/bbg/ ─ Bloodborne General

King_Martha
King_Martha

The previous thread and the current are one: veekyforums.com/thread/163064090/video-games

A google doc with basic information. If you're new to Bloodborne and /bbg/ READ THIS FIRST BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS
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Patch 1.09 Info
jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html

Accessing the DLC
bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
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Co-Op & PvP
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Resources Pastebin - Planners, Calculators, Spreadsheets, Stats Info, Where to go next in BB, Guide Scans & Wikis
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Beasthood & Claws Info
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Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101 & other Misc. Info
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Bloodborne Damage Calculations and Formulas
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mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/20797
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youtube.com/watch?v=tXwxAgA7tak
youtu.be/0TJrw5gwx-o
veekyforums.com/thread/163236515/video-games
youtube.com/watch?v=RImq2pYNoA0
youtu.be/30H7MCwTx5c
bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/10/individual-blood-gems.html
youtube.com/watch?v=LKhx6d67FXU
mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/20815
veekyforums.com/thread/163322039/video-games

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

PURGE FILTH

StonedTime
StonedTime

W H E E L

Booteefool
Booteefool

2nd layer: a whole lot of anti-personnel traps
got a deep sea rune from the bonus chest

MPmaster
MPmaster

THIS IS AN EXECUTIONER THREAD

NO VILEBLOODS ALLOWED

Spamalot
Spamalot

Ol' Ben goes where he pleases.

girlDog
girlDog

Is the beast cutter or whirligig good for an arc build? Thinking of going 70 arc and meeting the minimum reqs

King_Martha
King_Martha

Whirligig is great with full fire setup, Cutter is ok.

askme
askme

threaded cane for pvp

is it viable? My skill build is starting to get a move on, it'll definitely be ready for the next FC (or the one in two weeks.) I don't want to be like every other shitter using the blades of mercy or rakuyo as I don't really like them as weapons. Threaded cane in pve is a lot of fun, and I'd imagine the whip mode would catch a lot of people off guard seeing as the threaded cane hunter always gives me a hard time. Just something about the whip form is hard to track when it's coming at you. Despite this I don't think I've ever seen anyone in a FC using it. Thoughts?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

oh FUCK he sniped us with that cannon
reringing

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/20797

here's what I'd be going for by SL98 btw. 15 arc for old hunter bone / roar spam, 27.2% physical gems on both cane and pick.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Tips for fighting Ludwig with only ten vit and a +5 Saw Spear? I'm out of Beast Blood Pellets and his horsey panic move kills me instantly.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The real question is why only 10 vit and +5 spear on ludwig.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Because I have a habit of upgrading my damage stats before touching vit and this build was going to use the Moonlight Sword.

Bidwell
Bidwell

How dead is he when kills you? If you can, dump your insight as low as you feel comfortable for more beasthood buildup. Saw spear is kind of shit for building beasthood tho desu. His second phase is easier than his first, his capacity to one shot you goes through the roof though.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Like I said, I'm out of Beast Blood Pellets. I'd spend insight on them if I could, but they aren't for sale.

Saw Spear works fine for wracking up beasthood, the trick attacks give you a ton.

I've only gotten him to phase two once, and he killed me in one hit about two seconds afterward.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Stay in the middle of the room, give him a wide berth. Consider using plank shield (lel (using a shield (scrub)))

VILEBLOOD WHEEL?

VILEBLOOD DEAL

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

What is the best chance I have in the 70 range to one shot people?

Cannon with high blt + bone marrow ash direct shots?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Where'd you get that look, friend

WebTool
WebTool

Ah shit
Ringing

hairygrape
hairygrape

oh fuck my bad

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

It's funnier with sound

WebTool
WebTool

thanks a lot segalt, that was fun

hairygrape
hairygrape

anyone can help with maria?

JunkTop
JunkTop

I'll try.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Thanks for having me. Had an absolute blast

StonedTime
StonedTime

What's your password, by the way?

iluvmen
iluvmen

thx
bbg

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Every weapon is viable, and the Threaded Cane is a nice weapon for PvP. Start with Cruel Fate so you have 5 Blt instead of 7, there's no reason to ever start as Professional. Blade of Mercy isn't a shitter weapon like Rakuyo unless you dash-r1 spam, which isn't too hard to handle. Not as bad as Wheel dash-r1 spam. 10 Blt for Reiter is good too, I'd take some points outta End or Vit to use it if ya want.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Do I have to "die" to the lesser amygdala every time I want to access the DLC?

RavySnake
RavySnake

no theres a gravestone next to the insight merchant

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Thanks, I've been doing it the way I mentioned for 9 times now.

Supergrass
Supergrass

post it on >>wsg

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

user you poor sod. Open your eyes.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Bros, I need help and suck at this game. I can get Rom down to like 30% and then he rapes me.

Pass is rg655m. Any help is much appreciated.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Which Rom?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Vacuous Spider.

happy_sad
happy_sad

jej

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I meant story rom or chalice rom, but I'm assuming story rom since you seem to be new. On my way.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Yo, I've bought a PS4 and Bloodborne not even a week ago without PS+, If I activate those 2 free days of PS+ will anyone help with Ludwig? I'm LVL.90 on NG.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Thanks user.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Lordy lord just summon Valtr. You're at a perfectly fine level to be doing Ludwig, anyways.
Or, get a serrated weapon (tricked Whirligig, Saw Spear, untricked Cleaver etc.), put some Fire Paper on, and pop a Beast Blood Pellet.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Sure thing mang, you know how multiplayer works in BB?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Thanks user. You messed that spider up real good.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I'm suppoused to use the bell?
I've used over 217 Blood Vials.

cum2soon
cum2soon

You're not going to survive Orphan.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I would love to enlist the help of two strapping lads to venture into the well and retrieve the Rakuyo. Anyone interested? I'm gonna clear the whole level, bit you can blank out after we get the Rakuyo if you want. Ringing at the first lamp. Pass:

bbg

w8t4u
w8t4u

Probably not.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Set connection to world wide
Set up a password, any will do. Tell the threat what the password is.
Tell where you are ringing from ( the lamp or near the boss fog )
omw

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Which Bell?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I'm suppoused to use the bell?

Here's what you do:
options button
system
network
matching regions - worldwide
password - anything you want

Once you've set a password, post it here for me and ring your Beckoning Bell inside the Nightmare Church or a Ludwig's fog, I'll use the same pass, we'l; get connected in a minutr

TreeEater
TreeEater

NVM, password is bbg I'm in front of the fog.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Beckoning bell

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I am.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Damn I hope you got the last one, wasn't expecting the grab attack to come out that quickly or do so much damage

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Ringing!

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

That grab is nasty. Got em! Thanks for the help! Gonna do the rest of the level if you're bored.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Sure I'll hop in after I'm done helping with ludwig

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Perfect, thanks. I'll probably end up using that build except with 10 in str/blt so I can use the church pick and reiter to mix things up occasionally, seeing as I can do that and still be able to have 50 vit / 50 skl at bl98.

It's pretty fun so far, I've never really used the cane extensively (even on my pure arc build I found another weapon to substitute it) and it's a lot more versatile than I remember it being. Currently have it +9 and I'm in the yahurgal village. Probably going to make it through to nightmare of mensis tomorrow to grab the rock/string, grab the loran/isz chalice, and then I should have everything to rush through the CDs in another day or two.

You guys were right, it's a lot faster your third or fourth time through the game. I kind of expected it to be more of a slog but I'm more or less just running past all the levels just to fight the boss and progress to the next one.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Thanks, I was having a real hard time with him. Are any of you up for Abhorrrent Beast in Loran L3?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

yeah
pw?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

bbg, I'll be there in a few mins.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I'll come along too, I hate that fuck

FastChef
FastChef

Alright, ringing.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Got pushed off the edge
Have no clue why I didn't see that coming

girlDog
girlDog

I forgot to ring the bell, kek

WebTool
WebTool

Italian all good. I got zapped and one shotted. Ringing again, but no pressure. I know this area is tedious.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I'm coming in via SRRC, so it may take a minute, the other user might be, too, so don't fret if it takes a few minutes linger, SRRC is notorious for it

Soft_member
Soft_member

Don't worry

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

switching characters. getting bored of my arc character

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Thanks, he was another one that I was stuck on.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Whirlgsaw
I am pretty sure this weapon is cheating when it come to PvE

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

So is this game pretty much Demon Souls for goth kids?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Yeah, we all like Nine Inch Nails (the band), and the colour purple (cool kind not the gay kind)

JunkTop
JunkTop

Demon's Souls is for goth kids too.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I'll be doing Defiled Pthumeru, if anyone is up let me know, I'm the same user from Ludwig and Abhorrent Beast.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I am getting severe input lag

Firespawn
Firespawn

okay ringing again

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Ringing.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

One shot by OoK
What.
That was weird, that attack shouldn't be doing that much damage

eGremlin
eGremlin

NG+5
Ludwig
Stake Driver +10
Fire Paper

Fuck that was the easiest phase 2 ever. Literally just stood in front of him spamming tricked R1s. Interrupted both the radial AOE and the big overhead fuck you. Didn't even need to visceral and killed him in one stamina bar.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I'm on the 2nd lamp.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I need some tips for OoK
I'm alright with his first phase but I just get rekt halfway through the second. I'm using a +10 Logarius' wheel with 25str/50arc

Emberfire
Emberfire

LMAO, what the actual fuck?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Glad to help!

Oh it's absolutely cheating, yeah

RumChicken
RumChicken

So I should go back to using Ludwig's holy blade?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Damn, I got YEEAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOW'd toward the end.

Ringing for OOK at the fog for anyone interested. Pass:

bbg

Supergrass
Supergrass

Samefag from going through the level earlier, omw

w8t4u
w8t4u

Sorry, I'm not helping much, I'm not that good, and thanks. I'll be ringing again in a few mins.

girlDog
girlDog

fog?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Well damn. Why do I suck so much more in MP than soloing.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Thanks, guys!

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I've spent almost two hours trying to kill hotdog for that early 10% fire gem in my arcane build. I have no more vials and just redoing the battle until hopefully I get it once. Ringing if anyone wants to help. Pass is bbg.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How do I make the Kos Parasite good? I'm a level 79 with 26 Arcane, and it's doing paltry damage.

Playboyize
Playboyize

What level? Just started a new character on Sunday and I'm around BL48
You need more arcane. 26 is pitiful. Aim for 50, and then look for suitable arc gems, like a 27.2%, a 23.1%, and a cold abyssal.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Which chalice/layer is that? I've for them all opened but can't remember specific boss locations.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Whirli is maximum fun just wrecking fools, Ludwig's has a reputation for being a boring weapon, but if you like it, go for it

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

aim for 50
where the bell am I going to get all those echoes

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Level 23 the very first chalice you get from bsb.

I'm only having trouble because I dumped all my levels into arcane and I have only base vitality.

Supergrass
Supergrass

I have been using Ludwig's weapon since I got it. Kirkhammer before. What is a fun weapon to use for a strength build

MPmaster
MPmaster

Just run through some chalice dungeons. Ailing Loran Layer 1 is a good starting location for early echo farming. But, FRCs will have you drowning in blood echoes--more than you'll ever need.
Alright, I'll stop by, user.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Switching then heading there.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Ringing at the fog or the lamp?

farquit
farquit

I'm ringing at Defiled Pthumeru L2 Lamp.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Anyone need help?

cum2soon
cum2soon

Thanks senpai, now I can continue my arcane playthrough.

tfw all this work and it's not even 10%

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

having trouble with hotdog

Firespawn
Firespawn

Kirk, Cuttah, Amy Arm, Boomhammer, Stake, HMS, Wheel, Beast Claw, Axe, Saws. If you got 25 Skill you can use Skill/Quality weapons with a Heavy Abyssal like Burial Blade, Church Pick and Saif effectively.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Still on my first playthrough so I don't have access to all the weapons you mentioned. I do want to try the Burial Blade tho

viagrandad
viagrandad

If you mean the Holy Moonlight Sword, that's a Strength/Arcane weapon. Untricked is strength, tricked is arc. For a strength build, you'd be using the untricked form, which is perfectly good and has a good charged R2, but it sucks not being able to use half a weapon.

If you meant Ludwig's Holy Blade, it's very utilitarian, in my opinion. It's fine, but it's just a greatsword in a game full of crazier stuff. I'd recommend the Whirligig Saw for sure, the Hunter's Axe can be great with it's very wide and heavy hitting tricked mode, Beast Cutter makes up for lacklustre damage with insane range, there's the good old Saw Cleaver which has a very expansive moveset when tricked, plus it's untricked R1s are spammable and can stunlock enemies. You were using the Kirk, too, which is fun as hell for smashing. Try out these weapons and see which one feels good to you.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

That's what I deserve for not dumping any points into vitality.

Methshot
Methshot

If you don't have the DLC, you should definitely get it, a ton of great weapons are to be found in it, Whirli, Amy Arm, Boomhammer are all DLC weapons.

Skullbone
Skullbone

I don't have the Moonlight great sword yet. I started with the Saw Cleaver -> KirkHammer -> Stake Driver -> Ludwig Holy Blade. Just got the Whirligig Saw and i am fucking steamrolling everything it seems. Beast Cutter looks like it will be fun when exploring but not during boss fights due to how slow it is. I will give Hunter's axe a try.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Ebrietas uses her head as a club
The Living Failures use their heads like clubs
Rom uses her head like a club
The Celestial Emmissaries can use their heads like clubs
The untricked Kosiflower charge attack let's the Hunter use their head like a club

RumChicken
RumChicken

Just remember that Burial Blade is mainly a Skill weapon (don't pay attention to the Arc on it, it scales horribly just like the Blade of Mercy's and Amy Arm's). So to use it on a Strength build effectively you'll want a Heavy Abyssal, which requires finishing dungeons and farming FRC Headless Blood-letting Beast. Most people hate farming him. That's if you want to be fully maxed out for PvP, for PvE any Physical gems on the Blade is fine. The best version is Uncanny if you do plan on finishing dungeons and farming high-end gems.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I am playing mainly on PvE right now since I don't have PS plus at the moment. Do I have to remake an Arc build if I want to use the moonlight great sword. That might be my build my next run.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Nah, HMS is pretty flexible. It can be used on a Strength build with little to no Arc or a Str/Arc build (16/12/50 Str/Skl/Arc isn't great but it's still usable). For Str/Arc you'll want 20-25 Strength and 50 Arc with Nourishing gems. But since you don't got PS+, farming those gems will take much, much longer since you'll have to create your own dungeons with the hopes of certain enemies spawning to farm. It's easier on a Strength build if you just use Physical gems. It requires 14 Arcane to wield.

WebTool
WebTool

Hmm. What level should I be when I take on the old hunter DLC. I just finished Forbidden Woods and I went to nightmare Frontier to beat Amy. Currently at the first area of the old hunter DLC and I have to say it is pretty tough. Currently at 62 SL

cum2soon
cum2soon

Im lvl 43 and im at living failures shit is tough but people usually recommend going in the dlc at BL 70-80

Methnerd
Methnerd

Ringing at Defiled Pthumeru L2 lamp, pass is bbg.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Recommended level is 65+, but as long as you got at least 30 Vit and a +6-9 weapon you'll do okay. You can pick up decent gems from the first few dungeons that'll help with damage.

DeathDog
DeathDog

tfw doing the dlc made me overleveled for my first fight with the moon pressance

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Sounds great. I will continue doing the DLC then. I hope it won't over power me when I am done with it and just squash the rest of the game.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

DLC is pretty much the toughest part of the game besides FRC dungeons so if you manage to beat it solo you'll squash the rest of the game. There's 22.3% Phys droplets dropped by Winter Lanterns near the end, they're the best Phys gems aside from dungeon gems.

viagrandad
viagrandad

MP is already piss easy regardless

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

A little dissapointing desu

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

So I should nope out of the DLC till I beat the main game? Can I still continue playing my game if I beat the final boss or will it force me to go NG+

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Conclusive evidence that all those eyes made those idiots extremely thick-headed. No wonder why they all went mad.

Flameblow
Flameblow

But since you don't got PS+, farming those gems will take much, much longer
In my experience, Nourishing gems are some of the easiest to farm without using glyphs because Amygdala is such a common boss in FRC.

Beating the final boss sends you immediately to NG+, there's no option to stay like DaS2/3. You should clear the whole game before DLC, but if you kill the second boss of the Nightmare of Mensis before doing the DLC you'll miss out on some dialogue.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Last required boss won't push you into NG+, you'll probably know when it'll push you into NG+. There's 2 optional last bosses depending on certain requirements. Best way to know when it's near the end is when the Doll tells you that Gerhaman wants to speak to you.

Just do the DLC whenever, I usually tackle it early and if it gets too tough go back to the main game until I feel ready.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Anyone?

FastChef
FastChef

I'll be there if ya still need help.

SniperGod
SniperGod

why does the workshop get set on fire after you kill the wet nurse?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

So clear the DLC before I beat the 2nd boss for the nightmare of Mensis?

Speaking of Gerhamn, the old dude has been missing from my game since I beat the Vicar

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You can beat Wet Nurse, just don't talk to G man until you've done the DLC and whatever else you need. He's probably chilling at the back of the workshop near the Messenger Hat bath.

askme
askme

Getting there now.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Ringing.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Fuck, ringing.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

It's alright, ringing again

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

You can beat Wet Nurse
If you beat Wet Nurse and the dream is on fire, you miss out on the new dialogue from the doll when you defeat Maria/Orphan.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

He's probably chilling at the back of the workshop near the Messenger Hat bath.
But he is not? I will check again.

massdebater
massdebater

Jesus

Snarelure
Snarelure

I didn't expect papa G to kick my ass in NG+

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Just beat these guys in NG+. Same result as main game: 1 death, then a win. I still don't quite get why everyone thinks they're that hard. Dark Souls II had far worse cases of having to manage multiple enemies at once. Now if the blood vial animation was slower I could see them being annoying.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I still don't quite get why everyone thinks they're that hard.
Who is everyone?
Never heard anybody say this.

girlDog
girlDog

Why does this tend to happen in chalice dungeons which have a set layout? You'd think enemies getting stuck in the walls and the like would be a feature of randomly generated ones but not set layout ones since they can be tested for.

likme
likme

Sometimes he's there, sometimes not.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Don't fuck with him, user. He's building up speed.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Lost Session Arcane, ringing again

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Guess I paid too much attention to /v/ soon after release.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Internet fucked up.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Same. But I fucked up the first time because I went for the fire throwing dude first. That was a mistake. Killing the most aggressive katana dude first makes the fight so much more easier.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Are there parallel universes iOh wait it's confirmed there are.

idontknow
idontknow

So if he isn't in the workshop or at the stump. Where is he?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

No one knows. He's either in the workshop, out back, or gone. He comes and goes.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

tfw building up speed for 12 hours to reach a parallel chalice dungeon where Guidance 3 exists

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Some of you were alright, don't go to the hunter's dream tommorow

idontknow
idontknow

Still ringing?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Fuck my life, why is he so hard? Sorry for being worthless.

Bidwell
Bidwell

What build is the best for quickly smashing through story/chalice dungeons for gem farming.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Really? I always go for the fire guy, then katana guy, then the one that spits fire, but they do transform quickly, and the last guy summoning snakes is kind of annoying.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Just go for the head, it's easy to bait and slap. Don't summon Queen Killer, he's pretty ass against Hotdog.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Didn't know.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Anything that uses a Saw.

Inmate
Inmate

It's alright, ringing again. That charge attack can be a little fucky

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I bought over 300 Blood Vials for this Chalice and I think I'm already running out.

FastChef
FastChef

I love you, no joke at all. Thanks.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

No prob, good luck with the next boss ;)

TreeEater
TreeEater

The guide for arcane doesn't lay it out enough for me.

Cleaver > Spear > +9 spear > +10 kos parasite?

What do I use to farm arcane gems for the parasite though?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Don't bother with the arcane guide, it's written by a shitter desu

Snarelure
Snarelure

Yeah, I'm guessing I'm going to be demolished.

SniperWish
SniperWish

It frightens me that people want to go arcane. Seems like it's guaranteed to be weaker than just a strength or quality build

RavySnake
RavySnake

The Saw Spear?
Seriously, user. Just use the same weapon you used to get the Parasite. It's not rocket science.

StonedTime
StonedTime

You can get a free Saw Spear from the sewers, just run for it and pick up a Cane or Axe. The +9 Saw Spear will carry you through most of the game. Early fire gems for almost everything, Lighthouse Bolt gems for fire-resistant enemies like Hotdog and Laurence if you wanna fight him. Physical gems, BB pellets and Bolt Paper for Pthumeru Hotdogs to get those early fire Radials. Even with base Str/Skl, Winter Lantern droplets will do okay damage when paired with BB Pellets and Papers.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

What makes you think that?

King_Martha
King_Martha

The fire guy has the easiest attacks to dodge even in sneks mode. Going for him afterwards always makes the fight more easier.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Arc builds usually do more damage than normal builds at 50 Arc if you farm the gems, and you can also use the tools and pump more points into health.
Also you can go pure 99 Arc and rek chumps with the absurd damage on the tools

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

the fact that you have very limited weapon selection, the base damage on the parasite is low so everything relies on the scaling, the fact that it eats your covenant slot too

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Could someone go 99 str or 99 skl and wreck fools with that?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Not that I know of, Arcane tools have the same scaling from level 70-99 as 1-50, but this is not the case for weapons so this doesn't apply to Strength or Skill

whereismyname
whereismyname

Was the one reborn literally the easiest boss in the game?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

the fact that you have very limited weapon selection,
Not at all, considering that you can just slot Cold Abyssals onto physical damage weapons and call it a day. You really only have to worry about the minimum requirements, and how many levels you'd have to drop to meet them. It's up to you if it's worth going 20 skill just to use an elemental Rakuyo, but the option is there regardless.
the base damage on the parasite is low so everything relies on the scaling
Yet it has incredibly high damage modifiers to balance it out. Not sure what your argument is here. The AR tends to be low, but the modifiers compensate. The Kos Parasite isn't the only weapon
the fact that it eats your covenant slot too
Again, the KP isn't the only arc weapon, and covenants aren't very significant in Bloodborne.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Here's a better Arcane guide
start as Str
steamroll whole game with Kirkhammer/LHB/Axe
start investing in Arc once you have 50 Str and MLGS/Wheel
start thinking about infusing weapons with elemental damage once you've done a billion chalices and have a bunch of cold gems
make a Fire Saw Spear, a Lightning Church Pick, an Arcane Saif, whatever

rek chumps with the absurd damage on the tools
It's really not that absurd. If you want to cheese bosses by backpedaling and spamming projectiles, use Bowblade, it's far more fun.

likme
likme

You have to waste the time grinding out the cold abyssals first though. Without that you only have KP.

Executioners covenant with increased blood healing seems to be objectively the best bonus, so I park on that and never leave

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17tmcuxmi_Ibh-rLSwO_7AFedTUbruJhpHD2o9LxAYOI/edit#gid=0
Looks pretty good to me

happy_sad
happy_sad

Arc guide
50 strength

???

w8t4u
w8t4u

No, a damage stat at 50 gives 85% of damage for weapons. 99 Arc is for Tools, which scale better past 50. Nothing scales as well for Str/Skl. 50/50 hits pretty hard for most Phys weapons though.

farquit
farquit

Radiance is only like 11 HP per vial

MPmaster
MPmaster

The Radiance Rune gives like a 1% bonus for vials, it's not really noticeable. Milkweed ups Item Discovery 9-10 points, not much but sounds better than Radiance.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

No, that award falls to the Hemwick Witches. TOR can be hard if you have literally never leveled vit, like if you're doing a BL4 run. Witches can never be a challenge, and if they ever even were, you can just drop all your insight and negate them to a game of hide and seek.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Anyone want to help a fellow hunter out with Ludwig? I've killed him plenty of times on my own, I just want my Moonlight Sword for this build. I'm BL53, I'll be ringing with password bbgmoon.

Word of warning, I only have ten vit.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Ringing at the fog, that is.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Be there in a minute

RumChicken
RumChicken

Is there a lore reason for Ludwig resembling a horse? We don't see any other beasts take a form like that.

askme
askme

Thanks a million dude, I've been hitting my head against him for too long now.

TIME FOR MOONLIGHT

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

This man will be my pure Strength build with Kekhammer in mind.
What should I name him?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Claire

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Cute ayy lmaos in that art

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Horses are noble beasts, Ludwig was a noble man. The Moonlight Sword helped make his transformation worsen, so maybe it affected him turning into a horse too. There's no real solid evidence as to why he's a horse.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Good call on the noble aspect, didn't think of it like that.

SniperGod
SniperGod

on this note: is dark beast paarl a cat?

Emberburn
Emberburn

what's a good place to invade at BL 98?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Mergo's Loft: Middle, Nightmare Frontier. FCs are every Saturday.

Methshot
Methshot

Me again, Defiled Pthumeru Amygdala anyone? She isn't hard per se but when she takes out her hands she JUST me. Pass is bbg.

Emberburn
Emberburn

She
Her

This meme needs to die.

Real advice, when he arms himself, stand right under his crotch and he'll likely do a jump. Position yourself right at the end of his tail and he'll land right over you, and you can get free charge R2s on his big dumb head.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Do you know from where >>>"her" names comes from? Yes, her. And thanks.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

She
He

2016
Assuming gender
baka desu senpai

w8t4u
w8t4u

I haven been able to join bbg fc's for a really long time because of life, i really miss you guys, you are the best , i wish i could play bb way more that i do now

JunkTop
JunkTop

Who knows, the humanoid skull makes it hard to tell. The movements are fluid like a cat's but mimic a Scourge beast's, which seem more canine.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Amygdala's preferred pronouns are xi, xim, and xis.
Please respect xis lifestyle

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Amygdala is all but explicitly referred to as male. Patches calls him Lord rather than Lady, and when you talk to him in the ecture Building he up and says, and I quote, "My apologies, but I feel a profound thought occuring... On the good grace of a certain god, and how he meted out his love."

I mean, sure, Great Ones and alien biology and concepts of gender et cetera, but even then calling Amygdala a gril is still blatantly false.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Cranston sucks

Lunatick
Lunatick

*clears throat*
Have you beaten HER yet, user? SHE's one of my favorite fights.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Even the Church doesn't understand the Great Ones, what makes you think they aren't just assuming her gender? You can call her what you want but Yes, straight from Wikipedia "Amygdala Shown in research to perform a primary role in the processing of memory, decision-making, and emotional reactions. The medial nucleus is involved in the sense of smell and pheromone". That convinces me to think its a female.

Playboyize
Playboyize

No. And mine too, right after Martyr and Ebrietas.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I noticed that if you don't move, sometimes she doesnt hit you either

idontknow
idontknow

It doesn't have genitals you retards. Gender is a social construct, no biological sex = no gender

King_Martha
King_Martha

It doesn't have genitals you retards
She does in my chinese cartoon porn.

StonedTime
StonedTime

tfw male and don't have an amygdala
At least I have two hippocampuses

JunkTop
JunkTop

Alright Tumblr that is enough. Fucking knock it off.

happy_sad
happy_sad

If you still want help I'll boot up

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I didn't implied that.
I'm ringing where Queen Killer is.
Thanks. ^

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Panda link

SniperWish
SniperWish

So the only way to get invaded in this is by using the bells to do coop or invade? Aside from the couple nightmare areas where the maidens are

Booteefool
Booteefool

I'm at my phone ATM, and it wasn't even on Panda, I can't remember if it was r34 or some other chinese site.

askme
askme

I'm gonna SRRC so if you'd move over towards the Lamp I'd appreciate it.

Yep.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Amygdala is pretty difficult. Xis 3rd phase is scary

girlDog
girlDog

Alright.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Yes, you can blank out your bell and you'll probably get invaded as long as the maiden rings. Most likely not since anyone rarely invades outside of Nightmares and Twink areas.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Coolio. If I'm not there in 45-60 seconds Blank and re-ring. Moving through zones can fuck up the connectivity sometimes.

FastChef
FastChef

God damn I didn't realize how short this game was. Shit ramps up and then ends out of nowhere it feels like.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Farming rom for nourishing gems if anyone wants in

Emberburn
Emberburn

I got an Inka

Illusionz
Illusionz

That's me

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

want to keep playing my lvl 100 main character
dont want to level him further for now
dont want to waste the souls i get from doing chalices and NG+
not quite ready to go back to a new character and going back through the climb
stuck in purgatory

w8t4u
w8t4u

Didn't quite know what to do in those last moments, thanks.

massdebater
massdebater

lol Yeah. It's all good. Cheers.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

That convinces me to think its a female.
Why?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What should my strength/skill/arcane distribution be for a good moonlight greatsword build?

Supergrass
Supergrass

50/25/25 or 25/25/50. Former is better for the blade, latter a bit better for beams while having decent Hunter Tool damage and converted weapons.

MPmaster
MPmaster

25/25/50

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

But the Church has nothing to do with Patches, he's an entity associated with Amygdala and Amygdala only. The only reason Patches is even in the Lecture building is because he's a fucking spider, spiders love to hang out in old, decrepit locations and the Lecture Building has a direct connection to the Nightmare Frontier, where his Lord not Lady resides.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Alright, i just finished my skill\bloodtinge and strength\arcane runs and am kind of at a loss for what to do next, any suggestions?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I usually hear 25/25/50 with nourishing gems to take advantage of base form and the tricked split damage. You could probably drop the skill if you wanted to stay lower or mostly use the tricked form.

eGremlin
eGremlin

You've literally covered everything with those two builds. Only thing left to do is fool around with different weapons, PvP, go spelunking in CRF dungeons and co-op with people.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Bitches can remember with who they saw you with, at what hour, date and place. The thing with emotional reactions and pheromes.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Depends on what you want out of it. If you want it primarily for moonbeams, 25/12+/50 is the way to go. If you want the physical sword and smacking stuff with the tricked blade, 50/25/25 is what you want.

This is, of course, assuming you want to stay within meta constraints. There's nothing stopping you from going 50/50/50 and completely annihilating everything and everyone you come across, you'd just have a hard time connecting for PvP. Reddit fight clubs would be accessible, and I think it would be hilarious to twoshot them with your giant rollcatching fucksword and R2 followups of instant death.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Pure Arc, or something unorthodox like Skl/Arc, Blt/Arc. Maybe a Bl43 Twink or Vit-gouge Wheel.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

So, Kirkhammer has a D in Arcane? Do I need to raise my arcane to get the most out of it?

SniperWish
SniperWish

I dont want this to end. Why can't From make more games. Time to replay DS

farquit
farquit

Arc scaling doesn't matter since Cold Abyssals increase it. The scaling increases the higher you upgrade it, I believe it has a B or A at +10. If you're running a Str and/or Skill build, don't bother with Arc since it's only activated when you slot fire/bolt/arcane gems.

viagrandad
viagrandad

All weapons have D ARC scaling unless they're explicitly ARC weapons. The reason for that is so that they actually work properly if/when you decide to stick Fire/Bolt/Arcane gems into them instead of Phys gems.
There's a small handful of weapons with a minor ARC component in their total AR, but that's inconsequential.
Unless it's an actual ARC weapon, don't bother leveling ARC.

whereismyname
whereismyname

The wheel sounds fun. i'll do that.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Just know that you'll mainly rely on the tricked multi-hits since most of your points are put into Vit. Basically dash-r1 everything, r2s as well I suppose. Wheel Twinks are pretty devastating too.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

ded

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

[ALREADY DEAD]

TreeEater
TreeEater

Americans are all asleep and Euros are just getting up to go to work/school.
This is /comfy/ time

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Fighting Hotdog, summon Queen Killer for help
Having a shit time and then I see Hotdog hit him out of bounds. He literally clips through the arena floor
Like 30 seconds later the game decides to tell me that Queen Killer is dead

w8t4u
w8t4u

true Americans never sleep

Firespawn
Firespawn

The game is telling you to get good. The fight is better done solo anyway. It makes the Hotdog more predictable and you can use the nose bop strategy on him.

youtube.com/watch?v=tXwxAgA7tak

StonedTime
StonedTime

Oh I killed him eventually, I just thought that bit was funny. I looked around the arena for him for a few seconds.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I just beat Bloodborne for first time and damn I loved it so good. I beat everything up to Gehrman at around level 80-85 before buying the DLC. I guess I went in a little overleveled, since I beat every boss in two tries except Ludwig on my first try and Orphan of Kos on my like... 40th try.
I ended up with like 30/29/50/16/20 since I wanted to try every weapon on my first character, but later settled into Str. I guess it would be more ideal to be more specialized, but I figured I can finetune later characters. I couldn't justify 2 more Blt points for Evelyn though, so I hope that sucks.
I did all of Pthu until Defiled, although I did the ritual for it. Did Loran. Did ritual only for Hinter, Lower Loran and Isz.

I'm kind of at a loss on where to go with this guy now, I have no PS+ now, as I didn't have much use for it but now I want to try PvPing with this guy, or should I not bother and roll a more finetuned char statwise after I settle on a weapon with my rounded out first char?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Disregard quote.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

what did I ever do to you

360 clap for sure

WebTool
WebTool

That character is fucked. Start over.

If you want co-op go Str.
If you want duels go Skl.
If you want a combination go Str/Blt.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Thanks for the (You) anyways, unless you have used it you have PS+ free for 2 days. I've activated mine around 5:00PM for the Chalice dungeons and cleared two before Lower Loran Isz and the other one. Its 3:53 AM here if anyone wanted to now.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I'm going for a strength build. Never gone for one in BB, so this is my first time using the Kirkhammer.

Is the sword portion of the KH apart of the strength or dexterity aspect?
I'm throwing all points into strength, and dunno if I'm wasting time using the sword if it's dexterity...

JunkTop
JunkTop

Damn. Well I had fun anyway.
I might just max this guy out 99/... for shits and giggles then, I guess. I already have every weapon at at least +4 and 3 at +10 on him, so I can't leave him altogether.

Here's another one.
I did buy a month when I got my PS4. Got REmake and played Overwatch free weekend, then didn't see a need to renew with my current catalog. I'm gonna buy a year though I guess and start co-oping a new character.

eGremlin
eGremlin

The sword moveset deals less damage than the hammer moveset to balance its faster attacks, but the stat scaling isn't any different. The only weapon whose physical scaling changes when tricked is Threaded Cane, which increases its Skill scaling.

takes2long
takes2long

user sorry but your build is more or less lost to you wanting to try out all weapons. The stats softcap at 25 and hardcap at 50, except for arcane which can scale with tools up to 99. Try to aim for 50vit and between base and 15 end.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

The whole weapon is Strength, it's okay but a Saw Cleaver would be better for quick attacks. The sword has somewhat low modifiers, similar to the LHB but not as bad (0.9 for Kirk sword, 0.75 for LHB sword. Cleaver and most weapons are around 1 for standard r1 attacks).

DeathDog
DeathDog

I wonder if I'd enjoy playing as much at 15end. I've gotten accustomed to bobbing and weaving.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Never gone for one in BB
How? BB gives strength more love than all the other souls games combined

Bidwell
Bidwell

I love these
Post more

Techpill
Techpill

I've reset my one file 50 times over and over again using the same character and the same skill build based around the cane.
Cane is best weapon.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I'm starting to burn out on BB and decided to turn to DS3 to take a break.

And I gotta say, among all of it's faults the one that ruins it for me the most is the lore. I just can't give a shit about that setting. I guess it's supposed to be depressing that nothing in the game really matters, but it just leaves me disinterested. I hope Miyazaki stays true to his word and moves on to new stories.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Not that guy, but I also went back to SKL a couple of times instead of trying new builds. Just can't get enough of SKL weapons.

FastChef
FastChef

I made the mistake of starting with Noble Scion and ended up leveling Endurance to 20 before I settled on the weapon I wanted to use. I'm looking at Threaded Cane and Blades of Mercy.

Current stats are:
30 Vit
20 End
30 Skl
9 Str
14 Blt
9 Arc

How fucked am if I want to start going for BoM or an optimal Threaded Cane?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Besides the starting class, you're honestly fine. 20 END is fine for BoM usage(20 END is the most points people would stop anyways). Just get vig and skl to 50

TreeEater
TreeEater

You can still hit 50VIT/50SKL at 102 which isn't terrible, but you can't be optimal with your stats this fucked. Enjoy having extraneous ARC and BLT and no STR I guess, that's the road you're on if you don't want to restart.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

46-48 VIT depending what meta you're stopping at*

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Cane is best weapon.
my nigga. Always the trusty weapon for skl builds until you get whatever weapon you have planned also is useful for Defiled CDs for its range

WebTool
WebTool

Cane isn't even the best starting weapon.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I went into my first playthrough blind after waiting to get the game for a while. Had no idea what I wanted to do. I'm at the Forbidden Woods right now, so I think I'll just keep what I have. Darn shame though. Had no idea I was fucking my stats so bad with that starting class. Is Arcane any good for BoM/Cane, or is pretty much all of my damage coming from Skill?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

All your damage is coming from skill. BoM has ARC scaling, but it doesn't add shit. Like we're talking single digit benefits at most: it only has ARC damage on it so it can't be elemental converted.

Threaded is all skill.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

45/20/10/50/14/9 puts you at 98, so you should be fine. You'll just have some points wasted from Blt and Arc. If you want to make use of them and don't mind going over 98, 25 Blt for extra gun damage and 15 Arc for a few Hunter Tools. I don't recommend going over 10 Blt for Skill but you might as well with Noble Scion's 14 Blt.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

1st playthru
Dont worry about being optimal. Worry about that with the sequential playthrus

idontknow
idontknow

That's good to hear I suppose. I don't have to waste more levels on it.

It really surprised me that your starting background could mess with your build so much.

I figured. I'm probably gonna just have fun and find things as I go. I'll make sure to do the DLC in this run though because I heard it gets a lot tougher on NG+

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

It really surprised me that your starting background could mess with your build so much.
It only matters if you're going to PvP actively. Otherwise the level restriction doesn't matter and those wasted points are of no real consequence.
Since it's your first walkthrough you're better off enjoying single-player and coop and not worrying about builds too much. 50 should be your aim for your primary stat (SKL in your case), and 20 is a good cap for END in PvE. That's about all you need to know.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

It really surprised me that your starting background could mess with your build so much.

It can if you want to be fully min maxed but it's no biggie for first playthroughs. Just aim for 40-50 Vit and 50 Skill. 45/20/10/50/25/15 at 115 is what I'd go for.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Thanks. I was reading the pastebin and got some good info there to help with later builds. I'll probably just enjoy the PvE for now and save PvP for subsequent playthroughs. Chalice dungeons probably won't be worth it on this run since I don't need the gems for PvP, right?

w8t4u
w8t4u

They're worth it for PvP but PvE nah, just stick to Winter Lantern droplets. There's also the trophy for completing them if you want the platinum and theme.

Snarelure
Snarelure

You don't need gems for PvE, but I kinda enjoy Chalices anyway, if only for the bosses. It is a bit boring getting to the deep ones though.
You can give them a try, and if you find it boring feel free to leave them for later.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

You need gems for everything: gems are always going to be the bulk of your damage.

That being said, you don't need optimal gems for PvE. You can get away with mensis or hamlet droplets for the most part. In PvP, however, you're going to want optimal gems. It's not a requirement, but its a strong recommendation.

TreeEater
TreeEater

tfw the game has so little sub-build variety
Like, there's different builds no doubt, but all of them are pretty basic. There's no real buffs in the game and only one real healing item outside of vials so forget trying to make a co-op support/healer arc class; melee classes can only really go for pure damage since damage increase gems are so ridiculously OP while slow poison, rapid poison, stamina usage down, hp restore, etc. gems are pretty much worthless.

Really you're stuck between a pure damage melee build, shooty shooty build, or pure mage build; and those last two will probably be used mostly as pure damage melee builds too. If BB2 or a spiritual successor to BB gets made I really hope they find a way to drastically improve the potential build variety.

FastChef
FastChef

I didn't think I'd need Chalice gems dove I'm not going fully optimal on this run anyway. I've been having a fine time on the drops I get as I go. Thanks for the advice.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Since I'm not*

girlDog
girlDog

Depending on your level/stats/weapon/weapon upgrade level you really don't need chalice gems for any of the content.

Three 20%s is more than adequate for anything that isn't FRC or PvP.

iluvmen
iluvmen

I think it's bout time I bought PS+ and joined the online fun. Don't have much interest in fight clubs and mostly want to coop, help people with bosses and the like.

Can I stick to my SKL ways or will a STR build do better for these purposes?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Str
Better than Skl
For any reason ever

Are you just rubbing it in or what?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Huh? In BB Str is better for co-op, and Skl is better for PvP. Str+BLT is a happy medium.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Is this good for an r1 spamming BoM/Rakuyo build? I know it's unoptimised by one point, but I'm already at Amelia/Lower Pthumeru and I don't want to start again.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Im i wasting points in skill if im going arcane and the cane and saw blade is going to be elemental in the end?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Yeah, put those points into arcane or strength instead.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

It's really my friends character, and she wanted a skill/arc build, but i later relized that the skill points will we wasted once i put Fire/Bolt gems in them, are there any other weapons that are good with an arc build that does not require elemental gems in them? Or is it still a waste?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It will help Visceral damage, but other than that. Yeah it's a waste.

Go 25 STR instead, that way you can use HMS, Tonitrus and Wheel as extremly powerful backup weapons. also 70 Arcane is a meme, stop at 50 or go all the way to 99, the amazing scaling doesn't kick in until 80+ so stopping at 70 is just a waste. Put another 20 in STR and turn the Wheel into the most powerful weapon in the game by using Noirishings, revving it 4 times and R2 > R2 > R2 everything to death. Or dump another 30 points into Arcane and leave STR at base and cut a few from VIT/END.

ARC/SKL just isn't a good build, nothing scales (well) off both at the same time, unless you really want an elemental Rakuyo SKL should be 14 at highest, usually 12.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

A skill/arcane build is better at 50 skill and 20 arcane so you can use (physical) skill weapons and supplement them with Old Hunter Bone dash-spam, Beast Roar for emergencies, auger for two-handed parries/BoM Backstabs and Gloves for pressure and stagger.

Or go 50/50 and use BoM with nourishing gems. I'm pretty sure that's stronger than 50 SKL with Temperibg gems.

No idea why my spoiler tags fucked up

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Arcane on Blades of Mercy is shit. He's better off with 3 temperings even with base Str.

Techpill
Techpill

So if im going with the Wheel build (With HMS and Tonitrus i dunno) how would it look like with most optimal stats? Im new to ARC builds, and im more used to str, skill and blt builds.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Test

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Is wheel good for strength build without arcane?

For PvE and memeing only

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

If you really want SKL/ARC then go Cruel Fate 40+/12+/10+/50/5/20+. I'm saying this by memory so the numbers might be wrong but you should be around BL100 with this.

Inmate
Inmate

I wonder what Amelia smells like

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Do you really need that much end? I'd bring end to 15 and try pumping str to 25, just so you have more skill weapons like the Saif, BB, and Church Pick in your arsenal. I know you're planning Rakuyo/BoM only, and that they don't scale with strength, but it seems hell of a lot better than that many extra points in end.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Yeah Arc on BoM is shit, but if you do level SKL and ARC to 50 (for whatever reason) I'm pretty sure 21.5% Nourishings eventually outperform 27.2% Temperings. Only just and it depends on enemy defense which works out better.

50 arcane
Whatecer Vitaility you are comfortable with (recommended 40-50)
Same with END
12 skill for requirements
As much STR as you can, 50 is optimal but 25+ is good.

DeathDog
DeathDog

What does Orphan smell like?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Rotting pussy probably

massdebater
massdebater

pls respond, sitting at the upgrade table with a cheeky blood rock in my inventory

DeathDog
DeathDog

Anything is good for PvE, except Fist of Gracia.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It's a meh STR weapon, it's untricked moveset is basically a more arkward Kirkhammer. And it's tricked mode is worse if you don't have any arc.

But wheel makes a fantastic weapon on any build for flat arc or poison gems.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Ah fair enough, so i guess it's Kirkhammer +10 for me then

farquit
farquit

I've beaten this game 10 times by now and still can't kill Ludwig without a summon or fire paper and beast pellets. Not even Orphan gives me that much trouble. Pass is rapehors.

massdebater
massdebater

Dodge left.

If you still need help I'll boot up. Surprised no one else has offered yet.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Is there a single boss fight in Bloodborne where you should dodge right, for a change?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Maria. Maybe Orphan for a couple attacks.

Abhorrent Beast too I think and also HBLB.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Every time I see that thumbnail I always think that the back of your cape is some sort of landscape.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Of course, left works on Maria too.

I do post it a little often, don't I...

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Nope. Headbutted into oblivion. Still beckoning.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Alrighty, I'll boot up. Pass is "rapehors" specifically with no e?

Ringing at the lamp or fog?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

At the lamp. There's no e because it's too big.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

There's got to be a Berserk or "That's what she said" joke in there.

Ringin'.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Kek. He was tryin' to get you. First time I've been killed by that in a long while.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Running in the same direction as someone else is never a good idea. Thanks.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Cheers.

Actually dodging right in his second phase seems to work quite well.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I dodge right for BSB. Honestly, you should almost always dodge towards the direction the attack is coming from.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Holy shit. That bitch at the Grand Cathedral for the Crow boss is one fucking tough son of a bitch.

JunkTop
JunkTop

You can parry cheese him.

girlDog
girlDog

Yeah that is what I did in the end.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Cheers for the build.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Don't use it it's garbage. 40 Vit will get you OHKO'd by everything in FRCs. You need at least 41 Vit, and that's a bad idea too.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I can smell it on you. You use the R1 L1 L1 L1 combo basically for the entire game don't you.

Here's my advice. Take one of three options. Go level Vit to 20, summon competent help, or learn to dodge all his attacks.

happy_sad
happy_sad

that lined my brain with keks

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Your leveling priority should be:

20 VIT
up to 20 END (stop sooner if your build calls for it)
30 Vit
base stats for whatever additional weapons you will be using
damage scaling stats to build cap
VIT and END to build cap

In that order. After making several build, that order is always the most efficient and effective. Raising damage scaling stats earlier, for example, doesn't have a very major effect because the weapons still tend to be +1 or 2 so they base stats and scaling tend to be crappy anyway. Plus, 30 VIT is plenty to get you through NG PvE.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

brain tentacle lmaos
inflicts me with frenzy
try to kill them
get grabbed when I'm aggressive
get frenzied again when I'm passive
get stuck in an infinite loop of frenzy when I try to heal and fight.
Is the only way to deal with these guys to just run past them and heal the frenzy damage as you go?

TechHater
TechHater

You can parry them or stun lock them to death with certain weapons.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Is the only way to deal with these guys to just run past them and heal the frenzy damage as you go?
Not even close. If you're using a Saw weapon you can stun them out of their grab, but it isn't the safest way to play.

You can also interrupt the grab for a visceral, during which you are allegedly immune to the Frenzy proc.

Easier, for me, is to just hit them once or twice, dodge through the grab to 11 or 2 o' clock, R1 them a few more times to kill them, let the Frenzy proc, then heal up and get on with the level.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I'm having a hard time fighting OoK with the kirkhammer. How the fug do I get hits in when he's in phase 2?

cum2soon
cum2soon

Untricked R2

Firespawn
Firespawn

The safest way to play is to stunlock one to death, let frenzy activate, pop two healing vials, then move on to the next one.

Spacing:
youtu.be/0TJrw5gwx-o

eGremlin
eGremlin

veekyforums.com/thread/163236515/video-games
A thing of sublime beauty to which all should bear witness.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I jizzed a little bit

Techpill
Techpill

Mergo brain fries the school of mensis
Rom is retarded and makes everything else retarded
Why try to reach out to great ones again?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Queen Killer
one time I summoned him and he blasted the cannon right in the fucking face of the hotdog and blew like 30% of its health in one shot

King_Martha
King_Martha

I've been trying to kill father g for 4 hours now
Either dying to the second form right before the last hit or during his long axe phase. No idea when to parry him, it feels so random. Like when he's jumping shouldn't this be the correct moment to shoot? Or while he's about to jump? Or just before he's about to me?

WebTool
WebTool

youtube.com/watch?v=RImq2pYNoA0

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

youtu.be/30H7MCwTx5c

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You can use the toybox from the little girl to stagger him, and you don't need to parry him if you don't have the timing well yet. Focus on hit and running/dodging.

And you won't parry him middle jump, it's when he is almost jumping I think.

likme
likme

Thanks, tombstone tricks looks easy and i supppose for his long axe attacks you should try attacking him at the start of the attack? i tried to use the music box but it takes so long and while i use it he just ends up attacking me.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Dodge into him rather than away. And mostly learn his parry timing.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's the eternal theme of cosmic horror - it's too late until you're in too deep. Human limitation, ignorance, arrogance, the quest for knowledge and understanding, control, and ultimate lack thereof.

It's all about trying to be in control, safe, but finding out you can't be in control, ever.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Just had my first encounter with the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst. I died 3 times before managing to kill him, that's more times than I've died to any boss in the entire game, including DLC.

Why the fuck can From STILL not understand that using NPC enemies is cheap bullshit that makes the game unfun? Why not actually create an enemy with a unique moveset instead of using a non-player hunters that can pull of perfect parries, have boss-tier health pools and do insane damage with firearms?

The bloody crow of cainhurst has 8k+ hp, can heal for half his health and does ridiculous damage with both weapons, not to mention the fact that you can't do combos on him since he parries you, killing you no matter what. It's unfair, frustrating and just plain boring to fight against, and I have no idea how this garbage got through playtesting.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

you should've been able to get an Orphan-like placenta as a weapon

TreeEater
TreeEater

Because they are fun.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

just git gud my man
some of us die like 50 times to every boss, you can love with 3 deaths to a single bodd

Flameblow
Flameblow

3 times
Hard
What? I remember playing Dark Souls for the first time and dying to that bitch with 2 dogs in a narrow pathway for like fucking 30 times.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

How? I just fail to see how fighting a massively overpowered copy of yourself is fun in any way. It just seems like lazy enemy design, and a shitty way to end a relatively cool quest line, should've been an actual boss with a unique moveset instead.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Because it is a fun skill test. The opponent can do anything you can do. It literally down to gitting gud. It is somewhat refreshing plus it is optional.

Supergrass
Supergrass

3 times
unfair
frustrating
Man up, pansy. I died to the Cleric Beast, the easiest boss in the game, around 9-10 times before I beat him and I didn't come on here on whine about it.

takes2long
takes2long

Their stats are just higher to make up for them not being able to adapt like a player-controlled character would.

Why would a "Hunter of Hunters" questline end with you fighting anything other than a "Hunter"?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

thanks for da tips bro
*farts*

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

MLGS and Wheel are the best Arcane weapons, and they're both Str/Arc. Pure Arc is a terrible meme.

Inmate
Inmate

I picked up a PS4 around Thanksgiving and I've been pretty absorbed in this game ever since. I finished my first run through last week and started a new game right after that, after doing some research on some different ways to play it. I decided to try a pure arcane build this time, and try to do some min/maxing even though I probably won't pvp. I was using this image from the OP as a source for info.

I ended up following a few lines here pretty specifically - after I got two fire gems from the Fire Dog and the waning gem from the Workshop I felt pretty strong, went and got the Augur and Executioner's Gloves and then went to the Hunter's Nightmare. I struggled a bit so far with a +7 Saw Cleaver with those fire gems up to the second lantern, and from the sound of things I feel like I'm going to get destroyed by Ludwig. The image made it sound pretty easy to farm Chunks at this point, though, and I'm missing on how. The red-eyed Cutter hunter drops down right near the second lamp, right? I haven't gotten a Chunk off him and I didn't read anywhere else saying he dropped one.

StonedTime
StonedTime

he doesn't Kosiflower or Kos Fist
he doesn't go weaponless, equip all the Odon Writhe runes, then use only hunter tools while restoring bullets with Auger parries

idontknow
idontknow

Pure Arc is a terrible meme
Kek.

He doesn't. You don't farm Chunks, you just pick up all the ones along the way.

Those guides are written mostly by the kinds of retards that claim the whole game is 2ez and vastly understate the particulars, although that's at least somewhat because those guides are not meant to be comprehensive walkthroughs for new players.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I'm going to try and beat Gerhman amd Moon Presence today for the first time with my shit stats generalized character, and I was wondering if my first actual optimized build should be Bloodtinge or Arcane.
I have the Old Hunters, if it matters .

Emberburn
Emberburn

How much do you like chalice dungeons? Because optimizing those two builds takes the most time in chalice dungeons.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Why are you using the Cleaver instead of the superior Saw Spear?

Evilember
Evilember

It is a meme.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Because I like the Cleaver

JunkTop
JunkTop

You don't like

Double SERRATED
E
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R
A
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E
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Illusionz
Illusionz

So Byrgenwerth were the good guys?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

There are no good guys.

Methshot
Methshot

Sure, just don't ask to the fishing hamlet citizens. And they were also right, the more eyes the better.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I dunno, I just like the Cleaver, even if it isn't derrated all the time

JunkTop
JunkTop

Nope. They still had the Fishing Hamlet slaughtered and Kos desecrated.

The only good guys are Rom, Ebrietas, Kos, and a few of the hunters. Everyone else is either a bad person or neutral.

iluvmen
iluvmen

implying

Booteefool
Booteefool

Is this meant to represent the Moon Presence? Or a Lumenwood?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

He was kidnapping people all over yharnam as sacrifice for his ritual.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

For a greater good.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

each attack of any melee weapon can be parried
the only exception is jump attack but gunshots usually just stagger you out of those
1 (one) true combo in the entire game, BoM's L2 is literally useless as you can't use it even as a finisher
no way to quickly restock between invasions
molotovs scale from arcane when they are just a physical projectiles not connected to ayys in any shape or form
guns have no reloading animation
90% of caryll runes are absolute garbage
Man, returning back to BB after a lot of hours in DS3 is sure bumpy.

WebTool
WebTool

Def moonman

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

21 END
Is this your first time playing Bloodborne?

Nojokur
Nojokur

no Shadow of Yharnam armor
no Shadow if Yharnam blade that cam trick into snake shit
no Shadow of Yharnam candle that works like the flamesprayer
I just want to play as a cool robe boy

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

what would be the best boom hammer build? stats and setup?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

molotovs scale from arc
because they're fire
which is a Pthumerian power

1 combo
what are the saw cleaver tricked form r2s
what are transform attacks

Supergrass
Supergrass

what are the saw cleaver tricked form r2s
not a true combo
what are transform attacks
not a true combo with exception of LHB's post-transform r1 => r1 which is literally the only true combo in the game

Bidwell
Bidwell

Gascoigne user back, took a break and tried again, died first time using the tombstone trick.
For the second try i just screamed every insult i could think of and that worked somehow, so thanks for the tips!

JunkTop
JunkTop

An absolute opposite for me. I cannot stand DS3 after BB.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I want to make an executioner as I have never done an ARC build.

Is it fun?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It's one thing to like or dislike some game. I like both DS3 and BB for different reasons. But returning back to BB i can clearly see poorly thought-out mechanics and overall lack of quality of life stuff like ability to make inventory compact or quickly restock all consumables.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

with Orphan you dodge right in some form almost every time

massdebater
massdebater

I saw a LP of blooodborne and it seems too much like an action button masher than a souls game. Pretty short too.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Well that's pretty much what I meant. I like DS3 but I must say I enjoyed it much more before I played BB again. While I agree that some quality of life stuff is missing in BB, I find it's core mechanic changes and additions to the DS formula a vast improvement.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Ah QoL > actual quality content, its always a pleasure to read what stupid arguments DaS 2 and 3 retards bring up.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Go ahead and play it like a masher and see for yourself :v)

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

first BB playthrough, going for Skill build, should i improve my threaded cane?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Sure, all weapons are viable through out the game.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Yes.
The Cane is a very good weapon, but only in skilled hands. You are going to need a lot of practice if you want the most out of it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

ty, but am i gonna be able to use another weapon with some better scaling with skill?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

tfw OoK second phase
Kill me

Methshot
Methshot

You can use as much weapons as you want as long as you have the minimum requirement. And only for upgrading above +6 you should be a little more careful since those materials are a little harder to get even by the end of the game.

SniperGod
SniperGod

all weapons are viable through out the game.
What is Rifle Spear? What is Amy arm? What is Reiterpallasch?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Reiterpallasch is a pretty good weapon for almost everything though, with some interesting combinations and a way pure skill builds can have a gun that does good damage per bullet.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

You must be pretty blind if this is what you read in my post. Fanboyism usually does this to people though.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Both Reiter and Amy Arm are viable.
Won't vouch for Rifle Spear though.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Amy arm is extremely viable for pve though reiter and rifle spear are indeed hot garbage for it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Amy arm is extremely viable for pve
Not in untricked form.

Illusionz
Illusionz

? So? Whirligig is garbage non-tricked as well but i don't see people calling it bad for pve because of it.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Reiter makes some fights very easy, in particular anything parriable or around human size, and others much harder though. It's a good backup weapon for a weapon with better reach.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Bloodborne's on sale for $8 lads. Get ready for the influx of new players asking stupid nonsense.

likme
likme

Those smashes are good for hitting those fucking gutworms the silverbeasts spew out

just use fire

Not every build is an arc build and I'm not wasting paper for one silverbeast famalamadingdongeroo

Bidwell
Bidwell

I am using Rifle Spear and Reiter right now. What's wrong with it?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Do you have any idea of what you are saying or are you just shitposting? Untricked Amy has some absurd damage and it's pretty fast too.

likme
likme

What's a good level to start the DLC?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Depends if you are good. I did the DLC around BL 60

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Is extended-play user still around from yesterday? I'm starting up my new character now. I'll need 20 minutes to clear Central Yharnam then I'll wait for you outside of cleric beast.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Lower Loran, L2, LVL.95 pass is bbg, anyone?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Exploiting enemies elemental weakness makes arcane THE OP PVE build. I shred everything. Physical builds dont come close.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Yes, I am here.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

NVM

idontknow
idontknow

So which is better normal or lost bowblade for a backup weapon in a pure bloodtinge build and for someone who isn't going to grind a lot for rare gems?

SniperWish
SniperWish

Why can't From make games as good as BB all the time? Maybe instead of getting a new one yearly we should get one every 3 or more years. I am not saying DaS2 and 3 are bad, in fact I like them, I am just saying I would rather have one A+ game than two B+ games.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Someone up to fight Logarius with me? Level 52 and just want my roar gesture

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I did my first playthrough as a skill build, using the BoM - 50/20/50/15 and it went pretty good

I've been looking at doing an Arcane build this time round but a few things are confusing me. Am i correct in these statements
Weapons with inherent elemental damage (Tonitrus) benefit from arcane scaling regardless of gems
Weapons without inherent elemental damage (Kirkhammer) do not benefit from arcane scaling (despite saying it has a B in Arcane) until elemental gems are placed in it
Once a weapon has elemental gems in it, all scalings apart from Arcane are redundant

If those statements are true, then is it not always better to simply grab the base requirements for a weapon, level Arcane and use elemental gems? Rather than doing a 'hybrid' build - since if you put gems in to use the Arcane scaling, the Strength scaling is now useless?

In which case - if i wanted to use Wheel, i should just grab 20 Str, then go like 70 Arcane and use transformed form all the time? And take something like Tonitrus and Saw Cleaver (with fire gems) to deal Bolt/Fire damage respectively?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Password is bbg

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Tonitrus/Saw Cleaver
not Tonitrus/Boom Hammer for thematics

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Did you get help already?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I managed to kill him solo

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Tonight, AYYY joins the hunt.

So arcane build here I can't wait to hate life farming gems.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I will be going to Ya'hargul next if you care to join.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Yo people listen up, I don't know how rare this is but my Lower Loran has Bath Messangers with the Lost and Uncanny versions of the DLC weapons, what kind Holy Moonlight Sword is better for an arcane build?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Going through a full area is going to take time, and I'll be leaving soon. Good luck.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Woah, we're going to have two ayy lmaos in our FCs?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Jesus fucking Christ, and then you faggots complaing about Luci.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I just hope he's not arcane too.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Okay, ringing outside cleric beast now. Password is bbg01

Supergrass
Supergrass

t. luci

Techpill
Techpill

You could do that but the Wheel also benefits from STR and nourishing gems exist. And about the scaling, it's a little more complicated than this for some weapons but I'll leave that for an user more knowledgeable than me.

Supergrass
Supergrass

There are already two but one of them dies on contact so I don't think it counts.

Evilember
Evilember

How do you figure out what version of a weapon you want for your build?

If i'm doing Arcane i obviously want Arcane gems, but do i want flat or %?

Like Saw Cleaver for example starts with 2 Radial one Waning - So i could go for 2x Cold Blood Gemstone to increase the scaling, or can i just go Nourishing for a flat %atk boost? (does this work with the arcane damage?)

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Lower Loran L3, LVL.100 NG, pass bbg. At lamp.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Read the OP

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

The OP guide is a shit

RavySnake
RavySnake

Chalices dont scale with ng+

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
Best Gems Setups

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Weapons with inherent elemental damage (Tonitrus) benefit from arcane scaling regardless of gems
Yes, weapons like the Tonitrus and the HLMS already benefit from arcane scaling due to their inherent damage. The Kos Parasite is in the same category, as are the Burial Blade, Blade of Mercy, and the Amygdalan Arm. But, those three have pitiful arcane base damage, so any arcane investment is virtually worthless.
Weapons without inherent elemental damage (Kirkhammer) do not benefit from arcane scaling (despite saying it has a B in Arcane) until elemental gems are placed in it
Yes, and not all weapons can be converted. You can't make a fire HLMS, for example, or a fire Bloodletter. Generally, if the weapon has only physical damage (of which thrust and blunt are a part of), you can convert it.
If those statements are true, then is it not always better to simply grab the base requirements for a weapon, level Arcane and use elemental gems? Rather than doing a 'hybrid' build - since if you put gems in to use the Arcane scaling, the Strength scaling is now useless?
Exactly, that's what everybody does. You'll see people invest in strength, however, for the HLMS and the Logarius' Wheel.
In which case - if i wanted to use Wheel, i should just grab 20 Str, then go like 70 Arcane and use transformed form all the time? And take something like Tonitrus and Saw Cleaver (with fire gems) to deal Bolt/Fire damage respectively?
For the wheel, just bring strength to 25 to benefit more from the first cap. 50+ arcane is fine, but make sure you understand Hunter Tool scaling. IIRC, certain tools receive huge boosts at around 80+, but don't quote me on this. Just check the OP for it.
If you want to use the Saw Cleaver, fine, but the Saw Spear is serrated on both forms, which is better for you. No big deal, though. As for a bolt weapon, the Tonitrus may not be the best choice. Boring moveset. Bolt Saifs are pretty popular, but you can use just about anything you want.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

The answer to one of your questions is quite literally the first thing that is read on the Chalice Dungeons Pasta, clown.
Quit being lazy and at least make an attempt to look.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Ah, then you up for it?

TreeEater
TreeEater

If i'm doing Arcane i obviously want Arcane gems, but do i want flat or %?
You want percentage gems. The way damage works is that flat damage is added at the very end of the AR calculation, and just before your opponent's defenses. This means that it's not modified by gems, scaling, or attack modifiers of any kind. The game doesn't separate flat damage from modified damage when showing you your AR on the status screen, so be mindful and don't assume that a bigger AR is always better. Though, flat damage is useful for multi-hit attacks like the Wheel's dash R2, and the Kos Parasite L2 nuke.
Percentage gems will be modified, so you'll want those.
Like Saw Cleaver for example starts with 2 Radial one Waning - So i could go for 2x Cold Blood Gemstone to increase the scaling, or can i just go Nourishing for a flat %atk boost? (does this work with the arcane damage?)
Sort of. I think your example setup wouldn't actually be arcane, unless one of the Cold Abyssals had a + elemental damage secondary. In order to convert a weapon, you specifically need to equip onto it a fire, bolt, or arcane gem. Only then will the Cold Abyssals actually take effect, because otherwise they'd be increasing the scaling for a damage type you're not even using.
Also, yes, nourishing gems increase all damage types, but putting a nourishing gem on a weapon doesn't magically make it arcane. Besides, unless you're using a HLMS or a Wheel or whatnot, there are specific elemental gems to use over nourishings, like fire gems, bolt gems, arcane gems, etc.
bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/10/individual-blood-gems.html
Link above is a great source for those specific gems.
We have an OP for a reason.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Just so you know, that guy isn't me, the guy who was asking all the questions.

Thanks for the info, doing an arcane build is seriously fucking confusing, figuring out what gems to use and what not.

I figure i'm going to go something like 50/20/20/10/5/70 - use a Logarius wheel transformed for most of my damage, then a Fire Cleaver for beasts (fire+serrated) and a Bolt Kirk Hammer because that sounds fucking cool

So i'm guessing for Gems, i want an Uncanny Wheel, with 2 Nourishing Radials and one Flat Arcane Triangle

A normal Saw Cleaver with Nourishing Radials and a Fire% Radial

And a Lost Kirkhammer so i can get a Triangle + a Waning, since there are no Radial Bolt Gems?

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

i've looked at the blood gem guide you linked from the op but i don't understand it thats why i'm asking

If nourishing boosts all the weapons attack though, shouldn't i just put one elemental in to change the damage type, then fill the other two slots with Nourishing Radials?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Ayyosefka > fake Iosefka post Rom > the real Iosefka > fake Iosefka pre Rom

TreeEater
TreeEater

Real Iosefka is cute, fake Iosefka can fuck off to Hunter's Nightmare for ruining Good Hunter's date

Flameblow
Flameblow

If nourishing boosts all the weapons attack though, shouldn't i just put one elemental in to change the damage type, then fill the other two slots with Nourishing Radials?
No, because nourishing gems only go up to 23.6% at MOST, and you can get better elemental gems, like a 27.2% fire/bolt/arc from Watchers, though the farming will kill you. There are also fire and bolt abyssals, if not those.
Basically, nourishing gems are great when you have a weapon that deals more than one damage type, like the HLMS whose beams are arcane. Otherwise, just use the specific gems, which tend to be higher in percentage and will give you more damage.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

You want Cold Abyysals on your Kirk and Cleaver.

+65 ARC scaling and they come in all shapes. I'm pretty sure best setup for Cleaver (although I reccomed Spear) is two Cold Abyysals (one waning, one radial) and a 27.2% fire triangle.

Best setup for Bolt KirkHammer would be either two Bolt Abyysals and a 21% +33 flat waning or one cold abyysal, a 27% bolt triangle and a 21% +33 flat.

As for Wheel, with your build I recomend 3 Noirishings, flat arcs are only good on certain attacks and are best suited to Vit-gouging min-requirement build's. With 20/70 you are going to want to rev it up and make use of the insane multiplicitive damage boosts.

w8t4u
w8t4u

70 arc is a meme, you go 50 or 99. Invest those 20 points else where.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Shitting on real Iosefka

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

killer queen is a fag

Summon prospector olek, he has way more hp and lives way longer. Makes hotdog way easier

Evilember
Evilember

but user
real Iosefka is at the top of the list

takes2long
takes2long

ok so early on i can just throw an elemental gem + nourishing to fill the gaps , but later on i should be farming chalices to get the better Elemental gems?

So i want

A Lost Cleaver, with a Waning/Radial Cold Abyssal and Triangle Fire Gem

An Uncanny Wheel with 3 Nourishings

An Uncanny Kirkhammer with a Bolt Abyssal Radial and 2 Nourishing Radials

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

killer queen

IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE?

Supergrass
Supergrass

We will never get to go out on a date with real Iosefka after the night of the hunt
She sounded so eager about meeting us face to face too.

takes2long
takes2long

Earliest elemental gem you can get is a fire gem guarded by a Brainsucker in the path past the Abandoned Old Workshop. That, or a fire gem from the first Pthumeru chalice's third layer boss, Watchdog of the Old Lords. Flaming axe Pthumerians also drop fire gems.
There are arcane gems from the Celestial Emissaries in the Forbidden Woods, but you're best using fire gems. Though, you can try your hand at farming Lower Pthumeru Watchers for a 17% or so arcane gem, as I've had them drop it before.
I recommend doing the chalices alongside the main game, if only to get the fire gems at least. Ailing Loran will come along and have plenty of fire and bolt gems for you just as standard drops from enemies, but if you feel like saving the dungeons till the very end, you can pick up scrap bolt gems from the Nightmare Frontier.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Real Iosefka's probably just as corrupt as the first, though. There probably wasn't enough time for the fake one to dissect those Celestial Emissaries in between the time you meet the real one and she gets replaced. So the real one must have been doing research of her own.

takes2long
takes2long

I thought she was part of the church. We can trust the Healing Church.

SniperGod
SniperGod

We can trust the Healing Church.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Did that dude who made the messenger hunter ever release the sliders?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

This guy?
youtube.com/watch?v=LKhx6d67FXU

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

We can trust the Healing Church

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

This is all I need before Isz, plz

Evilember
Evilember

So should i just pick cleaver (i hate spear) and rush to that fire gem as fast as possible + the flamesprayer and dump all my levels into arcane? Then get to Cainhurst for sweet sweet transformed wheel, then go to Nightmare Frontier and kill Silverbeasts a billion times for a Bolt gem for my Kirkhammer?

Then i'll probably fill the rest of the gaps with nourishings, try to finish the game and then start doing Chalice dungeons (something i've not yet tried) for better Gems/Weapon variants

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Is the Micolash slider set in the OP "genuine", or just an imitation?
Would there be any way to get the actual sliders of NPCs, or are they all "custom made"?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Pretty sure they're custom models, not made in the character editor.

Evilember
Evilember

Sounds like a good plan. Silverbeasts drop the bolt gems constantly though, and I believe there's one you can pick up in Yahar'gul. It's inside one of the cells.
Then i'll probably fill the rest of the gaps with nourishings
There's a nourishing gem in the poison cave of the Forbidden Woods, and the last one is in the Nightmare of Mensis. But yeah, you can do that. Though, at that point, I'd recommend you just get droplet gems from either Mensis or Hamlet by farming the Winter Lanterns. A good set will be tremendously helpful in the chalice dungeons.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Nobody here actually plays the game, we just circlejerk and shit on Luci

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

The Choir and the School of Mensis are the mean ones, the church itself is fine.

Booteefool
Booteefool

We can trust the Healing Church.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Early fire gems are the following

8% waning in Church Workshop area (avalible after BSB)
10.5% Fire radials from first chalice dungeon
12% fire radials (maybe better I dunno) from second chalice dungeon, these are why running first dungeon twice is dumb, it's quicker just to farm mobs for better gems
exact same quality fire gems avalible in Triangle shape in Hintertomb
16.5% fire radials and triangles avalible in lower Pthumeru/lower Hintertomb
8% radial nourishing gem from Rom in lower Pthumeru
+30(ish) flat arcane triangle from Lower Hintertomb Brainsucker boss. Kinda shitty but will convert your weapon.
similar radial gems avalible from Brainsucker mobs in Lower Pthumeru root dungeons (UNCONFIRMED, really rare with low discovery, but there's no reason why they wouldn't drop them)
10% Arcane Triangle in the woods
7% Nourishing triangle gem in the woods
7% Arcane (and other effects?) from Ayy's in the woods
7% bolt and fire wanings from Loran Silver Beasts in nightmare frontier

Flameblow
Flameblow

The Choir and the Church aren't separate entities user, the choir are basically the shadowy overlords controlling everything from behind the scenes.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Is this a good Bloodtinge build?

I thought the Chikage was just supposed to be used in transformed with base skill to wield it but literally fucking everyone seems to take 25 Skill for some reason. Oh and the 14 Strength is for the Bloodletter - i've heard thats pretty ok.

mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/20815

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You know the Choir and the church work together, right?
Where do you think the blood comes from? And who do you think distributes it?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Oh user, you'd be a wolf person in just a few minutes. You need more eyes.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Curse the fiends, their children too...

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Let's keep distributing this blood even though we now know it turns people into beasts.
Lovely lads, those church people

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

By that point, everyone was hopelessly addicted to the blood.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Where's the best place to farm chunks and rocks?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The Choir's sins aren't on the rest of the church. The part that performs the blood ministration and helps people aren't necessarily in the wrong. There are good people in the church.

Old Yarnham was a mistake. They have cleaned their act.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Chalice dungeons

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Fuck it thats close enough, but I clearly remember there was a better one made thanks anyway

w8t4u
w8t4u

Old Yarnham was a mistake.
Yes, yes, a "mistake." That's a good werewolf. Keep those eyes closed.

Emberburn
Emberburn

There are good people in the church.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Go away Adella!

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The part that performs the blood ministration and helps people aren't necessarily in the wrong. There are good people in the church.
Like who? If you're implying that spreading blood like that is good just because your intentions are to help (or just muh science), you're terribly wrong. You judge a person more by their actions, not their intentions. Good or not, that blood is fucked, and should not have been distributed, especially when it became clear what it did to people.
Filthy church apologist, begone.

massdebater
massdebater

A whores blood is unfit and useless compared to a proper nun's blood.

Rom has more eyes than anyone and she is a simpleton.

hairygrape
hairygrape

If that scourge of beasts is getting too much for you to handle, why don't you let the Healing Church take care of your children for you? Just send them up here, to the orphanage. They can play in the garden with the other children!

farquit
farquit

This is a parody of people who defend Muslims, isn't it?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Rom has more eyes than anyone and she is a simpleton.
Funny, because you're the complete opposite on the spectrum in terms of eyes and yet you're still a beastly idiot.
Run off now, beasty. Back to Old Yharnam with you.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

An attempt was made to help things. It was bad luck that it came to burning it down and sealing it off.

No one knew the blood was dangerous until it was far too late.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Worthless trash.

iluvmen
iluvmen

No one knew the blood was dangerous until it was far too late.
Yes, I'm sure Willem and Laurence came up with the "fear the old blood" adage for no reason at all.
Not to mention that Ashen Blood epidemic in the Old Yharnam was likely caused by the Church's experiments to begin with.

Playboyize
Playboyize

awoo~

Firespawn
Firespawn

No one knew the blood was dangerous until it was far too late.
Come on now. Didn't you listen to Master Willem?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Ignorance isn't an excuse, especially considering that that complete fuckwit Laurence was warned about the blood. There was plenty of time after Old Yharnam anyways.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

IS THIS NIGGA SERIOUSLY DEFENDING THE HEALING CHURCH

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Church's experiments to begin with.
We don't know what hand, if any, the church played in that one. We know they tried to help though.

He was a prick and Byrgenwerth were awful, inhumane shitters who caused half of what is bad. The school of Mensis caused the other half.

The Church decided in needed a stronger hand afterwards. It was for the better in some sense.

eGremlin
eGremlin

being anti-church
That is like being pro-vileblood.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

reiterpallasch
not viable
I don't think there's a single enemy in the game that's resistant to thrust, and it also gives you a high damage gun with minimal bt investment

Spamalot
Spamalot

Being anti-church is just called not being retarded.
Hunters of Hunters are best.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Mah crow.

Bidwell
Bidwell

not being a Lumenwood Kin
Tekeli'li motherfuckers

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Noticed. ATM

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

why is there a iosefka vial outside of wet nurse fight?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Howcome spedrunners and the like use Cleavers r1l1 combo the most?

likme
likme

take one guess.

TechHater
TechHater

lore

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

does anybody actually like the chalice dungeons?

Methnerd
Methnerd

I need your opinion /bbg/. I've been using the saw cleaver for the whole game so far cause it's bretty good and it's fast but I'm starting to get bored of it. I'm dumb and didn't put any points into SKL, BLT, OR ARC so what weapon would you recommend to someone going pure STR? I have the DLC and this character is PvE only since I'm trash.

SniperWish
SniperWish

KIRKHAMMER

Nojokur
Nojokur

Stake Driver

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Pizza cutter

StonedTime
StonedTime

Beast Cutter is fantastic pure STR weapon and about as far away from Cleaver as possible in terms of moveset. Slow, huge range and the ability to pancake damn near anything.

Or Amygdala Arm WeBm related.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Will someone please help me? I just can't seem to beat the L3 boss of Lower Loran.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

forgot the webm

Lunatick
Lunatick

Anybody want to go through the chalice dungeons with me?

passcode is blbr11

Snarelure
Snarelure

Set a pass and I'll start ringing.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I don't fucking know which is why I asked?? You snide piece of shit.

I could make an infinite amount of guesses but without concrete knowledge there is no way to tell if I'm getting warmer or colder, which is the POINT of asking questions you imbecile.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Should I do Blt/Skl or pure arcane?

Bidwell
Bidwell

bbg

hairygrape
hairygrape

one guess. first thing that comes to mind. i'm sure you can figure it out.

massdebater
massdebater

Just guess, user.

w8t4u
w8t4u

What the fug
Just encountered a brainsucker as a boss in Great Isz
Not even a new moveset just a regular enemy as a boss

Soft_member
Soft_member

Yeah, that's normal. Welcome to chalice dungeons.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

make a gamble and take a guess, sissy.
don't make me fuck your ass like a cheap whore and make you moan for more

Booteefool
Booteefool

OK sure, I'll make 3 guesses and tell me if I'm getting there.

Stagger
Optimal stamina:damage usage
In case the boss dodges, an l1 will connect where an r1 might whiff

Soft_member
Soft_member

The real fun begins when you start seeing bosses as regular mobs

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Thanks for the help! I'll experiment with the weapons you all mentioned and see which one is the most fun to use.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Second one is on point, but it's not the only reason.

SniperGod
SniperGod

You ringing?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Alright, sorry for the wait. I'll be ringing shortly.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

It's just so insulting. There were multiple other brainsuckers on the floor.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

No worries.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Don't worry, Amy might show up later. Somehow I have a harder time with the Isz Amy I faced than the defiled Amy.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It doesn't matter why they do it
If you see a speed runner doing something a certain way it's because that's the absolute best and fastest way of doing it, so if you're looking to do something fast you had best take note

5mileys
5mileys

You there? Or did this fucked up?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I've been ringing in layer three for a while now.

Just got summoned by a Vileblood, so if that was you then rip, otherwise I'll keep ringing. Blank and rering your beckoning bell, maybe?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Yup, that was me. Kek.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I can only dodge Ebrietas charge half the time which is kind of a pain since everything else about her is a pushover. Any tips? Also what's the best way to bait out the headslam. I kinda just dance around in front of her until she does it

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Okay that's enough purging for now, I'll go put on Impurity and we can kill Loran Darkbeast.

Y'all better not be besmirching the Moonlight Sword, using it as a fucking Vileblood.

WebTool
WebTool

Ayy, alright senpai

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

God, why does Central Yharnam suck so much?
I loath to make new characters precisely because I don't want to have to go through it again.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Is the game dead, or are there just certain hours that are better for co-op?

I started a ng this morning, trying to get some hunting in with others, and for the last 6 hours, I've gotten summoned twice and only had one person join me.

I'm on worldwide and not overleveled.

TechHater
TechHater

Thx, Executioner.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Why do you hate it, curiously?
It's my second favourite area in the game.
Co-op is alive, more so for the countless people who summon for the DLC, and SRRC. It really depends where you're ringing at. You're less likely to get a random cooperator in for a full run of an area, and more likely to get cooperators ringing near bosses.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Ayyy

Playboyize
Playboyize

Central Yharnam's fuckin great dude, I just wish we had reason to go back through during night time

Methshot
Methshot

Why do you hate it
You're too weak while everything is either in big hordes or is too strong for you to reliably take on.
Not to mention that the townsfolk enemies are god Damon terrible to fight; especially the ones with the bullshit torch attack.
You can't grind to get stronger, because you are very likely to get ganked twice on a row, most likely from >YOU PLAGUE RIDDEN RAT

It only really gets good past the sewers, but getting past that is utter slog.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Never had that problem. You're far faster than just about anything in Central Yharnam, and the crowds are incredibly weak. You also have the ability to parry from a distance. It's easy to dart in, get a couple of hits, then dodge back out. Or, just run past everything. Seriously, the huntsmen are are slow as fuck.
The only things that are tough to take on are the Scourge Beasts on the bridge, but even they can be cheesed using the shortcut building's door. The brick trolls move at the speed of molasses, and are pure parry bait.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Ludwig was actually a lot easier than I thought he was gonna be. Got him on my third try, wasted 15 vials the first time, 23 the second time and only 5 when I killed him. Still a fun fight though.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

is a bl4 run as easy as a sl1 run was in dark souls

girlDog
girlDog

Has anyone translated the runes on the Kirkhammer yet? I find words like Oeidion and Euthed on it, the first obviously being a reference to Odeon, but fuck me I'm straining my eyes trying to read these shitty textures!

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Much harder because you can't cheese with pyromancy, and you have to get pretty far in the chalice dungeons before you get really good damage

StonedTime
StonedTime

i never used pyro in my sl 1 run

but fuck doing chalice dungeons

Playboyize
Playboyize

We can all agree that chalice dungeons would be better without the faggot bell ringing bitches right?

takes2long
takes2long

Here is a question. My friend might be getting the game soon and I'm going to play through with him. What weapons are the weakest unless heavily optimized? I'll build a character around them to show them off so he doesn't have to waste time doing it. I already have a full arcane character.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Yeah, but they make spelunking fun in an odd, masochistic way. Why the spiders chase you to the ends of the world is fucking beyond me.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

awaken at a lamp
afk as a I look at my phone
60 seconds later I get swarmed by spiders
Seriously they'll sniff you out for miles. It sucks 10x worse when there's like 3 of them together.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Beast Claw and Kos Parasite are pretty shit, even when optimized.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

the way they swarm and block doorways/halls
Jesus FUCK

Snarelure
Snarelure

I believe I got swarmed by over 7 spiders in Loran.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Someone said it was a gibberish mixture of Elder and Younger Futhark - that being Norse runes. It's just meant to look cool.

Methnerd
Methnerd

I know it's futhark, but I can't accept that the masterminds behind Bloodborne just slapped norse runes on it without a deeper message other than "DUDE, VIKINGS, LMAO!"

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

What boss did you guys die to the most?

5mileys
5mileys

Orphan.
Funny because he's now the boss I die to the least. He was such a great challenge that I kept doing co-op against him, just to get that rush again, but there's no difficulty in it anymore.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Gascoigne, lmao

RumChicken
RumChicken

All of them, Cleric Beast included.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

For the ultimate PvE build, should I go 25/50 STR/Arc, or something else?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

First playthrough my highest death counts were
Cleric Beast because I still didn't know how to play properly
BSB because I had no clue how to fight him
Rom because I was too scared to attack her without killing ALL the spiders first, and I kept getting Insta-killed by pre-patch projectiles and bullshit tracking
Defiled Amy took me 40+ tries
Laurence was the same

Conversally the ones I got first try were Amelia, Shadows, Wetnurse, Moon Presance (0 vials left though) and amazingly Ludwig.

I got 100% of trophies before I bought PS+, so I was happy I did it all "legit"

RavySnake
RavySnake

Laurence, Shadows or Ludwig.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT, THE, FUCK!!!!
SINCE WHEN DOES PAARL DEAL SO MUCH FUCKING DAMAGE!? AND WHY THE FUCK DOES HE ONLY SPAM HIS FUCKING GAY ASS LITTLE GAY FUCKING SHITTY FUCKING AOE, FUCKING NIGGER PAARL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I honestly think they thought it looked cool and mysterious and foreign. Apparently someone tried translating it and it's just total gibberish. Although it is interesting that there's runes and English to be found in the game, the graves you find in Hemwick and such have copy-pasted English gibberish on them. I wonder if runes were Pthumerian in this world.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Nips do stuff like that all the time. All kinds of musicians there use English words in their songs because they sound cool, and Evangelion had an entire Christian aesthetic solely because anno thought it looked cool.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Nips are such disgusting creatures.

SniperWish
SniperWish

NG+ Laurence or defiled hotdog/Amy probably.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Either 25/12/5/50 or 50/25/10/10 and put Heavy Abyysals on every single weapon (except Kos Parasite and Bloodletter) and make use of a huge variety of weapons.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

While we're at it, I'm a bit rusty, coming back for the plat trophy, what's a good place to farm those Heavy Abyssals?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

European here, I get a lot of co-op when Americans aren't sleeping. Also met quite a lot of Japanese people. Europeans dont seem to play this game much anymore.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

jesus christ I hate central yharnam so much

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Cursed Depth 5 Layer 3 Ihyll Root dungeons Headless Bloodletting Beast.

7f8pcdjx is a good glyph. There's others in the OP sheets, but this is an easier dungeon in my opinion. If you want to go now I can farm with you for an hour or so.

Or anyone else reading this.

Playboyize
Playboyize

worst part of the game desu senpai

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Anyone feel like clearing out all of Old Yharnam? First time doing ARC build and trying to get BSB done ASAP. Already killed Djura. Ringing at the lamp with the password below of you're interested:

bbg

cum2soon
cum2soon

Gascoigne. But after I found out that in BB you have to be aggressive and basically dodge towards shit instead of way, the game became a cake walk, DLC included.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

thanks m8, but I don't play online
tfw too lazy to get ps+

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Redpill me on Tolomeo.

I've been watching his streams these last couple of nights and they've been pretty good.

Methshot
Methshot

missing out on one of the best gestures
Why

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Already got it on a few other characters.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

This
I even deleted my character once when Henryk killed Djura before I got the gestures...

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Well good fucking luck getting Heavy Abyysals then.

Why even make a "build" if you are offline? Just keep leveling until you eventually reach 50/50/50/99 and use whatever you feel like.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

But that would be gay as shit, I never go above 98, even when I'm offline...

Snarelure
Snarelure

Best part of the game

Cathedral Ward fine I guess

Woods a shit muh poison

Burgertown 2small

Yaharhar fucking hell

Memesis lol frenzy awoooooman shit final boss

git rekt

Methnerd
Methnerd

get so FUCKING PISSED OFF AT CLERIC BEAST THAT I PUNCH MYSELF IN THE FUCKING NOSE!!!
THERES SO FUCKING MUCH FUCKING BLOOD HOLY FUCKING SHIT FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST!!!!!!! FUCKING CAMERA KEEP FUCKING ME OVER!!!! FUCKING NIGGERFAGGOT!!!!! FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST, YOU BROKE MY FUCKING NOSE!!!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!! FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST FIUCK THIS I'M THROWING MY FUCKING PS4 OUT THE WINDOW FUCK IT!!!! FUCK IT HIT A FUCKING DOG, I KILLED A DOG WITHJ MY PS4 IT FUCKING DIED, AND IT MADE THE CLERIC BEAST SOUND WHEN IT DIED!!! FUCK THERES SO MUCH FUCKING BLOOD I'MS TANDING HERE COVERE D IN BLOOD PUNCHING MYSELF WHILE A DOG IS DYING OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, THE OWNER IS SCARED SHITLESS, SOMEONE IS CALLING THE KCOPS, I!!!! I¨'M GOING TO KILL THOSE SSNITCHES, AND I'LL DIE SHOOTING THE COPS! FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST!
FUCK YOOOOOU!!!!

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Since you forgot to put on Henryk's set

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Give me some cool lore stuff that you guys have thought of/ or found

RavySnake
RavySnake

is this pasta?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

So this is the hot new meme around here, huh.

Firespawn
Firespawn

AND IT MADE THE CLERIC BEAST SOUND WHEN IT DIED!!!

Illusionz
Illusionz

So when farming for gems I should copy my save onto a flash drive right before the boss door?

Soft_member
Soft_member

DO NOT DIE WHILST FARMING MOBS FOR GEMS IF YOU ARE GETTING GOOD DROPS.

the RNG in this game is so fuckimg streaky and dying resets it, I got 6 Adept gems in a row from a red aura madman, then after I died no gems at all for 7 runs until I died again. I've theorised this before but this is proof (or if not, a 1/100000 chance). Adept gems are rare, getting that many in a row is unheard of. Unless hunters marks don't reset RNG alignment. But death certainly does.

If you are feeling lucky, do not die at any cost. If you are feeling unlucky, restart the application.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Sometimes you get lucky. Chalk it up to confirmation bias, I've gone dozens of runs in a row without getting anything useful.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Get blood bullets if you need them, then walk through the door then quit out so you don't have to wait through the door opening animation every single time
Also, start the game up in offline mode before backing up the save so its automatically on offline and you don't waste time waiting for it to connect every time

Lunatick
Lunatick

Anyone for regular BSB? Could use a hand, this playthrough I'm going ARC and am pretty weak right now. Ringing outside fog. Pass:

bbg

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

One more thing, make sure your flash drive is formatted in exFAT, not FAT32, the difference in transfer times is huge

Flameblow
Flameblow

Anybody up for it? I can repay the favor on a different character.

hairygrape
hairygrape

needing help for bsb
you have the saw spear, right?
you don't need any fucking help.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Dodge left, user. You don't even need the dodge button, in fact. Get some Fire Paper too, or pop a beast blood pellet if you really need to.

iluvmen
iluvmen

LOOK AT THIS FUCKING NOOB GUYS!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Soft_member
Soft_member

Shitposters aside. If you still need help I can in about 10 minutes

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I'll just tough it out. Thanks anyway.

w8t4u
w8t4u

tfw poison builds will never be viable in PvP

w8t4u
w8t4u

rapid poison logarius
not viable
pick one

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Does weapons still scale with STR/SKL if I put use fire bloodgems?

Methnerd
Methnerd

No. The fire gems mean that the weapon will scale from arcane alone now.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Guys, I'm trying to find the Hunter of Hunters, I'm already at the point where I have to kill Wet Nurse and I've already helped her killed Henrick(?) does anyone knows where she should be?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

She should be at Grand Catherdral You cant fast travel there you have to walk from Catherdral Ward if you can fast travel there then gg it means no Hunter . i think you were supposed to go there after killing rom

RavySnake
RavySnake

Yeah I can't, I thought that had to do with the DLC. Thanks.

Techpill
Techpill

My inner Hitler dictates I always finish Vicar Amelia with a molotov, fucking gold clutching jewess.
TFW have to wait until NG to gas her to death like the filth she is.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I now have the strong desire to make hitler and exclusively use the rosmarinus

FastChef
FastChef

not using exclusively flamesprayer
let us cleanse these foul streets

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

tfw made my first character with the intention of leaving him at lvl 100, an appropriate level for pvp and fight clubs
after beating the game, I found the game so fun that I just want to keep playing
dont want to start over from scratch on a new character
want to keep using the same character I've spent so much time creating and developing
decided "fuck it" and have continued playing him and keep leveling him up to 120 and beyond in NG+
will probably boost him to even higher as I keep going the cycles
tfw forever overleveled

rude

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

FUCK THAT, I've never killed finished the game, I kill Wet Nurse and just make a new character, trying wacky builds is what makes this game.
SIEG HEIL!

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

decide to be a lot more ruthless with my latest character
kill Adella
feel bad

Methshot
Methshot

This is the only offshape I've ever seen in 300 hours. And it's fucking garbage.

FastChef
FastChef

Adella a slut

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

He looks bald

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Anyone want to help with Lower Pthumeru Rom? I could beat her on my own, but I've done it so many times now I just don't want to bother.

Pass is bbgrom. Word of warning, I only have ten vit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Have you ever fluffed up your character or one if your characters as something specific? What were they?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I hate myself for not being able to kill a piss easy boss like Loran Darkbeast. The problem is I can't fucking hit him.

Camera tracking is worthless and even when locked on nearly all my attacks miss. I lock on to dodge then unload my attacks on his legs but somehow I still manage to whiff 50% of my attacks. Even worse, I sometimes get stuck underneath him and can't get out in time before he roars, especially when he's super charged. The camera is harder to beat than the actual boss.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Loran Darkbeast is way fucking easier to fight unlocked. Every big boss is like that, honestly.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

No, but it must be your first time if you don't understand why it has 21 end.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

fluffed up your character
What did he mean by this?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Except for Ludwig

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

PvP

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I did it. I did it, lads. I finally beat all the chalice dungeons. Off to make my first FRC

SniperWish
SniperWish

when you backstab logarius perfectly during his gay-ball summoning, but he dones't get backstabbed because fuck you and you die due to infinite damage ball
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA GOOD GAME!

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

How good is gatling gun ? I wanna make a build around it and cheese people/bosses i care not for str or skill ill simply use saw cleaver i just want maximum damage on my Gatling Gun

massdebater
massdebater

If you wanna be ruthless kill the cathedral guy . i did it for formless oedon rune and i regret it ever since

RavySnake
RavySnake

random co-op against Orphan
the host stands back as me and the other cooperator do all the work, does not participate
he comes in at the last second to score in a hit
does the "Brush Off Dust" gesture
Guy really

Skullbone
Skullbone

It's alright in pvp if you focus around putting pressure on the enemy or as a finisher, but it's not quite reliable as a pure damage dealer.

It's not viable in PvP at all though, it doesn't do anywhere near enough damage to take down a boss.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

fucking got 'em, mate.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Those kinds of hosts are the ones that I either purposely lead the boss to or just blank out. If they aren't going to fight, then neither will I.

askme
askme

I play unlocked and use mash R1 using the pimp cane. He goes down so quickly. Just walk up to him, roll when he does his swipes to end up underneath him, mash R1.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

literally the shittiest version of FO
when there's a better one right over his head
That's not ruthless, that's just murderhoboing.

Soft_member
Soft_member

throw a molotov at him
?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Anyone? I'm BL67, if it matters.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Yeah, the Dark Beasts are one of the bosses you should fight with out lock on, the other most notable one being the BLBs.

High five, bro!

Methnerd
Methnerd

Have you ever faced Grumpy Pete and his wheel emporium in a fight club?

I once got rapid poisoned and slow poisoned in two attacks, then rapid poisoned again.

Soft_member
Soft_member

How much damage were you doing to him? I hit him for around 300-400 and he has like 21k hp. I can only get 1 hit in, 2 if I'm lucky since he moves around so much while I'm under him.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I just killed Master Willem for his rune and I feel really bad about it.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Putting the closest thing in BB to a potato out of misery
Good work

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I use an arc build. My fire cane hits about 450-550. He stuns quickly, keep mashing. He is actually ridiculously easy once you play unlocked. Just get the roll timing for his AOE attack down and you are good to go.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It's one of those bosses that I know when to dodge every attack but still get hit through it. His attacks are so telegraphed and easy to read but somehow still hits through my iframes.

Evilember
Evilember

how do i build 50/50

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

What was Rom like before she ascended

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

He's responsible for everything in the game happening.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Why did they make the Great Pthumeru Chalice such a joke after the Cursed and Defiled Pthumeru Chalice was so hard?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Not him but MW didn't really want Laurence and the church going hog wild with the old blood. Maybe he led to it happening due to his discoveries and founding Byrgenwerth but he certainly didn't approve of it.

Supergrass
Supergrass

implying that he didn't deserve to suffer for what he did to Our Mother Kos

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Because the Cursed and Defiled chalice exists to serve as a taste of what end-game spelunking will be like. Hard as balls the whole way through.
Just be thankful that it was Cursed Pthumeru, not Cursed Lower Loran or Cursed Isz.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

2016
not being an ayylmao
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

TechHater
TechHater

But after Great PC, you've fought all the unique chalice bosses, so...isn't spelunking over?

iluvmen
iluvmen

The bosses in Defiled are super easy. The bosses in the following chalices are harder. "Hard bosses in easy levels" and "easy bosses in hard levels" has been a thing since DeS.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

No, not unless you want FRC gems. You make FRC Depth 5 chalice dungeons and spelunk/farm them. Imagine Lower Loran and Great Isz, but with the health penalty of Defiled Pthumeru, and far worse. FRC Ihyll, Isz, and Loran is where things get real. Defiled Pthumeru is easy as fuck.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Not even close. It's barely even begun at that point, to be honest. Half of the reason to go spelunking is for the top-tier gems, the other half is for the fun of it.
Given the fact that as long as you've got the resources, you can continue creating fresh, uncharted chalice dungeons, the potential for dungeon crawling is effectively infinite. If you're the kinda guy (like me) who likes dungeon crawling, then I can guarantee that CRF dungeons will be a source of entertainment and fun for a looooooong time.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Well the concept of a top tier to the gems kind of rubs me the wrong way.. I like the idea of always wondering what the next gem drop will be and if it will be better than my current ones, whereas if I analytically read up on how exactly to get the best gems possible in the game, a lot of that interest is lost.

Are the unique resources that don't respawn or drop from enemies (bastards of loran, red jellies, etc) to create the chalices a diminishing resource, such that you can create a chalice dungeon and not get back anywhere close to what you put into it? What does one do then?

takes2long
takes2long

If it weren't for Willem's dissatisfaction with the limitations of human intellect, a personal problem of an arrogant scholar, he wouldn't have started digging around the Labyrinths, never would have learned of the Eldritch Truth or found the Old Blood.

And besides, he can disapprove of the use of blood all he wants, he was still excavating the skulls of murdered villagers for eyes to prove his theories correct. Let's not forget, too, that the Choir and Mensis are the continuation of Byrgenwerth's ideals and experiments - human experimentation is the name of the game, blood or no. 'Evolution without courage', without sacrifice and the will to succeed.

It all leads back to Willem. If it weren't for him, the Pthumerian civilization and its unspeakable truths would have remained mouldering underground until such a time that maybe humanity would be ready, we can only hope.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

But he was just sitting there on his favorite rocking chair, barely doing anything even though he transcended humanity. Though I was a little sketched out that his chair disappeared along with him. I didn't kill him on my first run, but I never went back to Byrgenwerth after Rom. Does he just sit there still?

Illusionz
Illusionz

You go into NG+ if you want to actually do spelunking on the regular. In NG+ you can buy ALL chalice materials through a combination of Insight and Blood Echoes. There's also the SRRC and Glyphs for those times you do happen to be running low on materials or resources.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

You don't need to look up glyphs for specific chalices to know that the best gems only drop in the deepest chalices.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

You'll find ritual materials in the FRCs you spelunk, but certain ones are a bit rarer. I personally have a hard time coming across Yellow Backbones, but Sage's Hairs and Bastards of Loran are plentiful.
What does one do then?
You can either move to NG+ to spend insight on new ritual materials, or just do what I do when I'm low on FRC materials and just spelunk a random FRC chalice on the public server. They don't consume any materials, so you'll be making a profit from what you do find in them, as well as the benefit of spelunking.

Spamalot
Spamalot

For yellow Baxkbone just kill Sword+Shield chalice Knights. I amassed 99 of them while farming scorpions for poison gems, one of the Knights was nearby and dropped Yellow Backbone about 70% of the time.

FastChef
FastChef

But if the chalices absolutely need to be FRC for the absolute top tier gems to even have a chance to drop then that's a bit more arcane than the less specific "chances of better gem drops on depth 5."

I have some phys attack +19% or so gems that dropped way before I got to depth 5 though, so depth 5 chalices haven't entirely been that great of a gem endeavor for me.

Makes sense then. I wasn't aware that NG+ made more chalice materials buyable

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

For anyone who didn't know, Udon are doing a 250 page artbook for Bloodborne early next year.

Not hardcover though, unfortunately.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Yeah, I know. I only encounter Sword+Shield warriors once in a blue moon in my chalices. Rarely seen them throughout all my spelunking, but I'll make sure to farm them whenever I find one again.
Still looking for a fucking hole digger enemy, the elusive unicorn of chalice dungeons.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

source of entertainment

Not that guy, but I just got around to making some myself. I can get through most of them just fine, but some dungeons just seem impossible without co-op. 2 bell maidens summoning spiders from the git go, 2 NPC's, fire witches spamming at you, old keeper with his dumb ass dogs all in the same room. What the fuck am I supposed to do? Also found random HMPH fuckers wandering about. How can you beat all these fucks and still make it with enough vials to the boss. Running past everything feels lame.

viagrandad
viagrandad

I have some phys attack +19%
Those aren't even better than the gems you get in the DLC.

Depth 5 FRC chalices are where you find the best gems most of the time. Just run those if you don't want to look up specific glyphs or you are playing offline.

iluvmen
iluvmen

I have some phys attack +19% or so gems that dropped way before I got to depth 5 though, so depth 5 chalices haven't entirely been that great of a gem endeavor for me

You can get 20.3% physicals (24% blunt/thrust) before Amelia. Depth 5 FRC is 27%, the difference is noticable.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

ywn sit on a rocking chair overlooking a lake, contemplating life and its mysteries for the rest of your life

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Was this all in the same dungeon? If so, do you still have the glyph? I'd like to see this hell-portal disguised as a chalice dungeon.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Anyone wanna help me fight living failures or maria ?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Just learn to deal with them, lure them away. For spiders, just locate the source and hightail it to the bell maiden. You'll learn to do it all on your own. Tons of persistence is all you need. And sometimes, running past things really is the best option to save you from the pain.
5wj2xkmkx
Glyph above was a particularly grueling chalice. 3 fucking Bone Ash Hunters in the first layer, Pthumerian Elder as the Layer 2 boss, and the Layer 3 pre-lamp area had a whopping 3 fucking bell maidens all spawning red spiders.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I'm glad people are still playing this game, much better than the boring mess that was DS3

DeathDog
DeathDog

you've transcended humanity and have control over things people can't even understand
so you say fuck it and make your favorite chair a part of your body for maximum comf

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Hell, no. Deleted that shit right away. I'm not into S&M. BTW, the HMPH fuckers were not in that particular dungeon though, I absolutely dread them when cursed.

TechHater
TechHater

Does using the gatling gun beside an evelyn in pvp have any extra utility that the evelyn doesn't have?

likme
likme

While the difference between say 19 and 27 may be noticeable, the extra 8% just doesn't really make me that covetous. Especially not enough to just keep going into the same chalice and grinding enemies over and over hoping for a drop. Mostly I just take what I get along the way of progression

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Damn it, I was hoping to engage in some top-tier suffering.

Snarelure
Snarelure

That's what I am saying. The DLC Frenzy Dolls drop 22s. So anything less than 22 from chalices is a waste, especially since the Frenzy Dolls drop droplet gems, which can fit in pretty much all slot shapes.

DeathDog
DeathDog

the extra 8%
with three gems that adds up to 24, or about the equivalent of one more gem

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Checking that glyph out. I once had three goddamn hunters and a cannon Undead Giant in the same big room. But, I gave that up entirely. It was absolutely unbelievable. I wish I still had the glyph.

takes2long
takes2long

is a bl4 run worth it?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Not really. It is basically just a don't get hit run. Gems take most of the challenge out of it.

Skullbone
Skullbone

BB is the easiest soulsborne game. I was never able to get through NG+ in DeS, DaS and DaS2 was as hard as a ng+ so I wouldn't even attempt that shit. But I got to the end of ng+ in BB easily. There are no roadblock bosses. It's just so easy.

Was I playing the souls games wrong by going medium roll rather than fast roll? Is BB essentially a fastroll game? But that still wouldn't speed up the sippy animation to BB vialbreak levels.

Techpill
Techpill

That glyph doesnt sound too bad. My pure arc build does really well in nasty dungeons. As long as they dont have lethal combinations of enemies in the same room, I'm fine. You know like a couple of NPC's while witches on the second floor are throwing fireballs at you.

MPmaster
MPmaster

BB is the easiest soulsborne game.
I think it was one of the hardest, actually, especially for Vets because they have to spend a decent amount of time unlearning shit.

Was I playing the souls games wrong by going medium roll rather than fast roll?
Most definitely.

But that still wouldn't speed up the sippy animation to BB vialbreak levels.
Doesn't need too. The DaS bosses had patterns and predictable recoveries. You could easily pop a heal during those recovery times.

TreeEater
TreeEater

There's no way in he'll BB is easier than DaS3
I only died to 3 bosses on my virgin run in that one, and only one of them more than once

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I agree, it is the easiest game, but I still love it the most. I think because it was the last game in the series I played and already mastered the way to play these games.

I found Nameless King the only hard boss in DS3, but think he is ten times harder than Kos, Ludwig etc. The iframes in DS3 and BB are just too good.

SniperWish
SniperWish

The dodges in BB are roughly around the fast rolls in DaS in terms of iframes, I think.
Fast rolling completely trivializes the first Dark Souls, nothing is even close to fast enough to react to your movement speed when you reach that point.
Even so, I never had trouble with NG+ in Dark Souls while midrolling, but having crazy high STR and the Demon's Greataxe no doubt helped a bit.
Demon's Souls has an insane jump in difficulty between NG and NG+, so that's to be expected.
NG+ in BB is a pretty small difficulty increase, comparatively.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Nigga was a mushroom that couldn't even talk. What was that nasty, spooky fucker even turning into? Did he even know? I think he points us towards to Rom so we can fuck over Mensis, the final remaining splinter of Byrgenwerth, because he's discovered that this shit was not worth it. So, wipe it all out and let it be forgotten.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Phtumerian Descendant, Phtumeru Ihyll, LVL.105 ringing at the lamp L1, the pass is bbg, anyone up for it?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Should I go 30str/15skl/50blt for a bloodtinge build or should I just focus on skill and bloodtinge? My main weapon will be the bloodletter which only scales blt when tricked but I'd like to use other weapons too so I'm wondering if I should go strength for big guns or skill for more weapons

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I think it was one of the hardest, actually
Why? I mean what are the bosses that just block progress? Plus BB has tons of optional areas which means even if you're stuck at one boss you can go off and do some optional areas to gain more echoes which will incrementally help you overcome that boss. That's a lot more friendly than one boss just blocking progress to the next area and there's nothing else for you to do but keep trying or actually grinding in the same old areas you've been through.

The DaS bosses had patterns and predictable recoveries. You could easily pop a heal during those recovery times.
Theoretically perhaps, but--at least for me--in practice it never is quite that simple or else I wouldn't die at all unless I got stunlocked

I agree, it is the easiest game, but I still love it the most.
Same. It's far more visceral and action oriented. At first I was kind of put off by not being able to upgrade attire and less weapons but I got over that because the combat just feels better.

Even so, I never had trouble with NG+ in Dark Souls while midrolling, but having crazy high STR and the Demon's Greataxe no doubt helped a bit.
DaS ng+ I was able to make it pretty far but Ornstein and Smough put an end to that. If I had gotten past them I would've been able to beat the game probably unless the DPS Check Kings require much much higher DPS in ng+.

Emberfire
Emberfire

BB seems to have far fewer cheese methods than any other souls games though. Magic doesn't get strong until late game, the bleed equivalent (which is how I took a twink with +4 weapons to ng+ with ease in das3) is utterly worthless, and the highest damage gems are locked behind chalice dungeons
Once you know the ins and outs of the other games it's a breeze, with the exception of das2

RavySnake
RavySnake

It's the hardest because of variable combos on the parts of the bosses and and having to unlearn most of what you know from the previous games.

It's not theoretical. It is truth. You could just bait out an attack, roll away, then heal during their attacks and recover and there was nothing they could do.

If you weren't fast rolling or flipping then you were doing it wrong.

BB has plenty of cheese. Papers + BBP + Saw Spear is the standard cheese, and there are boss specific cheeses too.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Cheesing is something one shouldn't even try to do on the first playthrough though.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

O&S really just require an incredible amount of patience on higher NG levels. Their solo forms really don't become any more difficult.
Four Kings on the other hand get absolutely absurd after NG+.and beyond. With an AR above 700 I could just barely keep up with them by tanking on NG++. I can't even imagine what NG+7 is like.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

sure omw

Emberburn
Emberburn

far fewer cheese methods

I feel everything that is not humanoid has not the best AI in Souls games. Just hug their ass or stay underneath them, I always found the monster bosses the easy ones in every Souls game. They definitely can be cheesed and outsmarted easily.

Humanoid bosses just lend themselves for better AI, e.g. Fume Knight, Nameless and O&S. Kos was the hardest fight in BB and he is humanoid too.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I'm ringing now

Playboyize
Playboyize

Thx.

massdebater
massdebater

Paper + Pellets is a cheese

No it's not, it's just a powerful setup using basic items the way they were intended to be used.

BB has almost no real cheeses, Pthumerian Descendant getting stunlocked by Blacksky Eye and killing abhorrent using 20 poison knives and running in circles being the only two I can think of.

And even then, nothing compares to using arrows from outside the fog wall in DeS, or getting bosses stuck on geometry.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Amygdala jump cheese?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Thanks boss.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

cheers bigears
I'm on standby if you need help on BLB

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

or getting bosses stuck on geometry
You can cheese Gascoigne till his beast phase by using the gravestones, though. His retarded AI will just attempt to run through them.

King_Martha
King_Martha

It's the hardest because of variable combos on the parts of the bosses
So sometimes 3 swipes and sometimes 5 and the like? I'm kind of ambivalent on that for some reason. Like it could be annoying getting caught in it but I never felt it really made a BB boss much, much harder than it would be otherwise. Mostly what gets me is just enormous hitbox attacks like some Vicar Amelia swipes. No idea why Amygdala was easy for me though given when I fought him in Chalice it was 20x harder than the regular battle and he has said enormous hitbox attacks. Could be I fought him late since I didn't go to NF early.

and having to unlearn most of what you know from the previous games.
I guess not playing a souls game for around a year before playing BB helped me? Also I'm not a heavy PVP 'lifestyle' player so I have far less muscle memory in them.

It's not theoretical. It is truth. You could just bait out an attack, roll away, then heal during their attacks and recover and there was nothing they could do.
It doesn't always work. Sometimes you'll think you're far enough away and the boss will rush in fast enough to interrupt the heal. Happened a lot to me in the Smelter Demon (his room is just too small for me), Ruin Sentinels and Royal Rat Authority in das2.

If you weren't fast rolling or flipping then you were doing it wrong.
I guess I just so wanted those larger defense numbers, but fatrolling felt bad so I had to avoid that.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

What kind of gems do I want for moonlight greatsword?

Nojokur
Nojokur

WE HAVE LINKS IN THE OP FOR A REASON

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I'd just go physical on it so star/tri/star. Maybe some arcaners would want to do an arcane build for it but I feel like the arcane damage is tempered by the fact that the two handed mode has higher stamina costs and a worse moveset than 1 handed in many cases

w8t4u
w8t4u

Nourishing gems.
Read the fucking OP.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

How about you read the fucking OP. It says no gays allowed.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Alright, I'll be on for 3 more hours so I'll let you know.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Nourishing abyssals. 21.5% attack up triangle and waning from Amygdala, 19.5% attack up radial from Rom. You can replace the radial with a 19.3% radial with a -50% secondary from gargoyles if you don't feel like putting up with FRC Rom.

Or if you're using it for the sword and not the moonbeams, a heavy abyssal and two 27% temperings.

happy_sad
happy_sad

S Spear + Paper + Pellets is a cheese
Correct. Pop a pellet, apply a paper, tap r1, then spam L1 to infinity and beyond.

Amy Jump Cheese
Hotdog Nose Bop cheese
Gascan Gravestone Cheese
Gascan Music Box + Molotov Cheese
Just standing in Cleric Beast's ass crack cheese
BSB cocktail cheese
Maria corner trapping cheese
etc.

Sometimes you'll think you're far enough away and the boss will rush in fast enough to interrupt the heal
I said during a recover, not "when standing far away,"

I guess I just so wanted those larger defense numbers, but fatrolling felt bad so I had to avoid that.
Which really just proves you had no idea what you were doing.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Is the tentacle arm a viable weapon for either PvP or PvE?

likme
likme

I said during a recover, not "when standing far away,"
Smelter Demon can recover and then flame sword your ass from across the room. He's done it to me.

Which really just proves you had no idea what you were doing.
Well you see that's a difficulty issue in, DeS, DaS and DaS2. You need to unlearn RPG "I want higher numbers" mentalities from past games and know to trust only the fastroll. In BB it just gives you easy mode by not giving you any choice but fastroll

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Arcfags think it is but they mostly just want to be able to cheese with 99 arc and tools

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

DaS2 was a shit game in general.

You need to unlearn RPG "I want higher numbers" mentalities from past games
False. "Not getting hit" has always been superior to "get hit but take reduced damage per hit."

It's good for CC. Axe is still better though.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

killed Simon
Asshole

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

False. "Not getting hit" has always been superior to "get hit but take reduced damage per hit."
I'm talking about RPGs where you can't "not get hit" (barring automatic misses due to accuracy/evade checks) and where the numbers are all. You have to unlearn behaviors like that to learn the truth of fastroll. It doesn't help that every guide I ever saw for DeS and DaS said midroll was acceptable.

Inmate
Inmate

You're just shit

RumChicken
RumChicken

Kiddo, even in DnD you had options to roll for additional dodge chances and shit, and this isn't an rng attack/dodge system. It is an Action RPG, where you control whether you get hit or not.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Level 150: Don’t go here unless you are autistic.

I've naturally made it to level 180 from chalice dungeon exploring on a non PVP character. Am I autistic?

Inmate
Inmate

non PVP
Doesn't matter. You can go as high as you want.

TechHater
TechHater

I'm talking JRPGs :^)

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Arcane here, yup. He has killed me about 7 times now without me even taking 30% of his life. Ringing again at the bell.

Methshot
Methshot

Does anyone wanna fight living failures with me ? BL 40 here

JunkTop
JunkTop

cheers, ringing

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

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takes2long
takes2long

I thought they fixed both of these

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Thanks, I want to try Yharman alone, if she seems impossible I'll post.

askme
askme

Sure what pass?

likme
likme

Pass is bbg2349

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Rang by the boss gate

DeathDog
DeathDog

Omw i was chilling by simon

MPmaster
MPmaster

I rang my bell