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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

New Demon release adds more Sanctums: demon.ferretdev.org/devblog/

Shared DCSS online account.
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on CXC).
Remember, it's not fun if you didn't splat hard!

FAQ and What to Play
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RumChicken
RumChicken

1st for shilling shiny new game!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
see
A random idea I had, maybe when their MP is drained and their HP reaches a certain threshold (say 20-25% of their max, could be lower) their host body is destroyed. When this happens they lose their spirit shield and rot resistance, and start suffering rotting and stat loss at a rapid rate. The become an amorphous blob of vines/tentacles/whatever and can no longer maintain a solid form, leading to all of their armor and weapons melding into their body like a transfiguration spell. In this form they get some new mutations to compensate (say constriction for instance since it fits with the vine theme, not sure which mutations exactly to give them). The only way to stop/cure the stat loss/rotting and regain your form is to kill a foe and then inhabit it's body as your new host/power source. Since they feed off magic, killing a demon or undead would work for this too (and also not make this race worthless in extended.) This would fit pretty well with the "parasite" flavor (needs a host body to survive) and would add a lot of very tense moments when you bite off more than you can chew. Thoughts?

Bidwell
Bidwell

gammafunk here. deep elves are next. don't say we didn't warn you.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
yeah that sounds like the best blan

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Gammafunk's most-played races are elves I'm pretty sure.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

So when will they remove cBlink?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Once they are finished purging the elves, silly.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

when are you going to remove your dick?

post progress pics pls

Bidwell
Bidwell

dream that scoreboard updated with my 15 conduct game
it feels so real
wake up
check
I still live in the reality with the wrong flip of the coin

You know, that's kinda counterintuitive. You get just as many points as if you ascended. It's a feature added in nethack 3.4.1 NINE years ago. But no apparently the only way to win an atheist conduct is to offer the amulet to your god.

Well you know what then? I don't want to offer the bloody thing. I played as a fucking atheist and I HATE tymora for letting me down so many fucking times while I was starving.
Up yours, Tiny Tim.
*tips blessed greased orchish helm of brilliant and dexterity*

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

he suggested it again later that very thread
What a madman.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Is this a BCadren Quality Idea (tm)? Link to the thread?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Nevermind, found it.

Emberfire
Emberfire

For some reason the devs don't recommend Vinestalkers to go unarmed combat. That change is bad anyway since it'll encourage UC only linear skilling among players since weapon melding.

idontknow
idontknow

Well don't they have -1 Unarmed?
Unarmed is generally not recommended on characters because unarmed is bad without forms or claws.

eGremlin
eGremlin

What's the difference between classic and mundane zombies in cataclysm? There's one response on their forum, and the guy that answered gave a shit answer that could be interpreted a thousand different ways.

Why the fuck is cataclysm so dead set on providing no tangible descriptions of the five dozen mods listed?

So fucking sick of having to try shit out in a fresh world and see if I can spot the differences.

whereismyname
whereismyname

half the thread trying to rename the race
dicku and spiceman ignore them altogether
how will taverncucks EVER recover?

King_Martha
King_Martha

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games

Spamalot
Spamalot

They have +0 Apt on UC

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I'm genuinely sorry, user. And I congratulate you.

happy_sad
happy_sad

You forgot a few other ways of identifying. If you've never played a roguelike before, you may not be familiar with them.

Nethack is a very spoiler thick game. I think part of the design philosophy is to have a ton of different verbs be possible for every item. You can do more than just drink potions.

Bidwell
Bidwell

there are other ways to help figure out what items are, like their prices in shops or sometimes their weight

also if you drop them on an altar it will identify whether they are blessed/uncursed/cursed so you can tell whether they're safe to wear-ID

Skullbone
Skullbone

on yeah also there's other shit like unicorn horns turning potons of sickness into water, potions of polymorph printing a special message if you dip a wand of polymorph into them, lots of weird special-case shit like that which you need a wiki to know

Flameblow
Flameblow

unarmed is bad without forms or claws

you don't know what you're talking about

Firespawn
Firespawn

I want to make the best Roguelike ever made. What should I put in it?

StonedTime
StonedTime

how do I check the weight? item description is just some quotes from literature

Spamalot
Spamalot

it's bad early although it scales well at very high skill

some variants actually tell you the weights of items but i guess vanilla nh doesn't

if you want to get obsessive with it you can fill up your inventory so you're 1 pair of boots away from being burdened and then pick up boots 1 at a time to find the pairs that are lighter than normal

Inmate
Inmate

sil ai and nethack item interaction

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I'm playing UnNetHack on Android and can't find a way to check item weight.

Booteefool
Booteefool

well then just ignore the weight part probably

it isn't that important

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Is Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead still alive? I think I might've went to the wrong site last time, or did development stopped?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Fucking Yaks.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Very alive. Even has isometric views now.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Plus Brogue environment interaction.

JunkTop
JunkTop

The site in the pasta did not update since 2015. Did they move?

5mileys
5mileys

development is still ongoing but they haven't realeased a new STABLE version in years

the links to the experimental versions in the sidebar work though, and will give you more recent updated versions

Lunatick
Lunatick

UC bad without forms or claws
damage is = to 3+skill with a speed rating that starts at 1 attack per turn
at UC 16 you you hit as fast and as hard as a Triple Sword

does anything trump UC 27 Blade hands?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Things with brands and less necessary skill to get mindelay on.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

does anything trump UC 27 Blade hands?

2 handed vampiric weapon

TechHater
TechHater

100% jealousy

likme
likme

You jelly of my S rank /rlg/?

Still unlocking higher difficulties. Normal is so trivially easy it is honestly ridiculous

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I modded the source code and created that item based on plutonium sword.
There's no way you can get weapon like that in real game.

iluvmen
iluvmen

the triple sword's damage at 16 skill is being multiplied by 1 + 1d16/27 though

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

yes, that too

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Tried to warm myself by setting a cupboard on fire

Yes, it's still the same cataclysm I loved, alright. But I don't think it ever warmed me up.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Far as I know, the only thing that updates for CDDA is the repo. The site's dead as fuck.

StonedTime
StonedTime

You can get the latest experimental from dev.narc.ro/cataclysm/jenkins-latest/

Flameblow
Flameblow

u still ain't getting any Amy pussy tho

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

not a roguelike

JunkTop
JunkTop

epin meem

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

roguelike dreams
iktf
sorry for your loss

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

literally need spoilers to tell pussy apart from any of the other innumerable folds of flesh
Amy worst roguelike.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

+Inv
no rElec
-9 int
LOL

MPmaster
MPmaster

get your roguelite out of the premises

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Pound it.

idontknow
idontknow

Iwannapoundthattumtum.jpg

Soft_member
Soft_member

Are all cars in Cataclysm generated with dead batteries or am I just unlucky?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Doing well in Brogue, diving down with a +9 teleportation charm
See an imp on D:18
Brain ceases to function as I don't turn invisible, negate him, haste myself, or just fucking teleport away
Imp naturally steals the one fucking thing I absolutely do not want him to steal, my teleport charm
Die

It's been a long time since I faulted so hard.

Spamalot
Spamalot

start with a cloak of MR for nopoly
can start with ring of SD
is a vampire
I'VE BEEN BANGING MY BALLS WITH A HAMMER THIS WHOLE TIME

iluvmen
iluvmen

lol

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

shilling a game that is literally a downgraded version of owh+

viagrandad
viagrandad

weebier sprites
a downgrade

Pick one.

farquit
farquit

Convicts have superb damage though.

Firespawn
Firespawn

True, but convicts don't have to cough blood and play thousands of games just for the chance of grabbing a ring of slow digestion froma sink and then falling intoa polymorph trap.

WebTool
WebTool

Let's assume I want to get into Nethack.

What variand should I use (and why)? Dynahack? Nethack 4? Nethack 3.6?

No SLASH'EM or SLEX, please.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

GUYS THEY'RE GONNA UPDATE THE SCOREBOARD
APPARENTLY IT WAS A BUG

massdebater
massdebater

Well, Dynahack has the best interface. Nethack 4 plays like nethack 3.4.3 but with dyna's interface. I think dynahack played on a terminal is the best possible way to play nethack because of how good it looks and for the sheer versatility of the thing. Plus it fixes a lot of scummy shit guards don't count and thus makes nethack a lot more fun. Vampires are a really fun race, even if you're not playing convicts.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Dynahack: it has the best UI, lots of quality-of-life changes, and it's also fun.
AWOOOO! Congratulations user!

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Why not? SLEX is really easy these days if you just roll a doppelganger monk.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Oh also dynahack fixes all instadeath bullshit that is the trademark (read: infamous shitstains) of nethack.

Talking about it in The IRC fixed it

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I'd like to thank /rlg/ for this

Also hyper futa mare dicks

I am finally free

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

now go for 15: no soko-cheating this time!

Methshot
Methshot

I'm not touching a roguelike for the next months
I'm completely saturated

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

in order:
NetHack 4
DynaHack
UnNetHack

King_Martha
King_Martha

Thanks user.

I don't like the kitchen sink approach, and it's probably gonna feel overwhelming,

But why though?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Congratulations user, that's really autistic.

This should go in the next OP.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

because nh4 will be pure nethack experience with enhanced ui, dyna looks great and makes some cool changes and UnNetHack because it's great fork with even more changes that aren't bloat

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Thank you user I worked for several months to get this far
I'm gonna update the notable ascension page

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Ok, but with all probability I'm going to get bored before really playing three different variants of the same thing.
That's why I was asking for a single one.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Celestia's dick, I presume?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

a blessed greased hyper futa mare dick named Gioiello del sole
it means "Jewel of the sun".
so yes

Soft_member
Soft_member

Can someone explain this to someone who doesnt play nethack? And gz user!

Methshot
Methshot

Ponyposter got 14 different conducts: the most anyone has ever gotten. This breaks his previous record of 13 different conducts. Presumably he'll break it in the future, with 15 different conducts since he didn't have 15 only due to a hill giant spawn in Sokoban.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

conducts are restrictions you put on yourself that make the game a lot harder.
The maximum theoretical amount of conducts is 12 in regular nethack. Nobody has EVER won a game with 12 conducts.

I won 14 because dynahack also counts if you sacrifice elbereth (a get out of jail free card) and bones files (you can't find ghosts of old adventurers with all their loot)

It's a terribly hard thing to do. Kinda like MuMo, but if the game kept track of you waring armor and using weapons.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

in this case dyna, but if you like tiles then UnNetHack with DawnHack tileset
have fun, I am sure you will!

Snarelure
Snarelure

"Zin said that harmony shall be the law of the land, and...",
"...those who turn to discord will be purified. This was fair...",
"...and just, and not a voice dissented.",

RavySnake
RavySnake

when describing rls, what does non-modality mean?
thanks

idontknow
idontknow

those who turn to discord

kate still hasn't invited anyone else
all greatplayers are just waiting for more people to talk

goddamn kate

Methnerd
Methnerd

My understanding is that it means separation of mechanics from regular play. For example, when you shop in NetHack, you literally walk your character into the shop, pick up and pay for items, whereas in Angband, when you walk into a shop a shopping menu comes up.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
Usk is hilariously fun. Play Ho* and pump that invo. Axe stabbing is GOAT
Yred's haste+might
Chei's always been broken fuck
Use div shield and halo on tso. Spamgel your way through any problems
Constant nerfs aside, high invo corpse delivery with animate skell + simac or delivery + animate first to give you a bufferis pretty strong andit only gets better once they engulf shit and you mash dat MF immo
Summoning is pretty absurdly strong despite the nerfs.
High apt Hu/AM's are incredibly diesel in a fiver

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
He spammed DsWn's and shit while he was new while being unable to learn from it and refusing to play an easier species so he could learn to not be an idiot.

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
But they are though. The high elf was a magic biased moderate race with most importantly, good launcher apts. It was easy to get moderate +apts in virtually every skill you were gonna use, much like a minotaur. It's not magic retarded like halflings, minotaurs, Hill orcs, centaurs or any other launcher race. It's not as frail as a tengu. It's not having to fight uphill for defenses like the large races

That's the problem with the people supporting it. Maybe they just tabtaur and za macro too much but it's like they don't even know that skald/AM styles exist. The game's not gonna explode if you leave a HE in. Let it have its niche.

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
Elliptic streaked like 32, 38 or 42 I forget and it wasn't even like he was charting out the most babbymode combos to do it with.

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games
It does after vaults where you want the slay but it's also pulling shit screens away and you can't instagib anymore. It's even rougher if you aren't using a launcher.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Dynast is the craziest streaker ever. Check his one.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

picking wanderer on a strong race doesn't really make a streak that impressive

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Pretty much. If the part is yellow it's damaged enough to leak charge, gas, or have heavy trouble starting.
Just keep looking for duct tape and you'll eventually find something you only gotta replace simple parts on to use. If you need to raise mechanics without books, craft improvised lockpicks and lockpick locked doors. Crowbar every door to open it. Reassign the key to e or r or something to make it easier. Once you find some tools and you have mechanics 1 you can go look at wrecks. Smash the tiles with broke or damaged shit over a surviving frame until it's all broken off then remove the frame or just keep picking and crowbarring about 600 doors for mechanics 2. Then go nuts. Remember to screw every clock for barter goods and seatbelt for thread and long ropes. You can break car batteries down for plastic to craft shit and if you either berry vinegar farm batteries or you have rechargeable mods you can repair them for more plastic per battery.

Basically, he startscummed until he found and id'd slow digestion then played the game in the most tedious and scummy way in a variant with OP items until he could cheese the rest of the game game without breaking a sweat from grinding out ten gorillion ascension kit items and consumables.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Swordsman
the easiest class

Well, I hope Normal was easy enough for you.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I think we should make a PR that substitutes solar cars with Teslas in DDA

farquit
farquit

Ow.

Ow.

OW.

OK, what in the absolute shit was this filthy Hobgoblin-

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

what version are you on

likme
likme

0.19-a0-1468

Nojokur
Nojokur

naga
strong

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

It might be a trunk thing but it might also just be a coincidence.
let us know if you find any more very enchanted weapons.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I'm not sure if you've noticed that 1.4 movedelay is cancer. It's literally worshipping Chei without the god benefits

happy_sad
happy_sad

There's a slex race called Sokosolver that makes all dungon levels turn into sokoban levels.

I totally want to try that one.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

makes all dungon levels turn into sokoban levels.

farquit
farquit

naga is one of the stronger races
move delay doesn't matter past the early dungeon floors, where you can get killed by rng anyways.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Get a melee only Naga on Lair:6 in your first try. That shouldn't be too hard, after all Nagas are one of the stronger races right?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

there's a learning curve on all challenge races
learning to play naga takes time but once you know how to play them they become pretty easy
just like chei
but ofc you wouldn't know anything about that cause you're a shitter.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Huh, got a Crystal Plate Armour in D:1 while playing a HoFi. Cool.

w8t4u
w8t4u

says the xXx[Pro Player]xXx who blames RNG at all

Emberburn
Emberburn

Fuck you.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Well if it makes you feel any better I just got demolished by Sigmund and a poison needle kobold.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

first time in this autismo genre.
Blaying brogue. Im in lvl 6 first run. Hope i can make it to 10. Very fun shit t/b/h

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

rng garbage like shafting 3 floors on D1 is probably the biggest killer any good player dies to.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

How do you learn Zenura Weave lads?

Methnerd
Methnerd

That doesn't happen often. If that happens in D2, you're ready for it.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I don't need no stinky armor anyway!

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I was PC-less for 30 days. I missed you and ROUGElikes guys

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

by playing a game that's actually good

Firespawn
Firespawn

You also missed a roguelikecon, a roguelike-jam where a bunch of devs released an update at once, and Ponyposter's ascension with 14 conducts, breaking his own record.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Finally got my first normal mode win in OWH+.
Did I fuck up by killing the demon lord though?
I had buddy tablets (Dosey is the bestest girl) and was thinking about using one on the boss because I heard stuff about further bosses and recruiting the demon lord, but I hadn't even unlocked castle renovations yet until just now.

Is there any reason to not kill the demon lord as soon as you're capable of doing so?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Zenura is a hero skill, not a pirate one.

farquit
farquit

Was it an eel that got you

WebTool
WebTool

Is there any reason to not kill the demon lord as soon as you're capable of doing so?

Unless you're trying to get different endings, there's literally no reason not to kill the demon lord. Unless you just want to travel around, I guess.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Did I fuck up by killing the demon lord though?
if it was your first win then probably no.
youcan use buddy tablets on the demon to talk to him and he revels lore related stuff and stuff on how to beat another boss.
Is there any reason to not kill the demon lord as soon as you're capable of doing so?
if your sole purpose is to win, then no.
but there's at least 3 bosses you can beat and lots of class-quests and some companions you only get on hard+ difficulties anyways.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Ah, so THAT'S why people are calling the game shit. I feel inclined to agree now.

Playboyize
Playboyize

I can do it not. Took me 6 tries, a warper start is really weak

Skullbone
Skullbone

You wanted to play as a naked old lady?

Spamalot
Spamalot

so THAT'S why people are calling the game shit.
people are calling the game shit because it literally is a pile of shit with shit storyline (if you can even call it that) attached to it, with clunky gameplay that won't be fixed and which lacks features that even owh+ had. (also you and your companions can get instant-ko's by a trap that can't be detected in any way, unless you want to attack every square you're going to walk into (and even then enemies can trigger them as well, having a chance to kill you and your companions because some traps are 3x3 or 5x5)
the game is a barebones owh+ with features and gameplay mechanics stripped off, but has some classes that aren't differentiated. fanservice "art" and some shitty new items added in their place.

Playboyize
Playboyize

To us, you won, user.

youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI

cum2soon
cum2soon

shit storyline

Has it changed that much from the original?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Nice pasta, son.

Inmate
Inmate

is this the new kind of shitposting
wasn't cogmind enough

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

posting roguelikes is now shitposting

wew lad, this bait is 2gud

Bidwell
Bidwell

see

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

That's nice, but I also actually won, for real.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Guess even in roguelikes, there's justice every now and then.

youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

There is always hope.

TreeEater
TreeEater

FUCK OFF SHILLS!!!!!

RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Not him but i had a run once where ijyb had a +6 or +7 or +8 enchanted club on him i forgot, was pretty fun

farquit
farquit

+8 saturday is like sorcery sunday. One of the most holy traditions.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I forgot to mention, this was on 0.17 or 0.18 trunk back then

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

is this real life

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

45 AC
3 EV

I didn't know gargoyles could come in the naga variety
how do you deal with rukthrowers

FastChef
FastChef

yeah if he spawns with an enchanted club its guaranteed to be from +6 to +8 i think
i've seen him with both a +6 and +8 ones.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

CRAWL SHILLS NEED TO FUCK OFF TOO!!!!!

ree

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Stealth--
Huh? Did they nerf it in versions past 0.15? I remember playing 0.15 some time ago and the starlight cloak had Stealth- only

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

it gets worse.

They actually removed it.

hairygrape
hairygrape

DDA
Very alive

DUDE LMAO

(Seriously though, I want whatever you're smoking if you call DDA "alive". Kevin and Rivet have been cockblocking anything interesting and adding only clutter for a solid year now. Every now and then Coolthulhu adds something remotely interesting, but he's the only one who does so.)

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Kevin and Rivet have been cockblocking Kevin and Rivet are just figureheads, they're not even working on commits anymore.They're not even adding clutter, thank god.
Coolthulu and mugling are taking over their jobs and doing sensible stuff.

It's like britain, the queen's still there but it's just for show.

Playboyize
Playboyize

how do you deal with rukthrowers

tab

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The key to winning a full Agility build in Demon is not relying on Agility in the first place.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Hot Damn user. Well done!

Lunatick
Lunatick

UnNetHack
see closed door
kick them as usual
happened to be doors to a food shop
I moved away and then got zapped to death in one turn by an angry shopkeeper

I didn't expect that and it was pretty fucking bullshit death, but I also like it

I'm gonna have a lot of fun discovering all of this nethacky stuff after mindlessly playing crawl for years

cum2soon
cum2soon

there's always an engraving saying "closed for business" right in front of a closed door like that, user.
How did you not see it? It's there for that exact reason.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

tfw can't replace all the BGM in MCOWH with the OWH/OWH+ OST.

MPmaster
MPmaster

just tab my shit up

Methshot
Methshot

I'm just going to pretend you just said this
youtube.com/watch?v=XREnvJRkif0

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Spells in DCSS really feel lackluster in their strenght and magnitude

massdebater
massdebater

Mystery of the missing dickery.

StonedTime
StonedTime

How so?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I use autoexplore because I'm playing on Android phone.
Thanks for pointing this out!

iluvmen
iluvmen

Trunk or 0.18 webtiles?

Also, why didn't I discover VpGl earlier? It's fucking awesome

Inmate
Inmate

Either trunk or 0.14
...It's not...

viagrandad
viagrandad

webmshare.com/play/jMmDO

happy_sad
happy_sad

I thought you were picking convict intentionally for the difficulty user

Especially since 99℅ of your posts were about the pain of searching for SD

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

can I create custom notes for levels in UnNetHack like you can in crawl? I want to note shops, fountains etc

Nojokur
Nojokur

I thought you were picking convict intentionally for the difficulty user
Yeah, that was the main reason. I saw all the top dogs with 11 conducts were wizards and I did want to try something different, so that not only it would be bigger, but it would also stand out.

The thing is that I also didn't know that vampires can also be wizards.

FastChef
FastChef

Also, why didn't I discover VpGl earlier? It's fucking awesome
???

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Yeah, I go with long blades (since trunk has riposte) and go Kiku and try to get some necro spells online to back me up. It's pretty fun

Bidwell
Bidwell

I'd say it's a bit above average for 3 runes and quite shitty for 15.

DeathDog
DeathDog

What's a great combo for 15 runers in your opinion? Why?

TreeEater
TreeEater

MuMo.
Because MuMo.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Lichform or statueform casters, melee with TSO — those are the easiest.
Vp are in trouble there because they are vulnerable to dispel undead, holy and almost always torment too. Add there blood issues and you have quite a tedious game.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

please respond, I couldn't find the command in ? menu

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

DCSS newbie here, when should i stop training fighting+weapon alone and start training armor and dodging?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

oh yeah sure sorry
I only have dyna knowledge, but ctrl-o to see the layout of the levels and #annotate to call a specific level some way.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

[21:20] <Xenobreeder> ??killdudes[2
[21:20] <Sequell> skills[1/1]: Here is how you train skills. First you train the skills that you use to kill dudes. Once you are killing dudes well enough, then you train the skills you use to not die to dudes. If you later run into problems killing dudes, you switch back to killdudes skills

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Profound advice.

SniperGod
SniperGod

not replacing the moonrunes with giant !'s

Bad form

TechHater
TechHater

I know that, but what is "killing dudes well enough"?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

it works, thank you

Flameblow
Flameblow

Why not just scaled down versions of

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Should i take f or m?
tfw ~3k turns to clear snake

FastChef
FastChef

BECAUSE YOU POUND THE TUM TUM LIKE A DRUM

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Maybe because he's not a pedo

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

personally i train weapon skill with some fighting until wep skill is around 12-16 or mindelay and fighting at 8-10 or so, then train some utility stuff like dodging or armor for a few points of ev ac and change acbk to weapon if i found one needing more skill for mindelay

TreeEater
TreeEater

Depends on your weapon. In some cases I only train defence in earlygame — because the starting package comes with potent killing abilities.
You need to learn this for yourself. When things die fast but tend to damage you — up your defences.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Demon is pretty fun, but it lacks content.
Maybe if it had more branches or gods it would be more replay-fun.

Also, is a good idea to start a Demon wiki?

idontknow
idontknow

No, that sounds like a bad idea. We need the posts and it's not big enough to warrant a wiki.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

yeah and then run into a orc priest or ogre or hydra who bypasses all your shit defenses and you die. because killing enemies fast is the best defense

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I swear being regularly exposed to the tummy meme in arelgee makes me develop another fucking fetish, the softness and the idea of cumming on a cute tummy suddenly sounds really hot
I'm not a GoodPlayer™®© but getting enough weapon skill for mindelay and half as much or equal fighting before switching to defenses usually works for my o-tab characters

Spamalot
Spamalot

True.
The game needs more shilling on other sites.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Spiderform+snek kills fast enough.

Techpill
Techpill

Please guys..

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The game needs more shilling on other sites.
That is not what I said at all
I completely disagree

Bidwell
Bidwell

Someone please port Sil, DynaHack and Demon to Android, please!

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I'd go with exp because benmut could still happen to not synergise well with your character

cum2soon
cum2soon

Problem with demon content is that it's like SMT: you have Fire1, Fire2, Fire3, Bash1, Bash2, Bash3, Stun, AoE Stun etc.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I don't know, maybe if it has more players it would be more fun because of the highscore. Right now it's 'DUDE AYAYAYA LMAO' and a bunch of mediocre faggots that can't ascend.
But it seems there are no other active rl websites with good taste anyway.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

iirc Sil is on android, but it's a few versions old and the UI blows

pic unrelated

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Benemut is FUN but XP is probably the leet skill pick.

hairygrape
hairygrape

that's an unusually puffy vulva

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

alright you're just posting porn right now.
You should stop.

Inmate
Inmate

I want tummy posters to leave.

likme
likme

Goddamn why does my brain always stop functioning at this branch

iluvmen
iluvmen

but it's just one guy shitposting to make a silly joke look bad.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

what a fat fuck

takes2long
takes2long

It has the dcss problem of too much customization, so once you find a build you can play easily you just turn every character into that.

Techpill
Techpill

I think he's succeeding. That joke is pretty bad.

RumChicken
RumChicken

but then that's just a buff build that COULD have full vitality if you wanted to be more optimal

StonedTime
StonedTime

Does it have tarurakusukukaja too

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Coc was just too big and hard for you, user?

iluvmen
iluvmen

one guy
at the very least there are 3 (three) tummyposters and, personally, I have nothing against them or cute, soft, feminine tummies

SniperGod
SniperGod

At least DCSS has 3 different backgrounds to mix: race, class and religion.
Demon only has relic and your team. You can chose your abilities, yeah, but it doesn't matter when half of the abilities are upgrades of the other half (light bolt and light arrow, healing skills, etc).
Also, 2linear. I kinda don't like crawl, but the ammount of branches and the rune shit is pretty awesome. Maybe if Demon had more difficult branches it would be more fun, anomaly is ok, but the sanctums are retarded because they are just 'lol recruit a shitty unique'.

I know it's a fairly new game, but that's just my opinion on the current state of the game ok don't be triggered

RumChicken
RumChicken

Wait, so not even fighters want high figthing?

Supergrass
Supergrass

dcss
too much customization
u wot

Emberburn
Emberburn

that's not mumo anymore, that's like mimo or demo that can cast spells or something

RumChicken
RumChicken

silk panties of magic resistance
rings of please don't hurt me too bad
potion of band-aids

Literally haram.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

You can turn any starting character into anything else because your background has no lasting effects, and unlike say, brogue that they desperately want to be, you never have to work around not having a specific build be an option.

So every character ends up being a tablord or melee dude with charms or whatever your favorite type is.

Booteefool
Booteefool

To be fair, there are some race specific spell/god restrictions.

takes2long
takes2long

Yes, but temporary, weaker, single-target, with a chance not to be applied and with a less ooga booga name.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Hi. An user suggested me to play Cataclysm: Dark Days on /v/. I started playing but I don't have much experience in Roguelikes.

Any tips for a beginner? Also where can I find a backpack? That volume limit keeps crippling my inventory.

askme
askme

I suggest reading the pasta for DDA, it's in the OP and explains things in detail better than I would ever be able to do in <2000 characters.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

sokoban conduct is a joke

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Listen I like sokoban
But the sokoban conduct is unnethack/dynahack only and it's a joke conduct
it's there only to stop people from being annoyed at arbitrary luck modifiers that can potentially kill them

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

So is ponyposter.
No matter how good he is at roguelikes he'll always be that faggot who masturbates to children's cartoons.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The best part about webtiles is that the ghosts are WAY easier than when I play locally. Not that I'm any good at this game overall but at least my early game characters aren't complete shit.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Check out the crafting menu (&). There's some (crappy) storage items you can make even with zero skills. Otherwise your items largely come from town buildings, zombie droppings, or what you can craft with your skills (including a backpack, if you start with or can figure out how to get enough tailoring skill).

Yes but it basically ruins the fun of the early game with the "optimal" shelter crafting start.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

don't be silly

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

That's because DDA is a fundamentally flawed game. Withholding critical information from him just so he can be less good at the game and thus have a false sense of difficulty just because this way he can think that the game is different from what it actually is is not a good idea.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Crawl is super linear too tho, the lack of choice is just disguised and window-dressed with a plethora of tiles. If you want a good chance of winning, you aren't going to avoid Lair and go straight to depths for example. There's a very distinct branch order that every character takes.

tarurakusukukaja
what the fuck is this
yes I googled it so don't get triggered or anything

I agree with that. Yet I feel that it has the most interesting abilities/spells out of all of the roguelikes I've played.

How does higher scores on the scoreboard make the game more fun? That doesn't make any sense at all. Unless you want the game to turn into an e-sport like DCSS.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Seriously, don't be the hypothetical optimal player because that will ruin all your fun and you'll turn into one of those salty faggots that cries about the game being to easy or whatever

girlDog
girlDog

Yet I feel that it has the most interesting abilities/spells out of all of the roguelikes I've played.
Their interaction is much shallower than in ToME and the abilities are also much simpler.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

SpAs with a +Inv robe
This shit is awesome

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I don't know whether you're insulting other players or insulting yourself. It makes sense that people would die with harder combos or self imposed challenge conducts, but if you're dying with strong characters that just means you're bad.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Optimal player?

Well, I'm not min maxing. But I really would want a backpack in a zombie apocalypse.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I've played ToME4 as well and I never had much fun with the abilities in it. You basically don't consider what each ability does at all besides spamming your shields before battle, and then cycling through your damage abilities until your opponent dies. The combat in ToME is pretty boring, and the one million different flavors of resources give the illusion of complexity. Playing on higher difficulties just involves spamming clairvoyance or whatever with a super powerful build so you don't instadie, which isn't fun or interesting at all.

There's way more complexity in Demon, given you have several party members, with four members including the PC summoned at a time, and there's a ton of different builds/playstyles you can set up each member with. The synergy between many abilities and party members can lead to a variety of interesting and sometimes subtle combinations. I'm sorry, but ToME just can't stand up to Demon. Consider that Demon is still in the alpha stage too; it'll blow ToME out of the fucking water in its finished form.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

i want to follow in the footsteps of mohammad and get a 12 year old child wife

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

some of the starting classes get backpacks and shit

you can also raid a grocery store for a shopping cart. put all your shit in it then press G to grab it and drag it around

Methnerd
Methnerd

There's way more complexity in Demon, given you have several party members
Mostly complexity of making sure they do what you want them to. The actual interactions aren't very deep.

Consider that Demon is still in the alpha stage too; it'll blow ToME out of the fucking water in its finished form.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

When was the last time that a roguelike genuinely got better during development? I mean beyond
they fixed some issues and added a minor amount of content

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

rumor

that means that the characters you manage to kill in the early game are much stronger than the characters other players get killed

aka your bad

cum2soon
cum2soon

firefox

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

What's the matter, too much freedom for you?

FastChef
FastChef

Cataclysm got a ton of improvements after it left Whales hands. As much fun as original Cata was, it became way more playable in its C:DDA form.

People always say Nethack variants vastly improved on the original.

Linley's Crawl is a pain in the ass to play compared to DCSS.

And ummm I mean finished games are usually better than their unfinished versions so I dunno

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

on crawl you can choose between a 3-rune win, a 15-rune win and everything in between.
you have retarded special shit like the hell branches, abyss, pan, etc.
you have branches inside other branches, and runes inside those branches so you have a real purpose to visit them instead of just recruiting fucking Python (recruiting is not a real purpose for the existence of branches because you can replace those demons later in the game)

ferret has to add more variables and some optional challenges into the game

StonedTime
StonedTime

How about relic upgrades or essences (stat boosters) at the end of challenge branches or upon killing a dangerous unique. Also the real purpose of visiting anomaly and sanctums is free exp+money

SniperGod
SniperGod

That would be fun.

Also the real purpose of visiting anomaly and sanctums is free exp+money
Yeah, i know. But it feels cheap because they don't have any added difficulty.

Also, i was thinking about how the Pan lords would be pretty awesome to recruit on demon
tfw chthonic cerebov

askme
askme

Congrats son.

What tips would you give to someone who hasn't beaten the game yet?

Methnerd
Methnerd

I just remember that blowguns were supposed to be nerfed to shit in 0.18; did that happen?
thinking about trying for a launcher/evo win.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Defeated the Demon Lord without using the Dimensional Vault

We are proud of you.

Supergrass
Supergrass

They're fine. It was a 0 skill blowgun nerf. If you want a launcher clear in general bows HEHu/AM is solid. Slings HaHu is okay but you really have to find slay, use song of slaying and haster/finesse like a motherfucker.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Fug. A vampire bat got me at 8

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I... I don't understand. Why are there a shitload of dwarfs running about the place?

Techpill
Techpill

you're in the gnomish mines
there are gnomes
there are dwarves

but that line also means that there's a mind flayer around, my ugly ascii friend

which is impossibly out of depth

Emberburn
Emberburn

what game

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Cool, it was made out to be a huge deal back then.

I've grabbed a rune with a HaHu^Oka before, but I only had a +3 greatsling and ran out of ammo at one point (small rocks do next to nothing).

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

their earlygame strength was nerfed

they are stronger than before at 8+ skill but much weaker at lower skill, so you can't get carried to lair by a 0skill blowgun any more

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Boku no convict

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I don't think that I've ever encountered a non-hostile NPC in UnNetHack before in my couple dozen attempts. Is this the Minetown that I keep hearing about?
And yes, I've figured what the message means, pic related.

Dynahack

w8t4u
w8t4u

this the Minetown that I keep hearing about?
No, you're lawful they're lawful.
They won't attack you.
Even if you DO attack them, you get a couple free hits on them and you don't lose any alignment.
So by all means, kill the peaceful monsters of the mines. In Dynahack the gnomes don't carry as many wands as they do in vanilla.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

So by all means, kill the peaceful monsters of the mines.
Alright, why not. It's not like I wouldn't be dying to some random shit that I don't know about on the next floor anyways.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

your tentacles suck and fuck the cockatrice

Playboyize
Playboyize

you don't lose any alignment.
You do unless the variants changed that. Killing dwarves for their gear, getting your alignment negative and trying to pray is a relatively common way to annoy your god early on.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

If you kill them outright you don't lose alignment. I've done it a ton of times in dynahack unnethack and nethack 4.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Are those titties?

likme
likme

wait, why is my nude AC as a valkyrie 6 and with a scale mail 2? Is it because the mail is unidentified? Should I just walk around as a nude valkyrie? that sounds rude.

happy_sad
happy_sad

druj
no summonersummoningsummoners ability
no manastorm
pcb is better

nethack uses old-ass AD&D rules where lower is better

Emberburn
Emberburn

Less is better, user. You're looking towards negative AC

RumChicken
RumChicken

Considering my track record, how likely am i to rip here?

DeathDog
DeathDog

oh. thanks.

WebTool
WebTool

training fighting above 0
as a class other than fighting
you already faulted hard with your skill distribution, there's no salvaging this run

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

the demon-summoning-demons idea sounds pretty cool.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

a class other than fighting
whoops *fighter

askme
askme

That's true. A "real" full Agility run is almost impossible. You're brittle because too many abilities cannot miss, and no abilities besides clobber and eat alive benefit a lot from high Agility.

Content updates will slow down since Ferret has switched from working on Demon full time to part time.

I might record myself playing so other people can git gud.

If it wasn't female, how would you explain the tummy?

Skullbone
Skullbone

I wonder how it would work as it would be something aside from summoners. Should it summon "minions" like the hounds or the peasants, so that you can't link with them ever?

Inmate
Inmate

Content updates will slow down since Ferret has switched from working on Demon full time to part time.
what
is this true

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Not enjoying the exponential HP gain of demigods
lmao'ing at your 60 DE hp

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Ok seriously now, should i ask for armor and pray for some nice piece or do the same for wep and pray for a nice qb? Like seriously, i dont even know what to ask, my jewellery is good, i could use a nice top, the troll armor is ok i guess but still and i have a nice buckler too

Illusionz
Illusionz

Now that my overprotective antivirus has decided that this game won't make my computer explode: anyone know what "combo detonations are? Shockwave looks like explosions, and Singularity can turn into an explosion so I think it means that it's meant to be something like a duel-tech support skill. Anyone else play Rogue Effect here? There's no wiki, and it's not explained ingame, so I'm not certain.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I haven't had so much fun since MuMoing.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Fucking kill me

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

you're gonna kill your poor battery.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Time to switch to chei, little spriggan.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

acquiring armor as spriggan
for what purpose

askme
askme

you know what, keep it.

massdebater
massdebater

Psst
user
hey
download mobaxterm

Methshot
Methshot

Cuz i have an ok weapon and i can brand a lajatang or demon blade or trident or whatever and train that if needed, but i could have really used a nice armor..

Evilember
Evilember

tfw all (100% of (1 (one) out of 1 (one))) current internet browsers are fucking bloatware

Nojokur
Nojokur

Yes.
Actually summoning demons that you could link with would 100% break the game guaranteed.

5mileys
5mileys

Ymmut
Autism.

farquit
farquit

I won't have an access to a PC for another 4 weeks.
And it's pretty easy on the battery.

likme
likme

I bought another one, is it time for memes again?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Anonymous it is always time for memes.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

why would you spend money on that scroll

was there nothing useful in any other shop?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

mobaxterm
Please explain why is better than PuTTY
I've just started playing on public servers via SSH and would really appreciate the advice

Also, how can I make Dynahack look as pretty as that 14-conducts guy's

Booteefool
Booteefool

wave of psychic energy

Prepare your brains, user.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

replying to a post hundreds of thousands of years into the future

Are you trying to make me nervous?

Methshot
Methshot

14 conduct guy uses mobaxterm

Snarelure
Snarelure

old-ass AD&D rules

Better known as THAC0 (to hit enemy AC 0).

Skullbone
Skullbone

Nice meme
Its +2 of reflection

I could buy some pots, but i really dont need those now and all the other shops have nothing really. Also to note
find 12 books in elf:3
none of them are air so i can learn flight
none of them have haste either :^)
Suffering

Emberburn
Emberburn

so what now, nerd?
is there a tut somewhere for this?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

*mentally ill man who masturbates to children's cartoons uses mobaxterm

FastChef
FastChef

flight spell was removed

that's what i said isn't it?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What really? Give me the github code reasoning for flight removal..

Inmate
Inmate

github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e683cc4b791a64578382bcb7ba05d792877ddc7f
Remove the Flight spell.
There remain sources of the effect in potions, rings, randarts, boots,
species, and the Tornado spell. The spell is the weakest link here: it has
very little cost (only the investment to cast a level 3 spell), can be
renewed infinitely unlike more interesting ones, and can be kept up
permanently at little cost but with an annoying interface.
Even without the redundancy, Flight is rarely interesting in combat, and
spells do non-combat effects poorly.

Book of Dreams gets Silence, which seems vaguely thematic. Book of the
Dragon gets Flame Tongue, on |amethyst's suggestion. Book of the Sky gets
Lightning Spire. Book of Air gets nothing; it's already a well-rounded
book, and plenty of starting books have only 5 spells.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

W o w..................... This is fucking retarded i swear to god

happy_sad
happy_sad

You can change the foreground/background colours in the settings.
Then create a new session and see mobaxterm.mobatek.net/documentation.html
It's pretty easy to figure out.

RavySnake
RavySnake

People actually think Flight was a worthwhile spell to keep around?
Now that is fucking retarded.

TechHater
TechHater

spells do non-combat effects poorly.

thing is behaving poorly
Good devs:
lets improve it

Bad devs:
it's fine as-is

DCSShit devs:
lets remove it completely

SniperWish
SniperWish

Aww shit

Flight is awesome, makes shoals and swamp so baby mode its not even funny, especially for a stealthy character like Sp

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

permaflight is nice for shoals and swamp but outside of that need it rarely enough that potions suffice

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

the last S is stew, the first S is shit

happy_sad
happy_sad

makes shoals and swamp so baby mode its not even funny
This sounds like a bad thing.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Tried to challenge N!, but that shit still kicks my ass.
Guess I'm gonna keep beating the UV ones until only N! challenges remain.

likme
likme

I think I can figure it out if you give me a little pointer here.

RumChicken
RumChicken

This victory could've only been possible with the aid of my good friends, the HEAVYMACHINEGUN, ROCK-IT LAWNCHAIR AND SHATGAN.

WebTool
WebTool

Depends on where you're trying to connect.
SSH probably.
I think both ascension.run and em.slashem.me (or whatever) are SSH

Inmate
Inmate

I just want to play Dynahack offline with pretty colours ;_;

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I just want to play Dynahack online with pretty colors via PuTTY :U

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Install linux.
PuTTY
There is , but you can't any more.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Phase shift OP

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

ROCK-IT LAWNCHAIR
OH YEAH!!!
youtube.com/watch?v=8TIn95f1okw

Also, congratulations on the win.

massdebater
massdebater

Soo... Quick PCB question...
What does "Slay *animals*" mean?
Does it slay super animals?
Or does it super slay animals?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Kek.
If actually serious, it "powerfully slays" animals.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Install linux.
I fell for this once, not again.

iluvmen
iluvmen

S-rank animal laying pheromones.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I don't think you can set up Dynahack with colours like that user has without being on a unix OS.
Cygwin might be able to do it, I suppose.

TechHater
TechHater

it super slays animals

it's something like x5 damage, so indead of 1d8+4 you'll hit for 5d8+4 next time you need to kill a rat

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Huh, so there's no *rats* in game...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

nah

but you could always use it to slay a GCWADL

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

This is a genuinely great idea.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Alright, this was pretty fun. Finally being able to just shit on everything that had kept on bugging me before is a very relaxing experience
And i managed to have enough space for all the unrandarts i found, too!

Soft_member
Soft_member

89 MP
wtf, did they remove the stepdowns or something?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Stepdowns are only on natural mana.
He just has a shitload of +9 to mana items.

FastChef
FastChef

I have +28MP from two randarts and the ponderous hat, my base is 61

FastChef
FastChef

yeah the stepdowns no longer apply to +MP items

thank god

viagrandad
viagrandad

So this is the *band experience?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

that one's mostly a joke monster that has pretty much every spell and ability in the game

Inmate
Inmate

9 consecutive firestorms is perfectly fine and balanced

okay bub

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

joke
If it was a joke it'd be harmless.

Skullbone
Skullbone

mana limits were dumb and retarded and gay

King_Martha
King_Martha

Given my mana regen it's almost ten
But a 27 Evo ball of energy is fine too

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I'm up to Tower:14 in Demon now.
Man, dark/ice orb of power really is diesel. I haven't made it nearly this far before, but I do think the several new elements, like the relic upgrades and sanctums, have made the game a bit easier. There's also the reduction in cost for several things like copying abilities. I am enjoying it, anyway. I do fear what will come as a squishy master blaster, though.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

the new cheap copy costs make the game more fun and allow more flexibility in your party, since you can deck out all your demons with abilities (including weaker or temporary abilities that you would never use with old, expensive copy costs) and even have enough cash for fusions
reminds me of the training point days

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

has someone beaten Balrog? I can't, not even with EXP runes..
I should kill myself?

takes2long
takes2long

Why doesn't DCSS have black powder firearms? It makes great sense for an interesting item; powerful single shot weapons that take a long time to reload (usually out of combat) that make a lot of noise.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

what game

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

interface would be terrible. i'd like more weapons with mindelay > 1 though

massdebater
massdebater

Rod of Inaccuracy. It's even a ~six shooter.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

9
Check out my video up there: All of that done without a single channeling.

StonedTime
StonedTime

If you're serious:
flavor reasons
This is a fantasy game. They have fireballs and magic crossbows; what good are guns to them? Also, it doesn't line up with the tech-level.
gameplay reasons
Rods fill that slot already. There's no need for there to be a special type of rods that only do damage, and low damage at that.

Arguably, magic also fills that slot.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Red Rogue, of course!

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Now try it before post-post-post-post-postgame.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Huh, so... I just found out why my 18/165 STR Troll warrior suddenly stopped being able to kill anything...

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

rly maeks u think huh

WebTool
WebTool

0:12

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The amulet and the mutations were there for a pretty long time.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

This looks silly

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I've unlearned the controlled blink spell.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

RIP AND TEAR

DeathDog
DeathDog

Useful for your orbrun.

askme
askme

He can't even fist a gold dragon
MISTER LISTER THE FAKE FISTER FLAGRANTLY AND FASTIDIOUSLY FALSIFIED HIS FEIGNED FEATS OF FINGER FLAPPING AND FOREARM FITNESS. HIS TRUE COLOURS SHOW THAT HE IS COUSIN TO THE CULTURED CURS THAT LIVE IN THE COVEN OF THE CONIFER TREES, ERGO FEEBLE, FOUL AND FLIMSY ELVEN WRISTS.

Inmate
Inmate

it's bad early although it scales well at very high skill

this game need some kind of brass knuckles

cum2soon
cum2soon

Forms work for that.

likme
likme

it has them

they're called "troll claws"

hairygrape
hairygrape

So... new guy who is playing Cataclysm.

I already died two times to a moose. I mean, what did I do wrong? Why do these things charge me out for blood?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Don't go within 20 tiles of a moose.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I am clearly a son of Cheibriados, nobody could've done it slower

Jesus fuck user i still love you

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

You want to stay away from moose, because as you have discovered they will maul you early on. Usually they only get annoyed if you get too close (though at night you might not know until it's too late).

iluvmen
iluvmen

But shouldn't those things be docile?

I was more than ten blocks of distance. It mauled a zombie and then rushed me.

TreeEater
TreeEater

I haven't had internet for 2 weeks and this was my first act.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Take it easy. You don't even have the farming title.

DeathDog
DeathDog

being a slowplayer is suffering. i don't understand how people 3 rune in 3-4 hours, it always takes me 10-15

Bidwell
Bidwell

retard
real moose will fucking destroy you

Emberfire
Emberfire

moose and elk are not deer, irl they are aggressive as fuck

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

It has high morale and it's mostly peaceful.

I dunno, maybe getting hurt by zombies triggered their anger.

Regardless my next run I will now stay at least 20 squares from it.

happy_sad
happy_sad

What were Lava Orc's features again?
Magma Diving, flame clouds, AC based on heat? What else?
Thinking of writing up a patch to make them work without the tension mechanic or the heat meter.

eGremlin
eGremlin

crawl.chaosforge.org/Lava_Orc

Methnerd
Methnerd

Nice, thanks.

Booteefool
Booteefool

tfw no magma dwarf

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

punching things with a pokemon ball
Congratus, you're now an honorary MiBe

Soft_member
Soft_member

moose
Working as intended, they're vicious hell beasts only rivaled by Gooses real or vidya gaem wise

t. Great White North friend

cum2soon
cum2soon

Gooses
Fellow Canadian, please.

Flameblow
Flameblow

My working title is magmen.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

not an obscure mythological reference
No chance of getting in.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

He could be a New Englander. Apparently they get meese in New York/Virginia/Massachusets/etc.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Kek.
I wouldn't expect them to get in any way.
I'll probably just release the build to /rlg/ and play it myself when I want something spicy.

Illusionz
Illusionz

srsly, wat do??

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

FR: rename Orbs of Fire to 人魂

Bidwell
Bidwell

PleasingFungus looks like a hipster; I'd bet that he could call them Abysian, Rhuaxborn, Ifrit or something similarly obscure and get it in.
will be upset if they have less than +4 on their fire magic aptitude

MPmaster
MPmaster

They have +3 but get like 3 enhancers according to the wiki so.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

If cBlink is still in this game then anything is balanced. Make that 99 (ninety-nine) and it's still fine.

Supergrass
Supergrass

be embodiment of fire & earth
learn fire magic not even twice as fast as humans

be mummy
learn necromancy as fast as the average human
or relatively, .4 times faster than anything else

be vampire
learn necromancy .2 times faster than the average human
learn hexes twice as fast as the average human

be spriggan
learn translocations+charms twice as fast as the average human

be felid
learn translocations and hexes twice as fast as the average human

I dislike the flavor being trumped by balance. The gods aren't balanced with each other, the backgrounds aren't balanced with each other, and branches aren't balanced with each other. Why should the races be any different?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Trade Swiftness for something that sounds like Swiftness++ for as long as I don't use charge cooldowns
doesn't work, I can't Benny Hill kite niggers no mo
FEEEEREEEET

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Humans are good at learning stuff, that's kind of their thing.
-1 is a much better base line for comparing apts against since it's closer to the average for most skills (i.e. not stealth and a few others, spellcasting?)

SniperWish
SniperWish

Also "twice as fast as humans, or almost twice as fast as humans" is really fast. +3 and +4 apts are insane.

Lunatick
Lunatick

tfw at the final four floors of the Tower in Demon
I haven't been this excited playing a game since my first ascension in DCSS, and that was a few months ago. I have won like twelve times since then.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

don't fuck up
also you have to kill Antoria or it doesn't count

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Alright. Even so, the point remains. Why do Charms, Hexes, and Translocations get such outliers when the best Fire gets (excluding red draconians) is +1 from DE and HO?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

On that note, I have come across a fifth entrance to a sanctum. I thought only four were supposed to spawn.

also you have to kill Antoria or it doesn't count
Har har. Maybe I can; I have yet to skip any battles, but I got a feeling I will chicken out of one soon.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

That was your point? You seem to imply that you don't want the races and apts to be balanced.

Probably because the spell schools which have powerful offense have generally lower apts across the board than spell schools which are mostly support skills.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Noooooooo...

Spamalot
Spamalot

You fucked up after user told you not to. For what purpose?

askme
askme

I didn't expect things to get that sour. At least I have learned from this mistake. I think I'll try a rather different kind of character now.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I figure that next time I make it that far, I'll go ogrekill with my consumables, if I can. I did have a lot of resources at hand; if I really want to play it safe, I may as well use them as soon as things look even a little bit sour for me. If I used the charm rune much sooner it would have saved my game there.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

those bull fuckers hit hard my nig
never fuck with them

Flameblow
Flameblow

I took my squishy master blaster ass for granted.
They do make for great allies, though.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

To ramble on, I could have revived my maj. dipsas once more. I reached level 25 and got extra capacity 2, so I could have a party of eight demons, just like old times. The dipsas is good in a pinch for when things might be going bad for your pc; in my case, it did save me in some battles like when I ran into Reprobus and Mordecai. Thanks to the modifier of Headless it had very high agility, so it could dodge a lot of attacks in melee range while draining enemy SP. I probably should have given it a passive ability like brain knocker to make it even more dangerous. I did give it juggernaut so it could have a gap closer without wasting its SP, as it is already fast and giving it quicker turns makes it reach the enemy very quickly.

cum2soon
cum2soon

remove Tomb and food

play more and get good

TreeEater
TreeEater

I thought that Incinerator was like a flamethrower or something. Who would have thought it's actually a grenade launcher?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

PRIME? It is a flamethrower you silly

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I have definitely forgotten its radius before. and killed myself. Still a great weapon to have and worth its weight compared to quite a few other things.

It's a grenade launcher in IA, which I assume is what he's talking about.

Emberfire
Emberfire

How do you equip weapon mods?

Nojokur
Nojokur

On a scale of 1-10 Atlas can suck my dick

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

mission
so you can revive right

Soft_member
Soft_member

revive? No.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I wish there were more sci-fi roguelikes.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Are there any lewd RL's that aren't furry shit?

happy_sad
happy_sad

PRIME
C:DDA
CoQ
Rogue Effect
Prospector
DoomRL

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Are there any DDA mods that cut out most of the bloat and shit? I get that the world is all varied and stuff, but I don't need 15 variations on the same AR, and I don't want 100 different ammo's.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Are PRIME and Rogue Effect actually good? I've already beaten the other 4.

5mileys
5mileys

When will Roguelikes fix the diagonal movement problem?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

???

w8t4u
w8t4u

Rogue effect is pretty good, actually.

Skullbone
Skullbone

C:DDA
beaten
But seriously PRIME is like a sci-fi nethack I guess. It's pretty fun, but the tiles are god awful. From the screenshots that user has posted, Rogue Effect looks sexy as fuck and I might give it whirl

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

You want nethack with pretty ascii
You want nethack with pretty colors
That can only happen with a terminal and dynahack
Mobaxterm emulates a terminal on Windows, then you can tinker with it to make it smaller or change the colors.
The only possible drawback is that you gotta play online instead of offline. you gotta write "ssh nethack @ascension.run" without the quotes.

Then, and only them you will be able to witness the true beauty of pretty ascii and pretty colors

DeathDog
DeathDog

There's a generic gun mod I think that dumps all weapons and bullets into a few generic classes. I don't know about cutting down on the other forms of bloat though.

takes2long
takes2long

oh thank god, I would have shot myself upon finding a bunch of different guns with different hipster ammo that doesn't load into anything, but you know...

StonedTime
StonedTime

the races AREN'T balanced with each other

mummy is shit, minotaur is ridiculous, etc

Flameblow
Flameblow

Moving diagonal essentially lets you move two spaces at once. This means it is always more efficient to move diagonals, and monsters who chase the player will always catch them if the player doesn't move diagonally.

Playboyize
Playboyize

What the fuck am I reading

JunkTop
JunkTop

mummy is shit

Dumb. The only reason it looks weak is because you autists keep on playing MuMo even if you can never win it. Try playing properly for once.

Supergrass
Supergrass

this problem is solved by hex grids, which are common in board games and shit

but roguelikes understandably don't use those very often, since it's kinda difficult to represent a hexagonal grid in a console

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

lmao retard

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

but mummys are total garbage until post-end
there's only a few races arguably weaker than them,

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

free rpois is garbage
in a game where you see early game shitters crying "waaahh I don't have an rpois ring how can I do a Lair branch?"

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

maidensnow eve is in the pasta

Methnerd
Methnerd

free rpois
That rpois costs a flat tax of -1 to every apt, no potions, and fire vulnerability.

I can't believe the shit people will say is good to try and sound cool.

Soft_member
Soft_member

xp doesn't matter, as evidenced by the people winning loremaster challenge

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

the only dangerous poison threats are sonja and the confuse spiders and both bypass rPois regularly

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

yet somehow you don't see people getting their first runes sub-lvl-10 and every low level rune-grab is by spriggans
xp doesn't matter in the endgame but it does matter a lot in the early and midgame.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I'm not even getting into this argument

cum2soon
cum2soon

what a surprise.

Evilember
Evilember

That free rpois is the least of their strengths. Have you been on a game where you didn't find a single cmut on V:$ till Depth:5? Mummies cannot be mutated, they cannot be tormented either so they get away scot free in terms of abyss scumming if they don't mind their highscore getting wrecked because of turncount.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Why would you even try to get a rune at level 10? Are you a retart?

Evilember
Evilember

he said xp doesn't matter so by his logic getting your first rune by lvl 10 shouldn't be a problem.
after all, xp doesnt matter, right?

TechHater
TechHater

Mecha-based roguelike when?

King_Martha
King_Martha

The xp we're talking about here is the total xp you get from clearing the standard early game free xp branches (Lair:6, D15, O2) as influenced by apts in which he argues it doesn't matter. Did your 2 int brain manage to process this by now?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

talking about loremaster
hurr we're talking about xp apt
ok

TechHater
TechHater

xp doesn't matter in the endgame but it does matter a lot in the early and midgame.

hmmm.... really makes u think... huh

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You stand near those deep red benches and press E. It's mentioned in the esc menu.
Atlas should be hit with skills, cobra missiles, or sniper rifles. Melee is impossible because they will instakill you if you spend more than 1 turn adjacent to them. Do not try to use shotguns on them, that means you're too close!

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Literally Gearhead.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

You know what we should make?
A /rlg/ hall of fame.
To get in you'd need to have reached at least one of these achievements:
Win MuMo
Win elona in inferno mode
Get 10+ conducts in a *hack
Win PCB in nightmare mode
Win a troll archmage in ADoM
Kill morgoth as HADOOOOOR edain
Fix DDA's code in a significant way
Wield Wyrmbane in DoomRL and win
Kill Petrus in IVAN and become the new archbishop

Once you get in the hall of fame, you will be gifted a pair of bandages. After getting 7 of these conditions, you'll be knighted "Serial ascender" of the grand order of the Aralgeean knights and will be gifted a " I'm kind of a big deal" shirt.Getting all of them (WARNING: LIST IS SUBJECTED TO CHANGE) will get you the honorific of "Curse Bearer" and you will be gifted a two-toned XL Chance (Deep blue and orange).

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I see "item interaction" praised a lot in these threads and I want to know why exactly. What specifically about interactions makes them useful or interesting enough to keep in the game?

Emberburn
Emberburn

LOL
Thats cool, i have a heal wound wand and i need 5 pots more

SniperGod
SniperGod

Win MuMo
Get 10+ conducts in a *hack
Win PCB in nightmare mode
Win a troll archmage in ADoM
" I'm kind of a big deal"
Deep blue and orange
hello ponyposter
what is a XL chance
It's fun and good and cool to make what you need from what you don't. It's also nice when you think of something smart like smashing a status-effect potion that you're immune to on someone's face and it actually works. Finally, it's just nice you look at all your blessed +5 greased gear.

WebTool
WebTool

and here is my extra large horse dildo
I won it by playing autistic alphabet games
wanna see me use it, I got real good at it
hey why are you leaving

Methshot
Methshot

What is this shit

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

what is a XL chance
I'd tell you to google it, but apparently already explained it better than I could ever do.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

nice game

MPmaster
MPmaster

Dass a lood tum maine
Forgot about getting the trapezohedron in IA and a full mastery brogue win.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

cute mmm

Spamalot
Spamalot

Gearhead but it's shit unless you're an autist

Emberfire
Emberfire

Ooh, majestic.

WebTool
WebTool

You gotta get that 26 slings really fast so your ruks do. You'll always have to machinegun them but that lets you save your bullets on anything but higher ac shit which is what you gotta do. Just tough it out of get some fighting to use some lucky randart.

Helped with shoals, swamp, jogrun, and was a nice fuck you to elec weapon users while it happened. Plus being able to take advantage of vaults with water was nice tactically.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It's not like it matters cause once you're setup you're pulling it all apart for components to build high caliber pistol rounds, shot, and high caliber rifle rounds which maybe a pass on 9mm since it's not too bad to leave alone for use with the 9mm smg's for crowd crontrol

Methshot
Methshot

Plus being able to take advantage of vaults with water was nice tactically.
every game i've played i've had more than enough flying pots to abuse water-generating vaults
some of those vaults even generate a flying pot or two outside of them.
also evoke flight seems to be extremely common as well

TreeEater
TreeEater

what game is this

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Basically because they're noncombat and in the case of hexes need that +2/+3/+4 to be any good since fucking every enhancer for it has been removed from the game forcing you to rely or chei for power, dith for double zap, getting spc 27 and maxing int. Like stealth, the further you go the worse mr checks shit on you. But it's not even like you have mass confusion to use anymore with said power. it's hard as piss to fight with summons or allies cause your hexes barring shit like the now removed mass conf aren't smite targeted and you can't toggle portal proj to save mana for reapplications of liquefaction, englaciation, and a couple blinks.

tlocs and charm has a wide gap between dabbling and the good shit. On their shitty races that get plusses there's no way you'd dump the xp without it so they got +'s to make a more strategically interesting race.

Muh inv slots

Spamalot
Spamalot

"a wave of death washes over you"
die

Evilember
Evilember

Well what did you expect

Spamalot
Spamalot

How do i into an Ogre Mage win?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I love slime pits sometimes

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Grab club
Hit hard

happy_sad
happy_sad

What Ogre Mage, the new Ba one?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Also its that time now

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Slime is now 5 floors
what de fug

Inmate
Inmate

beneficial

DeathDog
DeathDog

That list is too biased towards grindstyle RLs and is reflective of your personal preferences, "user"

exit from depth 40 with all lumenstones
kill JC on nightmare!
achieve Evil denied or The Dead God Rests (Madness (Roguelike) difficulty)
defeat the dimensional ruler with all ranks of SSS on inhumane odyssey maniac mode
reach the top of the tower in a single trip starting from a new game in Azure Dreams
write code that gets into an official release of any RL in the pastas

There should also be something included from the Mystery Dungeon games, but I haven't played those games to be able to say what

FastChef
FastChef

Beogh is an asshole.

Playboyize
Playboyize

owh
whatever that third shit is
I couldn't care less about not roguelikes.
madness tome
No, that's just stupid. Difficulty in tome makes monsters bullet sponges and is not fun at all. DoomRL gives some good examples of difficulty levels for example while tome's are terribly thought out, like most triple A games difficulty levels.

5mileys
5mileys

Playing cata
Find Go bag in one of the houses, take it to base to get all that sweet gear inside
In my base i drop it on the ground and press b
"You buthcer go bag into 71 rags and 71 plastic chunks"
Tfw you mistake butcher with dissasemble

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Difficulty in tome makes monsters bullet sponges and is not fun at all.
No, it doesn't. You have to break the game.

Also:
implying any of the things previously listed aren't similarly masochistic

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

user from Cataclysm here.

Actually had a pretty fun run now:

started at shelter
found a crowbar at a car
a museum next to a house
equip plate armor and a katana
sliced zombies

Too bad a shrieker zombie came at me with an entire horde and my speed was limited because cold.

SniperWish
SniperWish

As a fan of both Doom and roguelikes, DoomRL fails at both t.b.h.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

always thought doomrl was pretty slick as far as roguelikes go

Illusionz
Illusionz

It is. It fails at noise, though. Listening to everything on higher difficulties sucks.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Yeah, speed is king in the beginning. Stay light on your feet. Get established and skill up so food isn't a concern and you got ample containers and funnels for water. Salvage leather shit so once you skill up tailoring you can wear pretty protective clothing while still having <20 enc. Pay attention to layers, coverage, armor values, and enc. Use morale books, play or listen to music between fights to restore your focus so you can rapidly get your melee skills to 6+. Once you get decent protective clothing, leave a couple weak zombies alive and engage them 1v1. Don't hold something with block and just skill up dodge on it, kill it, go read/music and repeat. Train dodge on progressively stronger zombies and read the wiki monster list to know who has what melee skill or look in the code. At some point get UC to 3 or whatever to learn the brawling form for a little help on your melee fighting.

Keep your eye out for books with poppy painkiller and don't forget to sock away 2 dust masks, 2 bandanas, 2 keffiyah's, and some scarves so you can get 8+ mouth EP. Cut a digging stick or carry a trowel and wheile you're bumblefucking around the wilderness gather poppies for painkillers, dahlia roots to make flour permafood, and dandelions for dandelion tea so you ensure you're always very healthy.

If you picked decent stats, you'll be hitting very hard and crit stunning pretty reliably. combined with reach attacks/bow/crossbow/sling/gun damage slowing enemies, slowing terrain caltrops/nail boards, and sprint toggling it lets you kite all over despite your lower speed and even if something gets to you it does little to no damage and your unlimited poppy painkillers soak the pain unless you're really unlucky against a brute slam or take too many hulk slams. Do not forget that vehicle wreckage is generally 400 movement cost making them great in a pinch.

Later on when you have much better skill,GET PHERAMONES and supplies feel free to melee a little more recklessly.

Skullbone
Skullbone

I guess it's time to play Formicid

Techpill
Techpill

get shafted from D:12 to D:15
tab some more
get shafted from D:4 to D:7
enter a horrible land of sky beasts, wights, killer bees, ogres and phantoms with no knowledge of the map
lower level characters are less likely to detect shafts
Is this just bad design or is something I'm not seeing?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

LEVEL
TRAPS
AND
DOORS

idontknow
idontknow

Occasionally dumping the character into an unexplored random position at depth +3 is considered to result in interesting situations by the devil's team.

It's not particularly good design. To the extent that it results in fun play in DCSS, it only does so because of the glut of escapes and relatively shallow difficulty curve.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

you found your coffin.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

S T R A T E G I C
I
T A C T I C A L
U
A U T I S M
T
I N T E R E S T I N G
O P T I M A L
N
S

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

akaname for Demon when

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

an apparition that licks up filth in a bathroom
why are the japs so obsessed with S&M shit

Playboyize
Playboyize

It draws out more emotion, they're often under a lot of stress from the control or lack of in their lives, and they don't have a bunch of silly hangups over a bunch of personal prejudice laden fanfiction written a bunch of hilarious unpopular and uncharismatic groupies of a carpenter that put words he never said in his mouth after he was no longer alive to object to being abused like that.

massdebater
massdebater

Flan will never crack the orb on her abs
Why even VpBe....

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Japan is actually a quite conservative country, not that you could tell if all your information comes from anime. If anything hentai is worse seen in Japan than it is in the west

You managed to concentrate so much fedora into that post I'm almost tempted to use it as pasta

cum2soon
cum2soon

and what game would that be

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

want to lick it and cum on it and then play roguelikes for hours

SniperGod
SniperGod

They're always beneficial if you play UC monstrous Ds

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

As a fan of both Doom and roguelikes, ur opinion a shit.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

SpAs of Dithmenos
What should I train? I'm in Orc right now fucking up some orcs.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Stabbing bonus damage is based on an average of your Stealth and Weapons skills, as is your chance to stab in non-sleep/paralyzed situations. Probably want to bump that up some more but may not be necessary.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Ah, will do. Thanks user

Was thinking fighting since that affects melee damage and ive heard that training weapon skills above mindelay is unnecessary

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

That's true unless you're a stabber

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm using polearms. Literally nothing other than tridents and spears had spawned until I used an acquirement scroll on Lair:1, which gave me a fucking glaive of protection. My other choice is a +12 trident of speed artifact, but I won't be buying it until after Orc at the earliest since it costs almost 1k gold and I'm not sure it's even going to hold up on endgame. Should I train more Polearms?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Have you found any amazing non-polearms you want to use?

RavySnake
RavySnake

training short blades over 12 is a complete waste of exp, ever, even if you are a stabber.
go for fighting/evo/throwing(for needles if you have any lying in the dungeon) or spells.

Inmate
Inmate

How do I get over the fact that I'm a spriggan with limited food? Just dont cast spells until I have enough spellcasting?

Methshot
Methshot

How the hell could Lerny wreck me even when I used torment? This is BS, not even my atheist unbuffed human had trouble with it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

you can always use a branding scroll on the glaive to get a better brand on it, you're highly likely to find at least one in V/U
if you spawn snake/shoals you'll find a decent polearm there most likely

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Not really, there's not even much in the way of branded weapons and the only other artifacts are a hand crossbow and a long sword
Yeah, guess I have to keep going

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

you have more than enough food to cast spells even with some food cost. like 1-3 #'s
also spellcasting is cheap to get as a spriggan.
you'll still generally have like 15+ bread after clearing vaults and stuff

food clock is a joke on every race.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Lerny has HUGE HD, so he can hit through defenses really easily. 18x27 with high accuracy is enough to wreck most characters, but he is pretty squishy so you never really get a feel for how dangerous he is. 30 HD is not to be trifled with.

Booteefool
Booteefool

food clock is a joke on every race.

Not that guy, but I randomly decided to go into the code and just remove hunger as a mechanic (it was one line, with exceptions noted for vampire and ghoul since they have further food mechanics), and the only difference it made in the game at all for me is that I have less tedium of managing and picking up food, and can focus more on having fun.

There's literally no good reason for food clock to exist.

Bidwell
Bidwell

food is there to punish codeshitters like you

Emberburn
Emberburn

Note to self: Avoid Phantoms.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

literally all food does is make you carry 1-turn edibles when casting lvl 6+ spells and sometimes in earlygame makes you swap to gourmand so you can stack on permafood so you can cast high lvl spells without any worry in the lategame.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

food is there to punish codeshitters like you

How does that follow, if I'm the kind of person who can most easily just change it?

I don't think you thought this through.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I thought food existed in the game to prevent endless free farming?

eGremlin
eGremlin

We should remove mana too. All it does is to prevent you from casting anything if it runs out but what does that matter when you could just worship Sif and get like, literally unlimited mana (restores 1000-2500 mp lvl 20 invo 40 consecutive uses from 6* to 3*) in exchange for what, wasting a single turn? Boring and problematic tediousness should just be removed.

Bidwell
Bidwell

abyss and pan both gove you more food than they take unless you're spamming high level spells on low int and low spellcasting
every other area in the dungeon just stops spawning shit after not-that-long amount of time i dont remember what it is but basicly you can survive with chunks and very little permafood for all that time on most races

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

endless free farming

And yet we have mummies and vampires, ziggurats and pandemonium and the abyss.

Even then, it's certainly not free. On a long enough timeline, the survival rate of everyone eventually drops to zero.

Even early game "scumming" already has OOD and depleted floor population punishment.

Food on top of everything else is really little more than an extra layer of tedium.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

While food may be somewhat useless in this context, the entire point of these games is resource management. I think it would be a shame if they removed food, maybe they should just make it much harder for animal chunks to be a steady diet, so you actually need to use your bread and meat rations and keep the player sweating.

There could even be a food based god to alleviate that problem, if there isn't one already.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Yeah I'm certainly not suggesting food should be scrapped as an idea.

I'm just saying the way it is now, it's pretty pointless and just wastes your time for no real strategic or fun value.

Techpill
Techpill

yeah it would be a shame if they removed it completely but in its current form food is uninteresting and doesn't really affect the game in any realistic way (unless you're doing some stupid personal challenge run)
There could even be a food based god to alleviate that problem, if there isn't one already.
honestly they should just add a joke god that removes food clock completely and lets you use food for some stupid shit

Methnerd
Methnerd

But making food fun would be too much 'bloat'.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Just tack that onto chei and make it part of the "gotta go slow" theme.

You're slow because you're a fatty fat fat

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Ecumenical Temple is guarded by an Oklob plant

What kind of nonsense is this.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

If I get hooves as my demonspawn mutation, does that make me a ponyfag?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

INTERESTING
TACTICAL
SITUATIONS

likme
likme

Oh man, guess you have to take a non-temple altar this run!

I bet having that choice made for you sure mixes things up and helps you to have a fresh fun time

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

is it a plant or a sapling?
i heard that they added okhlob guarded lair entry back into the game but nothing of okhlob guarded temple.
well chei already makes food so unimportant that you dont need to carry anything but 1 type of food
and chei certainly doesnt need any buffs.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

does it count if i submitted 1 line of code for a bugfix but it was so shitty that the devs just ignored it and fixed the bugs themselves

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

chei certainly doesnt need any buffs

Who said anything about buffs? I thought the idea was just for flavor, since food already doesn't matter.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Literally just remove chunks

Snarelure
Snarelure

Having 5 Atlas's on one level felt a little unfair. Thankfully, Krogans are even more unfair.

Lets do this.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Ah, it's actually a sapling, does this mean I can actually kill the damn thing at level 8?

I'm pretty shit at this game so I'm not sure myself.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

japan is so sexually oppressed man
they censor all the dicks in their porn
and they think it's weird if a woman actually enjoys shit instead of just fake-crying the whole time

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Having 5 Atlas's on one level felt a little unfair. Thankfully, Krogans and Mattocks are even more unfair.

Lets do this.

SniperGod
SniperGod

fuck

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

mana actually meaningfully runs out in fights

food does not unless you're using fireballs to kill river rats or something equally wasteful

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

sexually oppressed

more like mentally twisted and broken because nuclear radiation

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

don't forget ru, gozag and uska for non-decaying piety (and thus better infinite farming)

it depends

do you own or are you interested in owning a blue-and-orange XL Chance?

askme
askme

enjoys shit

Scat is the constipated man's fetish.

idontknow
idontknow

runs out

how does practically unlimited resource run out

JunkTop
JunkTop

Blue and orange specifically?

hairygrape
hairygrape

other color schemes must be decided about on a case-by-case basis

WebTool
WebTool

yes but i meant some meaningful use for food that isn't really powerful but still somewhat useful/tactical or some shit like that.
saplings aren't that bad but if you aren't confident then yeah dont go for it (i think in most cases you can escape if you get ~half hp in the case of saplings)

Flameblow
Flameblow

Does changing the active effects as a weaponmaster in PCB take energy?
Also are they subject to dispel?
Plesae respond bruhs!

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Ogre Mage fag here, does Trog gift RUKS or was it Okawaru?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Saplings have the exact same offensive capabilities as full grown oklobs, they're just squishier

RumChicken
RumChicken

They both gift ammo if I'm not mistaken, which is separate from their weapon gift timer.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Both gift ammo but if you're interested in ever casting something other than RUK Oka is obviously better

farquit
farquit

Both do.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Both

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

your toggleable abilities can't be dispelled AFAIK

i'm not sure if it takes a turn but it prooobably does -- the shieldmaster even gets one that just turns him invincible indefinitely (but i think he can't attack or something?)

happy_sad
happy_sad

both do, although trog is slightly suboptimal for a mage playstyle

idontknow
idontknow

Does Strength increase your Rukh damage or is it just flat?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

What about green and purple

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate of everyone eventually drops to zero.
??ubernaga

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Ok, thanks.
Many of the weaponmaster choices seem interesting and variable.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

does it count if i submitted 1 line of code for a bugfix but it was so shitty that the devs just ignored it
No user, it doesn't. You can do better. I believe in you.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

and they think it's weird if a woman actually enjoys shit instead of just fake-crying the whole time

But why are all manga girls enjoying themselves so much then
what about ahegao

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Strength increases all damage that isn't magic, IIRC. Though, if you're a race capable of using ruks having too little str is probably not one of your main concerns

Skullbone
Skullbone

speaking of weaponmaster:
which ranged classes are the best/most fun?

I'm pretty sure regular Archer is the strongest just because having an infinite supply of seeker bolts is ridiculous and 10x better than normal ammo, but it doesn't have any of the cool powers that other classes get

sniper is neat but really weak/imbalanced

which of the ranged weaponmasters is the must fun?

melee and ragned use the same damage formula

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

which ranged classes are the best/most fun?
none

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Archer is the strongest but isn't very exciting, yes.
Slingmaster has the most fun abilities.
Bowmaster is tablord (eventually you gain perfect accuracy with an arrow in melee range so you can just keep tabbing when they approach).
Never played the crossbow one.
Daggermaster can throw their weapons and it's actually pretty strong.

Ranger is sort of okay if you want to do everything (they are decent to good at devices, melee and riding, good at ranged, and get two spell realms).

Techpill
Techpill

devs of rougeliek gaems

massdebater
massdebater

Pls list the greatplayers that post here

Flameblow
Flameblow

Oh also dynahack fixes all instadeath bullshit that is the trademark (read: infamous shitstains) of nethack.
Like? I can think of 3-4 insteadeaths
nignagamotherfuckers

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

this was posted last thread
imgur filename
reddit get out

tfw dicku has left forever

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

dyna fixes some of the bullshit insteadeaths like asking "are you really sure you wanted to move into this lava?" instead of just killing you to a typo

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

playing demon
dragon breath build
everything going great
everything not resistant to impact loses half hp from mighty roar
Anzu's sanctum
shieet this'll be easy, just got turdak an-
turdak dies in literally one turn from two raijus
wha-
get pounced
from 80 hp to 50
this is fine I'll just use an i-
from 50 to 0
Well I think I'm burnt out on Demon.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

reddit get out
most of the news here come from reddit and have for years

idontknow
idontknow

That I know of it's implojin, sar, minmay and casual. Also dicks if you count meme persons who don't post anymore

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

shh, we don't talk about that

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

In case you need it, the alias for all the nicks of casual is Xenobreeder.

idontknow
idontknow

i've never even seen pcb news on reddit

Soft_member
Soft_member

reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/4pzw5j/poschengband_500_released_new_feature_item_lore/

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

i need a while to reacclimate myself to the old traditions
a week back the new release was posted there

Skullbone
Skullbone

rogue
Ffffffuck the rogue quest

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Why doesn't PCB have auto explore

SniperWish
SniperWish

exit from depth 40 with all lumenstones
I would add without using allies. But in that case you may need to downgrade the all lumenstones requirement.
Fuck Brogue allies and fuck traps. Worst things about that game.

likme
likme

I think it's an alright roguelike, but yeah it's not very Doomish. Reminds me of the Hideous Destructor mod, at times.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Different speeds means that the turn you see a monster he can get an attack on you.
it breathes. It casts mana storm. It breathes.
DYWYPI?

viagrandad
viagrandad

autoexploring in a *band would be a gr8 way to get "You walk around a corner. The druj magicks at you! What a noble sacrifice..."

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

But the dungeon levels are so goddamn massive it takes a long time to get around them holding shift and shit

w8t4u
w8t4u

although it probably IS possible to make an autoexplore algorithm that spams detection enough to avoid shit like that, maybe

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

he hasn't activated the small dungeon option

you have only yourself to blame

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

there are infinite dungeon levels, so you don't need to (and shouldn't) fully explore each one

unless there's an artifact around i guess

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

detection already casts itself when you're in unexplored territory, if you have the rod.

But who even wants to play neo-pcb without heaven and hell or dosh knights
Just play elliptiposchenmarvinpaband.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Did Chris finally make it work for all the dungeons or is it still an mpa only thing?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

It's really fucking brutal and has pretty much zero panic buttons.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

latter for orc caves and whatever else.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

yeah but only casting it when you get to the edge of explored territory is pretty dumb

when i only have the 2-charge rod of detection i keep a detectmons around too becausde I like to use it more often than that

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I just don't understand why the Raiju's hit so hard, like Turdak isn't weak to elec is he? He literally died in a single turn the moment he used leap attack, and then I got fucking nuked.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

heh

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Not a roguelike!

Snarelure
Snarelure

That picture is inaccurate, please don't post it again unless you fix it. Its getting these things wrong:
ignoring the strength damage alternate calculation stepdown if you have less than 10 strength
skipping a random2 stepdown after the initial strength modifier calculation
ignoring the decreased effect of fighting skill on aux attacks
completely ignoring stab multipliers
ignoring berserk and might damage bonus
ignoring hungry vampire damage malus
ignoring cleave multiplier damage stepdown
ignoring transmute form multipliers
ignoring confusion negation of unarmed damage

If you made it, there are a bunch of function overrides in melee_attack.cc that you missed.

Snarelure
Snarelure

What exactly does the "blessed" status mean in IA?

Spamalot
Spamalot

They're simply good master blasters. I have yet to have a problem with any raijus, though, even those that can appear as early as Anomaly. Maybe I will on my current melee dude run.

viagrandad
viagrandad

So wait, where's the amy pusspuss

Bidwell
Bidwell

i didn't include any of that special case shit because it's just a general formula, i'm not going to add every bonus from every status effect

and you're right the formula is actually random2 (base damage * str bonus) rather than random2(base damage) * str bonus but that's mostly equivalent other than rounding fuckery

maybe i should mention the penalty from under 10 str but fuck that, and fuck aux attacks

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I want to destroy her unwashed and sweaty shithole so fucking bad that I can't breathe but she never responds.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

No, you're wrong. Crawl is a LOT deeper than you think it is. Looking at the code isn't going to reveal the intricacies. Please don't post about this again, you don't know what you're talking about and you're just going to confuse the noobs.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

crawl is not deep

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Nice, someone decided to suicide the character I had on rlgrobin. Oh well, this only means I'll continue playing on my account, not this one.
crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.16/rlgrobin/morgue-rlgrobin-20160922-184123.txt

askme
askme

who

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

suicide
death by an ancient champion gmace
doesn't seem right

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

What are the odds of being saved from dying by Beogh? Is there a formula or is it a fixed percentage chance?

WebTool
WebTool

Shared accounts are shared, I gotta say.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

It is a formula.
It's not important.

massdebater
massdebater

He came up to the champion and pressed s till he died. How isn't this a suicide?

I thought people *played* shared characters, not killed them like this. Apparently I was wrong and need to adjust my habits a little.

likme
likme

Please Amy let me dig deep inside that wide cornhole of yours.

viagrandad
viagrandad

gotta get them conducts, user
amy the filthy harlot ain't cheap

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

write code that gets into an official release of any RL in the pastas

that one isn't even hard, just look at some of the shit in CDDA, you could probably add in detachable vagina's and they let it in

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

who

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

the fuck of an answer is "it's not important"?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

memes, user
you wouldn't understand

Lunatick
Lunatick

Lets all stop shitposting.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I bet she let ponyposter fuck her fat ass while she cosplayed as a my little pony but not me because I'm shit at Nethack and especially SLEX.

happy_sad
happy_sad

motherfucker i was here since a month after the generals began

i have a right to be informed of the new memes

Flameblow
Flameblow

Adopt a trip so I can filter you.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

These are just jokes, user.
Shitposting is a different thing entirely.

cosplayers
gross
what do you take me for

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

The repo, the Jenkins autobuilds of each pull request, and the cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com item browser. Other sites can be safely ignored.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It really doesn't matter what the chance or formula is.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Amy's a player. We apparently get shitposts like that every time someone mentions her name. I'm not sure how old a thing it is, I've only noticed it for like two threads.

Methnerd
Methnerd

because it is never 100% and you should play under the assumption that it won't trigger

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

she named her pet pony after ponyposter in one of the slex screenshots she posted

they're totally a couple

she's not a player she's the dev of Slashem Extended

she is the mastermind behind the almighty "sexy farting butt trap" and the "every level is a sokoban level" race

hairygrape
hairygrape

C'mon, boy!

UV Diamond Badges are easy to get. N! bades, on the other hand...

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

It was her super sayian if I remember correctly, not her pony

Bidwell
Bidwell

arrhytmia also lurks around here but idk if he's a greatplayer or whatever

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

post Antoria stats.

Bidwell
Bidwell

What was your skills?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

he's a ponyfucker is what he is

Nojokur
Nojokur

Noice.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Fuck Brogue allies and fuck traps. Worst things about that game.
Yeah. These have given me a lot of thought.
Allies and trap both share one main issue: Dealing with them is nearly required to avoid death in the later depths, and the more efficiently you want to confront them, the more tedious micromanagement you face.

I plan to mod Brogue in the future, and they're first on my to-change list.

girlDog
girlDog

Finesse (Level 3)
Son of a bitch (Level 5)
Reloader (Level 2)
Whizkid (Level 1)
Triggerhappy (Level 2)
Ammochain (Level 1)

Ammochain is broken as fuck.
Thanks, homie. I hope one day I'll become a DoomRL greatplayer.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Well, I won a lot of stuff but I never bothered winning all crawl combos of a race, no.

RumChicken
RumChicken

i think you've already ascended one of every race in doomrl user

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

He's an awfulplayer.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

B-but I haven't ascended a demon!

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

B-but I have won MuMo!

Techpill
Techpill

Cataclysm, how do I break into a gun store? There is a metal door and windows with metal bars.

Flameblow
Flameblow

but you were thinking about ponies when you did it, which makes it still awful

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Next you'll be telling me liking undertale is bad.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Nah, you cheated, that doesn't count.

idontknow
idontknow

Craft improvised lockpick out of scrap metal. Use it on the door until it opens (or it breaks your lockpick, then make another one).

For whatever reason this doesn't set off the alarm when you fail, so there is no risk.

Techpill
Techpill

Lockpick. Can be made at fab 0 from scrap metal with a rock. You need good mechanics skill to succeed reliably, but you can roll a critical success even with no skill.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

You think that's shitposting?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Im sometimes glad noone plays on lantea

Soft_member
Soft_member

you're saying this because deep down you know it's true

you just need someone else to tell it to you because you're in denial about it yourself

Playboyize
Playboyize

Does PCB has tiles?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

defying the judgement of Dicku the great, King of Kings

get out of my sight you disgusting, splitting worm.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Get shafted from L:2 to L:4
work my way back up
all of the L:2 stairs were behind an awful Oklob trap

Shafts are a good gameplay mechanic.

Also, I've got Qazlal *****. so I'm making a ton of noise but these levels seem fairly empty. A few packs of sheep and yaks, a couple Hydras on L:1. Shouldn't Lair be more packed full of terror and enemies?

StonedTime
StonedTime

this thread is a sacred place, and tileshitters must not be allowed to pollute it with their impure thoughts

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

childrens cartoons are bad? wow, crazy
i guess theyre ok if youre a pedo and you need some new tummies to vampirize with yred

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

B-but i want to enjoy the real Greater Cyber Wyrm Angel Daemon Lich experience in chill graphics.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

shit writing
shit characters

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Some of that stuff is special case, some of it isn't.

Form multipliers, berserk/might bonus, and probably cleave reduction and stab multipliers are all important to mention. We've seen plenty of newfriends who start out by playing battleaxe berserkers, so those particulars *are* relevant.

Spreading misinformation is worse than saying nothing.

Nojokur
Nojokur

There is a point where we should probably stop this, people.

Snarelure
Snarelure

You think this is a game?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

i guess theyre ok if youre a pedo and you need some new tummies to vampirize with yred
Hey, don't equate me, a man of refined tastes, with lowly bestiality enthusiasts.

Booteefool
Booteefool

No.

massdebater
massdebater

pedos
better than ponyfags
ya no
you're both trash

Emberfire
Emberfire

kek

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

turdak.jpg

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Should I even try getting Statue Form online as a plate armour wearer with 12 int? I don't know how well suited I am to extended anyways so I'm not really planning on playing forever to grind all of my skills up.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I think I've made a terrible mistake.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Oh man it's trye. Why would someone even do that...

Message History

The bolt of poison hits the hungry ghost.
The hungry ghost completely resists. The bolt of poison hits the wraith.
The wraith completely resists. You block the hungry ghost's attack.
A lost soul flickers into view.
The ancient champion gestures at you while chanting.
You feel haunted. The hungry ghost completely misses you.
A lost soul flickers into view.
The ancient champion misses you. You block the hungry ghost's attack.
The ancient champion hits you with an enchanted great mace!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The hungry ghost completely misses you. A lost soul flickers into view.
You block the ancient champion's attack.
The hungry ghost completely misses you.
You block the hungry ghost's attack.
You block the ancient champion's attack.
You block the hungry ghost's attack.
You block the ancient champion's attack.
You block the hungry ghost's attack.
The ancient champion hits you with an enchanted great mace!!
You die...

Lunatick
Lunatick

Well, noone ever played on cdo before I created the account there. This was the first character to ever exist for cdo rlgrobin.

massdebater
massdebater

Because basically, the answer is no, he wont save you so don't die.

TechHater
TechHater

You don't wear ER>6 body armour when casting statue form and vice versa.
It melds your armour.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

statue form will disappear your armor so there's a lot of antisynergy there

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

A zombie... Who is also a turret?
God save us

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

From my experience best undergarments for statueform are troll leather (regenerating when out of form/traveling), +int robes (when you need that success chance) or archmagi (more duration and AC).

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

What game?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Oh, yeah right that makes perfect sense. Just looking for a cool survival or utility spell and that was in one of the few books I found. Probably not worth it unless I find some sweet robe or something.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Well yeah, I watched the video of him doing it.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Does anyone have tips for Dynahack sokoban, or a guide or some shit? I keep fucking up sokoban every single goddamn time. Its driving me insane.

Firespawn
Firespawn

If it borrows levels from variants, the nethack wiki has spoilers.

nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

he fucks up sokoban
I bet it's because of those pesky giants, right user

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

you can use something like this:
nhss.twonegatives.com/
to try out some of the puzzles and work out the solutions

or just look up spoilers

whereismyname
whereismyname

mfw winning Demon
That's it?

It was fun and all, but the ending felt... Ito-like.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

don't you mean rogue-like

Playboyize
Playboyize

Congratulations on doing something less than twenty people have succeeded at.

Booteefool
Booteefool

that's because nobody plays demon, user.

massdebater
massdebater

Yeah, man. I'd be surprised if it ever gets popular. I like it but it's a very slow-paced game, probably the slowest game I have ever played.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Cause of death: forgetting my fucking evocables.

Goddammit that was a fun run until I died like an idiot.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

europoor here, can confirm that geese are vicious beasts that should be avoided at all cost.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I just beat dynahack sokoban for the first time ever. It feels so good. I got a ton of shit from a prize sack and ihave no idea whats good. there where a bunch of wands that I wasn't able to id by writting with. I did manage to id most of the rings i got though. I got regen, invisibility, poly control, and +2 adornment. Which of these is worth utilizing? i'm a lawful valkyrie with Excalibur

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Ok. I definitely got it this time.

Marksman (Turian Soldier) is PRETTY good with, well, basically every weapon (except single shot weapons).

5mileys
5mileys

The last level is bullshit. Atlas's are bullshit.

I hate this game.

iluvmen
iluvmen

rings
Invis and poly control. Swap to regen when you're hurt if you want. Adornment is useless.
wands
How to ID all wands (unless dynahack added some new ones):

1. Engrave something in the dust with your fingers
2. Engrave something in the dust with the wand
3a. If it vanishes, zap a monster. If the monster isn't there, teleport. If it's invisible, invisibility. Otherwise cancellation.
3b. If nothing happens, zap yourself. If it doesn't ask for a direction, it's door detection. Probing and undead turning identify here as well.

The rest are crap wands that don't matter, but you can zap doors and chests if you care to know if it's locking or opening or whatever.

Years after I quit playing nethack I still remember this, send help.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

What did you expect?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Despite having not yet beaten it, I feel the game is actually pretty reasonably balanced so far.

I thought the Krogan was the most OP thing in the game, but there are a few other classes that have pretty overpowering abilities.

I think the biggest issue with the game is the last level really pigeonholes you into *needing* to kill multiple Atlus's quickly so I have a really hard time seeing it possible to win with shit like Vanguard.

MPmaster
MPmaster

tfw i can't open PCB

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

kek

yea zephyr cards (controlled blink) are pretty rare and are the only escape consumable, otherwise you have to rely on status/debuff runes to slow your enemies down or incapacitate them

massdebater
massdebater

I just dug a pit for cookfire in dda and accidentally fell into it and died, I know that feeling man

Playboyize
Playboyize

best /rlg/ pic ever

Playboyize
Playboyize

Gotta get a stone fireplace, man!

Snarelure
Snarelure

You can smash ovens/vehicles with broken frames and intact quarterpanel/roofs or deconstruct ovens for a sheet metal to make a brazier so you can cook anywhere. Or just use ovens. If you find a building or fema camp grab and pull a wood stove around to your base. Later on, make a stone shovel and burn down 4 or 5 looted houses for nails and sock away the rocks for shit like a stone fireplace.

Methshot
Methshot

Yeah, I was coming over some bad injuries and managed to give the zombies a slip in a barn. Had a bunch of meat too cook, so I figured I'd build a quick firepit, learned my lesson.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

You don't have to worry about brushfires iirc. Just don't put too much wood on it or it'll expand into a 3x3, don't stand adj, don't put it diagonal to something like a shrub/tree/house/zombie drops with a bunch of wood

iluvmen
iluvmen

put Vodun motherfuckin' mask on your ugly face, because muh monster sight
put Swiftness on self
grab quick despawn on lvl 5
ghetto panic button that works perfectly for 95% of encounters
lets you spread hordes thin so that you can rape them one by one
lets you pull things into rape tunnels safely
still has all the advantages of quick despawn, meaning you can swap demons around like a hypergamous slut
Vodun mask means you will never receive a rapeback
implying you ever needed transpose soul, revelation, soul armor or the other queer-ass pansy abilities granted by cock cages of """"power"""" that other relics are

w8t4u
w8t4u

So in dynahack i accidentally pissed off the minetown guards. i'm pretty sure i didnt steal anything. How to i get them to calm down? I think i can kill them all but i expect that would end poorly for me. I'm lawful btw

idontknow
idontknow

Did you use up the fountain?

I don't think you can outside of some shenanigans you can pull with stealing an item from a shop and then paying back the cost. I think. Consult the wiki before trying this.

Killing them yourself will trash your luck and alignment. A large dog or cat pet can kill the watchmen if you have one.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I want to cum pearly white goop inside of her cloaca while her tail stimulates my prostate

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

her

SniperWish
SniperWish

what am I reading

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I'm not even sure why you people never expected this in the first place. Considering people here get sexual satisfaction just from having a post directed at them, just imagine how much of a raging boner the poor sucker must have now that you're talking about how he did something shitty in a shared account.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I don't think I did. So it looks like i have to avoid minetown this run. In dynahack is there anything i need from the gnomish mines. Cause I can tunnel downward to get down lower can't I?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Tfw no v/ fanart of Fairy Iris.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

remove tomb
why dont you remove yourself lmao

MPmaster
MPmaster

japanese devs
NOT EVEN ONCE

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Why not?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

not equipping a fairy
You're missing out, my man.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Elona is a clusterfuck
OWH is a clusterfuck

WebTool
WebTool

Im perfectly fine with chaotic small clusterfuck games user.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I equipped a prancing fairy and got the ability "queer". It looks like it protects from charm, at least by succubi.

Bidwell
Bidwell

First run with Ashenzari. What is this useful for?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

manuals of skills you don't use

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Actually the controlled blink item are wind cards and Zephyr Cards let you summon a demon wherever you want I think

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

huge hp + bonus max hp
str,agi,cun doesnt matter
low-med vit
huge magic stat
huge magic AoE blasts + max HP drain + a couple of magic veils
that's all you need to know really

SniperGod
SniperGod

Give me doomRL tips.

5mileys
5mileys

CoQ x DCSS

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

weakness?
resistances?
maybe i can meme him

Emberfire
Emberfire

oh yea my bad
also zephyr/calm cards are instant

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

he's resistant to most magic elements, but weak to light/dark

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Some other decent escape options not used very often are Short Jaunt and dash too

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

veekyforums.com/thread/155222603/video-games

You should also build Tactical Boots whenever possible. In fact, you probably won't need any other boots that aren't Acid-Proof Boots, Phaseshift Boots or Enviroboots.

If you have Brute 2 or Eagle Eye, you can usually circunvent the accuracy penalties of Running, making you a bit tankier while still dealing damage.

If you want to play on N!, forget about everything you learned before, because that shit's almost like a different game.
You'll need a bunch of rockets, water/acid/lava floor tiles, barrels and doors to stop yourself from going insane. That is, if you have the good ol' autism and want to keep a high kill percentage.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I take it you always want to take hellrunner first, and then get that dodging passive before getting shoot-shit-better passives?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

lmfao orb fags btfo

massdebater
massdebater

Must've been the fastest lab ever for me.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I guess that almost every Orb-lad with some good mates can rape Antoria.
I mean, the easiest way to succeed as an Orb-lad is being a light/dark caster.

eGremlin
eGremlin

I think by far the best starting abilities are
Sepi/Item sense
Enemy Sense
Translator/whatevercomeswittranslater
Quick Summon/Unsummon
Nightgale/Revalation
shit
piss
soul armor/fusion saver

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Not necessarily. Depends on your build.
You might want to get a master trait that blocks Hellrunner, or you might not even need it.
Those are some of the best all-around skills, though. And Dodgemaster lets you get the Cyberdemon without him even touching you (unless you're on Angel of Berserk).

viagrandad
viagrandad

apparently their melee attack is an instant kill or something, because I just met the same fate

the engineer's combat drone buddy is pretty gr8 against them though, they were spending 99% of their time smashing through my drone's multiple-thousand-point shield while I could just resummon it every 2 turns

you can also summon the drone anywhere in LOS, so you can do shit like blocking corridors or dropping it next to snipers to make them stop bothering you

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

forgot that I haven't upped my invo this time because of awesome magic
used an invo escape ability when I had lots of other perfectly safe ways to survive
it predictably failed
Save macros?

Snarelure
Snarelure

I think it's actually just having +75% defense at all times

Not pictured- Scarab w/ protect

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Actually using a Dipsas
underrated post

WebTool
WebTool

Page 10
You hear Xom's maniacal laughter.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Anything with pounce and stun attacks will potentially wreck Turdak because all his defense are dependent on him not being stunned

Raiju are also balls fast and used to be the bane of my existence I know your pain

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Swapping from melee to casting when you find nothing but bookstores in Orc.
Swapping from casting to melee when you find amazing randart armor.
Reallocating that XP you wasted on throwing or whatever the fuck because you forgot to set training to manual.
Reallocating that XP you spent on hexes because it was useful in the early game but you've stopped using because stabbing is very unreliable later.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Xom chuckles
Multicolored sparks come out of your fingers!
supforums.com/thread/352641428/video-games

Methnerd
Methnerd

reallocating weapon skills as you transition from an early game elec whip and 6 throwing to the +10 executioner axe of 15 runes (rf++ rc+ mr++ dex+8)

Spamalot
Spamalot

tfw no relic with shit/piss upgrades

grat

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

NEW THRED WHEN YOU FUCKING CUNTS?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Thanks. I've wasted some points on unarmed and axes (found a Demon trident pretty early). Reallocating to polearms for now.

cum2soon
cum2soon

fucking shit that scared me

happy_sad
happy_sad

veekyforums.com/thread/155507998/video-games

w8t4u
w8t4u

first for chei