This is a religion/philosophy thread, not a WW2 hitory or German hate thread. If you have nothing to contribute fuck off.
Ok so now that we got that out of the way. I've noticed that Evola, Savitri Devi and Serrano are were big Hinduboos, meanwhile advocating for a political systems that were either racist or warlike and "worldy" in the sense that they are didn't focus on the individual and transcendence but on the masses and empire-buiding, eugenics, etc. In short, political systems that were a little bit too "of this world" for Hinduism.
Meanwhile Hinduism preaches non-violence and that this world is basically an illusion and above and beyond this all are one.
(The same could be said for Platonism, Gnosticism, Catharism, Schopenhauerism... And yet nationalist, fascists and natsoc intellectuals and mystics seem to have a hard on for these too.)
Now all of this would seem to indicate that Hinduism is obviously not compatible with these political ideologies. IF NOT for the existance of Hindu nationalists and natsoc sympathizers currently living in India today!
How do you reconcile an otherwordly religion with a wordly political system? How do you reconcile non-violence with armed forces, parades and nuclear arsenals? How do you reconcile "we are all one" mentality with rigid hierarchies between castes, races and nations? Finally how do you reconcile that everything is an illusion with the basic fact of having to maintain a political and economical system, patrol borders, keep international relations, in short, the day-t-day administrative and political life of a nation (and of life for that matter)? Am I missing something? Commentaries by actual Hindus appreciated.
Thugees were Hindu man. You can find violent variations of most religions. Outside of ISIS, most religions settles on variants that preached peace.
Gavin Rodriguez
To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races - the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by. Ever since that evil day, when Moslems first landed in Hindustan, right up to the present moment, the Hindu Nation has been gallantly fighting on to take on these despoilers. The Race Spirit has been awakening. -M. S. Gowalkar, RSS chief
Evan Perry
Thanks I'll read up on these sources.
>According to colonial sources, Thugs believed they had a positive role in saving human lives. Without the Thugs' sacred service, Kali might destroy all humankind:
>"God is all in all, for good and evil." >"Bhowanee is happy and more so in proportion to the blood that is shed."[16]
Edgy.
Daniel Peterson
Wasnt there some Gita in which Lord Shiva tells a prince who hesitatates to shed the blood of his enemies that he should kill without great remorse because those people would be reborn anyway?
Even if that might not be true, Hinduism has a fair share of violence, it wouldnt hhave survived other wise I guess.
Isaiah Jones
>Meanwhile Hinduism preaches non-violence If I remember correctly Himmler was a big fan of the Bhagavadgita and read it with his subordinates. In here you will find a solution to the problem of violence in hinduism.
Camden Martinez
It was Krishna, an avatara of Vishnu. And not because they will be reborn, but because it's the duty of the warrior caste to kill.
Liam Martinez
It is important to remember and distinguish Hinduism from the older more Vedic religion.
Jace Anderson
>the duty of the warriorcaste to kill Wait, so if the gods/brahma decides as what will you be born and the warrior caste is tasked to kill, is hinduism "Born to Kill-the religion?"
Anthony Collins
>Schopenhauerism Made up word. Schopenhauer was a Neo-Kantian. Use that instead you philosophically illiterate toad.
Ian Thompson
Not all Hinduism is vapid Hare Krishna or Shaivist shit, or modernist Neo-Vedanta.
Ryder Ross
Also, a reminder that Sri Aurobindo's followers got cucked by a Jewess into worshipping her as a golden idol. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirra_Alfassa
Ryan Cruz
>Hinduism preaches non-violence That's a massive oversimplification.
The whole idea that eastern religions are super egalitarian and pacifist is a hippie-era meme, not the reality of how these religions were really practiced through the ages.
And Hinduism as it is now is nothing like what Hinduism was prior to British rule of India. The Brits banned enforcement of the formal caste system, which had existed in India since the dawn of human civilization, and was arguably even more rigid than the kind of policies that fascists support. And prior to Gandhi, strict nonviolence was not a commonly held view among most Hindus.
Jacob Mitchell
desu Fascism I think is really an artistic movement more than anything, aesthetics taken to the logical conclusion and applied across the board it helps to understand it by looking at contemporary artistic movements associated with the Fascists like Futurism.
beyond that to understand the Fascists you have to read a lot of classical philosophy, Platos republic, the Iliad, as well as in the Bhagavad Gita and others.
there is an intense focus on great men, struggle being an important or even beneficial part of living, a love of life in general vs the denial of life and preaching of death that Christians (and socialists) practiced. it also valued Aristocracy and the will of man even over the Gods, rather than man being just some idle creature at the mercy of everything.
the basic theory was that fascist states would facilitate the creation of such "Overmen" free of slave mentalities and further prevent the coming of "the last man" which all signs at the time pointed to being the future (and we can see now they were right)
as for Hinduism, it values the warrior, the man who puts duty above all else and is willing to go to extreme lengths for his will to be done without getting caught up in moral troubles. as well its incredibly stratified, with dozens of castes and "ranks" for all members of society.
>To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium. Bhagavad Gita 4.8 >Think thou also of thy duty and do not waver. There is no greater good for a warrior than to fight in a righteous war.
Bhagavad Gita 2:31
Adam Ortiz
>strict nonviolence was not a commonly held view among most Hindus. it was among other Indian groups like Jain's. "Hinduism" is largely a modern amalgamation of dozens of philosophical schools.
saying strict non-violence isn't a thing in Hinduism is a lie, but so is saying its pacifist.
Gabriel Wright
Himmler wanted German society to both return to its Pagan roots, as well as mimic the structure of Hindu society.
Jordan Carter
Fascism is Aesthetic theory taken into the political realm.
it prides beauty and struggle and these themes play strongly through all fascist policies regardless of particular nations.
the idea of the "nation" is not nearly as important as the State being the organizational entity for directing struggle and promoting human personal advancement.
most fascist states didn't focus much on the racial aspects (a Libyan or Moroccan Muslim were accepted fine in Fascist Italy/Spain, ore so than today)
it was a call back to older Roman/Greek ideas that people like Nietzsche espoused as opposed to the slave mentality of the secular and christian societies.
though in focusing all these efforts and struggle on the notion of the state it fell into the trap of herd mentality and putting the spook of the State before one's own personal Will to power which ultimately killed all the Fascist nations. Fascism was more a sort of idealistic desperation than a proper political system. in purely functional terms it worked along similar lines that mixed economies work today, but that was secondary to the ideological impetus for the state.
Ryan Roberts
Related reading on this, its not on fascism exactly but the ideas are the same more on the aesthetics of violence, and taking art/performance to new heights through real world application, effectively blurring the line between "art" and reality, this relating to Kant's idea of the sublime/negative-sublime
Honestly fascism is fascinating since its arguably the most truly "modern" political ideology that exists, and the only novel one to come out of the last several centuries.
the fascist states of the 20th century were like viral carriers which spread this idea across the globe. you can see its presence in absolutely everything following the war.
Ayden Anderson
Following the war? How so? In that the post war arrangement from social democracy to the weird Keynesian pomo settlement between labor and capital we have now are pure reactions to "pure reactionaries"?
Landon Nguyen
Many of the democratic nations absorbed a lot of Fascist ideas and people, or expanded on ones that existed already. a lot of ideas even in the progressive left have to do with some sort of "spiritual karma" and hierarchy of guilt akin to fascist ideas (though flipped upside down to make them acceptable)
Jose King
Well, the fact that Mussolini and the futurists grew out from Hegel and Marx isn't a surprise. The fascists online reoriented the agent and benefactor of the state: the national proletariat, rather than the international one. I still don't see any continuation today. there is such a religious taboo placed upon suppressing the legacy of European fascism. Only Hungary and Latvia are rehabilitating their forelorn heroes and campaigns against the a Soviets.
Justin Long
I meant only not online. Fuck, man.
Colton Sullivan
read the article I posted, open fascism is taboo but its ideas have been adopted everywhere piecemeal Fascism is just Aesthetics brought into the political arena, and you can see this all over now. look how powerful the ideas of blood/spiritual purity are, or their reversal, the idea that the spirit is weak and needs an outside revival.
Thomas Gonzalez
>Edgy. War goddesses are many and plenty in india, blood sacrifices existed back in the day, but not anymore.
Brody Cruz
>caste system thats how...
Nathan Thomas
Well they do sacrifiece goats and cows in the countryside and sometimes some asshole kills a human too but the latter is exeedingly rare, often by amateurs and not learned priests and creates an uproar everytime.
Some kind of selfflaggelation also exists, which could be seen as a nonlethal bloodletting/sacrifiece.
Justin Baker
>The Brits banned enforcement of the formal caste system, which had existed in India since the dawn of human civilization, and was arguably even more rigid than the kind of policies that fascists support. >What is martial races theory? You are literally spouting ignorant bullshit that you imagined. Also Read The Making of the Raj: India Under the East India Company By Ian St. John Pic related is on page 103, additional context is provided in the rest of the page.
Jackson Fisher
>Well they do sacrifiece goats and cows in the countryside Sacrificing animals is not a hindu thing, it is more of a islamic thing. the Ismailis in india have an odd ritual during weddings where they sacrifice a bakri, a goat, and then wash the grooms leg with its blood like a bunch of savages. The closest hindus come to is the Chamundeshwari Homa where some prick or slice their fingers and mark their foreheads with the blood and drip the rest of it into the consecrated fire that the Brahmin brings forth of februation, purification through fire.
Aaron Evans
Full page in pic related for the idiot
Xavier Ross
5 star posts nigga. Trying to understand fascists or their postwar adherents through a purely rational lens is impossible. Hitler himself said "economy is of secondary concerns" - an inexcusable transgression of political narrative to our sensibilities.
To the fascist, aesthetic IS narrative.
Jackson Gomez
Dude, Ive seen enough vids of dotheads beheading flower adorned goats and sometimes even bovines that im pretty sure this is not an islamic thing. The ascetic stuff may not relie on those rites but folk hinduism has all the stereotypical cult stuff which fits into your 08/15 fantasy setting and plenty of blooshed.
Not saying its bad tho, im not a cultural relativist but sacrifiecing stuff struck me as archaic but not necessarily evil in comparison to the average western slaughterhouse.
Nolan Baker
There's a classic Mitchell & Webb skit about two SS officers slowly realizing the implications of wearing black uniforms with skulls on them. A lot about fascism screams "I painted flames on my car so it will go faster."
Indian tradition is a much more expansive venue for getting reacquainted with your pre Christian roots than any of the reconstructionist neo pagan movements.
Oliver Nguyen
Literally niggers worshiping a patron saint like Triads worshiping a patron deity or the mafia worshiping the virgin Mary or Mexicans la santa muerte.
John Thomas
>Dude, Ive seen enough vids of dotheads beheading flower adorned goats and sometimes even bovines that im pretty sure this is not an islamic thing. Link please. >The ascetic stuff may not relie on those rites but folk hinduism has all the stereotypical cult stuff which fits into your 08/15 fantasy setting and plenty of blooshed. I highly doubt your knowledge on that.
Caleb Green
Just google goat/animal sacrifiece+hinduism on liveleak or read about the gadhimai festival which was considered by thousands of devotees as a legit rite until it got so excessive that the state and animal rights activists put a stop to it.
Justin Diaz
>goat/animal sacrifiece+hinduism on liveleak >gadhimai Thats Nepalese yo, those people are backward as fuck as opposed to traditional Upanishadic Hinduism practiced in India but then again Hinduism isn't monolithic in thought so I don't have authority to state anything though it is against the principles that current Hinduism finds itself currently ascribing to.
Christian Myers
it is but the basic idea is that symbols DO have very real power to them, and this has only been confirmed with modern/post modern theorists and studies of symbology and meme theory.
the Fascists thought that by presenting the people with an ideal world they could create that world in reality. its very Platonic and again reminiscent of Plato's republic.
