

"Refugees".

Methshot
Methshot

srsly I don't know WHAT is going on know, what will happen the next few days/weeks

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Market opening tomorrow is going to be fun.

Which way will it go?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I'm really scared RN, if it really collapses EU is going to be a huge warplace

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Why worry? You have no influence in any of this. Just buckle up and enjoy the ride bro.

Nojokur
Nojokur

well I'm in austria->I'm part of the EU-> It will affect me bigtime

Snarelure
Snarelure

something new about this matter?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Honestly Schiff & Maloney are right.

Watch the bond market and precious metals over the next 9 months. The stage is set for a recession being announced in Dec/Feb, if Donald Trump wins the election he'll be one of the many scape goats. It's just fucking obvious at this point.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Up ~5% at open, tanks back down within first 3 hours. Normally how stuff I'm interested in goes.

Illusionz
Illusionz

that doesnt sound that bad, I hope the situation does get better

Techpill
Techpill

if Donald Trump wins the election he'll be one of the many scape goats

He's said that himself. I remember at one of his rallies he went off on a tangent about how we're due for another recession and if it has to happen he hopes it's before he becomes president.

And I'm sure, if he brings it up in a future debate that will impact people's perceptions.

oy vey

Methshot
Methshot

Just to double check, is this the part where we panic violently and I burn through my 6 months stock of drugs?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Britain will suffer economic collapse if Brexit

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHO'S COLLAPSING NOW

TreeEater
TreeEater

Why would I even care if I don't live in germany and don't even use german banks?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Because when Germany collapses all the refugees will leave the country and move to yours, collapsing your country as well?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

because it wont only be the german bank collapsing if it goes down you total cretin
one of the biggest banks in the world about to go bankrupt
LOL WHY WOULD I CARE IM FROM MURRICA AFTERALL

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

The UN announced in a report that the next recession will include mass defaults.

feelsgoodman.jpg

This credit and non-stop fiscal deficit growth was retarded to begin with

Emberfire
Emberfire

Can someone just explain wtf happened to the DB to cause this?

SniperWish
SniperWish

It's down 7 percent today as well. Is this it, lads?

DeathDog
DeathDog

now what do i invest in this?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You don't.

Let it collapse.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Gold, TVIX or shorting the euro with, say, the etf EUO.

happy_sad
happy_sad

How is Australia part of the EU? It's not even in Europe... Unless you mean the Emu Union?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Europe.

w8t4u
w8t4u

dude- AUSTRIA, not australia ....

askme
askme

Austria you fucking pussy

You know, the country named after that meme economic school of thought

Bidwell
Bidwell

twitter.com/Accendo_Mike/status/780729101132890112

hit that 5 euro button boys

massdebater
massdebater

Keep in mind that Article 50 has not yet been invoked. We're still a full member of the EU until then. Any apocalyptic predictions won't apply until it actually happens.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Deutsche bank is getting fucked over Ireland Apple tax bill. That's pretty much it.

SniperGod
SniperGod

This.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Yeah that pretty much it. Apart from that they're fine.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Buy ETH and hold

Inmate
Inmate

Prepare for civil war my friends

viagrandad
viagrandad

Guys- WTF is going on in EU?

DeathDog
DeathDog

So if the DB goes belly up what exactly would happen?

It wouldn't affect the goods markets much would it?

So what would change? German gouverment would have a lot less tax money, many people lose their jobs and the rapefugees either chimp out or move away?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

one of the largest banks in the world collapses
retards keep acting lik it only will hit one country

Refugees wont chimp, Germacucks will continue to give them free stuff even if they have to starve themselves for it.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Ok so the same shit happens all over the world.
Still the goods markets would be pretty much uneffected.

Refugees wont chimp, Germacucks will continue to give them free stuff even if they have to starve themselves for it.
Yeah no the only reason it even got this far is because of good economy.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

DB won't collapse because as some have pointed, it would be apocalyptic for the financial system as a whole

the EU will 100% bail out DB before it collapses,

there's no way Juncker will let it collapse, not after having spent his whole life building a gigantic tax evasion scheme that could be hindered by this collapse

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Something new about this matter?, or is everything ,,fine" now

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Im buying in bulk. Keep selling you idiots.

Skullbone
Skullbone

It's even lower now than the 2008 crash. This isn't going to be just a big hit on Germany/the EU, this is going to be a big hit on fiat in general. I think the transition to crypto is right around the corner, they are even working on making some changes on the protocol level to implement crypto on a global scale - as far as making transactions.

captcha: LEADING

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

But they literally don't have enough money?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Haven't you guys been shorting DB?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

So the next crash is obviously about to happen.
I thought it would take til 2019 but whatever.

So, what do?

Lunatick
Lunatick

How many more days/weeks/months can they keep her propped up?

I feel like it's going to dip into the single digits anyday now...

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Just a stock price. Doesnt nessecarily mean its going BK just that more people are selling the stock than buying it...

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It will tomorrow probably.

Which means a lot of people will sell their shares automatically

SniperGod
SniperGod

finanzen.at/aktien/Deutsche_Bank-Aktie?rd=fn
Looks like they are going slightly up today, I really hope it doesn't come to the worst case scenario ...
Not that I'm a businessman, but I'm scared about my security, protests against the state etc

WebTool
WebTool

The always go up and then down later in the day.
Happened the whole week/last week.

Not that I'm a businessman, but I'm scared about my security, protests against the state etc
Hell no it's time this happens. No more hand outs for rapists

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

2008 was shit- I don't want it to repeat, repeat in a greater chatastrophy then it was ...

Booteefool
Booteefool

But this time it will be far bigger than 2008,

Unlike 2008 with shorter shifts+a million more out of a job riots won't be far off.

Best caste Merkel gets sacked and handouts for rapefugees stop which makes them leave.
Worst case Merkel stays, rapefugees still get gibs, government tries to seize private wealth once they completely ran out of tax money and a civil war starts.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Yup! Now to ride it all back up again with a miracle

Playboyize
Playboyize

Bailouts aren't magical things that come from fairy dust, if they bailout DB it's going to cost them a lot more than just the money they don't have.

Techpill
Techpill

Well I'm a student and work parttime, but I'm more worried about my family and their workplace security etc

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

You should be more worried about them if it continues as it does now.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

If DB gets bailed out then won't Greece, Spain and Italy rage quit the EU?

Also, haven't seen mention yet of the $14 billion fine about to be levied against DB by the US. Sort of incredible that that alone could sink the bank if they don't try to raise capital.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

How can they even be bailed out?
Isn't it impossible by now?

MPmaster
MPmaster

I read an article in the WSJ today about how the housing market is a bubble again.

captcha: click all squares that are part of a bank sign

idontknow
idontknow

The Chinese housing market is a even bigger bubble.

Shit is about to go down.
Look up Juglar cycle.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Honestly not sure. Have to wonder if even the Fed could in someway become involved with provided emergency credit along with the ECB. The bankers will figure out a way to help each other, they always do.

w8t4u
w8t4u

This is just a symptom of the bigger underlying issue.

The west has been consuming more than it is consuming, relying upon debt to make up the difference.

Central banks are now issuing credit for free and with negative interest rates, some entities are now effectively paid to take credit. There are non-financial companies that make more money handling this debt than making their product as it does not require R&D, a large amount of employees (with the pension risk), etc. This capital SHOULD be used to stimulate the economy but it is instead being taken out and is increasing asset values.

Take pensions for example. The assumptions used were often based on 6% returns (I am seriously belittling the pension industry here but bear with me). Now that these sorts of returns are unobtainable when many billions are involved they are effectively a pyramid scheme. They require an increasing level of people contributing just to make up for their upcoming or current liabilities.

In short, something will have to give and many people are waiting for the first thing.

Governments, via central banks, are printing money and using negative interest rates to try to limit the damage. History shows that this is not likely to hold long term.

Eventually confidence (the real currency used at the moment) will disappear in something and cause everyone to jump ship. For example, if a sizeable portion of the European upper middle class start holding dollars and pounds instead of Euros.

Boom!

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Guys. this is the time to check how bitcoin holds. i was thinking : now dollar is probably going up, because people are selling investments on euro economy into USD. so bitcoin is going down for a while. but respecting a raising line. i bet on bitcoin, because i think whatever outcome USA elections might have the German economy can cascade a global meltdown. Not even UK can survive it. So its Gold, silver and if im betting right cryptos.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

For example, if a sizeable portion of the European upper middle class start holding dollars and pounds instead of Euros.

why should they? the interest rates for dollars and pounds are almost equally low.

w8t4u
w8t4u

why should they? the interest rates for dollars and pounds are almost equally low.

Confidence. If they believe that the Euro will be devalued faster than the dollar, for example, if hyperinflation kicks

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

cointelegraph.com/news/rothschild-dumps-us-dollar-for-gold-other-currencies-bitcoin

“The six months under review have seen central bankers continuing what is surely the greatest experiment in monetary policy in the history of the world. We are therefore in uncharted waters and it is impossible to predict the unintended consequences of very low interest rates, with some 30 percent of global government debt at negative yields, combined with quantitative easing on a massive scale,”
- Jacob Rothschild

greatest experiment in monetary policy in the history of the world
We are therefore in uncharted waters and it is impossible to predict the unintended consequences
w-w-w-hat did he mean by this

SniperGod
SniperGod

All of London's banks will move to Frankfurt if we vote for Brexit.

kek

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Da joos are goin down bb

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

IS IT TIME?
youtube.com/watch?v=-LefgjpmXS0

Soft_member
Soft_member

tfw live in Germany and my bank is Deutsche Bank

Just fuck my shit up

Bidwell
Bidwell

kek
least you can do is switch banks

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Still won't protect me from the impending fall of Germany

Playboyize
Playboyize

About time. Fuck the EU, fuck Merkel and fuck the rapefugees

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Buy puts or bearish turbos on the DAX then

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

YESS YES!! let it all collapse, than I can finally become a warlord

girlDog
girlDog

This

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

unless you have more than 100k deposited, your money is safe

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

What's going to happen when those 'economic migrants' stop receiving their welfare payments?

Inmate
Inmate

Not bankers gambling with loans in pre-2008

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I work at DB
AMA

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

What's your favorite color?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Are you and your workmates fully aware you're the laughing stock of the financial world?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

When will you finally go belly up?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

haha
i wanted to get a loan of about 100k for some flats to rent out
every bank could get me an aproximation of how much i would have to pay back each month

but not DB

the cunt there wanted to know every single detail of my income printed out
when i told her that all the other banks could give an aproximation she was bullshitting me about "laws and bank policies"
fucking fat piece of shit cunt

no wonder DB is fucking up

btw volksbank had really nice conditions

Flameblow
Flameblow

Green

Yea actually and a lot of us just laugh about it and float our resumes around

When the strategy 2020 flops

I don't work in a regional bank but I can tell you other IBs literally hate working with us

SniperWish
SniperWish

they will mortgage the future earnings of the eurozone population to bail DB out. great wailing and gnashing of teeth as eurocucks are indentured to the bailout (((bankers))).

RavySnake
RavySnake

Guess my ID changed since I left work

WebTool
WebTool

2020 flops
So like next week?

eGremlin
eGremlin

It's been failing since at least last year but execs wont admit it till 2021

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

You in NYC? I am at BAML NYC. I have a buddy starting in S&T soon at DB as a first year right out of college. I always make fun of him saying that he won't have a job soon.

Am I right though? Will he soon not have a job?

I hope desu he's kind of a douche

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I would love to fuck a girl like that.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I'm actually in the "rapidly growing" Jax branch
Inb4 lol retard

Assuming he got stiffed on pay like the rest of the new hires he should survive a layoff or two but we do smell more coming. NY always gets slashed the most with teams becoming smaller and smaller.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Jax as in FL?

Jeez didn't even know they had a location there

But I don't think he got stiffed on pay. Idk though. As an intern he made decent amount. I think $14k for the summer?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I'm dumb, are people going to short them tommorow

MPmaster
MPmaster

You will be at -30 by then.

King_Martha
King_Martha

what's the difference between DB and DBK.DE?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Oh look, it's this chart again.
treating gross notional of derivatives as some sort of risk measure
Literally zerohedge tier.

girlDog
girlDog

Do you or anyone you know do any institutional level trading?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Yea they're building more and more buildings down here. Pretty sure they'd leave NY just to save money if it wouldn't destroy their image even further.

He might be on the chopping block then especially if he's on a bigger team.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I actually work with some guys who do institutional trading

RumChicken
RumChicken

AMA
ohh i want to ask some questions because I've been trying to teach myself what I can about institutional level trading.
Do institutions really only buy when price is falling and sell when price is rising? As in,do they really build up short positions by engineering price up into an areas with a lot of buy stops, and build up long positions by engineering price down into areas with a lot of sell stops?
Are market making institutions really rapidly repriceing after they built their position to move it towards their target?

DeathDog
DeathDog

look at hsi now its going to fall barley holding itself up its at .20

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

it hasnt even happened

5mileys
5mileys

Do institutions really only buy when price is falling and sell when price is rising?

What is buy low sell high

do they really build up short positions by engineering price up into an areas with a lot of buy stops, and build up long positions by engineering price down into areas with a lot of sell stops?

The guys I work with do shit with pensions so they're not so active

Are market making institutions really rapidly repriceing after they built their position to move it towards their target?

I know a lot of the riskier positions are repriced on average monthly

Snarelure
Snarelure

Why exactly is DB going to crash? They are going to pay 10% of their fine and that will be that.

Derivative exposure is not a catalyst. Not being able to pay the fine is, but they are going to do the standard song and dance and pay a fraction of it. Aside from article 50 actually being triggered or Trump being elected president, what would cause DB to blow up?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

They will get bailed out so you should just BUY BUY BUY

The biggest bank in the EU and one of the worlds biggest wont just collapse

StonedTime
StonedTime

learning nothing from '08

Ok let me make this simple for you:

farmer grows $500 worth of crops
Farer buys $500 worth of insurance
Farmer has a net zero exposure

drought is a remote possibility, only about a .01% chance
insurance company over levers itself and insures every farm in the state
drought comes hard
every farmer loses his crops
insurance company can't cover obligations, defaults

Suddenly "net zero" farmer has $500 liability for crops and $500 exposure to insurance default.

gross exposure becomes net exposure in a blink of an eye

I don't know why retards can't fucking understand this, even though it is EXACTLY what happened in '08 when a shit ton of net zero or net short banks were suddenly exposed when CDS contracts went bad/almost went bad with the collapse of bear stearns and lehman.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I think I might have not been clear enough and so you misunderstand.
I'm more asking about concepts like the crude depiction in pic related.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Them going under 10 a share

TreeEater
TreeEater

How does their share price impact their ability to do business?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Just like it does right now

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I've seen charts like that on monitors but since I'm not a trader I'm not familiar with details sorry

SniperWish
SniperWish

How do I get a trading job in one of these places so I can learn as much as I can from their traders?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

gross dude

King_Martha
King_Martha

Fiat, refugees.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Do you have any kind of schooling or licenses?

US or somewhere else?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I would love to chain her up in my basement and force feed her to a healthy weight and then let her go.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Do you have any kind of schooling or licenses?
No fancy pieces of paper with my name on them.

US or somewhere else?
US.

But I still want to learn more about how the institutions trade, just to be clear, not learning how to sell (stockbroker).

StonedTime
StonedTime

lots of arrows and circles with no explanation. my eyes are opened

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Sell all investments. Aquire weaponry.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Thats not just America?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Without any "fancy papers" it'll be hard to get anyone to want to teach you

Either get a degree or license or start in sales in one of those hire everyone cold call type places. There you get some experience but not gonna lie it will be a grind up

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Seems to be taking a long detour to go through doing sales as a broker just to get some insights into how the institutions and market makers really do their thing, without guessing.
I can study the charts and take a guess at what they are doing but I'd like to get a inside look at how they really do it.
And dont they only take people from the top 10 universities? It seems it would be more far fetched to get into one of these elite universities.
At the very least, could I get some of the info by just running into one of them at the bar and buy him a bunch of rounds while I ask him a bunch of questions about how they trade in the institutions? Or are they sworn to some kind of secrecy?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I'D MUCH RATHER JUST PARROT INFORMATION INSTEAD OF INFORMING MYSELF; PLZ SPOONFEED ME AS IM LAZY CUNT
t. you

wat is systemic risk and whos the biggest contributor

takes2long
takes2long

Unless youre some kind of savant or hit a lucky break you will not do well in institutional trading on your own.

Regular universities still can get you pretty far especially if you make connections while you're there. It's always been more who you know than what in terms of getting hired.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Is the derivatives portion misleading due to leverage? If so, it's like me buying 10 calls with a strike price of 20 for a market price of say $500, but calling it $20,000 in exposure. I'll never lose $20,000, just my original $500.

iluvmen
iluvmen

I'll meet you in Valhalla - all shiny and chrome.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

posts a picture of arbitrary arrows and circles to make a point
bitches other people are lazy about acquiring information

Wow gee golly willickers, banks trade and do business with each other? Please internet guru, post more click bait photos to expand this quality dialogue. You're so smart but any deficiency in your teaching (i.e. anything of substance) requires further study. You should teach on the college level.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

apple tax bill
uh? How are they involved in that, dont you mean the fact that they are getting sued for subprime mortgages?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

... Is.. is it happening??

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

being a memeologist

Emberburn
Emberburn

Whats the best way to bet on the Deutsch bank or ECB failing?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

a large db leverage short since mid summer

SniperWish
SniperWish

buying gold and silve
shorting the stock (or go for put options)
buying weapons, ammo and food

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

urg fucking hell, I realized a gain with an SP500ETF a few days ago and yesterday i bought back in at 35.50cad and now the price is 35.40.
Should I sell now before it's too late?

farquit
farquit

Say, why is Merkel letting you fail?

I thought she and Josef Ackermann were best buddies

5mileys
5mileys

The ECB cannot fail, dummy. It's not a company and lacks a comprehensive balancesheeth

cum2soon
cum2soon

Indices are for buy and hold. What the fuck are you doing?

hairygrape
hairygrape

i like to take advantage of dips and peaks of indices, it's not crazy as stocks.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Lufthansa, Commerzbank, Deutsche Bank collapsing

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Been tracking this from the middle of the year, everythings turning out true

Refer too > for my past gathered info and shit

AMA

DeathDog
DeathDog

boards.Veeky Forums.org/pol/thread/90869516/its-happening#p90873592

Whoops shit, not good at this linking

eGremlin
eGremlin

What's bringing then down, in your opinion?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Copy pasting my infro from other thread:

Despite Europe's bank debt stacking up , DBK (Deutsche Bank) are being propped up by major derivative exposure amounting to 72 Trillion and keeps climbing .The derivatives are more than Germany's total GDP. Although the majority is saved by their Net , this Net is at the expense of the various counter parties. If any fail to back up then the trigger is fired and things wont be pretty.

Moving on, another issue going on here are an increase in CDS's reaching nominal peaks in 2015/16, they're still not as high yet but they've been growing internally throughout the year.
The picture attached shows DBK's CDS against JP Morgan. There's also a CDS increase on the major Italian Bank 'Monte dei Paschi ' , I'm sure there are more on the linked banks I've named below.

A bailout shouldn't happen due to new EU rules in place since 2008 on bank bailout strategies. An option against the taxpayer lays open but who's to say the government wont do both or the former, I don't now.
Check the archive for other posts , i've done a couple contributions. I'd like to say that if you're a trader, start shorting the banks now. Here's a short list so far:

HSBC,
Barclays
UniCredit
Nordea
Santander
Morgan Stanley
JP Morgan
CITI
Goldman Sachs
Standard Chartered

I can get an image of more up next post. Just short the fuck out of them and watch Quarterly reports throughout the year. There shouldn't be any great rebound , nobodies kidding anybody aboiut this and DBK telling everyone "Everything's okay" will be bullshit.

Here;s a chart of DBK Credit Default Swaps

JunkTop
JunkTop

you're not entitled to anything
tough luck if you dont understand the picture, im tired of spoonfeeding millenials

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

The thing bringing it down are bad derivatives, repackaged loans being sold to other banks and trillion Euro debt.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Thanks, but derivatives and CDSs are not bringing doom per se. It must mean that there are bankruptcies that the DB has to pay for.

Which ones would that be?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

youtu.be/mcJmzEawWi0

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

This picture's from an article back mid this year showing all linked banks sharing the loans and derivatives. Basically, short everything here , especially the EU and UK banks .

The bankruptcy finance the loans, the loans finance this mess , then come the derivatives.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Is it the apocalypsis yet?

why tv news aren't as afraid as you guys? are they trying to don't make people panic?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Why in this particular moment? The German economy seems to be doing great.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Why banks and politicians don't stop ruinning regular people's lifes?

girlDog
girlDog

Divide and conquer. Why do you think they flooded Germany with migrants? Much simpler to control. Especially when the natives have to pay the bills for the migrants.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

ISN'T IT FUNNY

cum2soon
cum2soon

tfw you didn't prepare

Who /futurecannibal/?

Gotta eat.

takes2long
takes2long

why are the tv news not reporting on hillary being owned by rothschild and holding fundraisers where asking her a question costs a few thousand bucks

the msm is misleading you and i don't really know why

maybe to give the riches more time to buy gold or silver since moving trillions of dollars could disrupt the market and accelerate the crash

rothschild also owns cnn btw

you should read shillary's leaked emails

w8t4u
w8t4u

DB afterhours is -7.16%, currently at 10.08

If it can drop below 10 it will be a big psychological hit.

I dont think it has ever been in single digits, even in the 80's

google.co.uk/finance?cid=6988887

iluvmen
iluvmen

What is the difference between regular hours and afterhours? Like will it start up tomorrow at 10.08? Or what it closed at this morning?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Its still trading but not as many people are doing it.

That leads to less liquidity, wider spreads and other issues, but it still happens.

With the big drop it means that people are panicking, probably due to a combination of the NYSE performance and perhaps some so far unreleased information....

TreeEater
TreeEater

Interesting. And thanks for answering my question. So why don't many people do it?

Snarelure
Snarelure

So 2008 again?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Looks like DB is going to give the EU a 54.7 Trillion dollar debt.......

All the country's in the world can't even bailout DB if they Try.

It's going too look like a Asteroid hitting earth.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Lol at this delusion

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

So how can we profit off this?

askme
askme

Buy cheap marzipan, sausage, beer and lederhosen.

It will be at bargain prices

Playboyize
Playboyize

you are retarded

bumping for answer

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Looks like DB is going to give the EU a 54.7 Trillion dollar debt.......

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Accelerationism?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

14trn dollar exposure to derivatives

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

necrophilia is wrong.

still would "bone" her :^)

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

have a look at this
www.xup.in/dl,19459831/1472555275108.jpg
things have been very wrong for a long time
maybe this is the fallout of this or maybe this is just another step towards (((globalisation)))
if the db doesnt get bailed out somehow i blieve the latter is the case and we're in for a mayor shitstorm
markets within the next few days will show wether or not they can keep it "floating"

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Deutsch bank is shorting its own stock. They profit by being irresponsible.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

We all have a skeleton inside of us and you have wanted to fuck them before!

Nojokur
Nojokur

*42trn euro

Booteefool
Booteefool

So is the whole world doomed now?

MPmaster
MPmaster

So is the whole world doomed now?
No this is the beginning of drastic change. The catalyst for massive structural change.

as planned.

Techpill
Techpill

FREEFALLING

What do now? Buy gold? Or buy food and beer?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Buy bullets and guns.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

"Investors should stay away from shares of Deutsche Bank and remain defensive in financial markets, Doubleline Capital founder Jeffrey Gundlach said Thursday, according to Reuters. Gundlach told the news service that it doesn't feel like the selloff is over and that the market will push down Deutsche Bank shares "until there is some recognition of support." Deutsche Bank's U.S.-listed shares tumbled Thursday after Bloomberg reported that around 10 of the lender's derivatives-clearing clients had removed excess cash and positions. Deutsche Bank shares are down more than 50% since the end of last year as the firm struggles to shore up its thin capital cushion."

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

BTC should rise in Value, if they crash right ?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Memes aside how serious is this?

I guess we can't tell at this point.

King_Martha
King_Martha

First it will shrink, as the USD gets stronger, then it will grow.

Also remember gold stocks are fake. GLD didn't follow the price of gold at all durine the 2008 crisis. Gold tripled while GLD went up 20%

askme
askme

so would you advise to wait for a potential crash and then grab BTC and Gold/Silver in the following dip ?

Bidwell
Bidwell

so should we buy gold now? I have about $4k what do I buy now to make big bucks?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

In simple terms, what the fuck happened?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

What about gold mining stocks? WILL silver also experience a rise in the event of a deutsche bank collapse?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Guys , i live near Molenbeek and i am nogunz what do ?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

KILL IT

KILL IT

Skullbone
Skullbone

lube up for Mohammad from syria

SniperGod
SniperGod

It's going to be like prison. You'll have to trade your ass for protection.

WebTool
WebTool

Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) operates in EU. Think it's €100k in Eurozone and £75k in bongland.

StonedTime
StonedTime

b-but Germany is telling everyone that refugees will save the economy...

no joke, you hear this shit all the time

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

History has an answer.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I also work for DB in Jax. I wonder if we walk by each other without knowing.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

rejected for a job at Deutsche for bullshit reason
2 days later see them getting ass fucked

Hopefully their suffering is not brief.

Evilember
Evilember

where did you get that info? short exposure is currently under 3%, and im covering only 1% of that...

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Hitler was Christian so add in everybody that died in WW2 you fucking faggot.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Did you fug

JunkTop
JunkTop

Hitler was actually more fond of islam.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

He unironically believes hitler was bad
Gee, I don't even know where to start. Oh perhaps greatest story never told?
Or if that is to much for you, why don't you just go lube up diverse bull in your living room

If dindus and skittles lose the gibs, you can bet your ass europe is gonna get torn new asshole.
Also DB is safe, not it's time to fall yet. Soros thinks few moves ahead.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

/pol/ tried to warn about this months ago but you fags wouldn't listen

Spamalot
Spamalot

/pol/ is always right about the jew but not about the happenings.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Bail out

There comes a point when even the lowest IQ retard realizes their is no point getting out of bed and going to work in the morning if Trillions keeps getting printed out of thin air with no consquence other than them getting taxed harder and harder.

likme
likme

It's kill. Brace yourselves.

PS: God help us all.

Methshot
Methshot

I work at Barclays, am I done for?

Emberburn
Emberburn

because as we all know, timing the entire market works great

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

He's not listening.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

if you've got mega balls, then yes.

for a week or 2 while the crash is first happening gold and silver will drop 20-40%, but then they'll start to skyrocket. if you can catch them on the dip you'll ride them from the basement to the moon.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

always right about the jew
jews dont control finance

I speak the saddest words of tongue and pen...

Booteefool
Booteefool

/pol/ has known that EU and Eurozone were on the brink of collapse for years. One of the main reasons /pol/ was so pro-leave was because they wanted Britain to gtfo of this shitstorm before it starts. Now GB has a massive upper hand in the Brexit negotiations. Meanwhile continent fags are going to be broke and overrun by Islam. They don't call em eurocucks for nothing.

Soft_member
Soft_member

AHAHAHAHa I hate Germans so fucking much I couldn't be happier.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

implying i dont understand the picture
implying you ever spoon-fed anyone
entitled

Please, post another enlightening over generalized image that literally explains nothing. It's ok if you don't understand and can't even elaborate on your own image. I know what image board I'm on. If you did, you might have had a better retort that didn't expose you as a 12 year old.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Quiet /pol/, grown ups are trying to talk.

idontknow
idontknow

How much is this going to affect the UK and US? Is there any way to tell or is this a wait and see situation?
I'm guessing mainland Europe is fucked beyond the help of any soothing cream.

cum2soon
cum2soon

pls go back to /pol/.

You guys realize those massive derivatives positions aren't anywhere near as leveraged as the 2008 banks were don't you?

While they're dangerous they're not going anywhere. The bank reports poor earnings, but it's also demonstrating solid response to financial analysis and it's been under astounding regulatory supervision. I think you cucks are panicking, and ultimately this is probably not a bad buy.

likme
likme

class 8 here. just wanted to say that your analysis is retarded and you should probably kill yourself tbqh. shits fucked. buy some friends

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

average joe here,
you are wrong.

love,
/g/

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Supergrass
Supergrass

Get high and watch the world burn

viagrandad
viagrandad

did hans fuck your wife while you were at work or something similar?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I am a Christian but that pic is all kinds of retarded, probably made by an inbred moron that knows literally nothing about history
sources are literally quora and youtube videos
kys for posting this shit user

Methshot
Methshot

There's also a CDS increase on the major Italian Bank 'Monte dei Paschi
Monte dei Paschi was never "major", and it's been at least a decade since they've become a shitty constantly bankrupt bank that nobody trusts and therefore nobody asks them for money

Methnerd
Methnerd

I guess /pol/ was right again. Getting real tired of that.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

danielpipes.org/comments.php/172982
seems legit

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

usury is banned in islam leave this forum NOW before I call your sheik on you kid lmao

TechHater
TechHater

Have you done a financial analysis on DB? If so, please enlighten us with your detailed opinion. Maybe we'll all learn something here.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Does this mean UK's BREXIT will protect the English?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Very few truly would know. If they do, they're off setting themselves up to make millions and billions. Everyone else is full of shit and either don't knows or will generalized - acting like an expert.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Perfect time to buy !!!
get in faggs

DB will recover anyways

happy_sad
happy_sad

This is how I feel too. Who the fucks going to let DB fail? But then I remember I don't know anything about banking and finance so my opinion is worthless.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

How can I make money off this collapse?

w8t4u
w8t4u

29:1 leverage ratio in capital assets

keep in mind the lehman brothers had a 30:1 ratio

this is happening.

soros and rothschilds have both put in a short hedging against the DB

Bidwell
Bidwell

buy the shit out of the stock market, now !

likme
likme

The haven't exited yet. They voted to but the actual exit is years away.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

You've got to realise what DB bank actually represents.They provide the funding for a majority of German companies which will all be hurt. Some may be forced to close down.

Methnerd
Methnerd

But then what about the Itallian banks that have been on the verge of collapse for months now?

Do they get bailed out too? Or is it 'not the euro problem' when it's not german banks that are failing.

If so does itally get mad and Ittalleave?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Feels like chicken will come home to roost soon.

StonedTime
StonedTime

buy low sell high (buy the crash, sell a few years later)

but really you're fine as long as your money is stored in USDs or Pounds

SniperGod
SniperGod

Perhaps look up 1400 years why we are afraid on jewtube. PhD explains to you, how badly muslims raped europe in the past. Our crusades are over, muslims still wage the holy war and kill peopl, by the thousands every year..

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I would worry when the DAX is down -8%.
Nothing is gonna happen now.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I haven't been able to find any information about 14 trn dollars in exposure to derivatives. Only about the 14 BILLION dollar fine from the U.S. Federal government that they can't pay back.14 trillion dollars is akin to the GDP of a large prosperous country.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

There is not enough money in Europe to bailout DB

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

They've reduced their derivatives from 72t to like 45t
only 10 out of 200 funds have withdrawn.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Can they not revert to pink slips, and then, restructure from bankruptcy or something similar, so everyone loses if they invest now?

farquit
farquit

SHORT
SHORT
SHORT
NOW
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takes2long
takes2long

Hello, european here. The earth just split in two in europe, there's quakes everywhere. If I can't finish this senten

Inmate
Inmate

Another European here, it's also happening to m

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

All fine here so far. Whe

Playboyize
Playboyize

North is fine what are you talking abo

Techpill
Techpill

GUYS I SEE CANDLEJACK OUTSIDE I THINK HE'S A SNI

Methnerd
Methnerd

/pol/ is being a sensationalist memer like always, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is shit really hitting the fan?

Flameblow
Flameblow

looks like it

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Looking like it will. The jews are trying to save it. But it will eventually fail.

SniperWish
SniperWish

what does that mean exactly? theyre buying it to try to keep it afloat or what? wouldnt they lose money that way?

WebTool
WebTool

it's looking bad for DB but it won't be something spectacular like a black friday today

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

They lose more money if the bank completely fails.

StonedTime
StonedTime

They do it so that normies see the price isn't dropping drastically. It's an attempt to stop people from panicking and selling their shares. If the jews didn't punp money in at a time like this, the price would drop drastically and scare the shit out of people, resulting in mass panic selling.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Well said user

DeathDog
DeathDog

the price would drop drastically and scare the shit out of people, resulting in mass panic selling.

im concerned that ship has sailed.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

It could definitely be worse, but you're right. It's not looking too good.

eGremlin
eGremlin

I have invested 1mm euros on the short position.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The catalyst for massive structural change.

Just like the massive structural change after 2008?

I'd say the model of privatizing profits and nationalizing losses thrugh bailouts might still have one or two more cycles in it to squeeze.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How do i gain profit when shit like this happen??

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I came here for explanations, yet 90% of the postings are /pol/-tier

le habbening
it's da Jews!
REEEEEE IT'S ALL OVER

Barely any educated commentary on what is happening and why.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

After Hours/Pre market is generally only available to Institutional Traders

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Bill out now

MPmaster
MPmaster

If you are christian why would you encourage someone to kill themselves?

happy_sad
happy_sad

sell everything and buy cheap but quality stocks at the bottom. like ford motor company was 2 usd in 2009 lows and is now 16 usd

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Seriously. There's literally no way Germany or the EU is just going to let DB fail.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I thought the same way about Brexit

Nowadays, anything is possible

Skullbone
Skullbone

"Our trading clients are amongst the world’s most sophisticated investors. We are confident that the vast majority of them have a full understanding of our stable financial position, the current macroeconomic environment, the litigation process in the US and the progress we are making with our strategy."

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Fairly sure EU has legislation saying it won't bail out banks if i'm remembering correctly

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Which means nothing, actually. They will bail it out if they have to- just call it something different.
The question will be 'who gets burned?'

King_Martha
King_Martha

Should I be selling my stocks in HSBC? I have a feeling if Deutsche Bank goes under it'll drag alot of shit down with it.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Short

viagrandad
viagrandad

ty senpai

Inmate
Inmate

Is City bank save lads?

likme
likme

Citi*

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

What is reading a thread?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

This might take down the market. Alot of bankrupted companies are being financed by State banks who've bought heavily into the 'lucrative' derivatives and CDS market. The 'growth' that was weak is actually an outright lie. China is in recession, once the banks default, we're looking 2/3 of Chinese industries going belly up. I looked into reports on price earnings of some major Chinese banks and heard from the ground about major partnerships during August 2015. Draw up a graph of any major Chinese bank and you might see it overlap with derivatives earnings and falls completely. At this point short anything. I'm less optimistic, I feel like it might hit around Christmas

Snarelure
Snarelure

capitalism
not even once

Emberburn
Emberburn

What if they all just don't pay the DB back? So at least the goods market survives

SniperGod
SniperGod

They said the chances of the American housing market failing was 1:several billion but it happened.
I was 100% certain they would never let Britain leave the EU but it happened.

You can't be sure anymore.

RumChicken
RumChicken

how is this surprising to any of you? has been on the skid for a long long time

DeathDog
DeathDog

JUGLAR
U
G
L
A
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My old economic policy prof told us 3 years ago that this would happen.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

research harder.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

lololol. I also read "the banks (DB) financials are stronger than ever, but the bank is facing more pressure than any other bank"

Lunatick
Lunatick

Compare deutsche and lehman br stock value.
Mix corruption, wrong financial skills, bad management and high risk derivatives and obtain a situation like this.
In Europe financial aid by government are forbidden so it's hard to find a solution without declare default, maybe 14 derivatives per 1 gdp is too high ahah
So, i'll bet on DB in long term because german government fucks EU rule.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

If Italy goes in default EU collaps in a very few time.
Germany with her surplus (8.9% gdp last year only) and bank are the most danger for other country, not Italy or Greece

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Why aren't you rich then?

Why isn't he rich then?

Spamalot
Spamalot

implying he isn't

Bidwell
Bidwell

Underrated

idontknow
idontknow

news has been awful since cryon took over. cutbacks, layoffs, exits, restructuring, etc.

doesn't take a genius to see it steadily fall from 30's to mid 11's in less than a year

and I'm sure plenty of people spotted it before then

(and i wouldn't call myself rich, but i would say i am well-off)

Methshot
Methshot

Nice
I hope you also have some plan if hyperinflation strikes and fiat becomes worthhless
What do you thimk will gain the most
Btc, eth, gold or silver?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Gold will tower silver, ETH will rival BTC in terms of gains however people are still more reluctant to trust ETH what with all the errors in recent times. This doesn't mean ETH won't see gains though

Gold
Silver
BTC
ETH

My gut says silver is under BTC bit thinking realistically not enough average people use/know how to use BTC

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Can someone explain this to me: why don't investors who have power over DB's share price short DB then leak something that will take their share price down?

E.g. say Goldman shorts DB then says it will stop offering them credit or something surely that will cause the share price to fall. = profit

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

COLAPSE

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

It illegal

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

ng them credit or something surely that will cause the share price to fall. = profit

and highly regulated.

Babby's first economics

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

underrated

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

So if something like this could crash the markets and cause gold prices to go up, what happens to the price of gold mining stocks? Up like gold or down like stocks?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Why not gold. Paper money drops Gold sky rockets

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Truth, west is on the road to inevitable economic collapse but we have a awhile before shit is irreparabe. I wish I had been born 20 years earlier or 20 years later, either to be dead or far too old to give a fuck or to be young enough to move my investments overseas,

Methnerd
Methnerd

The entire global fiat paradigm.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

They got slapped with like a $14bn fine from the US (just after the EU slapped Apple with a $14bn fine).

I'm glad that the Germans are getting fucked, it's about time someone smacked the arrogant cunts.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

It will go up..
and really hope it rises because i'm having 50k nordic mines stocks just waitin them to reopen those huge mines

Nojokur
Nojokur

Zero hedge is been right in nearly all of their predictions. They could be wrong in terms of several orders of magnitude and Deutsche bank would STILL be impossible to bail out. Stop being an idiot and see the underlying trend: the economy is on a precipice.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

The bankers will figure out a way to help each other, they always do.
Eurogroup President said if DB go down, they're on their own.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

The DOJ will impose a huge fine on DB. It's estimated to be around $14 billion but it's probably going to be less depending on the DOJs mood on that day. DB only provisioned $7 billion.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Their assets aren't paying off and their liabilities keep growing. It's a formula that all the big banks have and it isn't a winning one. The fine just exacerbated an already terminal illness.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

your jumping the gun the euro still beats the dollar, why would they abandon the euro before it's necessary, but the gap between the too has closed dramatically which cannot cease to amuse a country is almost beating a continent. I won't br laughing for long I am sure
Ja okay bro,
That's what happened in 2008 by textbook but what really happened was much worse. In fact criminal the crash in 2008 was the result of a bubble created by banks giving loans to everyone and anyone, they took these garbage loans and stuck them in them in with AAA hedge funds. They were incentivized by the US government to give loans to the poor, then transferring the extremely risky investment into a hedge fund with AAA investments. So the drought your referring to was a superficial bubble caused directly by the people insuring the crops, except they sold your fucking loan to some rich investor. So even if you did default it would not be there loss. And all they could do is profit.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Italy has been breaking EU laws to keep their banks propped up for a while now, Germany is turning a blind eye to it because they don't want Italy crashing.

If DB go down, Italy won't mention anything because if they do, Germany will fuck them on their illegal actions.

Inmate
Inmate

Denial. Yeah, they are so stable that all their major business partners are flooding the news with how stable they are plz dnt leav me plz

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Stfu polls way of bring right is throw enough shit at the wall something is bound to stick

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

that picture

Doesn't get much more slavic than that.

Snarelure
Snarelure

HODOR

Booteefool
Booteefool

I hope it all crashes

King_Martha
King_Martha

everything is back to normal. gg maybe next time

farquit
farquit

Panic is such an interesting concept

Inmate
Inmate

Who cares about their exposure as long as there is no proof of them backing a bunch of wrong horses?

14 billion dollars isn't much. They'll probably reduce it to 6 billion with some lobbying and lawyering anyway.
Cryan claimed today they have liquidity reserves to the tune of 215 billions.
Stock price literally has no bearing on how financially sound their house of cards is.

But - mainstream media in Europe started to really pick up on their stock price spiralling down. Conveniently after markets closed for the weekend, but it'll make Monday morning intersting. Due to widespread reporting I'd expect a lot of small holders remembering they have DB in their portfolio and dumping them. But this might be the bottom, so I also suspect investors to mass buy as long as it's cheap. Apart from rumours so far there's nothing substantial that would justify the drop. It's a minor panic as best as I can tell.