Islamic Golden Ages

What caused it?
The strong focus on Scholarship/education and
bringing together of individuals of complex
backgrounds along the silk road and that of the
conquered Yoke.

This includes Nestorian Christians, Indians (Maths), Chinese (Engineering), Sassanids, Greeks and Romans.

The old centres/institutions of Education were still up and about.
Al-Azhar University
University of Al Karaouine
Library of Alexandria
House of Wisdom

How was it?
Pretty gud if you are not a slave or a woman

Why did it end?
Mongols came in and wrecked the place
See: Siege of Baghdad

The Crusades made sure the Muslims never recovered after that.

What are the differences between Islam preached today and Islam preached then?
People could believe whatever they liked
provided they did not infringe other's rights.

The Fatimids reserved separate pulpits for
different Islamic sects, and scholars expressed
their ideas in whatever manner they pleased.

>The Crusades made sure the Muslims never recovered after that.
The major crusading period (in the Holy Land at least) ended before the sack of Baghdad. So crusaders are not the "nail in the coffin" as you put it.

>Mongols came in and wrecked the place

While that's true, I think the Turks also deserve get a fair share of the blame too.

That was the Portuguese age of discovery imo
A region that for more than 4000 if not 10000 years was rich due to silk road trade declined due to Alberta Barbosa wanting new ways to get to Asian spices

>""""""""""""""""""""Islamic"""""""""""""""""""" Golden Ages

Most of the scholars were muslim whats your point?

*Conquered and converted by Muslim Arabs

The Seljuks started the destabilization (arguably the Buyids did but whatever) and the Mongols just wiped it out

>What caused it?

Islam ending pagan ideas and practices.

>How was it?

good at it's height, bad during it's civil wars and invasions.

>Why did end?

Same reason regions lose their dominance. Time.

>What are the differences between Islam preached today and Islam preached then?

You could get a Bachelors, Masters, than PhD in that subject.

The Crusades made sure the Muslims never recovered after that.

The Crusades were a minor blip in Islamic history. they were only a big deal to Europeans. They took over a small region that the Muslims took back. Then the Turks came and took even more.

Does it matter? They converted the unity of Islam made them prosper.

Historical revisionists are getting really petty these days.

So just about everything done by Northern Europeans is """Christian""" in your definition since they were conquered and converted in the Northern Crusades

>You could get a Bachelors, Masters, than PhD in that subject.
Underrated response

Arab fucking shits got some Greeks, Hellenized Egyptians, and Hellenized Persians to teach them not to be dumb ass fuck camel jockeys. Then they stole some ideas from Hindus and Chinks.

Just gonna invade you and teach you islam niggas.

I thought that it was really the Persian golden age and then the dirty arabs just took all of the credit.

Not really, tons of the discoveries occurred in Spain. Quite a few of those were made by Jews, though

Fuck off from my city you filthy desert barbarians

t. Byzantine emperor Michael III Amorian

On the ground of my learning of Maitreya Buddha and Messiah's teachings, (brahmanedu.org/english/)

I think Koran written by Nosana buddha(노사나불, 盧舍那佛) known as an angel Gabriel was handed down to Allah known as Twin Cheon-wang buddha I(쌍둥이 천왕불 1세, 雙生兒 天王佛 一世).

* A Few Samsara of Nosana buddha(노사나불, 盧舍那佛)
brahmanedu.org/english/materials/summary/51_3.html

Islamic extremists, evil forces, are trying to break down the true Muslims' societies maintaining morality and social justice on their own way and complying with Koran.

The Islamic extremists have been born with covering with Muslims' masks so they are not true Muslims.

>What caused it?
The Abbasids were smart rulers. They centered their empire in Baghdad, allowing economic, cultural, and scientific trade between the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.

>How was it?
Pretty dope, although obviously overrated by current Islam apologists.

>Why did end?
I don't know too much about it, although I know the Abbasids lost power to regional dynasties and were eventually blown out by the Mongols.

What are the differences between Islam preached today and Islam preached then?

pretty similar, although it was more of a elitist religion. Muslim rulers were never intent on converting heathens, only ruling over them. They even dissuaded conversion in some instances because they wanted dat sweet Jizya money. The almost totalitarian version of Islam preached in some parts of the middle east would be unheard of back then. Not because they weren't brutal, but because it just wasn't something they cared about.

Islamic world made its greatest progress when it was most secular.

it was in no way secular. The Caliph was literally the head of state and Islam.

>You got me at Jews and Christians but they were hardly tolerant towards any non-abrahamic faiths. They more or less pressured most of Iran to convert. Also Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were all destroyed by muslims and they were all forcibly converted.

They didn't destroy the Bamiyan Buddhas until recently

That's like claiming a monarchy can't be democratic. Even an absolute monarchy can be more democratic than another. Even a theocracy can be more secular than another, or do you think Iran and Saudi Arabia are EXACTLY on the same level? Stop being obtuse.

People Confuse Secular for "Tolerant of other religions" for some reason
Secular literally means non religious

The Saudi royal family are in theory a religious authority of sorts but drink alcohol and do all kinds of haram things in Marbella

we obviously have different definitions of secular.

>why did it end?
I dont have any pictures of smug mongols.

>What caused it?
I dont know maybe it was because they built a big fucking empire throughout just a couple of years

>Why did end?
Mongols

"Secular" in this context means "concerned with non-religious notions and rationales rather than religious ones" and the label is attributed based on the (lack of) influence religion has on policies and laws.

The early Ottoman Empire was quite tolerant of other religions in a way, but it was also concerned with religion to the point of instituting the confessionalist Millet system, and a theocracy by any definition once the Sultans became Caliphs. The later Ottoman Empire was reformed along modernist liberal lines, and though it was still a theocracy (still a Caliph etc) it was more secular than before. Ataturk kicked progressivism up another notch and Kemalist Turkey was even more secular and no longer a theocracy. Erdogan is guiding it back towards an Islamic identity so modern Turkey is less secular than it used to be, yet the political system isn't really any more theocratic than before.
So in the history of the theocratic Ottoman Empire it was more secular at times than at others, and in the history of democratic(?) Turkey it was more secular at times than at others.

If your definition of "secular" is "not a theocracy" then it's a rather useless concept.

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The problem with that is that the Ottoman Empire was not a theocracy, even once it briefly claimed to be a caliphate as the title had been stripped of almost all its religious authority and had been reduced to a rank of imperial prestige. It, like most European kingdoms, was just a kingdom with an official and closely patronized religion, with all religious matters in the hands of someone other than the sultan though he would interfere (usually without effect) now and then.

Plus, if the argument is that the caliphate of the IGA is MORE secular than either before or after that era, this is also incorrect as the caliphate up until the late Umayyads and early Abbasids, and after the 10th century, was far more secular both theoretically and practically.

>Hellenized Persians
Is this what Golden Dawnfags actually believe?

Wouldn't want to disturb your echo chamber, now would we?

Definitely not. Portuguese oversea expansion didnt take place before 1415. Only then Infante Pedro started settling harbors along the african coast, and the Éstado de India wasn't established until ~1505. It is at that point, and following a bloody naval war against the egyptian mamluks, that portuguese came to dominate the spice flow, prompting the fall of mamluks. But as we know, this has hardly anything to do with the islamic golden age, that had its end some 2-3 centuries prior.

>What caused it?

Aryo-persians.

[citation needed]

Leave Veeky Forums if that's the kinda bullshit you post

But then Veeky Forums would lose 90% of its populace. Although I agree with you we'd be better off without /pol/posting

and moors
and berber
and arab
and jew
and turks

all those people were united by islam back then, whats with ithat one iranian diaspora who claimed everything in the islamic golden ages was by them every single thread? is it those famous persian inferiority complex i keep hearing about

Unless you were People of the Book you got treated like horseshit

>say how it happened
>never happened
kek

it didn't

/pol/ needs not employ logic when they can sperg about "nu-males", "cucks", "betas", "da joos" and call that an argument.

Yeah the umayyads were pretty shitty Muslims, they didn't even like Muhammad initially.

>united by Islam

I think you mean destroyed by. The Bedouin migration into North Africa is the reason why it is such a parched shithole today.

The Bedouin invasions didn't begin until some four centuries after Islam arrived in North Africa. Before then the region was finally flourishing after a long period of chaos from the Roman civil wars, the Vandals, and the encroachment of Berber tribes on Byzantine territory.

Its easy to deal with racial tension when your empire is a gigantic feudal machine, with a few industrialized parts that keep it afloat.
The moment the empire falls apart during WW1, is also the moment all the fucked up tension inside said empire gets friction.

Which means there was a internal political land grab and segregation. And to this day, you see why Arabs can't really be a master race.
Arabs horde knowledge. Arabs has many of the same problems as Ivan: They simply can't work together, nor do they respect public property enough to not have permanent internal warfare.
All the reasons why Arabs can't really be great shows up in Turkey. A border nation that is in what... 3 permanent civil wars at the moment?
The problem they have with the Kurds is entirely self inflicted, purely from segregation.

>Turkey
>Arabs

Kind of proving his point. Your part of the same political entity for centuries, but then you can't get along with your neighbor who you label as entirely different from you.

Not him, but the turks are actually completely different. Like Germans and Russians. Or like Germans and Mongolians.

>Be Arab for 1500 years
>Ottoman empire falls
>Be a browner type of Arab living around Constantinople
>Call yourself Turk
>Landgrab and turn the area into Turkey
>Spend 100 years spiting Kurds for shits and giggles
>Be surprised when in permanent civil war
>Keep on doing it

Turks & Kurds is like Belgians & Frenchies.
They are 90% the same.
Just like Poles & Russians is 90% the same, despite hating each other for being slavs.

What intellectual contributions did Turks or Arabs do? None. Jews aren't Muslims either. The center of intellectual growth, progression, socio-economic elevation, and prosperity were happening in Moorish Spain and Persia with out contributions in Northern Africa.

Arabs and Turks? Jackshit.

Then after the Fall of the Ottoman empire, why did Arabia fracture in mini states that hated each other?

What are you even saying? The people who formed Ottoman Empire didn't come from Arabian peninsula at all. They went through Persia to Anatolia. A lot of them straight up came from Azerbaijan when they were going west from former Oghuz homelands.

What kind of retard you have to be to think that Ottoman Empire was somehow found by same people that were living in the caliphates? Also the problems in Turkey regarding the ethnic conflict started because a lot of Turkish elite was educated in France before WW1 and they got influenced by ideals of nationalism. They took it too far and started genociding Armenians and ethnically cleansing Greeks to start a nation state for Turks. They tolerated Kurds because there weren't much of them and they lived isolated in Southeastern border It was largely after 1980s coup, which happened with US supporting nationalist Turkish Army against communists when nationalistic army started trying to culturally assimilate Kurds, banned their language and forced them to calling themselves Turks, the state started referring to them as Mountain Turks.

Honestly instead of deriving your knowledge from various memes you could spend 5 minutes reading an article on why the ethnic conflict started betwene Turks and Kurds.

Caliphates weren't controlled by nationalists armies or built on idea of nation state. They aren't similar concepts at all, it's like comparing Roman citizenship status with later French one.

>What intellectual contributions did Turks or Arabs do? None.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars

rustam i know the arabs cucked your country but please keep your butthurt out of the history board

The majority of the Islamic Golden Age came from Persians in Khorasan and Transoxiana areas (basically Eastern Greater Iran), what is now known as Central Asia. Avicenna, Al-Khwārizmī, Rhazes, Al-Biruni, Omar Khayyam, and etc. were all Persians.

There were good Arab and Turkish scientists, sure, but the Persian scientists far outnumbers them. Also, if anything, the Arabs were influenced by the Persians to stop being sand niggers for only temporary time:

As Ibn Khaldun suggests, it is a remarkable fact that with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars…in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs:

>"Thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent…they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar…great jurists were Persians… only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"…The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them…as was the case with all crafts…This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana (modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture.

Note, an Arab actually said this? Now stfu.

>said this?
Meant to put exclamation point! Even your best Arab historian admitted that the majority of the Islamic Golden Age came from Persians of Khorasan and Transoxiana area. It's an empirical fact.

What, you think they call them hindu-arabic numerals, algebra, and algorithm because the Catholic church were secretly tsundere for the Persians?

I don't think anyone denies the vast contribution of Persians to science and their quality of scholarship in Islamic world. You should speak against the ignorance in western education (they thought nothing to us about Persians) rather than Arabs.

I am not sure what sort of memes you have been taught at school. The simple matter is, during the 1300s something called The Ottoman Empire expanded, and it expanded and declined in periods.
By 1680, they have taken control of all land inbetween the seas in the area, and isn't touching the rest of the arabic moon for no reason.
>Be Arab
>Be Arab for 500 years
>Somehow Arab revolt
>Suddenly try to not be Arab anymore, and try to kill your former Arab friends.
Also bless Lawrence of Arabia.

I still find it amusing that losing WW1 turned Arab countries into a bunch of neighbor enemies, and was exactly what Hitler saw as the threat of losing WW2.

>Arabs

No Abdullah, post real Arabs, not crypto-Assyrian "Arabs".

Give me one example of an Arab scientist from the peninsula.

It's not our fault your subhuman ancestors were too busy fucking goats, eating lizards and drinking camel piss to bother building any sort of civilization or taking the time to make any sort of advances in science or philosophy.

Not all Arabs revolted and there was a struggle for power amongst different Arabic factions during decline of Ottomans, after they collapsed the Arabs that helped British were not given any of the land they were promised and placed in Jordan.

>Suddenly try to not be Arab anymore, and try to kill your former Arab friends

What do you mean by this? Who in Arabian world claims to be not an Arab?

>crypto-Assyrian "Arabs".
Are you claiming all those people secretly identified as Assyrian, hence crypto, or that they identified as Arab, but were actually Assyrians, in the middle ages?

Turks/Kurds/Iraks/Iran/etc claim to not be Arabs.
While they are all just Arabs.
Yemen and Saudia Arabia got some claim to not be, but they are Muslims, so its a lot of all the same.

>turks are arabs

>Even convert to Islam
>Be arab for 900 years
>Then claim to not be Arab

>Turks and Iranians are Arabs
>Saudis and Yemenis are not Arabs

Is this bait? Arabs originated from Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

>Islam makes you into an Arab

I guess Kazakhs, Bosnians, and Malaysians are Arabs too then.

>Be Arab for 900 years

What do you mean?

Are you aware what we call "Turks" today have never been Arabs? They are various groups from Anatolia and Balkans like Greco-Anatolians, Armenians, Greeks and Slavs that converted to Islam and adopted an Ottoman identity? Later when WW1 happened these same converts instead adopted a Turkish identity and built a national Turkish state.

Ottomans not only didn't think they were "Arabs" they also didn't call what we would today call Arabs. They referred to people from Levant as Palestinians, Syrians as Syrians. The only people they called "Arab" was nomadic tribes of Arabian peninsula as a class term. Actual Turks from east which founded Ottomans and settled in Anatolia came directly from East from Iran and never set food in Arabia after Seljuks defeated Byzantines at Manzikert. If you went back in time and asked a Muslim from Constantinople what he was, he would say he is a Muslim. If you asked a Christian what he was, he might say a Christian Greek or Christian Armenian. If you asked an Arab from Palestine what he was, he would say he was Palestinian.

Towards the end of Ottoman empire after rise of nationalism Muslims could refer to themselves as Ottomans and maybe after 1900s they would strictly refer to themselves as Turks, Arabs etc.

>Kazakhs
Turk derivative Arabs
>Malaysians
Only 60% of are Muslims. The rest is into Asian religions.
>Bosnians
Slavic muslim rape babies

>people will fall for this bait

>Turk derivative Arabs

Holy shit you've never seen a Kazakh in your life, have you.

No, they don't look like fucking Borat.

>Arabs produced less intellectuals in 500 years then Iranians did in a mere 200 years
Top kek.

The Turkish people are mostly of Arab, Hellenic and Yugoslavic Stock. They just happen to speak a Turkic Language. If you think the people are themselves Turkic, you've never seen a Turkic person.

>Turks are not Turkics therefore they are Arabs
>Turkic is a genetic grouping not a linguistic one

There are actual ethnic Turkmens in Iran who still look pretty Mongoloid with slanted eyes, shallow cheeks, and deeper tanned complexions then "Turks" of Turkey who are mainly assimilated genetically speaking with pre-Indo-European Anatolian people, Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, and other Semitics.

>Persians are not really Arabs
>Hence they are superior with superior scholars
>Persian wages civil war in Arabic fashion in 2016

Wewuz science, algebra, astrology and shit,
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there was never such thing
Islam was always shit
the "Golden Age" was simply fueled by pillaging and forced conversions of loot and intellectuals of the Byzantine and Persian empires
in the Midle Ages Europe created more Universities than all of the Islamic world to this day

>Islamic
>Golden
>Age

>Hellenic and Yugoslavic Stock

WE WUZ ANATOLIAN AND SHIIEET

As a muslim I think i can give pretty accurate answers,
>What caused it?
Because Islam in general is good and supports science and progress
>How was it?
People kept inventing shit
>Why did end?
Mysticism/tasavvuf and cults.At about 12th century, this stupid mystic cults started gaining power and tought people to be passive.And only devote themselves to Allah.In Kur'an you have to work for afterlife without breaking your bonds with this world.But this stupid cults said "this world is meaningless just pray pray pray...." and people stopped inventing shit or doing anything useful at all.They tought this was real Islam and not just dickheads who was controlling the masses to gain power.
Worst thing is, this shit still keeps going.Majority of Muslim countries still takes them as real Islam.Noone speaks about it but i think tasavvufi/mystic cults caused the biggest damage to Islam than any other.

>Because Islam in general is good and supports science and progress

It was not like they didn't try. They did. Multiple times under multiple different muslim rulers.

Bamiyan is only one of the few that was still remaining at the time of the destruction by Taliban. Many others are lost to history.

>Be Turk
>Do something
>Ruin everything
Sounds about right