Tesla 3 thoughts?

It's only $35k just pay cash.

Not that it matters as it's vapourware, one hell of a Ponzi scheme you have to give musk his dews he can jew people like a champ.

Yeah it's also good if your batteries to last a year or less. People in the RC world have been dealing with these issues for along time. When you use your batteries like capacitors they don't last very long.

It probably also has a lower dust to dust environmental impact.

What do you think happens to the internal resistance of a battery as you increase the charging current? What impact do you think that has on the current required to charge the battery and what other side effects do you think it has?

insuring an all electric car that literally just came out isnt cheap and you are a child so it will be doubly expensive

Electric cars pollute less

Only at the point of use. There is significantly more embedded CO2 in a BEV, large scale fossil fuel use to generate the electricity to charge them and the efficiency chain from chemical to kinetic energy is much longer and filled with low efficiency transformations. Go and perform a life cycle analysis on a Tesla and an equivalent say BMW and you will see the "Electric cars pollute less" simply isn't true, it is a very convenient lie for those looking to move the global energy base away from oil rich nations (the middle east) to coal rich ones (the USA), but we are moving away from the engineering facts into geo political speculation there.

>only at point of use
Nope. Electric cars pollute more to be produced but that is immediately negated by the fact that they have no tailpipe emissions.

>go and perform a life cycle analysis on a Tesla and an equivalent say BMW and you will see the "Electric cars pollute less" simply isn't true,
Nope, you'll actually see the exact opposite.

Also, electric cars pollute more or less depending on what country they're being used in. In places such as the U.S, Europe that have adopted renewable sources of energy they pollute FAR less.

You have no clue what you're talking about. go back to reading your breitbart magazines. kys

Keked harder than I should have.
Thanks for that.

however they are practically worse

i'd rather use ICE+alcohol fuels+extensive emissions control equipment

at that point, tailpipe emissions can be negated by infrastructure changes encouraging people to stop driving literally everywhere

also Co2 is a non-pollutant. who cares if americans starve? russia will prosper!

troll, or retarded

Electric is probably best for things like urban buses and delivery trucks right now. Or those trial car rental schemes in cities. The less diesel exhaust in cities the better.

What I want to know is why so few hybrids just use a small engine as a generator to power the motors/charge axillary batteries. Much more simple than a regular hybrid and the engine is always running at its most efficient speed.

350 yo must be under 25 or a reallly bad driver

go on call any insurance company and ask for a quote, you wont get it anywhere near what you think you will get this isnt some cheap commuter car

this is basicly the same as an entry level mercedes, it is by no means cheap on any level to own

Just quoted tesla s70d and bmw 535d for insurance

75$/month for tesla
110$/for bmw

you must be a young lad
35k is nothing
350/month blanket cost is inaccurate
i know literally zero people who have that cheap of a mortgage
stay in school mang
you gots lots of learning to do

It's a 35k 4 door sedan, I'm pretty sure it'd still be in a low rate group... I bet a Subaru costs 2-3x more to insure. Most trucks cost more than than 35k.

>ghetto gas stations
America problems. I've never been scared to fill up anywhere in Germany, and as far as I know there's not a single station where you can't fill up first and then pay.

>no more fun

>No more ghetto gas stations?
WTF are you talking about are you on crack?

>I've never been scared to fill up anywhere in Germany

I would be with all those 'Gees running around

>as I know there's not a single station where you can't fill up first and then pay.

Just wait till they make that against Sharia law.

At least where im from electric cars are dirt cheap to insure.

>OMG, 35K is alot
>$350 insurance

You are either poor, a kid, stupid, or all three.

do you not live around any ghetto gas stations? these shit stations in the middle of nowhere that are the only option at 11pm in some areas. they've got bars on the windows, all the pumps are one generation removed from needing a hand-crank, and you know the cashier has at least 3 firearms under the desk.

you didn't take a downpayment into account

That's some cheap houses. When you going to move out of Tyrone town

Not getting that car for 35k either.

A 3 year loan?

With less moving parts and better battery tech coming we'll start to see 10-12 year loans on electric cars. If gas goes up they will pay for themselves.

it'll be great by its mid-cycle refresh
before that it'll be a beta test

>That's some cheap houses. When you going to move out of Tyrone town

Homes in Tyrone are actually not cheap:

zillow.com/homedetails/102-Kenmare-Row-Tyrone-GA-30290/61868456_zpid/

>350 km range
Holy shit, that's bad.

My 3 room flat cost more than 1,200$

Where do you live? Detroit? South Arizona near the border?

>not even an option for an auxillary petrol motor
that's why I love the Volt

the new London Routemasters use their engines as generators for the electric motor and batteries
Quite quickly, the battery packs failed on 80 out of the 1000 buses in service, and 200 more buses have had battery pack problems
This meant they ran the generator all the time which meant the new buses were MORE polluting than

autism/3.14159

Not sure. The Model S is extremely disappointing when you take away the EV part. The Model 3 price fits the S better. I'm just worried how barebones it'll be when the Model S is already bland as fuck.

who else just came from seeing that Easter Egg?

Anyone know if that $35k price tag is including the govt tax incentive?

i bet every single person who said 35k isnt a lot doesnt have 35k sitting around

and cannot afford a 1k a month payment

>Still doesn't charge as fast as a gas station
>Have to own a house or live near a supercharger

heavy vehicles should run on CNG not electricity if the city wants to show off how environmentally friendly it is. fuck whoever thought electric buses were a good idea. lay down tracks for light rail if you want electricity, convert to CNG, or stick with diesel.

1. no one pays off a car in three years
2. even if they did they still have an asset valued at $25k
3.$1200 gets you a 1/4 million dollar house that's not even that nice.

>>forced to drive extremely slowly, absolutely no fast acceleration
what did he mean by this? they put out a lotta torque

CNG as a road vehicle fuel should definitely be more of a thing
We got that shit coming out of our arses (literally)

What infrastructure needs built? Do you not have electricity where you live?

35k Before $7k credits,
2 year waiting list for preorder cash buyers.

If you're planning on getting it you have that long to save up a cash down payment so that your loan payments are smaller. Cause realistically you're gonna be waiting 3 years to get one.

A lot of cities suffer from brownouts and blackouts because of their shitty power grid. A bunch of people "supercharging" their shit is going to make that way worse.

I actually like teslas but let me give you dose of reality OP

>-0 to 60 is actually 6 seconds
>Build quality will be dramatically shittier than the Model S and even the Modelx(which already has a reputation for terrible build quality)
>Their will be a heavy back order from normies from preorder last year. So you wont be able to get it till 2019-2020
>Electric cars are a souless and generally boring driving experience
>Electric cars are actually not that great for the environment either since their production process is creates a lot of waste pollution, also their massive batteries are conflict minerals, with some of them being mined by children

In all honesty the hydrogen based cars seem to be the more promising alternative fuel

meme, it'll be 40-45k with decently optioned, and the interior is a fucking joke, as long as they don't make any major changes. they could also use the s/x interior, as that interior fits in a 35k car.

>No more ghetto gas stations

WTF does that mean? If you have new car money you do not live in or traverse ghettos, at all, ever. Stop trolling.

It's before incentives. 27k with IIRC.

I actually do, but because I'm not retarded I never fill up there and permanently avoid those neighborhoods ever since I discovered my vehicles have, wait for it, brilliantly designed little indicators thingies on muh dashboard that tell me how much fuel I have left!

Only option? Wigga please. I have a smart phone and can plan my fuel stops and routes. I never run below a quarter tank so my fuel pumps remain cool and happy. (I don't get paid to change my own, BTDT at the used car lot where I worked.)

>needing to fill up at 11pm
It's your own fault for not keeping an eye on the amount of fuel you have

Tesla's gonna make you give them $2,000 just to get on the wait list.

Bringing this down to $25k.

It's an econobox price.

you sound like a racist pussy

i bet you lock your door when you see black people

real life isnt gta5 people dont get snatched out of their car

I have about 65K sitting around, but I have it because I don't piss away money on new cars. I paid my mortgage off instead, run used trucks and motorcycles, and have a nice paid-for shop to fix, mod and otherwise enjoy all sorts of tech.

New cars suck delicious money away from more durable goods. Once I learned to think like a used car salesman, I regard all vehicles as shitboxes to serve me.

Don't think like a cuck, think like a pimp.

Citation needed for the conflict minerals

I'm not a pussy but I don't NEED to socialize with poor trash no matter what their color. I've social skills and get along smoovely with all colors, creeds, and superstitions. I don't need to interact with losers. I don't need them to know I exist.

>real life isnt gta5 people dont get snatched out of their car

Depends on person and location. It doesn't happen much near me, but it does happen. 99+ percent of never being a victim is avoiding losers. They have nothing to offer me and I am ALL about me.

If losers don't know you they don't know what you own, where you live, and when you aren't home. You don't "occur" to them.
If you like nigs, nig out. Near where I live they prey on each other constantly in their delightful downward spiral of self-destruction I didn't cause or contriboot to.

I don't run out of fuel because it's stupid. I don't run desperately low on fuel because it's stupid. How the fuck do people run out of gas and do it in high crime areas? Gas Buddy is a thing. So are Waze and Google Maps.

>~215 miles per charge up
Thats it?

Thats just enough to go from Albany to Boston or Albany to NYC it's not much at all you basically only get a 3 hour drive out of ot

>the insurance is going to be at least $350 a month

wtf?

do you constantly get drunk and run over people or something?

how many brand new all electric vehicles have you insured

it WILL NOT be cheap
DO call your insurance to get a quote

Why wouldn't it be like any other car?

You're just making shit up because you're a bad driver and have ludicrous rates because you have tickets and accidents

t. Still hasn't bothered to get a quote

Just because you can get liability on your CRX for $30 doesn't make any difference on the price of a real policy on a brand new market segment electric luxury vehicle, which is like nothing else on the market. So YES, it will be different to your insurer, the same way your exact car is different to them when you put any mods on it at all (which they will not cover in an accident if you don't declare and value them beforehand- which raises your rate).

>posts absolutely no evidence of tesla's being more expensive to insure beyond his retarded anecdote

>it will be different to your insurer
then why isn't the chevy volt considered for this differentiation? Because consumer reports doesn't report anything about the insurance being exorbitantly more expensive over a chevy spark for that matter.

It takes five minutes to get a quote on your mobile app. Do it, or shut the hell up.

>make extraneous claim
>proof?
>just look it up yourself!

You dumb bitch i just rekt my old car, then bought a 335i which i pay 129 a month for full coverage. Luxury cars arent more expensive to insure.

you mean lithium? It's American, mined in Nevada.

They don't use rare earth magnets. They have electromagnets in their drive motors.

And if you can afford a Tesla a few k more for a solar roof and a powerwall will make your car completely off grid

You drain battery really quickly if you accelerate even remotely fast. I drive pretty slowly and am light on the throttle so I manage to get the advertised range sometimes. It's basically like what happens with a normal petrol vehicle, except it drains battery even quicker than my fucking 5.0 V8 drains fuel under spirited driving.

Source: I drive around my mother's Model S P85D.

The hydrogen cars aren't coming for a while purely because they have no powerful working models and making hydrogen is difficult because it takes a ludicrous amount of energy to make compared to the energy you'll save

I can totally see cars doing the most ludicrously inefficient method of keeping water thats stupidly heavy then have batteries that are also stupidly heavy to do electrolysis then have it react again to make water

not him but i go on high alert when i see a black person

statistically speaking something is more likely to happen from a nignog

Hydrogen servicing would be an asspain though it's reasonably priced at industrial gas suppliers. It's a poor choice for energy storage. If ya want to run on gas, LPG and CNG are clean, much more practical options.

Electric car driving experience is purely the result of manufacturer choices. You could mod one for performance and people will as they become more common.

>Not showing off your wealth to the miserable govt. leeches

It's not like you bought a 50k< car because it has seat warmers

this
EVs are cheap to insure since insurers think all EVs are super slow shitboxes you cant possibly hoon
....although to be fair they're mostly right

>live in shithole
>blame car

Veeky Forums, everybody.
It's not my fault: the board

>literally inviting crime

Insecure manchild detected, real wealth is subtle.

>nfrastructure changes encouraging people to stop driving literally everywher

You go fuck yourself you piece of shit socialist European fuck. The independence of driving and autonomy it gives people is unique to the United States of America and is why "freedom" is so openly expressed here. No checkpoints. No EU regulations. No "you must stand here.. we will tell you what to do" as a fucking subject of an anachronistic monarchy.

I'll drive wherever the fuck I want and you can't do shit about it. Asshole.

Is that so?

Yes. The only reason to flaunt wealth is if it's literally the only interesting thing about you.

>do you have any idea how much the monthly on a 35k car is over 3 years?
The average new car purchase price is just under $50k.

$35k is VERY reasonable for a new car. Anyone that makes over $50k a year could easily swing this purchase.

>Electric cars will continue to be a gimmick until national infrastructure is in place to support them.

um, no

>Pull into walmart
>Grab extension cord out of my trunk
>Plug it into one of the outlets on the side of their building
>Wait few 10 minutes while I have a smoke
>Drive away

Just throw a gas powered generator in the trunk if your that worried about running out of juice ffs.

But that is wrong user. Every legitimate study indicates that even if you fueled it only on coal gendered power it would still be less polluting.

You guys really need to do the math on "range extenders".... Do you realize how big of a genset you'd need to "keep up" with the power it's drawing? The charger needs a 50amp 240volt supply... Good luck getting that out of a generator that fits in the trunk.

>Electric cars will continue to be a gimmick until national infrastructure is in place to support them.

90% of people do less than 15,000 miles a year and most far less than that.
fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm

if you are a totally average person who just commutes to work and to the shops and shit, EVs already beat out ICE Cars, I drive a Kia Soul EV and have never come close to running out of juice.

When I get home I just plug her in and then it charges overnight (using offpeak power to cut the charging cost to effectively ~1-2p per mile.)

>Also that range is probably based on low-load driving. An equivalent class dinosaur car has double the range.
Yeah, EVs have lower range, that's no a thing people dispute, they're also cheaper to run and generally easier to maintain because there's a hell of a lot less moving parts to go wrong.

Here in the UK the infrastructure is already starting to get to a decent point, I've been down to london and back using only fast charge points before.