Examples of iconic sleepers of the 1990's: 1989-1999 Ford Taurus SHO 1991-1994 Chevrolet Lumina Euro 3.4 1997-2004 Buick Regal GS 1995-1999 Nissan Maxima
>AWD (Yes, Haldex, but under acceleration is 50/50 torque distribution. Look it up) >270hp >Amazing suspension (Double Wishbone front, Multilink Rear) >Comfy as fuck >Looks like a sportier Mazda 6 >Muh MZR 2.3L DI T with all forged internals and 14lbs of boost stock
The Mazdaspeed 6 is heavy, yes, but it throws around its weight quite capably. Compared to the MS3, it's comfier and won't break your back every time you hit a bump. It was a touring car produced for only two years.
Lucas Kelly
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Isaac Edwards
Toyota Aristo.
Contains the 2JZGTE, 276 HP crank, I don't knof if the Gentlemen's agreement also applied to Aristos aswell, I know it did with the MK4 Supra.
Gavin Martin
Not a GM fan at all, but the Chevy SS is definitely a sleeper Normies will just think its an impala, Having no clue about the LS engine it has
Josiah Gray
Fusion sport >300+ hp >AWD
Gavin Hall
The 1997-1999 Chevrolet Lumina LTZ. In 1997, it was available with either the 3100 V6 or the 3.4L DOHC V6 (though only 7 3.4L cars have been confirmed to have been built). In 1998, the 3.4L option was replaced by the 3.8L 3800 series 2 V6, and in 1999 the 3.8L became standard. Should you get a 3.8L 98 or 99 model, you can top swap it to supercharge it easily. It's the same basic V6 as the Buick Regal in OP's video
Adam Sanchez
could probably extend the maxima to 2003 before it got pig fat, also 3.5L altima up to 2006
Carson Ramirez
agreed. Also the Infiniti I30 and I35
Adrian Cooper
GTO refresh has insane build potential
Robert Bell
V6 accord V6 Camry V6 rav4 Pontiac's with a variation of the letters G T P X R
Aiden Parker
I own a 96 5 speed. Fastest $1200 ive ever sat in
Thomas Brown
Looks like a normal audi sedan, has a Lamborghini derived v10 with 435hp
Lincoln Russell
The Godfather of all sleepers.
Jaxson Richardson
There's a wagon of these in my city. Took me a while to spot at first.
Carter Morales
I know it's a meme, but fuck I want to know what's under that hood.
Evan Hall
632 with the Smurf juice.
Kevin Harris
It must be a bomb load of squeeze because even if the chassis is prepped, that can't be a light truck.
John Rogers
you'd be surprised what happens to a car when you throw slicks on it
Adrian Sullivan
This thing. The first generation Skoda Superb. These have massive sleeper potential, and here's why: It's a B5 VW Passat with its wheelbase stretched by about 10cm (~4"). The B5 VW Passat just so happens to be one of the few generations of Passat that's very closely related to its up-market cousin, the Audi A4. Where most Passats share a lot of characteristics with the Golf (transverse engine, Haldex AWD option, McPherson suspension) the B5 uses Audi's longitudinal engine layout, multilink front suspension, and proper full-time Torsen AWD. It also borrows its rear suspension (and front seat mounting points, for some bizarre reason) from the A6. And so does the Skoda.
This means you can basically stuff the entire drivetrain from an S4 or RS4 (a twin turbo 2.7l V6 and a 6-speed manual transmission) into a fucking Skoda. Or the A6/A8's 4.2l V8. In a fucking Skoda.
Camden Thompson
I'm not surprised because I've been there. On the show, yes "on the show," the truck walks legitimately fast cars.
All hails the cheap VQ V6 of choice. Any plans to swap the VQ30 with a VQ35?
Zachary Thomas
It's weight and long wheelbase helps it put the power down. Sort of why Tesla's are so quick, they got weight and traction.
Christian Rodriguez
Nice Hondas!
Jaxon White
Its my winter beater so beyond simple handling mods/repairs i dont have any long term plans for it. If it treats we well this season ill keep it long term, but that depends on if i can nail down this mystery electrical problem.
Only mods done to it currently are a sick shift knawb and a straight pipe. New exedy clutch is going in come spring time.
John Edwards
There's a guy in my town with a boosted 90's Ford Ranger. Not sure if he did an engine swap or what, just saw him do a crazy burnout and could hear the turbo. I've got a 260bhp miata, but it looks pretty rice so not that much of a sleeper.
Anthony Lewis
>There's a guy in my town with a boosted 90's Ford Ranger. Not sure if he did an engine swap or what, just saw him do a crazy burnout and could hear the turbo. the 2.3 and 2.5L 4 cylinder engines are in the same engine family as the 2.3L Turbos from the Ford Mustang SVO and the Ford Thunderbird Turbo. So it's entirely plausibly he just turbocharged the stock 4 cylinder in the Ranger.
James Young
bump for sleeper love
Colton Martinez
Hopefully when I swap a built 302 into my ferd out will be a mild sleeper. I'm going to try to get an exhaust shop to install electric exhaust cutouts.
Easton Sullivan
What happens when you take a Buick Century wagon with rod knock...
Tyler Thomas
...yank it
Logan Richardson
...and put this in in its place?
Oliver Ross
>3500 Nice. That SHOULD drop right into place. Now throw boost at it.
Brandon Ramirez
1st gem m45.
Most people have no clue what it is around my area, there are barely any on the road. It looks like a simple 4 door sedan (i like the look).
No one would suspect it's got 340hp and near equal torque with a 0-60 of around 5.7 sec.
It's pretty hilarious when you blow the doors off a racerboy in this thing.
Joshua Jackson
Well, not much, really. But with this ONE WEIRD TRICK I knocked 3/4 of a second off my 1/4 mile ET.
Bentley Hughes
01+ top swap?
Jaxon Morgan
It absolutely dropped back in. Stock mounts, stock transmission, '97 Monte Carlo PCM, minor wiring mods, and many other GM Legos later, it's a lot quicker than it was before.
Charles Campbell
Complete LX9 swap with an LG8 upper for fooling the smog testers.
Chase Sanders
Next step is to throw a torsen diff, 3.55 gears & a good exhaust into it.
I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do.
Oliver Jones
That is cool. I wish I had a 3500 A-body shaggin' wagon
Brandon Price
I could nerd you off this board explaining the whole thing, but the key aspect is this is a 1996. The things I did to make it work will probably only work in a '96. Less than 8000 Century wagons were made in '96.
That's not to say it can't be done in earlier cars. I just don't have any experience.
Jacob Robinson
It could theoretically be done with 94-95 cars as well. 94-95 cars use OBD1.5 but OBD2 conversions, at least on the W-body scene, are pretty commonplace, so it's all laid out to convert those to OBD2.
Nolan Adams
I have a stupid question
would there be anyway to mess around with a 1993 lumina with the 3.1 engine? i kinda want to do a summer project this year.
my current idea is a 3.4 or 3.8 swap, but i'd like to hear some ideas.
Adam Carter
> Now throw boost at it. Later. Much later. HD transmission first. The 4T60E is the weakest link. I will probably end up doing an NA build though. Nothing mad, like 200 hp to the wheels.
Brody Jenkins
Subaru legacy b-4 wagons. looks like a typical grocery getter that your outdoorsy neighbor might drive. But oh no, 280 hp twin sequential turbos along with awd. Oh boy. This one was only 5000$ canadian.
Juan Richardson
3400 swap is doable. It's even possible to run it on the stock computer, afaik. Great upgrade path.
3800 is possible as well, but is more involved. Depends on how comfortable you are with wiring.
Brandon Roberts
>would there be anyway to mess around with a 1993 lumina with the 3.1 engine? yes. You could gain a good amount of power swapping to 3400 heads and intake manifolds (use the 3400 headgaskets). Bolts right on and it should give you close to 200 HP... IF and only IF you have an ECU chip burnt for the changes. These guys will do custom chips IIRC. wot-tech.com/88-93-2-8/3-1-grand-prix-/-lumina-/-cutlass-/-regal-performance-chip.html
Why swap the engine when the 3.1 is a perfectly fine building block?
Isaiah Gomez
This There are 5 Rangers here in my town with a 2.3L turbo swap
Carter Wood
>high performance >1989-1999 Ford Taurus SHO >1991-1994 Chevrolet Lumina Euro 3.4 >1997-2004 Buick Regal GS >1995-1999 Nissan Maxima
John Collins
2011+ Chrysler 300C and SRT8
Both being rwd, 300C can be had with the 5.7 L V8 with 375 hp/395 lb-ft and 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds while the SRT8 version came with the Apache 6.4 L V8 making 475 hp/470 lb-ft and 0-60 mph in 4.3 seconds.
Only downside is they are automatic only and Chrysler discontinued the 300 SRT version for God knows why....yet they still sell it in the middle east.
Daniel King
i'm new to all of this desu, still trying to learn. i thought that Veeky Forums might be a good starting point to get some broader information. i'll have to look into it though, this stuff is really interesting
that's about what i figured. thanks for the info
Eli Lopez
oh look. someone who's never been taken by surprise by those things at the stop light grand prix.
Xavier Davis
60degreev6.com is pretty much the only site that focuses on modifying the 3.1 and 3.4 engines. If you're set on one of those, go there.
Brayden Ortiz
GM FWD V6 cars are almost all related (with the exception of the 3.8L 3800) so it can be a bit like playing with legos with the 2.8/3.1/3.4 DOHC/3100/3400/3500/3900
THIS. Those guys know what they're talking about. The site is exclusive to GM 60* V6 engines like yours.
Jaxson Long
>The site is exclusive to GM 60* V6 engines like yours. Yeah, as long as it's a W- or N-body or a Fiero. They were absolutely no help during my Century swap. Something Awful was more helpful than those elitists.
Daniel Gonzalez
His Lumina is a W-body, and your A-body is similar enough to a W-body.
Ethan Richardson
>GM 60 degree V6 circlejerk out of fucking nowhere
Christian Smith
>circlejerk
it's a discussion
Nicholas Ward
The only assistance I got, and granted it helped secure my Monte Carlo PCM, was a wiring diagram of the Century and MC PCMs so I could have the MC PCM repinned for my stock harness. No other suggestions, tips, tricks, or cautionary tales were offered.
Carson Hernandez
because no one else has experience with swapping an A-body.
Bentley Powell
I suppose you are correct...
holy shit someone admitting they're wrong on the internet
David Price
so question. instead of swapping to a 4T65eHD transmission, why not switch to a Getrag F23 5 speed manual from a 2000-2002 2200 J-body Sunfire/Cavalier? granted you would need custom transmission mounts, but the F23 has proven nearly bulletproof in both the J-body and Delta car communities. You have a 97 MC PCM so you can use HPTuners to eliminate all data pertaining to the automatic transmission.
Sebastian Jenkins
Manual swapping an A-body takes a lot more work than, say, a Cavalier. Custom axles, custom mounts, modified pedal box from another car, modified shifter from another car, modified shifter cable from another car, trying to find a non-shifter A-body steering column... Much more effort than I'm willing to put in to make my overall driving experience worse. An automatic is much easier for city driving in Las Vegas. (inb4 le epic auto vs manual meme)
Eli Myers
fair enough. I never looked into the A-body, but I know that variant of the F23 bolts right up to the 60* V6's and is common for 3800 swaps into Fieros.
Grayson Mitchell
yeah, the transmission bolts on no problem. it's just everything else that gets in the way.
David Nguyen
and for the record, I have Milzy Motorsports on the hook to rebuild my stock transmission into a 4T60E-HD. Not 65. Only mod is a passenger side axle (because of the different differential) and he will supply that. Should hold up to city driving, occasional drag racing, hauling eight people, towing another of my broke down hoopdies, etc., just fine.
Blake White
5 series wagons are pretty decent stock.
Too bad the US only gets the 540 for the E39 and 535 for the E61.
The tuned Flex's are also pretty decent.
Anthony Bennett
Boss took an '83 Buick Century sedan and swapped in a 3800 Series II and trans. That thing was a blast
Juan Kelly
bump
Adrian Sullivan
It's a slow board fucko
Mason Miller
Considering pulling everything out of the $600 rustbucket and swapping into a ranger or Bronco II
Nicholas Carter
Don't do a Bronco II, try and find a Ranger Splash
Jacob Wood
>average Australian car
Aiden Russell
>toyota aristo? Are you fkn joking? Sleeper? Maybe if you don't know anything about Jap cars.
Hudson Kelly
Too bad the 1mz-fe is stronger, lighter and better. Whoops
hey how's that MZ aftermarket support? whoops. You are now aware GM's 3100 has more aftermarket support than Toyota's MZ engine.
Jace Howard
Sounds pretty good, what i'm more interested in is just how restrictive the original is compared to a decent true dual setup with only 2 high flow mufflers, compared to the original 3, a resonator and that goddamned closeoff valve.
Caleb Ward
And most people don't, they'll think it's some generic grocery getting landbarge GS300.
Grayson Fisher
>smurf juice
>bomb load of squeeze
>"on the show" >the truck walks legitimately fast cars
What the fuck am I reading?
Joshua Harris
I want to build a Volvo 780 sleeper As far as stock sleepers go the early s80/60's with the t6 and manual are pretty good
Wyatt Gray
>I want to build a Volvo 780 sleeper enthrall us with what you would do to build such a car.
Andrew Ross
No
Henry Gomez
why not?
Nathaniel Foster
What is it about sleepers that draws you guys? For me it's the sheer hilarity of having near supercar-levels of power at the crank in a 20 year old shitbox - something normies will never understand.
Brody Martin
The most powerful French saloon ever made
Justin Foster
for me, I suppose it's sort of a great revenge when you manage to shut up the people who made fun of it.
Zachary Moore
Because it's exactly what everyone else already does to 240s and 740s
Nathan Wilson
swap in an 5.3 LS V8?
Ryder Sanchez
It'll be fun to see how confused the guys around here with new Camaros and Mustangs look when they get walked by a rusted out 30 year old 4 cylinder thunderbird
Bentley Torres
kek
Levi Sullivan
Lol yep, it would need a trans swap as well since 780s were auto only iirc