Are Communists and Socialists literally retarded?

Literally everywhere their ideology has been tried it has failed.

Is this due to the fact Capitalism is based on Mathematics and evidence whereas Communism is based upon critical theory which make Capitalism far more open to scrutiny and people who attack Communism can be dismissed due to the fact 'it hasn't really been achieved'?

Isn't this just fallacious? So until Communism actually works its not actually Communism because if Communism fails it's the fault of the individual not the ideology but somehow it's okay to attack Capitalism because of the ideology?

How can you rationally be a Communist after so many famines? You have to be literally brain damaged.

if you follow communism through to its theoretical ends, purely, ideal realised, you'll be the only one left standing, everyone else will be dead.

t. equal

idiotsjustflock to its banner because its an ideolised head of propaganda and bullshit, an appeal that the lamen thinks it wont have to do work and be dissenvowed from true responsibility of self or society.

Literally nobody who isn't autistic or trolling is a communist any more.

Yeah because all those people Stalin deported to Siberia were posh nobles who had privatised huge tracts of land. All the people that the Soviet regime would publically hang in town squares or execute in forests were filthy exploitative scumbags with no concern for their fellow man.

Clearly, communism dindu nu'in.

>tfw used to be a cringey ass sovietboo when i was a teenager

i still cringe thinking about it

>no famine in lolpitalism
>What is czarist Russia, India, several african countries, Ireland, market induced food price hikes in poor countries

JUST

That's not a flaw, it's a feature, and capitalist society makes no pretentious claim that it works for their benefit

/thread
Market failures are a small price to pay for not being killed for refusing to submit.

>mfw Ethiopia and Botswana had severe crop failures at the same time and nobody died in Botswana because they were capitalist

We have this thread every single day.

Will you kindly provide sources for the "body count" figures? And I mean primary sources only.

It's all good until disaster strikes you.
I thought benefit was the main talking point of even the most extreme lolbertarians. Guess capitalism can never effectively hide it's feudalistic-totalitarian nature.

what made you change your opinion? what would be your strategy to stop commies from being commies?

I'd rather be told I'm being fucked in the ass than have my ass fucked while by the person who's saying they'll protect my asshole from being fucked.

In the end you get fucked in the ass no matter what the rhetoric is or isn't. The point is why should there be mandatory ass fucking?

That doesn't change the fact that deaths from starvation are also present under capitalism.

Not really.

They were present in colonial dominions during age of colonialism.

Since like 1945 every significant famine has occurred in socialist countries or failed states.

There are six threads about communism up and active right now. Calm down /pol/

Consider the fact that dead by starvation is less in capitalist than "communist" countries. Example, Cuba vs United Kingdom

>Consider the fact that dead by starvation is less in capitalist than "communist" countries

In the West. Yes. Everywhere else? Hell no.

It means that the most successful capitalist countries are more successful than the most successful "communist"countries. And yes, everywhere else as well.

>it's another "developing countries are capitalist" thread

Just like Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola, Mozambique, and all of the other countries that were ruined by capitalism.

>It means that the most successful capitalist countries are more successful than the most successful "communist"countries. And yes, everywhere else as well.

Except if you include Capitalism in the third and not the first world the picture gets hazier. Hazier still, the geopolitics that got them to that point.

Nope. Cold war era western cuckstatistics are hardly considered respectable.

>Just like Ethiopia, Somalia, Angola, Mozambique, and all of the other countries that were ruined by capitalism.

Are you implying they aren't motivated by Capital

I'm implying you should be thrown, screaming, from a helicopter into the Pacific Ocean, and then your entire family raped by specially trained dogs.

Another proof that /leftypol/ is the same shit as /pol/

>stats dont real, the Jews doctored them!

This is some "holocaust never happened" kind of stupidity. /leftypol/ is truly as stupid as /pol/

How was it concluded that 58 million died in the USSR in the period cited in the picture?

>tfw when /pol/tards claim they are anti cuck yet they are the ultimate kind of cuck

>I'm implying you should be thrown, screaming, from a helicopter into the Pacific Ocean, and then your entire family raped by specially trained dogs.

They have therapists for anger management courses. Not everyone will agree with you on the internet.

Muh six hundred buhgillion dead by Stalin

I'm not angry, that's just something that has worked in the past.

Yes you are

Example. Exaggerated holodomor casualties. Only mentioned Stalin's retprisals, totally ignored climate conditions and the fact that the same reasons affected populace in non Ukrainian territories. Not saying that Stalin wasn't capable of such measures but magnitude, causes and if it actually happened intentionally is still a matter of debate.

Not angry either and agree with him. There's yet any conclusive proof to be presented that communists have a right to live.

The commie's right to live is your right to die.

Stalin is still alive and kills 1 million every year.

I think the alt right is more of a drain on everyone's collective nerves right now than the Marxists. What a time right

Well it's either

>commies are so evil they deliberately starved millions of people

or

>commies are so incompetent and pants on head stupid that their economic mishaps force millions of people to starve to death

Frankly, the latter sounds much worse. It's worse to be stupid than evil.

I'm a social democrat amigo, no alt right.

I'm against the Jews censoring my nazi propaganda but the moment you dare have a dangerous ideology my uncle told me was bad I'm going to shut you up

Youre both liberals. So what's the difference.

>There's yet any conclusive proof to be presented that communists have a right to live.
This. Let's bring back our glorious leader, Pinochet, to bring down all the commie scum on earth for once and forever!

America has done worse actually

The difference is that everyone in the world who is not a communist hates communists.

This is autism

Same goes for the alt right

America had exactly 0 famines in the 20th and 21s century.

Hahahaha
When capitalism is having trouble the solution is simple.
Outright and blatant fascism which is normal actually since fascism is a capitalist byproduct.
Typical

My nigga.

Social Democracy without the SJW shit is essentially perfect.

What we need is more people who believe in Social Democracy, but also mercilessly killing anyone who fucks with their social democracy.

>nobody ITT is alt right
>he still uses it as a strawman

lol

>Social Democracy without the SJW shit is essentially perfect.

Yep.

So there's an expectation date on famine once you've exploited enough nations?

>Social Democracy without the SJW shit is essentially perfect.
Sure... If you're a degenerate ok with stealing from others.
But if you have any ambition in life, it's complete cancer.

What's the point in hiding

Yeah, since mechanized agriculture and modern fertilizing methods pretty much. USSR literally had famines during their "industrial" era.

>social democracy
>not social liberalism
Step up, sempai!

>social democracy is alt right

>Capitalism is based on Mathematics and evidence whereas Communism is based upon critical theory
wtf am i reading

That stands for capitalists too then since they also murdered millions through starvation and/or direct invasion ie colonialism.
Evil, incompetent and stupid.

The simple truth is that there are some investments that the government can make more efficiently than private individuals.

This includes health care, and education.

This isn't to say that the government should take over either, but there absolutely should be public investment in both fields to create a safety net where private industry fails.

An economy can't grow without healthy, well educated workers, and "lol let the market handle it" isn't a substitute for investing in your work force.

Nah, colonialism killed people in foreign lands while commies killed their own lmao.

Muh benefits belong only to muh ethnic group

To be more precise, communism killed people in foreign lands AND their homelands.

Yep. Communism is the universal recipe how to fuck up your country.

>An economy can't grow without healthy, well educated workers, and "lol let the market handle it" isn't a substitute for investing in your work force.
>parents have no interest in their children's education
really?

>The simple truth is that there are some investments that the government can make more efficiently than private individuals.
I disagree

>This includes health care, and education.
It's turned out great so far...
Massive tuition bubble, indoctrination, nearly universal anti-student unions that exist because they are in bed with the dems, etc
The healthcare market is only fucked because employers get a tax break for providing insurance. And the saying is true, 'No one spends someone else's money like it's their own'. Government is not the solution to government.

>but there absolutely should be public investment in both fields to create a safety net where private industry fails.
Do it yourself then. Make your own charity to do exactly that. If it is worth while, then private individuals will donate.
But don't hold a gun to my head and tell me to hand over my wallet or else.

>No civil war based on suppressing popular uprising has ever occurred in a capitalist country

You may not care about the occupied people but in the end they were the ones that killed your fellow countrymen (and rightfully so).

>Are Communists and Socialists literally retarded?
>equates communism with soviet regimes
>"Capitalism is based on Mathematics and evidence whereas Communism is based upon critical theory"
Capitalists are this retarded.

When was the US communist?

>never been done before

>Do it yourself then. Make your own charity to do exactly that. If it is worth while, then private individuals will donate.
>But don't hold a gun to my head and tell me to hand over my wallet or else

See, if you applied this philosophy to defense, you wouldn't exist after a while.

So the simple process of evolution has eliminated all of the societies that liked free market military solutions. Although Somalia still has some if you're interested.

If you apply this same logic to education and health care, you'll get shitty education and health care. Unlike shitty defense, this doesn't get you conquered. It just means you have a shitty country to live in.

Pretending that communists defend the soviet system and attacking them for it is just a massive straw man based on cold war propaganda (tankies appart). If "communism" triggers you, just substitute the word "communism" with it's definition (something like "a classless stateless, moneyless worker managed society").

>occupied people
>a commie saying this

>personal responsibility
>no forced outcomes
>a bad thing
wew lad

>See, if you applied this philosophy to defense, you wouldn't exist after a while.
The one where we limit government to what it is supposed to be?
You know, rule of law and stopping other governments...

>So the simple process of evolution has eliminated all of the societies that liked free market military solutions.
>the free market killed the free market, not people seeking to grow government power
wew lad

>If you apply this same logic to education and health care, you'll get shitty education and health care.
>free market
>shit products lasting for long without government influence

>Unlike shitty defense, this doesn't get you conquered.
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inb4 allegedly never said

>It just means you have a shitty country to live in.
Go back to europe and steal from someone else.

>what it is supposed to be?

According to what?

I'm all in favor of the 10th Amendment, but that interstate commerce is all game, boy.

>the free market killed the free market, not people seeking to grow government power

No, people with stronger governments conquered the ones that didn't develop a complex defense apparatus that enabled them to survive.

For the logical extreme of this trend, all you need to do is look to the anarchist factions in the Spanish and Russian civil wars.

The free market is in fact the most efficient way to administer goods and services, and generally the best system of economics.

But no system is perfect.

The government fills in those gaps.

You should read the "Socialist Phenomenon" by Igor Shafarevish.

He described every socialist community to ever have existed or imagined. Most of them either had huge contradictions that made them fail/impossible, or it's basically slavery where the states kills you for not working hard enough / for being crippled.

Saying that the Soviet State wasn't true communist most likely means your version of communism is full of contradictions.

>But no system is perfect.
>The government fills in those gaps.
For market failures that can't be solved with property rights, I agree.
But healthcare and education are not such market failures.

>but that interstate commerce is all game, boy.
>bastardizing the interstate commerce clause.
>not realizing that interstate meant between america and other states, not between the states.
Oh boy...

>Implying

Yeah, why are the /pol/yps all assblasted?

Are they just having an autistic fit because Trump isn't doing too well?

Saying that the Soviet State wasn't true communist means i'm able to read and interpret a simple definition. I'll read the book though.

Define communism and explain why the Soviet State wasn't communism.

>explain why the Soviet State wasn't communism.
It failed.

Freedom to abide by the protocol of each according to their needs, building distinct niche passion for one to act their life accordingly on. A system without a market. Centrally planned. No state.

Those are all state capitalist countries you retard

And yet when something goes wrong in capitalism it has to be someone else's fault. State intervention, low iq, work ethic, culture blah blah blah.

>Muh pure capitalism has never been tried

Of course capitalists were imperialists, but it's cute when commies deny they were imperialists too.

>lmgtfy.com/?q=communism
>In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]
Tell me yourself, do soviet states fit the definition? Does any state at all fit the definition?

I don't think centrally planned is necessarily part of communism.

It isn't but it's how I see it most easily done. Something involving a syndicate.

>point to aspects where it does what it should and there isn't government fucking it up
>point to aspects where it doesn't do what it should and there is government fucking it up
>point to genuine failures of capitalism that can't be solved with property rights and what can be done to solve them

WAH, capitalism is being mean to my shit religion.

How is the miracle hand of the market solving all my problems not a religion!

Economist here. Communists do way more math than we do. We just sit back and apply the efficient market hypothesis, then puff cigars and sip brandy.

Hahahahaha. So if communist famines were worse that means capitalists were much worse imperialists and therefore killed multiple times the people communism killed.
Right?

>implying I can decipher these incoherent ramblings

I wish they killed more fascists honestly

But user, they were the fascists.

..... But they did (Well except for Franco)

Yeah they allied with the fascists instead.