Who were the ancestors of the ancient greeks?

Who were the ancestors of the ancient greeks?

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Plato said the Greeks plagiarized their gods from the Egyptians, so it's safe to assume the first Greeks were also black

The native people (Minoan or people related to them in the mainland) who mixed with the invading Indoeuropeans.

Minoans were from Anatolia originally you memer.

Indo-Europeans by the similarity of culture and beliefs. Dyeus = Zeus.

And the Romans plagiarized their gods from the Greeks do there black too.

>Minoans were from Anatolia originally you memer.

So were the neolithic inhabitants of Greece for the most part, you ignorant cunt.

The so called European farmer aka a mixture of Paleo Europeans and Middle Eastern people.

He probably meant Eteocretans.
Also other pre-Indo-European inhabitants of the area, such as Pelasgians and potentially Cycladeans.

>taking the bait

>Minoans were from Anatolia originally you memer.

So were the neolithic inhabitants of Greece (and most of Europe) for the most part, you ignorant cunt.

The so called European farmers aka a mixture of Paleo Europeans from the Balkans and Middle Eastern people who originated in Anatolia.

So the Greeks were black after all?

No, Minoans who were similar to neolithic Greeks genetically were white.

According to a Belarussian guy I talked to once, Ancient Greeks came from Belarus. Anyone know about that theory?

And modern day scandinavians are the descendants of the romans. So this means...

This just keeps going deeper and deeper…

No, they came from Peru

t. Peruvian

so you be sayin'?

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Minoans of Crete, first western civilisation.

At least 3 separate groups of people made up the local population of modern day Greece.

Cycladic peoples from the islands, Minoans from Crete, and a group, we haven't got an identifier for, so we'll call them 'Pre-Greek'.

The Minoans have been shown to be genetically most similar to Europeans, rather than to Egyptians or Semites. They were the most advanced of these three groups by far. They had a vast trade network that included the cyclades, Greece, Egypt, & Cyprus at the very least. Likely also Canaan and Anatolia.

They were a seemingly peaceful group that appears to have practised an egalitarian lifestyle/society. They were very skilled craftsmen and their work is evident in Egypt and in Mycenaean sites and pottery.

Cycladic people appear to have lived a few dozen to a couple hundred per island, depending on size and resources, and they seem to have jumped around. There is no indication of class or social stratification judging by burials or housing remains.

The Minoans probably exerted at least limited dominion over the Cycladic peoples closest to them, if Thera is any indication (it became a major Minoan colony).

The pre-greek people we know significantly less about then the Minoans.. but I guess more about pottery and housing styles/development than the Cycladics. They farmed, they congregated in valleys, every few centuries they suffered a depopulating/dispersing event.

They used stone and wood to construct homes of as many as 2 storeys.

We don't have any idea what any of these groups spoke, worshipped, their historical or cultural relations if any.

The 'Greeks' (Greek-speakers) were Late Indo-Europeans, I think there is a culture group that was discovered in Romania or Bulgaria that has been linked to their migration since it features similar burials & funerary masks.

The Greek-speakers appear to have settled in Epirus and Macedonia and moved south in two waves (initial incursion that resulted in Mycenaean civilization, and the second 'Doric invasion' that probably wasn't) causing disruption of the pre-Greeks before seemingly co-existing with them.

From there, the Greek-speakers established themselves as the ruling class, consolidated mainland Greece and most of the islands, eventually conquered Crete after the Thera eruption decimated it.

Mycenaean & Classical Greek culture is thus an amalgamation of aspects of all these cultures as well as influences from Egypt, the Near East, and Asia Minor.

Different regions of Greece had different festivals, certain special epitaphs for different Gods, different rituals of sacrifice, etc, as a result of each locality maintaining some of it's original practices and beliefs.

More Ancient Areeks.

Depends on the region.
For example, Minoan Greek, doesn't have a relative, language-wise en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_language
It also depends on how far back you're talking about.
What happened for the most part, though, is that neolithic people got cucked by Indo-European speaking populations.

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>For example, Minoan Greek, doesn't have a relative, language-wise

What does this even try to imply?

it's a language isolate
It could be so, that the area was populated for more years than recorded civilization, so that they had time to develop their own language.

How autistic do you have to be to think that somebody asking about 'the ancestors of the Ancient Greeks' wants to know the ancestors of the Minoans?

The Minoans are the ancestors, in part, of the ancient Greeks, and their continuity of settlement and culture goes back at least a thousand years before Greeks entered the picture.

Discussing Minoan origins has literally no place in this thread and you answered absolutely nothing...

>more white*
ftfy

blacks

it was a fucking example

>It could be so, that the area was populated for more years than recorded civilization

It's not that it could be, it's like that, Crete was inhabited since thousands of years before the Minoan civilization developed

>How autistic do you have to be to think that somebody asking about 'the ancestors of the Ancient Greeks' wants to know the ancestors of the Minoans?

Not him, you fucking retard, but the Minoans weren't different to Mainland Greeks during the neolithic, also Cretans are Greeks too, and Cretans descend mostly from Minoans obviously.

>and their continuity of settlement and culture goes back at least a thousand years before Greeks entered the picture.

>The Minoans are the ancestors, in part, of the ancient Greeks

The fuck are you even saying?

At least be coherent in your ignorant rambling, the fuck do you mean by Greeks?
Modern Greeks?

If we're talking about modern Greeks of course they descend from Minoans or people related to them to a rather high degree.

Greeks refers to people who spoke Greek.

How is that hard to understand for people? Since when did we start calling anybody else Greeks? In this case context is given by the OP, 'ancient Greeks', not that it matters.

Maybe faggot here is actually retarded and refers to Minoans as ancient Greeks.

When Person A asks 'Who were the ancestors of the Greeks', you don't say 'Who knows the Minoans spoke an isolate and its extinct now'. You say, 'the minoans were one such group'. The ancestors of the Minoans or their language is irrelevant to the discussion because Minoan history stretches so far and we have no written records and only sparse Early Bronze and Neolithic archaeological evidence.

>It's pointless to talk about insular Celtics when discussing the English ancestors

>Who were the ancestors of the ancient Greek

Not

>Who were the ancestors of the ancient Minoans

Minoans were a pitiful fraction of the overall Mycenaean civilization and their descendants an even smaller portion of the overall post Dark Age ancient Greek population.

So what the fuck use is saying 'We have no idea who the ancestors of the Minoans were'? Go make a minoan thread.

The Minoans were cool

> we have no written records

Yes we have actually

Native Early Europeans + Indo-European conquerers

Just like all europe really

>inoans were a pitiful fraction of the overall Mycenaean civilization

Please don't talk when you have no clue of what you're talking about, the Minoans had control over the Aegean sea, they colonzied Western Anatolia and parts of mainland Greece

Alright you piece of shit then.
You asked about ancient Greeks.
Minoans were an example, as to what people living in what nowadays is considered Greece, were.
They were fucking Anatolians, most likely, but they were language isolate, and therefore unsure.
It could be so that they were separate in general, from any other population.
Minoans were a fucking EXAMPLE, because I had found source before, and it wouldn't take me as long to find it again.
Neolithic Greece, was populated by non Indo-Europeans.
Indo-European, Greek speaking population came about 2000 BC, mixed with the fuckers that lived there before, and that's what ancient Greeks come from.
You fucking autist, learn to read

>they colonzied Western Anatolia

No they didn't. A few pottery shards that are 'sort of similar' to Linear A do not mean they colonized it.

It's barely even established they visited it, given the lack of pottery evidence or craftsman items which are otherwise abundant in Egypt and Greece and Thera and other islands.

>parts of mainland Greece
They had what, a single settlement on Aegina? An island next to the mainland?

Sure thing, buddy.

I am sure that after their largest population center outside of Crete was buried under like 20 feet of ash, that did not affect them any.

Or when their coastal settlements on Crete were BTFO and devastated by the same event.

Minoans did not have a significant presence outside of Crete/Thera/Aegina.

Where is your evidence that they did? Building remains? Pottery? Historical accounts from Egyptians? From Hittites? Anything?

>They were fucking Anatolians, most likely

How do people so stupid post on a history board with authority? First of all, the idiot who posted the Minoan Language link (was it you?) didn't even say the Minoans were ancestors of the ancient Greeks - just that Minoans were special snowflakes that we can't trace to anything else.

Second of all, Minoan DNA is European

>Analysis of DNA from ancient remains on the Greek island of Crete suggests the Minoans were indigenous Europeans, shedding new light on a debate over the provenance of this ancient culture.

bbc.com/news/science-environment-22527821

'Anatolian' is your bullshit hold-all for a migration that happened 4000-6000 years before the formation of the Minoan archaeological record, without consideration for further mutations or divergent migrations after entering Europe.

It'd have been impossible for Anatolians to reach Crete.

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>Neolithic Greece, was populated by non Indo-Europeans.

Yes. And those, and the Minoans, are the ancestors to the Greeks.

The ancestors of the Minoans are irrelevant given their fucking age (literally pre egyptian) and the fact that, except for a hypothesised migration to Crete from Europe, we have information about them.

>Indo-European, Greek speaking population came about 2000 BC, mixed with the fuckers that lived there before, and that's what ancient Greeks come from.

Finally for something 100% correct. I am legitimately impressed.

>No they didn't. A few pottery shards that are 'sort of similar' to Linear A do not mean they colonized it.

Yes it does according to archaeology, they probably colonized Miletus and Rhodes

>It'd have been impossible for Anatolians to reach Crete.


What? Are you retarded?

This is a new level of stupidity.

>Yes it does according to archaeology, they probably colonized Miletus and Rhodes

Said nobody ever.
I asked you for evidence, of any kind. Colonization requires a lot of proof.

It is confirmed by archaeology that Rhodes was settled by Minoans.

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we wuz!

What a retard, anyway that study that you post is outdated, since then we have discovered that Neolithic Europeans mostly descend from those Anatolian migrants, that's why Minoans cluster close to them in genetic studies.

nature.com/nature/journal/v522/n7555/full/nature14317.html

> Minoans
> appears to have practised an egalitarian lifestyle/society

Who lived in the giant fucking palaces then? Never heard of the Minoans as egalitarian.

>in Europe for 4000-6000 years
>fuckin' ANATOLIANS M8 FUCKIN PURE


We may as well call Indo-Europeans Siberian.

Might as well call everybody African and call it a day then, actually.

When are you satisfied in ceasing to call them Anatolian? Apparently not by 3000 BC, since 'Minoans wuz Anatolian n sheeit'

Should we just call all of southern Europe Anatolian? At what point in history do we stop calling them that?

This is probably because you're deaf and never bothered to read on the subject until you clicked on this thread.

Still waiting on that 'archaeological' evidence that they settled Rhodes or Miletus, faggot.

WE
WUZ
PHOENICIANS
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holy shit there are people who actually believe this