WWI

So WWI started because Serbia refused to give Gavrilo Princip to Austrian authorities, and instead wanted to try him themselves. Is it just me or is this the dumbest casus belli ever? How did France and England, and even America get involved in that? Did at no point German, French and British soldiers think to themselves during their 4 years in the trenches , "So what are we fighting for again? Oh, to ensure that this Serbian guy is tried in his own country". What a waste. Some peasant's life for the lives of millions. How did they justify this absurdity?

>Serbs

Not even once.

France because they were allied to Russia, Russia because muh panslavicism
Brits because Belgium
America ostensibly because Germans sank some ships with American passangers

>Did at no point German, French and British soldiers think to themselves during their 4 years in the trenches , "So what are we fighting for again?
Yes, that's how communism got popular after WWI in for example France and Germany and in Russia already during the war

WW1 would break out even if Gavrilo Princip wasn't even born.

A war started because Austria really, really, really wanted a war with Serbia - key members of its leadership had pushed for it for years now, I think it was Hotzendorf who asked for war like 20 times a year (not even kidding) - and because Germany really wanted a war with Russia, with its leadership deciding already in 1912 and then again in 1914 to tackle the potential problem of a stronger future Russia before it was late. Russia itself was also willing to mobilize in support of Serbia to maintain its prestige as well as one of its few allies in the region, but unprepared for anything beyond that.

That it turned into the worldwide mess was a result of the above countries dealing with the political situation at the time. Austria were backed by Germany basically no matter the cost and Germany saw an attack on France as a necessary part of its plan for a showdown with Russia because of the alliance between these two powers - incidentally an alliance literally created out of fears of a German attack.

As a consequence of first, the German military buildup, and second and obviously more importantly an attack on France via neutral Belgium, Britain would enter the war. US was already leaning towards the allies throughout the conflict and was a chief trading partner of Britain especially, and the straw that broke its back was the German declaration of unrestricted submarine warfare.

So really everyone had perfectly good reasons to fight, none of which were "let's fight for Gavrilo!" and no one was like "what are we doing here? lel this is useless ecks dee", I hate this meme.

It still sounds like a pointless war to me, seems it was just started by German belligerence, as always. Glad Austria was broken up after that.

Gavrilo Princip was a citizen of Austria. The Austrian ultimatum requested Serbia hand over anyone the Austrian police asks them to, censor all media deemed "anti Austrian" etc.
All the members of Young Bosnia were tried in Austria, Serbia made no requests.
Nothing was about his trial.
Tho, his lawyer (an Austrian) was sent to a concentration camp in WW2.

The war was brewing since the end of the League of 3 emperors.
The war could have started in Morocco (twice), it could have started in 1908 when Austria annexed Bosnia, and it would have started regardless.

Serbia wasn't no-one, they had a long history of bad beef with A-H. It'd be kind of like if an Iranian assassinated the Vice President and then Iran refused to hand him over, insisting he would get a fair trial for his heroic actions against the Great Satan.

Actually Hotzendorf openly clashed with Franz Ferdinand who was very cautious about going to war with Serbia and/or Russia, by killing Franz Ferdinand this Serbian fucker made the war factually inevitable, not to mention Franz Ferdinand was the guy who pushed for federalization of the empire and giving equal status to Slavic lands.

Considering Franz Josef was old as fuck, Austria with Franz Ferdinand in charge had at least some chance of avoiding the war, without him being alive it was hopeless.

>pointless war
How? Everyone had a 'point', a reason for being involved in the conflict. From wanting to achieve something through the use of arms to simply defending oneself, neither are pointless.

>"Don't trust the Austrians" - Frederick II
>"Don't trust the Austrians" - Bismarck
>"Dude let's help the Austrians lmao" - Wilhelm II

But why?

Explain the reasons for each player then.

What makes you think Hotzendorf didn't plan the assassination?
The Austrian military was performing drills at the border, on a very provocative day, and the Archduke who was a thorn in pretty much every Austrian politician's side had lackluster security. IIRC one of the assassins came up to him threw a bomb and missed.

I think Austrian brass was pretty much split when it came to the war, but it was the Hungarians who were truly retarded and wanted the war at all costs, when the war started there were mass celebrations held in Budapest. Although some of them managed to wise up obut nly after things went south (Istvan Tisza for example).

Ah yes, its the "it's the fault of one of Serb, and not of the pent-up dissatisfaction of Germany and Austria over the balance of power in Europe and the configuration of colonies in the world, mainly in Africa" reasoning which seems to simply avoid the fact that Germans and Austrians have been pushing for a war since before 1912.

>Ferdinand was the guy who pushed for federalization of the empire and giving equal status to Slavic lands
Almost half a century in due, Pan-Slavic tendencies would've never taken a hold over the Slavic parts of the Monarchy if it weren't for the Austrians and Hungarians constantly undermining their rights.

The Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 was probably one of the greatest acts of discrimination in modern European history.

Not him, but.
Austria ran up against a wall, and had nowhere to expand to, whereas other countries had colonies it had just a port in China. Serbia seemed like the easiest choice.
Germany was afraid of how powerful Russia would become if it managed to industrialize and had to prevent that from happening (even tho Bismarck wanted to keep Russia allied). Pretty much throwing Bismarck's plans out the window made the war inevitable here.
France was concerned about Germany because of the defeat in the Franco Prussian war and was looking for a rematch (with Russian help).
Britain only wanted to maintain the status quo, and joined because they didn't want one power to completely dominate Europe, they estimated it was Germany, and were correct in their assumption.
Belgium was a roadblock to France, and Serbia was a prime target, but proved a tougher nut to crack.
Italy wanted to stab Austria in the back, because muh terre irredente

>France was concerned about Germany because of the defeat in the Franco Prussian war and was looking for a rematch (with Russian help).
France was certainly not looking for a rematch in 1914. As in those in power, the government elected by the people. They actively did not want war, telling their ally not to go to war, actively hindering its military preparation, and it took a German ultimatum asking to hand over border defenses, forts and cities for them to refuse - which is already way out there in the unreasonable wacko land.

>Pretty much throwing Bismarck's plans out the window made the war inevitable here.

Yes and no. Bismarck counted on Russia being the natural enemy of Britain, but that factually ceased to be reality once Russia and Britain ended the Great Game and created the Anglo-Russian Entente in 1907. From then on, Russia was a threat to Germany.

I honestly think that if Russia wasn't completely cucked out of Afghanistan and access to India by British shenanigans, they would never focus on Eastern Europe and all that panslavist nonsense.

Austrian Monarchs were famous for having lackluster security. Archie Duke wasn't special
>Empress Ass-Assinated.
>Heir went bonkers and killed himself, admirer.
>Franz Josef himself nearly assassinated.

They didn't want war then and there, but revanchism was on the rise.

>From then on, Russia was a threat to Germany.
Well Willy II not being interested in continuing with the Reinsurance Treaty has a lot to do with that. The Russians wanted to be friends as late as 1890 and although who knows what the end of the Great Game would have brought had the Treaty not been ended, Russia as a threat to Germany is also the Germans' own doing.

>Germany was afraid of how powerful Russia would become if it managed to industrialize and had to prevent that from happening

More the reason to believe in the theory that claims that Germany had financed the rise of Bolshevism in the former Russian Empire.

If it was on the rise (after a couple of decades for some reason), why was an anti-revanchist/anti-war/socialist platform the most successful and in power?

By yes and no I meant it was both Russian and German fault that their alliance prospects went down the shitter, nobody can blame it just on Germany alone.

>telling their ally not to go to war

The French guaranteed assistance to the Russians in a war against Germany and without this guarantee Russia wouldn't have become involved in the Austro-Serbian conflict.

The German ambassador in Paris demanded to occupy the fortresses Verdun and Toul for the time of the war as a pawn for French neutrality but this was already after the French guarantee to Russia and thus had nothing to do with the French involvement.

Not him, but because of the African crises that had occurred a few years prior (Morocco/Tangiers). Mostly due to Wilhelm's incompetence and bluster.

The crazy part is, as recently as like 1905, the French hated the Brits even more than the Germans. Wilhelm II undid centuries of hatred across the English Channel in like a decade.