Set out to destroy inequity and oppression by creating a classless system

It would work if we killed everyone who disagreed (i.e. reactionaries)

>Capitalists subvert it every time.

I guess capitalism truly is superior then :^)

>the only way to create a non-oppressive regime is to oppress everyone who dissents from it

This is some Nth level Robespierre tier revolutionary thinking friend.

Disliking Marxism and acting like a turbo-autist on an imageboard are two different things. The fact that you can't distinguish between the two is a symptom of autism.

>anyone who disagrees with one of the deadliest ideologies in human history is /pol/

That's actually because violence is the most effective way to cull enemies. It's easier to hang a class enemy than to spend 1+ years trying to educate them on why they're cucks. Rope is also cheap and reusable.

>marxist
>calling someone autistic
Howling with laughter tbqh

Not a Marxist, but nice try. You could always try to include an argument next time, if it isn't too hard for you.

If you aren't a marxist then why are you so valiantly defending them?

See, it's shit like this that led me to the theory that most marxists are just bullied children. Very sad!

edgy

If you think calling idiots out is "valiant"...
I do it because I hate your kind more than I dislike marxists. Your kind enforces and embodies the capitalist status quo, and it is something to be attacked and destroyed. That and your kind uses fallacious logic and poor argumentative skills to reinforce the status quo. Instead of having a normal debate between two sides, you resort to the lowest forms of bullshit to try to stack the deck in your favour from the very beginning, and that's why it will be attacked every time. Learn to argue like a human being and not a turbo autist and perhaps some day someone will take your points of view seriously. But even then they won't, because your points of view are more than likely to be retarded, and so you will get attacked anyway. You're fighting a losing battle and that's why you resort to memes and dirty tricks. You will never win, but you'll piss off someone here and there, and that's enough for you to go out if your way to act like the idiots that dwell in /pol/. Someday when you turn 20 and your frontal lobe develops completely, your kind will realize how stupid it is. Until then, bring on the memes, cuck.

Because of vanguardism

ie Lenin's one weird trick to overthrow the bourgeoisie (capitalists hate him!)

>I do it because I hate your kind more than I dislike marxists
You hate shitposters more than the people that would put you to death? Really makes you think...
> Your kind enforces and embodies the capitalist status quo, and it is something to be attacked and destroyed
More whining. It was capitalism that gave you the machine you use to post your bullshit right now
>you're fighting a losing battle and that's why you resort to memes and dirty tricks
Top fucking kek, says a guy that's defending an ideology that's been thrown into the trash bin of history

It's almost as if you don't know you're a meme.

>can't argue
>y-you're a meme
Anything else to add?

you're a meme

I'm living perfectly fine under capitalism. Why would i want to follow some delusional college marxist for the very slim chance that his utopia will become a reality and make my life better? The risk is not worth the reward.

Also i have not used a single meme while talking to you.

>eradicating income inequality is a good thing

kill yourself

Socialism/communism is for weak betas, capitalism and libertarianism is the alpha choice.

this

>equates stalinism with Marxism
>muh USSR
>evil marxists gonna kill you and take your freedumbs
Nah I'm good, I don't discuss politics with people who've proven they know very little about the topic.

This entire post is basically a meme dude lmao

>equates stalinism with Marxism
Which shows what happens when Marxism is taken the wrong way; which according to your people happens every time
>muh USSR

And muh Cambodia, muh PRC, muh North Korea, muh Cuba and etc.

>evil marxists gonna kill you and take your freedumbs
Tell me, how are you going to redistribute the wealth without force?

Every time "muh perfect communism" has tried to be implemented it failed epically and resulted in millions of deaths.

You are the product of a propaganda system. But it's impossible to seriously communicate with you because you don't know how badly you've been propagandized. If you are sincerely curious about the things you are posting you will never get any intelligent answers going the way you are going. You're simply too close minded and assure of your own ignorance to be reasoned with and will take any aversion to meet with your propaganda talking points as "proof" of their validity. If you actually want to understand you'll have to seek out information on your own when you're feeling less defensive and THINK CRITICALLY no matter how much it hurts.

It's like trying to debate the moral validity of the Kim dynasty in NK with a North Korean. You won't ever consider the bad scary possibilities so in truth you've given up on thinking before you even started.

>spend 1+ years trying to educate them on why they're cucks
I'm sitting here laughing like an asthmatic seal imagining someone going to some kind of 1984 style rehabilitation camp and being forced to admit being into cuckoldry

>/pol/ is the only group that hates commies

You managed to publish a short story here without actually saying anything.

You didn't even try to answer his point, just went on an irrelevant tangent about MUH PROPAGANDA (quite ironic, in fact) and ad hommed like an absolute madman

>How do Communists take themselves seriously?
delusion and drugs.

>>evil marxists gonna kill you and take your freedumbs
>Tell me, how are you going to redistribute the wealth without force?
/thread

Lol I'm fucking centrist not some Pollard and communism is retarded labor theory of value the founding theory of the whole fucking system is incorrect and Marx was also wrong about it being necessary to exploit the workers

How so? I read his post and thought it was fine.

So... you're a Marxist who is but they pretending he isn't one

>You didn't even try to answer his point
I thought about trying, but then I realized any point that needed to be made that is necessary to untangle flawed assumptions would be met with defensive denials and progress would never happen. Communication is a two way street.

Here, I'll give you a free bit of critical thinking necessary to take on a sentence like that as a starter pack: define "Communism" and how that definition would have been historically "implemented".

If you wanted a debate about fluid dynamics you would need a rigorous definition of velocity or pressure, right? Go ahead and, without aid of wikipedia or a dictionary, define "Communism" to that standard off the top of your head. Same challenge to anyone that read that sentence and agreed with it. Go ahead and try.

I guarantee you the person that wrote that sentence had no strongly defined concept of "Communism" in his head. He might think he does, but if he tries to define it without assistance he will find that he fails. You can fake confidence but you can't fake knowledge.

You wouldn't go around making strong statements about fluid dynamics if you didn't understand even the core definitions necessary to understand the field. But you will with radical politics. The reason is social authority doesn't care about your opinions on hard science. But with things like communism you need to come to a "safe" and "correct" conclusion regardless of whether you understand or agree with the conclusion. If you can't understand fully your own arguing points then you did not come to your own conclusion yourself. You literally couldn't have. Someone did for you whether you realize it or not and you parroted this given answer. This is propaganda.

This is the kinda shit people who believe 9/11 was inside job claim. Got any proof to back up your assertions fampai

>Communism
State ownership of property and/or no self ownership.
That makes it so the "reeee comusism can't have a state" meme can be brushed away as an ancap society that has members who choose to not use their rights because of their cult. It also maintains the negligible difference between socialism and communism.

>You can fake confidence but you can't fake knowledge.
Commies manage to do so pretty well.

You did some pretty good memes there lad, have a chair fetishist as a reward.

>it's wrong
>just trust me, it is

I pick up two rocks at random and whack them with a hammer. One proves to be a geode. Is it worth more than the other?

>literally expects man to abandon his most primal instincts
>nah brah it's totally viable

Maybe, did the other also prove to be a geode?

...

>gets BTFO
>resorts to memes
like clockwork

By all means, please go ahead and explain to me how LToV is incorrect. The onus is on you if you're the one saying it's incorrect.

>inb4 muh hooman natoor

Can you please type in a way that someone who isn't going for a jobless degree can understand?
(not user you are replying to)

LToV is in theory correct, but I was talking about
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
Man will always, always want the easy way out. No matter how many gulags you put him into

>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
This literally implies if you work harder, you can expect compensation.

A current example of this would be universal basic income. Sure you can get the basics, but no one would punish you for doing more.

>Sure you can get the basics
Gold and jewels are a human right.

Answer the geode question bud. Is a geode worth the same as any other rock, or does non-labor value enter the picture?

But it naively assumes that there is going to be a balance between the total needs of people and its total output, when you've got people that just don't work (elderly, children, crippled, retarded) and that need MORE than your average working man. Even if you meet these needs, there's going to be a shit ton of resentment

Lmao. Are you trying to say resources have value?

Now you're the one assuming. I honestly don't think we can continue to live the way we do in the US if we care about the future of the planet and those who inherit it after us.
>there's going to be a shit ton of resentment
Not necessarily. I'd be glad feeding the elderly as long as I knew I'd be fed when I was old. Wouldn't you?

...oil doesn't have value?
>I honestly don't think we can continue to live the way we do in the US if we care about the future of the planet and those who inherit it after us.
Why not? I always find such doomsayers ridiculous? We've survived worse
> I'd be glad feeding the elderly as long as I knew I'd be fed when I was old. Wouldn't you?
And the retarded and crippled? People like the Hartley Hooligans? Fatties and smokers, chronic alcoholics and drug abusers? Should we shell out because either they or their parents were selfish?

And that's assuming the next generation will also be communist, and won't go ancap or something and leave you out to hang

Holy shit you are not even worth the effort. All of your reasoning is childish.

Of course oil has value, and someone has to labor in order to get to it.

Fuck off if you don't realize we're destroying the planet.

Ever heard of a sin tax?

And to show you're completely ignorant: LToV =/= communism

>HOW IS LToV INCORRECT IDIOT?
>gets told
>LToV ISN'T COMMUNISM RETARD
Y I K E S

But Robespierre did nothing wrong

>All of your reasoning is childish.
Muh chair!!! I feel bad because I don't feel special anymore in a more efficient and productive world. Kill everyone and everything because I said so.

>Fuck off if you don't realize we're destroying the planet.
We're not, at worst we are consuming energy at an unsustainable rate and mildly decreasing biodiversity.
The world doesn't need easily accessible energy stores to be functional or 'alive'.

>Ever heard of a sin tax?
But how can you tax if people have no property? Force them to work more?
What are you going to do if they don't submit? Kill them.....

>Of course oil has value, and someone has to labor in order to get to it.

Yet you literally just said it didn't. Did you have a seizure or something?

>Fuck off if you don't realize we're destroying the planet.

Blame the chinks. not us

>Ever heard of a sin tax?

Which, seeing as many people are smokers, drinkers or fat, will get shot down almost immediately

Thank you for proving you're a god damn retard.

>it is also used in the theories of earlier liberal economists such as Adam Smith

>others used it before him
>means it can't be communist
DURR HURR DURR HURR DURR

>2016
>still following pre-20th century ideologies

No, I was simply asking a question because you were being a complete autist.

Alright then...

>More than one-third (35.7 percent) of adults are considered to be obese.

God damn you people are fucking worthless for an actual conversation. Glad no one has even addressed LToV yet...

Ahaha sorry to ass blast you, friend. LToV is an economic argument.

I guess I'm done here if no one is even addressing LToV

>LToV
Doctors are not ditch diggers
Value is subjective
Effort/time doesn't mean jack shit, results do.
I don't give a shit if you spent 100 manhours on X, I am offering you [amount] because I am willing to spend [amount].
etc

Did I fuck up your shit yet f@m?

>This literally implies if you work harder, you can expect compensation.
>implies
>expect
lmao, enjoy the gulag you fucking class traitor

Is backpedalling all marxists can do
>obviously imply that resources have no value
>gets BTFO
>IT WAS JUST A QUESTION

>God damn you people are fucking worthless for an actual conversation
A third. Add smokers, drinkers and just generally fat people to that, and you've got the most powerful voting bloc in history
>Glad no one has even addressed LToV yet

This guy already did, you're just avoiding

All in all:
B T F O
T
F
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>Doctors are not ditch diggers
Presumptive objective statement

>Value is subjective
Then subjectivist statement

Ironically in world where value was purely subjective like you say doctors could very well be totally and absolutely as valuable as ditch diggers, no matter how much work goes into being a doctor in comparison to other ditch digging occupations.

>Ironically in world where value was purely subjective like you say doctors could very well be totally and absolutely as valuable as ditch diggers, no matter how much work goes into being a doctor in comparison to other ditch digging occupations.
Not really, anyone can use a shovel if they aren't a fucking cripple.

>value is subjective is a subjective statement
No retard, shit like the Indians considering beads as valuable and gold as not proves you wrong.

Holy shit do you actually think this is an original idea?

What this gets down to is the capital class. How would any of us be worse off If our jobs were democratic? Would we have shipped our middle class jobs overseas in lieu of low paying service jobs if we had the choice?

>Would we have shipped our middle class jobs overseas in lieu of low paying service jobs if we had the choice?
of course, how will your comrades in developing countries progress to communism if you don't help them reach capitalism?

>What this gets down to is the capital class
They earned it you commie faggot. If you had any ambition at all and didn't wan't to tom sawyer yourself there, you could be there too.

>Holy shit do you actually think this is an original idea?
No. That's why I call you a commie faggot.

>How would any of us be worse off If our jobs were democratic?
Democracies are trash compared to republics and I don't like my ability to efficiently create and earn value be up to the whims of people like you.

>Would we have shipped our middle class jobs overseas in lieu of low paying service jobs if we had the choice?
Yes. It's literally more efficient. Everyone is better off.

>Yes. It's literally more efficient. Everyone is better off.
It looks like I misread. My bad.

No low paying jobs are low paying because anyone can do them. Letting third world shits do them for less money lets us do more productive work.

>They earned it
lmao, no one can actually believe this. Liliane Bettencourt and the Walton kids sure earned it :^)

>Everyone is better off.
Destroying the middle class is better for everyone, you heard it hear first folks.

I'm done even entertaining you any further.

We've had increased productivity since the 70s but stagnant wages. Fuck off moron.

>Liliane Bettencourt and the Walton kids sure earned it :^)
I buy a hamburger and give money for it. I then give you the hamburger.
Was the humburger earned? Yes it was...
Did you earn the hamburger? Maybe, but it doesn't matter.

You either believe the state is ultimate and people have no ownership of themselves. property, or their labor, or you believe in freedom.

tl;dr fuck off commie

>Destroying the middle class is better for everyone, you heard it hear first folks.
Or you know you could reference the part where I corrected myself... But that would be a bit too honest, huh?

>We've had increased productivity since the 70s but stagnant wages.
Want to know a secret? If productivity goes up and we are more efficient, you get more goods for the same amount of money.
Blame the federal reserve for fucking it up.

But fuck it, let's keep having the government fuck with the economy until we have an unsustainable death spiral into zimbabwe levels of inflation.
You're probably right, it's not like that could be a bad thing...

>this thread is posted
>roll eyes
>leave for hours
>top thread

Good job guys, anti-communist shitposting has now supplanted christposting as the biggest cancer on Veeky Forums.

If the commies actually learnt their lesson it would stop

>Good job guys, anti-communist shitposting has now supplanted christposting as the biggest cancer on Veeky Forums.
>christposting as the biggest cancer on Veeky Forums.
I thought it was marxism.

>I buy a hamburger and give money for it. I then give you the hamburger.
>Was the humburger earned? Yes it was...
>Did you earn the hamburger? Maybe, but it doesn't matter.

OP here

Most of the bumps ITT are coming from butthurt commies getting BTFO as one would expect. This is what keeps most communism/capitalism threads going.

t. butthurt commie

>gets BTFO
>muh autism
The founder earned all that money, it's his decision what he wants to do with it

Ebin guys, this troll is highly successful

Disagreeing with communism isn't trolling.

It pretty much is desu senpai

Why should I listen to some 19th century kike who never had the balls to enslave anyone?

epic meme