Is suicide the only logical response to existence?

why not drop those shitty axioms and have

1) It's in my interests to die

they're axioms dingo

So why not draw a girl and call it a girl?

Kill yourself is an axiom.

no it's not

that's a command not a statement

You forgot one for your logic to be sound.
(4) Pleasure is the only reason to be alive.

It's "A self-evident or universally recognized truth" that you should kill yourself.

But having 4 axioms is so yucky

who is "you"

If the work of Dr Ian Stevenson and Prof. Jim Tucker is anything to go by you'll just end up back here again anyway.

That being said your "character stats" might be better in the reroll. Let's be honest, they probably won't be so enjoy the life you have right now :)

Life is like Belgium, you just have to march through it

See

But why be logical?

Suicide only saves yourself from the misery of existence. Preventing new life from being forced into existence is the key to ending the existential horror that is life.

As people won't adopt antinatalist ideas anytime soon, we must look into methods of omnicide. We can erase all future suffering if we can destroy all life.

This, the breeder scum must be destroyed.

Read some Schopenhauer or Kierkegaard frienderino

Those aren't good axioms.
>inb4 hurr durr u dnt nede a resn 4 axioms thts y we cal thm axioms
An axiom that is false or unprovable is a shitty axiom. If we assume "obama and the queen are reptiles in disguise who hate humanity" then the logical conclusion would be to violently overthrow the US and UK governments and/or assassinate the leaders. But that axiom makes no sense, so our conclusion, while logically valid, is nonsensical.

You can have an axiom that is unprovable, but it should be useful as well. Your axioms, just like my reptile person axiom, aren't useful. They're self-pitying.

>You have not consented to be brought forth into existence.
Fair enough, but who cares? Without an axiom that also states something about informed consent and its moral implications, that's a meaningless axiom, and we can assume nothing from it.
>For the vast majority of people, there is more pain than pleasure experienced.
You have no reason to assume that, and the majority of people would disagree with you. Prove it, or at least make a logical argument backing it up, or gtfo.
>Consciousness was a mistake.
That's not an axiom, that's a conclusion. That doesn't even make sense.

Your axioms make no sense, therefore no logical conclusion can be drawn. Even if they were valid, there isn't a logical reason to assume suicide is the only answer.

Learn formal logic, come up with some decent axioms, and get back to me, faggot.

Who are you to tell anybody their life is suffering?
I quite enjoy mine desu.

one of them isn't (You) ;)

isnt this the cult from dead space?

I'm not the type of guy who shits on dead suicides by calling them selfish, because I don't like disrespecting the dead.

That said, for me personally, I feel suicide would be a bitch move. We all have our struggles, and I am twisted, like a balloon animal: every psych I've gone to calls me bipolar (one of them even used the word 'textbook' which I thought was just a meme but I guess it's a real thing?), I abuse all sorts of drugs, I uave... Humiliating fetishes, I have several tics and vacillate between insufferably talkative and paranoid and quiet.

And yet, I'm loving every laugh. I'm riding the roller coaster. I have gone through intense, years-long periods of hyper-effective study and physical exertion. It's wild. Once I got through the mourning phase, I accepted my insanity and decided to have as much fun as possible. Suicide is still on the table, but I've got a lot of other crazy to keep me occupied before that.

I know the first one is someone else, it's just that he, the OP, should also apply kill to self.

Good for you.

Personally, I have some undiagnosed mental problems that prevent me from being happy for any long period of time, but suicide, while being expedient for me, would only fuck up the lives of my family and friends. My own life isn't worth destroying their happiness, therefore I'm not gonna do it.

I think the only people who really go through with suicide are so deluded that they think no one cares, so completely unfortunate that no one actually cares, or just such dicks that they don't care about anyone but themselves.

All human society is based around reducing suffering or trying to physically/spiritually deny death. People are done no favours by being forced into existence.

>All human society is based around reducing suffering or trying to physically/spiritually deny death. People are done no favours by being forced into existence.

All human society is based around increasing pleasure or trying to physically/spiritually live forever. People are given the greatest gift possible by being forced into existence.

Massive assumption and oversimplification. Nonsense.

Give a better argument.

>People are given the greatest gift possible by being forced into existence.
If it's such a great gift, why was I forced to accept it.

>Here user, take this steaming pile of shit - you have NO CHOICE in that matter, but I'll say it's a gift anyway teheheh ~~~

You're an ungrateful piece of shit. Most people enjoy their lives. You have the opportunity to enjoy yours. Do it instead of complaining on Veeky Forums.

You weren't forced to accept it.

You seem to be running under the assumption you existed before you started existing.

This.

You're missing the point. It's a negation of the original statement, showing how nonsensical and subjective it is.

>Humiliating fetishes
Tell me more mang.

It's actually not that bad, just an extreme version of sadomasochism.

Like, really extreme. I am aan of extremes. No normal love life for me. I've had vanilla sex and I just ended up fantasizing the whole damn time.

Might as well just masturbate, so I do.

Are we talking like being forced into baby clothes and slapped when you shit yourself or some shit like that?

I'm ungrateful for not accepting a "gift"? Hardly altruistic if you're forcing me to accept it or otherwise be labelled as ungrateful.

The fact is I had no choice in the matter, we were shat into existence due to the choices of other beings, our parents.

Since we had no choice, how can we consent to existence?

Yeah, and then there's the types who do it because they think everyone will care, so they'll kill themselves out of spite, then they'll be sorry.

I've been there too, I'm ashamed to say. I feel bad for the guys who wentdown that road. Narcissism is a hell of a drug.

No, just violence.

Nothing I'd act out in real life, because I'm not THAT crazy. Just extreme sadism. Whipping, torture, electrocution, bone breaking. Like I said, I'm a sick sick man.

Life isn't about pain and pleasure. It's about meaning.

Your life could only be meaningless as a result of pain if that pain was very severe and meaningless.

You might be into reading yukkuri abuse comics, heard of it? Basically 2hu's parodied as weird food snacks, who then end up killed or tortured.

We can't because we don't exist.

And so what?

"You" did not exist until you were born. This seems obvious, but somehow people don't get it. You don't exist until you exist.

Consent has no meaning here, because there is no one to consent. "You" can't consent to exist, because you don't exist.

Here's the basic problem with your complaints about your parents. Your parents, when they had a child, wanted to have a happy, healthy adult, and provide for it the best life possible. Even if you were an accident, that's the natural parental urge. Your parents acknowledged that existence could be shitty and tried to give you a cushion so that it wouldn't be.

Now, if you have parents that genuinely are psychopathic fucks who hate you or just don't care about you, you have every right to be an hero, because your life sucks ass and very likely no one will care if you off yourself. But I doubt that, because very very few parents are like that.

Your whole argument with consent is logically and philosophically flawed, and your teenage angst towards your parents is in 99.99% of cases unjustified.

Thanks for the tip. I've mostly kept to extreme prison abuse but I guess I should branch out because there are very few good artists in that niche.

What a time to be alive.

I feel very lucky to be into vanilla shit like doggy style and lesbians, desu. Having fetishes sounds difficult to deal with.

yukkuri.shii.org/pools/440
Above is pretty much considered the masterpiece of the genre.
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/112
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/124
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/125
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/157
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/270
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/275
yukkuri.shii.org/pools/424
Generally I recommend going through them one by one by changing the pool number in the url, which might take you awhile, as there's over a thousand of them, and that's just the stories. Tons of good stand-alone images. You usually have to skip a page or three to get to the translated versions, moontalk is posted first so ends up first in the pools.

Not him but they can be.

I used to be into specific shit.

The problem is you know longer get turned on by regular shit because you're brain gets re-wired to get excited by the fetish; the same way drug addicts eventually only get pleasure from the drug, you eventually only get sexual excitement from the fetish.

Fucking dopamine man.

no*

It is a blessing and a curse. Because having these 'buttons' you can push means you can go to extremes of pornographic excess, and once you get over the hump of not ever having a family, you've a got a great excuse to delve into a real crazy hedonism/workaholism complex.

Dick only makes it better desu

That's how /b/ gets turned into pedophiles over time. So many loli threads, mixed with copious fapping, turns into a brainwashing center for furfags and lolifags. I'm careful with what I fap to. Not gonna turn me gay anytime soon, faggots.

And plural?

Yep.

I started with regular shit, came across femdom shit, came across shemale shit, then came across sissification shit.

But now I'm back to fapping over Asians and POV blowjobs. Feels good to have normie tastes again.

I think what separates me from a lot of fetishists is, I was never into vanilla shit. Even as a prepubescent child I knew: women being hurt=tingly good feeling.

I never had a chance.

Well tbhh when I used to play with toys, I'd get boners when I forced a toy to join the enemy team through brainwashing

youtube.com/watch?v=3tBqdKGiqnI
What does this make you feel?

Ayyy lmao

Made me kek m8

Yes. Now kill yourself

This book poses that question, more or less, as its starting point.

Yes, to be honest.

But that just goes to show you that logic isn't what the living should care about.

(You)

Sure, for the sake of argument. If you're sick of thinking that way, then be less logical.

>Is suicide the only logical response to existence?
Why would it be?

You don't exist 'forever' but you do 'exist' for almost one of the smallest amounts of time possible.

You will be non existent soon enough, how is it logical to end what you have sooner than it is intended? You are acting outside of what is intended for you, it's not logical at all.

Human beings are illogical by nature though. The only logic we know is that of the universe.

No, not when there's catgirl (male) doujins to be expected in the future.

def suicide is great dude give it a shot man

I am in constant pain. I cannot work because of it, I cannot indulge my hobbies because of it, I can barely sleep because of it. I've tried for years to get it fixed, and nothing has worked. Physiotherapy, surgery, painkillers (I'm immune to opioids, well that's just great), nothing works.

Tell me my life is good. Tell me I have something to look forward to. I dare you.

Better luck next time eh?

Fuck you.

Fuck everyone who stopped suicide booths becoming a reality. Fuck everyone who shits on people who do manage to leave.

Fuck all you do-gooders who think you know shit. Fuck your "it gets better" bullshit. Fuck you mom and dad for creating me and then abandoning me when you got bored of me.

Then end it? I don't understand. If your life was that bad, you would tell your parents goodbye and hang yourself.

I think you're lying anonymously because you can. If not outright, you're exaggerating a lot.

I just don't understand how you're able to post on here and complain if your life is so bad as to be unfixable.
>I'm in constant pain, I cant sleep I cant work I cant do anything but I can go on Veeky Forums and complain about my life

Legit just off yourself already if its that bad lmao. Either you're lying or you're a coward who clings to life, in which case, you clearly want to keep living enough so that you shouldn't be complaining.

You can always leave faggot, noone is stopping you.

Thats not embaressing. My crosdressing fetish is embaressing.

No. Non-existence is the default state for any conscious being alive right now, in the sense that for as long as we are conscious, there is an almost immeasurably greater amount of time where we are not conscious and do not exist. It would be unwise to cut your short, short time here even shorter because you're confused about questions of why and what.