there is this non-stop trashing on North Germanics that i am beginning to think that folks are thinking is actual truth and not just bait.
its full of gross misrepresentations from shit like them never having an empire (North Sea Empire and Cnut the Great), to no writing (Younger Futhark), to never winning a battle (Great Heathen Army and Danelaw in general), and generally viewing them as savages.
Is there any one here who actually believes this?
Vikings bibliography:
oxfordbibliographies.com
Viking art bibliography:
oxfordbibliographies.com
Christcucks not being able to handle that there's no such thing as a 'pure' religion/ideology/philosophy
People are just tired of viking being plastered everywhere as these epic god warriors that love spit screaming through thick le manly man beards
Vikings are worse than samurai and ninjas at this point
even that doesn't hold because much of the Norsemen were Christian. Cnut the great was a Christian.
This is the same as hating Romans because they were pagans at one time.
Why are those outfits so poorly fitting? Looks like children in the thumbnail.
honestly, where though?
every damn ancient culture worth anything has been fantasy-worldicised, and if anyone says anything about Skyrim id like to remind them that the Imperials are done the same with the Romans and no one has ever freaked out about that.
That doesn't matter to the average DOOS VULT /pol/ack crusader.
You're either with the Mountain Dew Climb towards the Eternal White Christian traditionalist Utopia or you're against it and a jew
Didn't you make a fucking thread about Vikings already
Those memes come from /pol/ ask them
i did not, if you're referring to the Icelander asking about historical information on the Norse.
This is you isn't it?
Did you really have to make a fucking thread for this
It's probably just one autistic guy.
Cause you create this kind of threads.
yeh, i made that one post and then decided to make a thread about it so i could get wider answers.
did the samurai or ninjas establish the major powers today?
The samurai kind of did rather recently with Imperial Japan.
No idea what major empires the Vikings created.
>why does this type of bait exist
To bait those people
There's your answer
Oh please, those powers that the vikings established wouldnt become relevant for 1000+ years, and it had little to do with vikings.
>every damn ancient culture worth anything has been fantasy-worldicised
Not the the extent the vikings have, especially when you consider that the vikings were not really important tobthe world in their time
>/pol/ boogeyman
I wonder (((whose))) behind this post...?
Can you give a better explanation than appealing to a boogeyman or something that has a loose connection and requires many many mental gymnastics.
Normal people
>(((whose)))
Work on your bait next time
Angry leftist faggots mad about stormfaggotry on the one hand, and tiresome christards upset about neopagans existing on the other.
You really can't expect an unbiased discussion about polytheist anything on a board that has an angry christard coalition squatting on it, but combine that with a bunch of leftist morons eager to bash anything that can be even remotely to their ideological opposites (who are also morons, btw) and you have the situation on this board.
TL;DR if you want to discuss vikings and norse stuff in general, go elsewhere. This also really applies for anything related to Germany as well.
That's not even the /pol/ boogeyman, you clown.
m8 what he was replying to was a literal /pol/ strawman.
These fags get trolled because they want to turn the board into some kind of neo-pagan varg vikerns wankfest
>This is the same as hating Romans because they were pagans at one time.
We do have the Greeks/Romans were 100% ultra gay meme on Veeky Forums.
He was talking about the average DOOOS VOLT crusaderfaggot, which by far don't constitute the average /pol/ak.
It's not a strawman if it's 90% true
>want to turn the board into some kind of neo-pagan varg vikerns wankfest
this is the reigning problem with Veeky Forums. retards like you think thisis a board of ideological battlegrounds like /pol/ when its literally just discussion.
alternative religions and cultures are part of the discussion here, its not hailed as better than your precious ideas.
Same with the Celts. I've been reading the Irish epic The Tain and I know it's a story full of exaggeration what with the hero's great feats and the like and while there was plenty of brutality and violence, there was talk of laws, codes of conduct (there was a local code of the province of Ulster that prohibited the driving of a chariot that was unfit for use), amicability, honour, and washing and bathing. All this from simple savages who wallowed in the mud?
Not really. Hellenics in general get ignored or treated as utterly unremarkable.
The spartans are the sole exception, and they were mediocre.
Because they've overly inflated raiders and sub-par conquerors who're only lauded because they're presented as massive, bulging Scandinavian killers even though at that time, their average height was 5'7-5'8''.
If you're referring of Russia, just keep in that she was founded by a literal Finn and that she only started becoming relevant after she and her ruling dynasty were subjected to slavicization and Christianization during the reign of Sviatoslav I and Vladimir the Great.
The Vikings have lost most of the battles in which they've participated and for some deluded reason, they're being lauded as the representatives of the Pan-European movements even though they've actively traded with the Khazar State and the Muslim Caliphates.Also, they've been deemed as great warriors without any proper validation while the Wends, the people who've made it a habit of raiding actual cities in the Holy Roman Empire and the homelands of the Vikings( Scania and Southern Denmark were kept in a depopulated state for nearly a century because of their raids) are basically forgotten by Historians and history fans alike, even though an entire crusade had to launched against them to stop them.
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Why
Because it's the unofficial LARPer board.
Nobody is LARPing. And that's the political board.
Not sure if anyone knows this but how does a viking ship with a 7:1 lengt to beam ratio hold up in typical North Sea/Atlantic sailing?
I've seen that new replica Drakar with a 4.4:1 length to bream ratio sail in some heavy weather and it looked pretty precarious.
>North Sea Empire and Cnut the Great
Not an actual empire. Just a short lived personal union between Denmark, Norway and England
>/pol/
>the political board
Good one.
I actually like and admire Viking/Norse/Germanic history and culture quite a bit but it's nevertheless my duty to troll /pol/fags whenever possible. Unfortunately there will inevitably be innocent collateral damage :(
>fantasy worldicised
its just the chinese, romans/greeks and vikings
Indians, to a lesser extent persians and celts get left on the wayside.
>never having an empire
The Norse realms of the Viking period were immensely decentralised. They only managed to consolidate in the 11th century, which coincides with the end of what many people consider to be the Viking age. Any sort of Empire was merely a personal union of one particular king who managed to subjugate all Norse realms around him. They usually didn't last longer than a generation.
You can call them whatever you want, but they don't conform to the common perceptions that people have of Empires.
>no writing
I don't know who came up with this. Scandinavians of the Viking age had their rule alphabet, but apart from rune stones they never really produced any sort of literature with it. It's like having this amazing fleshed-out tool and never using it, except for claiming things as your own and commemorating the dead.
>never winning a battle
Of course they won battles, but most people simply get fed up with the general public that sees them as huge badasses. The thing that made the Viking raiders so feared was that they could arrive anywhere, at any time and fuck shit up. But individually, their warriors were nothing special.
While your notion is in most cases true, the North Sea Empire was a genuine empire, with Denmark, England, and Norway all under the singular authority of Cnut.
That short lived union was the ownership of a multitude of ethnicities under the power of one king.
It's an empire, for all intensive purposes.
It wasn't a single country. Personal unions don't count in any other case so why should it here?
Because snowniggers destroyed europe so many times (barbarian invasions, 1st and 2nd world war, current rapefugee crisis and even more), also they claim to be superior and they steal every ancestry in the world (we wuz romanz, greekz, babylonianz, persianz, mayanz and shiieet)
>"When the eleventh century began its fourth decade, Canute was, with the single exception of the Emperor, the most imposing ruler in Latin Christendom. . . . [H]e was lord of four important realms and the overlord of other kingdoms. Though technically Canute was counted among the kings, his position among his fellow-monarchs was truly imperial. Apparently he held in his hands the destinies of two great regions: the British Isles and the Scandinavian peninsulas. His fleet all but controlled two important seas, the North and the Baltic. He had built an Empire.[1]"
>someone said it so it's true
It was Anglos and Slavs that stopped the Alemmanics while the Norse did dick all in WW2.
I think the problem here is that "empire" has far too many secondary meanings. Some people think that an empire requires some level of centralisation, other people think that any realm of sufficient size can be an empire.
Maybe we should simply stop using the word at all, and use the word "realm" instead, which has far fewer secondary meanings attached to it.
>also they claim to be superior and they steal every ancestry in the world (we wuz romanz, greekz, babylonianz, persianz, mayanz and shiieet)
Literally who
Mostly Slavs, the bulk of the German army was stationed on the Eastern Front and 80% of was defeated by the time Operation Bagration was in full swing.
But the Anglos did defeat them in North Africa, with admirable results no less.
Anglo-Saxon lords were swearing fealty to Cnut all over the place. That's perfectly valid for an empire.
And the Prussian rulers were swearing fealty to the Polish king throughout the 16th century, does that make him the Emperor of Europe?
It made the polish emperor their emperor, and the pole the ruler of those Prussians.
>a feudal lord has people that swore fealty to him
>therefore he is an emperor
top wew
Cnut was literally the emperor of those Anglo Saxons my dude
He ruled a multiethnic body. That's an empire.
No he wasn't. He was a king, not an emperor you fucking moron
>An empire is defined as "an aggregate of nations or people ruled over by an emperor or other powerful sovereign or government, usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire or Roman Empire."[1]
>an aggregate of nations or people
Check
>ruled over by an emperor or other powerful sovereign or government
Check
It's learningcode and his chronies
Let me guess you are sorbish or polish? Cause than what you are doing is just We was better raiders n shit.
When you are talking about the "Wends" you are propably refering to the elbslavs of the 9/10th century? Or are you talking about some other group of slavish people?
Name one King! of Poland/the Poles Who reffered to himself as Emperor and/or was given this title by contempory diplomats and monarchs
And the Russian emperors/zars from 1815 onwards don't Count because because they were Zar`s of russia and Kings of poland
The thing about your ironic epin maymays is that retards take them literally and start spamming them unironically.
And frankly, the ones who come up with these aren't so smart either.
Also, many Christian /pol/fags also hate anything remotely pagan and use the same kind of memes so you're basically helping them.