Literally everywhere their ideology has been tried it has failed.
Is this due to the fact Capitalism is based on Mathematics and evidence whereas Communism is based upon critical theory which make Capitalism far more open to scrutiny and people who attack Communism can be dismissed due to the fact 'it hasn't really been achieved'?
Isn't this just fallacious? So until Communism actually works its not actually Communism because if Communism fails it's the fault of the individual not the ideology but somehow it's okay to attack Capitalism because of the ideology?
How can you rationally be a Communist after so many famines? You have to be literally brain damaged.
Tyler King
if you follow communism through to its theoretical ends, purely, ideal realised, you'll be the only one left standing, everyone else will be dead.
t. equal
Brody Brooks
idiotsjustflock to its banner because its an ideolised head of propaganda and bullshit, an appeal that the lamen thinks it wont have to do work and be dissenvowed from true responsibility of self or society.
Cooper Wood
Literally nobody who isn't autistic or trolling is a communist any more.
Colton Long
Yeah because all those people Stalin deported to Siberia were posh nobles who had privatised huge tracts of land. All the people that the Soviet regime would publically hang in town squares or execute in forests were filthy exploitative scumbags with no concern for their fellow man.
Clearly, communism dindu nu'in.
Blake Murphy
>tfw used to be a cringey ass sovietboo when i was a teenager
i still cringe thinking about it
Lincoln Lewis
>no famine in lolpitalism >What is czarist Russia, India, several african countries, Ireland, market induced food price hikes in poor countries
JUST
Hunter Hall
That's not a flaw, it's a feature, and capitalist society makes no pretentious claim that it works for their benefit
Jacob Rogers
/thread Market failures are a small price to pay for not being killed for refusing to submit.
Jose James
>mfw Ethiopia and Botswana had severe crop failures at the same time and nobody died in Botswana because they were capitalist
Alexander Phillips
We have this thread every single day.
Chase Fisher
Will you kindly provide sources for the "body count" figures? And I mean primary sources only.
Daniel Hughes
It's all good until disaster strikes you. I thought benefit was the main talking point of even the most extreme lolbertarians. Guess capitalism can never effectively hide it's feudalistic-totalitarian nature.
Jace Butler
what made you change your opinion? what would be your strategy to stop commies from being commies?
Jose Mitchell
I'd rather be told I'm being fucked in the ass than have my ass fucked while by the person who's saying they'll protect my asshole from being fucked.
Levi Fisher
In the end you get fucked in the ass no matter what the rhetoric is or isn't. The point is why should there be mandatory ass fucking?
Ryan Barnes
That doesn't change the fact that deaths from starvation are also present under capitalism.
Levi Ward
Not really.
They were present in colonial dominions during age of colonialism.
Since like 1945 every significant famine has occurred in socialist countries or failed states.
Nolan Bell
There are six threads about communism up and active right now. Calm down /pol/
Elijah Bennett
Consider the fact that dead by starvation is less in capitalist than "communist" countries. Example, Cuba vs United Kingdom
Ian Torres
>Consider the fact that dead by starvation is less in capitalist than "communist" countries
In the West. Yes. Everywhere else? Hell no.
Levi Garcia
It means that the most successful capitalist countries are more successful than the most successful "communist"countries. And yes, everywhere else as well.
Xavier Taylor
>it's another "developing countries are capitalist" thread
Just like Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola, Mozambique, and all of the other countries that were ruined by capitalism.
Michael Powell
>It means that the most successful capitalist countries are more successful than the most successful "communist"countries. And yes, everywhere else as well.
Except if you include Capitalism in the third and not the first world the picture gets hazier. Hazier still, the geopolitics that got them to that point.
James Reed
Nope. Cold war era western cuckstatistics are hardly considered respectable.
Cooper Baker
>Just like Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola, Mozambique, and all of the other countries that were ruined by capitalism.
Are you implying they aren't motivated by Capital
Carter Turner
I'm implying you should be thrown, screaming, from a helicopter into the Pacific Ocean, and then your entire family raped by specially trained dogs.
Ryan Gray
Another proof that /leftypol/ is the same shit as /pol/
>stats dont real, the Jews doctored them!
Dylan Richardson
This is some "holocaust never happened" kind of stupidity. /leftypol/ is truly as stupid as /pol/
Mason Cook
How was it concluded that 58 million died in the USSR in the period cited in the picture?
Julian Hall
>tfw when /pol/tards claim they are anti cuck yet they are the ultimate kind of cuck
Alexander Lopez
>I'm implying you should be thrown, screaming, from a helicopter into the Pacific Ocean, and then your entire family raped by specially trained dogs.
They have therapists for anger management courses. Not everyone will agree with you on the internet.
Josiah Morris
Muh six hundred buhgillion dead by Stalin
Jordan Baker
I'm not angry, that's just something that has worked in the past.
Connor King
Yes you are
Xavier Moore
Example. Exaggerated holodomor casualties. Only mentioned Stalin's retprisals, totally ignored climate conditions and the fact that the same reasons affected populace in non Ukrainian territories. Not saying that Stalin wasn't capable of such measures but magnitude, causes and if it actually happened intentionally is still a matter of debate.
Lucas Sanders
Not angry either and agree with him. There's yet any conclusive proof to be presented that communists have a right to live.
Thomas Ward
The commie's right to live is your right to die.
Jose Russell
Stalin is still alive and kills 1 million every year.
Daniel Ward
I think the alt right is more of a drain on everyone's collective nerves right now than the Marxists. What a time right
Grayson Myers
Well it's either
>commies are so evil they deliberately starved millions of people
or
>commies are so incompetent and pants on head stupid that their economic mishaps force millions of people to starve to death
Frankly, the latter sounds much worse. It's worse to be stupid than evil.
Jaxson Kelly
I'm a social democrat amigo, no alt right.
Isaac Brooks
I'm against the Jews censoring my nazi propaganda but the moment you dare have a dangerous ideology my uncle told me was bad I'm going to shut you up
Gavin Hill
Youre both liberals. So what's the difference.
Hunter Perez
>There's yet any conclusive proof to be presented that communists have a right to live. This. Let's bring back our glorious leader, Pinochet, to bring down all the commie scum on earth for once and forever!
Anthony Gomez
America has done worse actually
Easton Long
The difference is that everyone in the world who is not a communist hates communists.
John Scott
This is autism
Benjamin Lewis
Same goes for the alt right
Jaxson Hernandez
America had exactly 0 famines in the 20th and 21s century.
Carson Garcia
Hahahaha When capitalism is having trouble the solution is simple. Outright and blatant fascism which is normal actually since fascism is a capitalist byproduct. Typical
Jeremiah Diaz
My nigga.
Social Democracy without the SJW shit is essentially perfect.
What we need is more people who believe in Social Democracy, but also mercilessly killing anyone who fucks with their social democracy.
Ayden Carter
>nobody ITT is alt right >he still uses it as a strawman
lol
Andrew Allen
>Social Democracy without the SJW shit is essentially perfect.
Yep.
Caleb Martin
So there's an expectation date on famine once you've exploited enough nations?
Lincoln Flores
>Social Democracy without the SJW shit is essentially perfect. Sure... If you're a degenerate ok with stealing from others. But if you have any ambition in life, it's complete cancer.
Connor Gutierrez
What's the point in hiding
Ryan Collins
Yeah, since mechanized agriculture and modern fertilizing methods pretty much. USSR literally had famines during their "industrial" era.
Luke Hernandez
>social democracy >not social liberalism Step up, sempai!
Xavier Rivera
>social democracy is alt right
Lincoln Bell
>Capitalism is based on Mathematics and evidence whereas Communism is based upon critical theory wtf am i reading
Oliver Ortiz
That stands for capitalists too then since they also murdered millions through starvation and/or direct invasion ie colonialism. Evil, incompetent and stupid.
Eli Perry
The simple truth is that there are some investments that the government can make more efficiently than private individuals.
This includes health care, and education.
This isn't to say that the government should take over either, but there absolutely should be public investment in both fields to create a safety net where private industry fails.
An economy can't grow without healthy, well educated workers, and "lol let the market handle it" isn't a substitute for investing in your work force.
Noah Cooper
Nah, colonialism killed people in foreign lands while commies killed their own lmao.
Brody Jones
Muh benefits belong only to muh ethnic group
Jaxson Lee
To be more precise, communism killed people in foreign lands AND their homelands.
Oliver Morris
Yep. Communism is the universal recipe how to fuck up your country.
Thomas Kelly
>An economy can't grow without healthy, well educated workers, and "lol let the market handle it" isn't a substitute for investing in your work force. >parents have no interest in their children's education really?
>The simple truth is that there are some investments that the government can make more efficiently than private individuals. I disagree
>This includes health care, and education. It's turned out great so far... Massive tuition bubble, indoctrination, nearly universal anti-student unions that exist because they are in bed with the dems, etc The healthcare market is only fucked because employers get a tax break for providing insurance. And the saying is true, 'No one spends someone else's money like it's their own'. Government is not the solution to government.
>but there absolutely should be public investment in both fields to create a safety net where private industry fails. Do it yourself then. Make your own charity to do exactly that. If it is worth while, then private individuals will donate. But don't hold a gun to my head and tell me to hand over my wallet or else.
Justin Bennett
>No civil war based on suppressing popular uprising has ever occurred in a capitalist country
You may not care about the occupied people but in the end they were the ones that killed your fellow countrymen (and rightfully so).
Benjamin Roberts
>Are Communists and Socialists literally retarded? >equates communism with soviet regimes >"Capitalism is based on Mathematics and evidence whereas Communism is based upon critical theory" Capitalists are this retarded.
Jason Long
When was the US communist?
Evan Peterson
>never been done before
James Wilson
>Do it yourself then. Make your own charity to do exactly that. If it is worth while, then private individuals will donate. >But don't hold a gun to my head and tell me to hand over my wallet or else
See, if you applied this philosophy to defense, you wouldn't exist after a while.
So the simple process of evolution has eliminated all of the societies that liked free market military solutions. Although Somalia still has some if you're interested.
If you apply this same logic to education and health care, you'll get shitty education and health care. Unlike shitty defense, this doesn't get you conquered. It just means you have a shitty country to live in.
Landon Evans
Pretending that communists defend the soviet system and attacking them for it is just a massive straw man based on cold war propaganda (tankies appart). If "communism" triggers you, just substitute the word "communism" with it's definition (something like "a classless stateless, moneyless worker managed society").
Jaxson Fisher
>occupied people >a commie saying this
Ethan Morgan
>personal responsibility >no forced outcomes >a bad thing wew lad
>See, if you applied this philosophy to defense, you wouldn't exist after a while. The one where we limit government to what it is supposed to be? You know, rule of law and stopping other governments...
>So the simple process of evolution has eliminated all of the societies that liked free market military solutions. >the free market killed the free market, not people seeking to grow government power wew lad
>If you apply this same logic to education and health care, you'll get shitty education and health care. >free market >shit products lasting for long without government influence
>Unlike shitty defense, this doesn't get you conquered. Blade_of_grass.png inb4 allegedly never said
>It just means you have a shitty country to live in. Go back to europe and steal from someone else.
Levi Barnes
>what it is supposed to be?
According to what?
I'm all in favor of the 10th Amendment, but that interstate commerce is all game, boy.
>the free market killed the free market, not people seeking to grow government power
No, people with stronger governments conquered the ones that didn't develop a complex defense apparatus that enabled them to survive.
For the logical extreme of this trend, all you need to do is look to the anarchist factions in the Spanish and Russian civil wars.
The free market is in fact the most efficient way to administer goods and services, and generally the best system of economics.
But no system is perfect.
The government fills in those gaps.
Jaxon Ramirez
You should read the "Socialist Phenomenon" by Igor Shafarevish.
He described every socialist community to ever have existed or imagined. Most of them either had huge contradictions that made them fail/impossible, or it's basically slavery where the states kills you for not working hard enough / for being crippled.
Saying that the Soviet State wasn't true communist most likely means your version of communism is full of contradictions.
Michael Allen
>But no system is perfect. >The government fills in those gaps. For market failures that can't be solved with property rights, I agree. But healthcare and education are not such market failures.
>but that interstate commerce is all game, boy. >bastardizing the interstate commerce clause. >not realizing that interstate meant between america and other states, not between the states. Oh boy...
Jason Green
>Implying
Daniel Hill
Yeah, why are the /pol/yps all assblasted?
Are they just having an autistic fit because Trump isn't doing too well?
Leo Perry
Saying that the Soviet State wasn't true communist means i'm able to read and interpret a simple definition. I'll read the book though.
Aiden Gutierrez
Define communism and explain why the Soviet State wasn't communism.
Jacob Hernandez
>explain why the Soviet State wasn't communism. It failed.
Cameron Ross
Freedom to abide by the protocol of each according to their needs, building distinct niche passion for one to act their life accordingly on. A system without a market. Centrally planned. No state.
Gavin Murphy
Those are all state capitalist countries you retard
Jaxson Rivera
And yet when something goes wrong in capitalism it has to be someone else's fault. State intervention, low iq, work ethic, culture blah blah blah.
>Muh pure capitalism has never been tried
James Ward
Of course capitalists were imperialists, but it's cute when commies deny they were imperialists too.
Daniel Walker
>lmgtfy.com/?q=communism >In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6] Tell me yourself, do soviet states fit the definition? Does any state at all fit the definition?
Jaxson Johnson
I don't think centrally planned is necessarily part of communism.
Oliver Cooper
It isn't but it's how I see it most easily done. Something involving a syndicate.
Adrian Wright
>point to aspects where it does what it should and there isn't government fucking it up >point to aspects where it doesn't do what it should and there is government fucking it up >point to genuine failures of capitalism that can't be solved with property rights and what can be done to solve them
WAH, capitalism is being mean to my shit religion.
Jeremiah Taylor
How is the miracle hand of the market solving all my problems not a religion!
Christopher Watson
Economist here. Communists do way more math than we do. We just sit back and apply the efficient market hypothesis, then puff cigars and sip brandy.
Jaxon Hill
Hahahahaha. So if communist famines were worse that means capitalists were much worse imperialists and therefore killed multiple times the people communism killed. Right?
Xavier Young
>implying I can decipher these incoherent ramblings