/svg/ - Shadowverse General

thx m8

BEAST DOM LEADER WHEN?

Ethereal and hit his face with Atomy for lethal

Forest is the protagonist class. Why wouldn't they be top tier?

5pp
Themis

"albert pls carry my craft in the next expansion like otohime"

t.unga shitter

You have problems.

You can't fuck fictional characters you retard

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
broken shit? Gawain? A slow ass Spellboost: Reduce cost by 1 that needs an evo point otherwise he dies next turn. Luminous Mage? A powercreep'd Monika that can evolve itself for free and then dies next turn so you will never use it to evolve other followers unless you play him with Albert on Turn 10. Roland? Frontguard General is better, Roland's amulet is almost useless in the late game.

You're a fucking moron if you think Luminous Mage is bad.

Who cares if Luminous Knight dies the next turn when her effect ONLY LASTS ONE TURN ANYWAYS?

I swear Sword players don't even know the cards in their own deck.

FUCKING SCANS WHEN???

Now, will the ship trigger fanfares or not?

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
At least address the post you are refering to directly, instead of throwing the good old "Enjoy your 3 more months of Elana and Midsword" like a retard.

Master is at least 5 times harder than AA3
All the players in Masters are absolute pros and missplays are a rare occurrence

They make AA3 look like a walk in the park

You're a fucking moron if you think Luminous Mage is bad.
Please quote the part where I call Luminous Mage bad. Fucking retard.

Not much, although I suppose you stop getting paired with A rank shitters altogether at that point.

Why aren't you playing the best version of Dirt Rune?

stop doing it . blood will never be able to use any shit besides stabdart aggrobat

All blood card makes sense is not like daria or albert evo t9

randomly random a random random, random again if condition
I give it two expansions before we're literally hearthstone.

No. It summons them, it does not play them. Just like how Saha does not trigger fanfares.

this is a joke right

well, he did say he WANTS to, not that he will

no goddamnit, shit like that never does

fanfare only activates when played from the hand by using pp (even if 0) and not through effects

Fanfares only activate when played from hand with PP. The ship sticks them onto your board directly from your deck, like Nep does.

This guy is baiting

kys

Is Themis useful for Storm Haven?

If not, would 2x Seraph be enough for an archetype deck or do you need three?

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
Daria's overall win rate is just barely holding at 50%
Dirt and Dshift are both negative and always have been even pre-patch

And yet most of the top 100 is STILL Dshift.

It's almost as if Dshift's disgusting winrate in the Top 1000 is brought down by all the idiots at lower ranks who can't pilot the deck.

Don't say things like that, people might actually believe you

Albert with ward

NICE FUCKING GAME.

they always bring HS to the thread

Getting mixed signals. So is it worth the hassle of rushing through AA3 or not?

So why are you disagreeing with me then when you fully acknowledge sword is getting all these fucking busted new cards?

No, because there's never been any precedent of that happening?

You'd use it to pull Vampy, the new gold 2-drop imps, or maybe even Yurius

Which makes me want to ask the user who made an explosive castle turn deck before it got hit by gobu nerf. Do you think chaos ship work as a replacement? I'm curious.

Or maybe it's because dshift is a deck that loses to storm decks which everyone runs right now

let's play take two
easy modo swordcraft
draft is nothing special
guess I can push two or even three win with some luck
a fucking 5-0 for the first time
Not sure if I was just extremely lucky or my deck was actually pretty good and I need improve my card valuation skill, but it sure feel so good, especially when last two game was very tight.
Also holy shit, I didn't expected you got 280 rupies for 5 wins.

on two bodies so you can't simply use hard removal on it, while also having enough defense to be over every board clear other than Themis and Revelation

A ranked shitters are a liability to your rating, since bad draws are more of a problem than skill in this game. It's easier to rank up when you face nothing but low master players, due to the bonus rating from winning and less rating from losing.

The only real difference between AA3 and Master is the amount of time you have to grind to reach it and you're locked into Master once you get there.
Fucking hell you fight Master players literally all the time in AA3.

Turn 10
Has to actually work to reduce enemy health because forest has a grand total of 2 other storm followers

let's try and diverge a little from the expansion and ask ourselves

if you could improve the ladder system, or revamp it entirely, what would be the best to keep the game competitive and making it so high ranks actually matter in terms of skill?

Ah yes skillful good decks will be brought down to the negatives by less skilled players, that's why OTK Roach was always leagues ahead of Daria with 55%+ win rate

Montly resets or at least downgrades (i.e one letter grade) would help a lot. However, the rating system itself would have to be redesigned to take less rating per rank, it's clear that it takes a fuckton of rating at the high ranks purely because it never resets.

tfw you're an absolute pro who keeps forgetting he's going first and plays his evolve effect followers turn 4 to get shit on

destroy the ladder and make monthly tourny where everyone fight with a mmr to win rewards.

BETTER HEALS THAN HAVEN

It's an autowin button, basically.

Go watch any Top 1000 Dshift streamer and watch them get 50% winrates against every aggro deck besides shadow.

On top of that the deck obviously makes mincemeat out of control decks.

SO HEY LETS GIVE RUNE ANOTHER FUCKING SPELLBOOST TUTOR TO BALANCE THINGS

Best 2 out of 3
Sideboard
Matches give more points/you need less points overall to rank up so it's not such a massive grind this way

This list from a master player runs it. I however never played it and take no responsibility for it.

Has to actually work to reduce enemy health because forest has a grand total of 2 other storm followers
ROACH HAS PROBLEMS DEALING 10 DAMAGE

The counterplay to the amulet is to simply not attack, just build a board so WoTF can't clear well and you can resume your unga in a couple turns.

If you're worried about them dropping a second one then play Execution instead of DoD, it'll probably be the correct meta call anyway since there will be greedy control decks experimenting with Test of Strength for sure.

tfw he doesn't have a second Dshit

The only real difference between AA3 and Master is the amount of time you have to grind to reach it and you're locked into Master once you get there.
The sheer amount of exp needed is holding me back for now, yeah. Do you even get free packs and stuff at the end of season for being master rank?

Sort of new to the game. How is my aggro blood list? Any changes that should be made?

playing haven, rune, dragon (if using forte as leader) or sword gives you zero (0) ladder points.

People stream this game?
Never watched a stream of it before might check it out

go to bed eliza

How the hell would downgrades help anything?

Add real MMR system and placement matches, while also resetting ranks every X time.

Cows!!!

Luminous Mage
busted
Maybe in a world without Daria and Elf Queen, you shitter.

Game is literally fucking Forestverse now.

What the fuck were the devs thinking?

Cygames has done that themself.

So if it summons say, 2 blood wolves

they wont consume HP but will have storm,correct?

remove MSD and test bloodpact in the deck since you are using Dark General

with their pedo dicks obviously.

cows

Just ignore his board this turn, flood your board with trash, hit face and leave you're board with 1/1s
Meanwhile sword
T5, T6, T9 Albert
Win

yes exactly

What's the most bullshit T2 deck you've faced?

ARE YOU ENJOYING FORESTVERSE GUYS???

Correct.

Just don't attack for turns 4 and 5 as aggro
Still possible to win

What did he mean by this?

Blood pact in aggro blood seems iffy

You mean Swordverse?
I don't get why everyone is still whining about how Forest is overpowered, they're tier 2 now.

As long as I don't have to see Levi, yes.

Hey, whatever, just means I don't have to put up with Runeverse

try 3 angel of the word or even crazed executioner over msd since you have dark generals, cut a demonic strike and add a night horde, then one more cut

posters making a big deal out of card reveals again
expansion hits
nothing happens
just another pre-expac season in /svg/

they're tier 2 now
And tier 0 in the near future, friendo.

Yeah, it's not like Forest can go turn 5 Tia -> turn 6 Fairy Beast heal for 6+ -> turn 7 Queen heal for 15+
Good luck getting enough damage in to kill with Albert on 9.

just demonic strike bro

Are you talking about runeverse? they have 2 archetypes that are cancer.

Who cares if Luminous Knight dies the next turn when her effect ONLY LASTS ONE TURN ANYWAYS?
I swear Sword players don't even know the cards in their own deck.

But nobody fucking plays Luminous Knight now.

Just watch someone like failgun or soulkek or any of the numerous Asian Dshift streamers.

They get CONSISTENT wins against aggro on top basically free wins against control.

i want to grab forte by the horns and tenderly breed her!

RIP 5 am user.

Has to waste 3 evolve
meanwhile I can just bounce creatures and get a 8/9ward on turn 4
Albert comes out on the opponent's turn and dies lmao

all these shitters complaining about rune when Havenserve is getting more retard OP cards

This already happens with Elana Haven for me, I can't fucking kill it no matter what, they always heal back any face damage I do, and trading is useless too.

I never played dshift since I have no merlins but I'll check the stream

Blood pact in aggro is just bad.

Serpent Charmer is far superior if you want self-damage in aggro.

muh otk castle meme

You will never facefuck dorke while using her horns as handles

Double bahamut and themis good enough? i won
Also i drafted haven with double moon bunny, olivia and double jeanne in a private match and my friend left accidentally before the match so the deck went boom.

Rune's problems aren't about how Rune is overpowered, Rune completely fucks over one archetype and their ridiculously skewed match-ups just enforce match-up roulette on ladder hard. It's a very poorly designed class.
Except Earth Rite, which is just a bit underpowered but can still hold its own. And hilariously gets fucked by DShift.

Get off the internet, Luna.

trading is useless too.
Trading is not useless, it's what you are supposed to do with Elana. You can't let them set up a board.

-Drop everyone to A0 every set release
-Increase minimum point loss so you always drop at least 100 points past B rank, add winstreak bonuses below masters, and reset rank achievements (ie 100 gold per sub-rank increase)
-Masters rewards start one month after set reset, run every month until the next set, and reset points each month
-Actually step in and change cards in a timely manner if something is completely breaking the meta instead of waiting 2 months

I'd also like to see an in-game tournament system that requires gold buy-in.

which one?

Pedophiles go home!!

Eventually their turns will have enough mana where they can create creatures from hand that are essentially unkillable
That's about when you want to be hitting board clears of the absolute variety, but there can be a few turns there where you simply can't

game is dragonverse
dragon can drop baha t6 and just win

lulz nice game

This new card is basically Assault Commander that gets a free EVO to clear a body on top of even more value IF a commander is on the board already.

Shit is going to be in every sword deck except the Maidcraft maybe.

Rowen - Middle

T5 Tia
Dies to removal
T6 fairy beast
Because you have much of a hand when you need to stack your deck for the early game to not get run over
T7 queen
Where the fuck are you going to get 15+ shadows on T7

forest is the hardest class to play to be honest

im glad its strong (not strongest)

game is so balanced everyone is complaining about every class

dragon > haven > blood

Well yeah, he's a powercreep'd version of Monika, basically. But that's the only real new Sword staple I'm seeing so far.

Thanks man

Praythegayaway/10

dragon

forest is the hardest class to play to be honest

Are you kidding me?

Tempo Forest is just refined unga. That's all it is.

Nobody complains about the trash that is Shadow. Nobody in high masters plays it.

Why does everyone want to drop ranks?
I like rank being permanent, it keeps the top players where they belong and it also means you don't have to constantly grind ladder. Making everyone drop ranks would just make ladder even grindier

Whichever your dailies ask of you.

If nothing, then go with blood. Some of the most fun games I've had in T2 were comebacks due to vengeance. It's a bit harder to draft for blood, though.

If you're new, go with dragon. Probably the simplest to draft for.

everyone
90% of the general are unga swords and luna pedos

what are Dragon players

So what's the general opinion on Jungle Bungle? Broken? Is /svg/ embarrassing itself again like with Maahes?

people complaining about all the classes
mfw sitting here playing discard dragon. it's fun

I don't get this meme
Pussy boy complaining about getting his ass kicked?

that's because everyone is a shitter who only plays one craft

who /atleast1deckforeverycraft/ here?

I hate balanced and diverse games is impossible to tech against when nothing is common.

Just Odin the Khawy bro.

100 crystals per pack and 150 per arena ticket
W-what?

I probably want the dragon that fucking blows the entire board up right? He sounds awesome

Albert with ward for Forest
You answer.

Broken on turn 10, instant win.

No one, i repeat NO ONE, complains about blood.

Blood is literal dogshit mate.

2wymin using menstrual blood to lie in the internet

he is more midrange. with a strong midgame bu

Me, but I use memeshit like Snowman Rune and JO Crystal because I don't have Darias or Dorks. Even my sword deck has trash cards like Leonidas and Otohime.

I see people are talking about a supposed "albert with ward for forest" Did forest get a 5pp 9pp(enhance) 3/5 storm ward?

25/25 for 5 mana
not absolute cancer

If you're offered bahamut, he's almost an insta-pick. There's only a few cards (depending on what you get with bahamut especially) that would make me reconsider.

forgot pic

What is this new Forest card everyone's talking about?

Shitters complain about aggro blood though

Right here.

using crystals outside of the daily deal for packs

That's the one thing I'd criticize about the game, outside of sales and stuff packs are just a tad too expensive. Otherwise I'd shill the fuck out of this game.

That dragon that fucking blows the entire board is Neutral tho

The people saying this won't be busted are the same people who said Albert wouldn't be good.

Blood is literal dogshit mate.
t5 win is bad
the best deck to win against all aggro and tempo rune

4PP Follower
1/2 → 3/4
Fanfare: Deal 2 damage to a random enemy follower. Give +2/+0 to a random other allied follower.

that 2 damage cannot go dome, just like other cards like Cannon Support or Zoe

Maybe being a balanced follower (4PP for goblin stat? Come on now) might just make this unplayable.

You get a guaranteed pack in take two and around 50 gold at average wins, what's your problem?

They got a 5pp 4/5 Ward with Enhance (10): summon another copy and give all copies storm

Here too

It's a fucking meme card unless they include a tech to fix vengeance.

59362

Concede please

It got a better card

Why don't you keep yourself updated with the third link in the OP?

Looks like catsup

Leonidas
thrash
Stop.

can't use chaos ship
have to give up t5 (Or at least settle for taking out only one unit
have to not get lethaled by board+damage from hand when in vengeance

The potential is strong, but so are Atomeme decks, and look at how they do.

Alright /svg/,

Can you find the Lethal?

it's a very strong card stuck in a class that has better wincons.

roach decks and tempo forest would rather run feena and tia still and wolfbolt is better off just relying on them as well. they're giving control forest a lot of support so it should be a viable deck, i just doubt it'll be better than decks that rely on roach.

a control heavy deck won't have room for fairy generators, especially with all the good cards they've been given. this means they can't reasonably run tia or roach and have them be effective, maybe it'll be good at dealing with aggro but it'll be weak against other control decks that have better removals.

4/5 5pp

ward

enhance(10): summon another and give them all storm

That's pretty good, but not as good as Albert in my opinion. Just slightly.

a 5pp 4/5 Ward with Enhance (10): summon another copy and give all copies storm
Please be joking.

turn 9 do nothing compared to balanced Albert of 10 face damage and damage immunity

it keeps the top players where they belong
Because masters isn't top players, there are tons of shitters who spammed some OP deck months ago or people who just hard grinded with a 45% WR and eventually won enough in a row to advance. These people need to be kicked back out every few months and forced to prove there belong there again.

They can ease the grind by adding winstreak bonuses above B rank, which they should have anyway since it currently punishes people who just want monthly rewards and didn't sandbag B forever.

turn 10
in turn8/9verse
pointless

I hope you feel good about that, you luckpull shitters.

what pick svg?
the supreme meme or the value

Evolve bat, play fortress, hit face

It's not exactly hard.

Evo a bat, go full on face, vamp fort, barrage

They die to Yurius's effect next turn.

evolve bat drop fortress and play angelic. He kills himself on his amulet.

turn 5 6/7 ward is nothing

Yes, you need an EP, but guess what? Forest has a card to generate them in ToG.

luckpull
LUCK
Pure skill.

Thanks vampy-chan

i hope this is a parody of when ppl posted their roach lethals, and even those were embarrassingly easy

Why does everyone want to drop ranks?
Autism.

Rank drops are a terrible idea.

turn 9 do nothing
implying
Back to B1 with you. You can't be this stupid.

A ladder that never resets isn't really a ladder at all. I mean it's fine if you like the current system, but it's pretty dysfunctional.

Is /svg/ embarrassing itself again like with Maahes?
Yes.

Man, she's so much better than her sister. Those ears are just too cute.

But they could just spam OP decks to get back there.
The fundamental problem here is 1 game ladder matches don't require much skill, if any at all, and you can make it to top ranks by playing an easy, OP deck (Sword) all the time. Shadowverse does not require nearly as much skill as people in this thread seem to wish it did. Making players drop rank would not fix the problem; it would just repeat the cycle. Everyone would play the no-effort OP deck of the set to get to Master easy, and then when they get kicked out they'd do it all over again. Literally nothing changes. If anything, this incentivizes people even MORE to play the easy top tier decks.
Rank drops are a shitty idea.
Master has its own ranked ladder that does reset though.

Cutest Waifu is unplayable
EVRY SINGLE TIME

Cygames....

Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe they just need a tutorial explaining what the ranks mean, so people recognize the ladder isn't really a ladder until Masters.

I did it /svg/!

There's the ladder at master that works that way, isn't it?

Kicking some guy who spent months grinding back to A0 or whatever seems just a source of frustration.

take two
get offered humpty dumpty
humpty dumpty is actually a card in this game

Yes user

unplayable
implying

Actually a decent T2 card desu

Not knowing about the legend himself
You're not gonna crack him, are ya?

soul conversion floating
congrats shadowbro! the duel never ends.

The problem is that she is in Shadowcraft, and therefore needs to be balanced, If she was in Forestcraft, she would probably be a 2/2 -> 4/4 for 4PP.

I mean I guess this is sort of needed? It seems kind of obvious to anyone with half a brain though.

I picked him, he seems pretty good. I hope I don't have to crack him in a match :(

not picking t2 decks to be a close as possible to JO dragon

And get reduced cost for playing fairies

Well if she was in Rune she could be good too but Blood, Dragon and Shadow waifus MUST be bad.

If she was blood probaly would deal 15 damage to the. own face

You guys know that not every Forest card is broken and that there are plenty of completely dogshit Forest cards, right?
And that Shadow has its own fair of dumb shit, right?

I try to, but I honestly can't stand trying to play some of them sometimes. Aggro Blood just gets fucked sideways in the higher ranks, and I don't have enough experience with Haven to offset its dumpster tier win rates.

Storm haven is pretty easy (and good)

Forest card is broken and that there are plenty of completely dogshit Forest cards, right?
And that Shadow has its own fair of dumb shit, right?

So a 5PP 4/5 ward with late game potential is dogshit, user?

lurching corpse and attendant cannot trade except with wards

Suck my dick Elizabeth.

15 damage own face for 4 mana is pretty good with mary.

FUCK Jungle Protector. At least with Bahamut dropped on Turn 10 you could still play around it and win, but this, this is bullshit.

Yes better storms that sword and better heals than haven oh so bad

How is everyone sitting at masters forever any better? It's already at the point where I just laugh at the clickbait 'X wins in masters!!', because I've seen some of the shitters on streams that made it to masters. Within a few more months it's not going to mean anything, and that's a problem.

implying Khawy is balanced
Luna pedos should just kill themselves. They are the biggest crybabies ever and, unlike Dragon and Blood players, they have no right to be whining.

8 mana play a 5/5, a 5/5 that respawns, destroy your opponent's highest attack creature, gain life equal to that creature's attack, and deal 3 to their board
sir???

You have khawy, you have an 11 damage turn 6 combo, and you're getting an upcoming 2 mana 2/2 effect: shit on anyone not playing board flood. Why are you pretending shadow is balanced again?

two jungle book cucking bahamut even if you remove either one

BEAR NECESSITIES

there are people who actually think orthrus isn't a good card

When the dailies hit just right

M O N E Y
O
N
E
Y

Say not every Forest card is broken
Immediately only talk about the good cards
You guys are fucking idiots. Every class gets garbage cards, and I'm not just talking about the filler commons.
Except Sword
And pretending Shadow doesn't have some completely ridiculous bullshit up their sleeves is hilarious. Shadow isn't even that bad, you guys are complete fucking whiners.

SHADOW NEEDS TO BE THE BEST
DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD A SLIGHLTY UNFAVORABLE MATCHUP WITH HAVEN?

Frontguard General and even Roland blocks both of them.

What if enchance effect removed ward? nobody would give a shit

2 mana 2/2

Wait, you're telling me you have Shadows to spend on Soulsquasher or something

Khawy is broken shit!

Last time I do dailies with dragon, Luna put out 3 Kawaii and still lost even with 13 heal to face. What does that make me?

But the 6 bazingolions of last words banished inDE?????

balor

Zeus too :^)

he doesn't know

Don't forget they have one of the best legendaries in the game and legendary so good she has a deck built around her.
But no apparently Shadow is dumpster tier like pre-DE Haven was.

w-we'll still get yurius and veight tier cards r-right

You guys are fucking idiots. Every class gets garbage cards, and I'm not just talking about the filler commons.

Name one blood card besides Razory Claw that could be considered broken or overpowered?

You literally can't.

requiring a follower on board to be good

There is Urd, Necroass and now Orthrus. You telling me they are not going to be active in removing your board.

Orthrus' fanfare is good, but her stat is abysmally bad because it has to be balanced out.

6 GORILLION OF BANISHED MORDECAIS

Last time I do dailies with dragon, Luna put out 3 Kawaii and still lost even with 13 heal to face. What does that make me?
It's a 25% winrate. Someone has to be lucky enough to win, eventually.

yurius
vampy
ant these cards should be nerfed they are too overstattedand there are aggroblood cards withtout both

Control forest is going to remain absolute meme tier until they give it a board clear.

demon commander laura has potential, especially with rune blade summoner

You could show pretty much anything in RoB for Forestcraft. What ended up seeing play, Wolf (which was meme tier until Roach OTK got nerfed) and Selwyn's Command? Which is just a weaker Novice Trooper since nobody actually ever wants to waste 8PP the get the Grand Faggot Selwyn?

Fujiwara should win

Who the fuck in their right mind is going to stay in vengeance for more than a turn.

I feel like the usual scenario this is going to be played is going to be a 5 mana "Summon 2 5/5s" at which point is a Zinitra that costs an Evo point in order to "Combo".

surely you don't mean soulsquasher

Sword has rogue's creed and castle in the memes forest nigger.

So what's the best variant of Satan Dragoncraft? Pendant spell memes, traditional ramp, or super low curve for 100% accurate Emissaries?

Yurius

Oh noes. One bad matchup for Rowen!

While non-aggro shadow gets
dirt rune
seraph
dshift

Yeah, Kawaii will do something about those matchups, really.

What are you talking about?
I just said every class gets some bad cards. I'm saying Shadow players complaining that their filler uncommon wasn't broken and if it were a Forest card it would definitely be overpowered, despite the fact that Forest has gotten TONS of shit cards.
Everyone knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every expansion.

forestnigger using resorting to le sword boogeyman when they get a better albert
It just doesn't work anymore.

And I got this ty cygames

You know... Humpty Dumpty aside what the heck are the rewards for Take 2? I see each win gives a better chest - do you queue until you lose 3 times or until you play all 5 matches regardless of the score?

... so she's a good card then
the fuck is all this talk about her being "unplayable"

If 2 mana, deal 3 damage and take 2 is broken, what does that make Levi?

user

I really don't get this meme. Belphegor is the best blood Legendary so far.

b-but 10hp
It activates your class mechanic for you while drawing 2 cards and having overstatted body. You can do T5 Devil+Drain to recover the HP you lost or T5 Bel+Drain will work too. What class can burst you from 10 HP in T4/T5? If you're not literally passing the T2 and T3 using Bel on T4 won't you.

Also, she has no downside if you're in vengeance unlike Soul Dealer.

Does 10 mana satan spell one-shot with JO on board?

yes

t6 albertand lose and the enemy uses a themis

nice game

Everyone knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every expansion.

Thanks user, it feels good to finally hear a non-blood player admit that.

So based on all the revealed cards so far what is your personal tierlist?

T0
Sword
T1
Forest,Rune,Shadow
T2
Haven,Blood,Dragoneutral

Requiring a follower AND having a stats of a Goblin. I'd personally hate to topdeck into her without a board.

It was a joke user.
Everyone gets bad cards. Not all cards can be good, and not all cards are even designed to be good. It's the nature of card games. Of course Sword has garbage cards like everyone else.
But fucking hell Sword does get a lot less bad cards than everyone else. Literally the only class without a shitty legendary

It's not Albert tier so it's shit according to /svg/.

ugh i'm going to have to play our new 3 damage 2 mana removal that can summon minions instead of undying resentment just so I can destroy my opponent's evolved endgame legend for free

just test of strength bro

She banishes white general instead of fervid the turn before
This girl makes for some surprising bursts.

Forest might be 0, but besides that, yea

mention that a card in shadow is not very good
dragoncucks instantly storm your post with cries of "BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY"
thread gets polluted with dragoncucks fighting lunapedos
This is fucking hilarious.

e knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every exp

stop this hurts

every control deck that isn't haven hates nep, it's not just dragon

T2
Haven
NIce meme'd my humpty dumpty

It's pretty disgusting that Lion ended up being a better aggro card than stall one.

They really need a Rahab, I mean, a rehab.

That's not true.
Dirt Rune loves Nep. Free wins are nice.

mention that a card in shadow is not very good
except that they were whining about how shadow cards 'need to be balanced' you undercover gothic pedo

Aegis Haven will have 40% winrate and yet /svg/ will whine about it forever.

Mark my words.

What do you call Alexander then?

No one cares about Aegis anymore.

It'd be one thing if it were one of their legendaries.
But it was a fucking filler uncommon, like come on. Who cares if an uncommon sucks?
I hate Shadowfags.

4PP 1/2 is not ballanced

Show me another high PP card with similar or lesser stats that does not have a Lastwords that hides a bigger body.

regardless of that, just know that whenever someone mentions "shadow" or "khawy", the thread will derail into dragonfags fighting shadowfags, and that'll continue until the next expansion and maybe even longer

you guys remember when they revealed wolf+bolt abd everyone was like that guy?

Alexander is not bad, retard, it was just outclassed. It was used by CSword on DE.

Alexander is average at worst right now and could easily be slotted into CSword, and was a meta card in DE. Sometimes I wish I had Alexander instead of Cyclone Blade.
When I say Sword has no shitty legendaries, I mean each of their legendaries saw competitive play in at least tier 2 decks.

switch to japanese voices
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G-GAMBARIMASU >W<

God this shit is fucking cancer.

sister of an established legendary
why can't you accept that she can be a shit card

It's Emmara Tandris all over again.

retards playing Ramp when Face and Satan are clearly superior

really boils my eggs

Well if played properly with a test of strength the turn earlier and then a second one the turn after summoning aegis you essentially win the game.

Between that sword amulet and this I fully expect every deck to be filled with amulet destruction in the coming expo.

complaining about words you don't know because you don't like how they sound
ok

That Storm Dragon winrate
Can someone please give a good Storm Dragon deck list?

Alexander is a solid card that still gets played in some control sword decks.

It can still wreck your entire board easily and is better than Cyclone in some situations.

55% winrate with Satan
How the fuck

What does the new face list looks like? I assume cards like trinity dragon became obselete with all the removals.

What is the difference between face, storm ramp and storm Dragoncraft?

weebcucks

You know what dragon deck doesn't care about khawy or nep or anything?
OTK discard, but of course dragon players won't play it because they will lose to sword and Dorothy.
They want to play their ramp unchallenged and shit on everyone with double Sahaluci into turn 7 Bahamuts.
At least when people play Nep they are 100% prepared to auto concede to Seraph and Dshift instead of bitching about it, which is already more especially bad match ups than dragon's only exceptionally bad vs shadow.

still gets played in some control sword decks.
I don't disagree with you, but this just isn't true.

It fucks aggro in the ass with all its wards and removal

It fucks control with its turn 7 Satan

the ONLY decks it loses to are Nepnep and combo decks like Seraph or D-Shift

This is the newest list I saw on GameAI: game-ai.jp/25677/

and shadowbbs wil cry about the banishcaust

Face Dragon plays no ramp cards at all and the most expensive card in the deck is Forte. It's just an aggro deck through and through.
Storm Ramp Dragon is slower, and does include ramp, but it has much more powerful storm cards like Genesis

muh 1 attack
don't ignore the fact that it gives 2 points of attack to your board

You can project however much you like but nobody has been complaining about banishes in months or so.
Even in DE more complains were against Elana than banish because it shat on the only semi-viable shadow aggro deck at the time.

If a win takes 20mins, is it still free?

The latter does not exist and is just Shadowlog being retarded.
Face Dragon is an aggro-ish (it's not actually aggro) Dragon build that focuses around early game chip damage and constant face damage every turn with Trinity and Eyfa, that then finishes the game by dropping multiple Fortes/Seabrands/enhanced Eyfas every turn from turn 6 (sometimes 5, since Forte becomes 5 if pulled by Emissary) onwards.
Storm Ramp is Ramp that relies on Genesis and Forte to win.

shitposters like you are the ones bringing it up every thread as a strawman

mention the word "shadow"
get swarmed by dragoncucks having a meltdown
answer with literally anything
"ugh shadowbbs just can't forget the 6 gorillion huh"

you just can't win against this

nobody has been complaining about banishes in months or so.
(you)

What's face dragoncraft? Aggro ignoring opposing creatures?

What?
People were calling baldy flat-out broken because he banished. It was hilarious.

Cry more bab

banishcaust denial

The only complaints about banish were dragoncucks asking for a banish card.

Daily reminder that pic-related can still hit Sword for 8 damage even with Durandal out while Genesis is a 4/11 most of the time. And don't you pull the bahamut card. They can have 3 Roland too

Elana died to Bahamut
Nothing to kill Dshift yet

Oh wait as a matter of fact, Dshift got more support. That it didn't even need to rape control to no end, again. I would like the option to destroy my opponent's hand anytime now, let's fucking kill the witch.

People don't play it because it's an inconsistent as hell deck that loses to almost every meta deck on the ladder, not just Sword and Dorothy.

I don't disagree with you, but this just isn't true.

I run into Alexander decks all the time at masters. Control sword is rare in general right now and a FEW of those decks run Alexander.

It was annoying as fuck true, but the bigger problem was Elana still. I could live with a couple lost shadows but I couldn't handle all my damage in the last 5 turns being negated in one turn while they also gain +12/+12 across the board

I explicitly off the top of my head remember a shadowfag complaining that his lastword cards didn't always get full value while instant effect cards do.

He still is an absolutely ridiculous turn 4 power play, but without him, spirit lion and themis Haven would be absolute dumpster tier.

Because you retards keep complaining as if we were in DE era when Shadow is in a pretty good state right now and getting pretty good cards.

Everything but Sword I have a meta deck for. I have not pulled a single Albert all expansion.

what did you expect from a shitposter

Only shitters complain about Elana desu

Stop replying to yourself, sad.

All the original 4 drop evos are ridiculous swingy power plays. That's their whole purpose. Dragon Warrior is also better most of the time than Cudgel
Except demonflame and rose gardener who just suck.

Dragon blames all their problems on Shadow
Shadow still playing the victim from DE Haven days
Haven denying everything and playing the victim because it's shit now
You can't pay for this entertainment.

jcpa.org/text/holocaustabuse.pdf

dude, fucking lelouch was saying that baldy was broken and he plays fucking rune or forest or whatever

you have to filter the shit you read here

I don't know

this is why you don't take anyone here seriously, specially not weeks before an expansion

If it was Sword it would have Rush too.

Haven dindu nuffin.

t. banner shitter

When your ONLY viable deck is being raped hard by Elana because it's relatively slow for aggro and your storm is shadow dependent, unlike other decks, you're bound to complain.

Get out of here jew, we're busy memeing.

Haven did nothing wrong desu.

they never had a good WR like sword,rune or forest.

There is playful necromancer too. 5/4 is just an liability most of the time.

shadow playing victim

What? I am hyped to start a zombie apocalypse in ToG. Just that a sister of a legendary deserves better treatment.

Warrior doesn't win 2 match ups for free last I checked.

The seabrand seems like an odd choice, wouldn't it mess up with emissary tutor?

dragon complains because cards in other classes make their card value laughable and at the same time their reveals have been trash
this is somehow blaming shadow
LoL XD

MUH
6
GORILLION
BANISHES

Shadowbabs are the whingiest fucks on the planet.

Omg i cant win all matches because the enemy is not allowed to banish cards to win.

poor shadowjews they need more khawy cards.

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""MIDRANGE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Seraph is a honest deck!
Cmon let's go chemo sisters!
Fuhrer Eris!
Muh shitty winrates because of storm and Sun Guardian so that means Seraph is bad too!

anyone else here an idort?

Yeah, just use her

there you go, now the thread is even shittier

I hope cygames deletes dragon as soon as possible

Are you retarded?
Haven was fucking everywhere in DE.
It was the same as if now every time you'd see a rune or a sword player you'd know that you're probably going to lose and there is nothing you can do about it.

So you want to delete dragon just because you are the haven of Rowen?

Why would they delete a class in which over half the decks have over a 55% winrate? Learn to form your own opinion, mindless sheep.

midrange

Haven players are alright desu ive never seen them complain even after they got some of the worst card this expansion

Now campare to forestbabs and shadowbabs

What a dork

why face dropped trinity dragon usage? its effect makes him able to survive alot or force the enemy to use removal on it

What if dragon had:

11pp

11/11
Fanfare: gain an extra playpoint orb

haven was only played in B to A rank.

the strongest decks were PtP forest and mid-range sword most played decksin in masters and tourny

Haven know their place is in the dumpster after they got uppity with elana faggotry

trusting shadowlogs for Dragon
No one knows what you're playing unless it's obvious discard shit and just chalk the loss up to general ramp. Meanwhile everyone who wins knows what they're playing and correctly attributes it leading to inflated win rates.

Tribunal and lion spirit are enough to carry them through the expansion.
They wouldn't trade their auto-win button for anything anyway.

You just can't satisfy shadowbabs.

haven was only played in B to A rank.
this is bait

why face dropped trinity dragon usage?
Because it fucking didn't.

Dragon should get Liza for instant destruction effects.

That's because Haven players get their jollies not from being overpowered, but from making life miserable from their opponents.
That's why we're excited about Aegis + Test of Strength. Not because it will be tier 1, but because locking people out is fun

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Why is it called midrange by people and japanese anyway?

Instant destruction effects
Please don't use the word instant, for some reason it makes me sad about the state of digital ccgs

but because locking people out is fun

hi hs.
your next word is "badly designed"

Storm got positive winrates though.

So, I get that they would not want to make ranked games 2/3 because mobile game, fast matches and all that. But what if they added a new mode that's basically an alternative ranked that's 2/3, sideboards and all that for people who care? This way mobilefags that play while taking a shit can grind ranked with aggro bats for optimal wins per hour, while people that just want to play and enjoy the game and feel like their skill matters a bit can do so.

Play Eternal.

Same reason why Dshitters exist, only Dshift is even worse, if that's even possible.
But it's true. They were so happy denying games to most player they've unironically started calling themselves chemo.

So i heard dragonfags wanted a orca leggo. . .

@171052630
Not even getting my (you).

dropping baha,satan and toodeck battle is skill now

Locking people out
HS
What are you smoking?
To be fair, you can fight back against Haven's shit. DShift you can't do anything about.

The moment Haven is as frequently played as rune I'll quit the game, life is too short for this shit.

usually wins on turn 9 and fares better against control matchups because of tsubaki

The old aggro usually attempted to flood the board with low cost followers and buff them with commanders and chip away at the opponent's health, it had to win by turns 5-6 or fizzle out.

t.unga bunga

We won't miss you

The moment Haven is as frequently played as rune I'll quit the game
you should've quit right after DE hit then, what are you doing here?

How much of that is because everybody probably mulligans for the slow as hell Seraph and Guardian Sun?

usually wins on turn 9
I finish 80% of my games on turn 6-7

Forest still has one Legendary left ;^)

I just started 3 days ago and I've opened my 5th Albert

I need a concede and im still working on the full private game missions as well

11909

Thanks in advancd

Mulliganing for Seraph
If someone is doing mulligans for Seraph, then they are not playing correctly. It is way too risky with all the aggro decks running around, even Luna could be Aggro Shadow. You can't even keep combo pieces against Rune either because it's usually Daria

Storm is downright obnoxious when it gets a good curve.

Dragon has two ;^)

Oh, that old deck with the Fencers and other buffs? I remember now. I don't even run Goblin or Vanguard on my """midrange" Sword now that I think about it, I suppose this deck is kinda slower on T1-3 as far as board presence goes then.

Are the GameAI lists decent?

Yeah I don't get the circlejerk here about seraph, I'm far more afraid of facing storm (and playing it now, I feel like it's very strong)

game is stratified into groups of players that can usually expect to beat lower level players despite rng variance
but there's no skill because muh mtg mechanics
nice meme

That would actually be really cool. And it would encourage midrange decks with more versatile playstyles instead of gimmicks.

Concede, onegai

54166

I've been playing for 2 months and have none. You've obviously stolen mine.

No.

10pp
15/15
Fanfare: Discard your hand

7pp
2/2
Storm
Whenever you discard a card, this follower gets +1/+1

Clear board
banish
heal
repeat
It's cancerous as fuck to sit through that shit, it's just a giant waste of time.
3 unga bunga matches are literally shorter than 1 Haven match.

The issue is that the balance between amulets and countdown reducers is like between sigils and earth rite : even with the best deck building in the world, there will inherently be games where you see too few of one and too much of the other.

I want to make that Dragon Face deck because I've been wanting to start playing Dragon, but I don't own any Fortes and I'm trying to save for when the next expansion is released, as well as wanting to build Seraph. Is there some other enjoyable deck, pref. not aggro, that I can build with what I have at the moment without having to spend too much? I realize alot of my rares are trash, wanting to liquefy them when next expansion comes.

What's the best netdecking resource then?

Arigato, shadow-kun

Yeah, but inherently that doesn't feel very different from the bricking issues I see with other decks. My main concern with storm haven is that it feels very weak to other aggro decks that can take advantage of the 1-3 tempo loss you have.

Alberto should be 3/5 -> 5/5

not having Forte
But she's the cutest card in the game.

But that one match against Haven is way more enjoyable and fun.
For the Haven player

GameAI

Keep the room open, I will help you with the achievement.

Other aggro decks
That's because Storm Haven is actually midrange with an aggro playstyle

But why?

Then those games where you get a good balance and your opponent can't do a goddamn thing but lose.

dragon actually has the least revealed cards yet

Don't lose your hope. At least you have better odds than Blood with only 3 cards remaining.

aggro playstyle
It doesn't even have an aggro playstyle. It plays nothing like aggro at all.

You forgot those are silver cards :)

Not him, but I find that highly debatable. You often go face above all else, which is one of the defining characteristics of peak unga.

dragon has the least revealed cards because they haven't designed them yet

this just some retards here like to call everything but seraph aggro

you only go face if there's nothing in board or lethal

It plays nothing like aggro at all

Yeah, Urd on Birdsong and both hits going face isn't aggro at all

way too much hp for a fucking unenhanced evolved albert

You know they design expansions months in advance right

Technically, the best way to "netdeck" is just facing enough builds of the same deck at high ranks until you have a precise picture of which cards they all have in common.
Once you got those staple/core cards, you just have to adapt it to your common matchups and your own playstyle via tech choices.

Storm, the best keyword in the game, with a very powerful late game effect
Only 1 stat off baseline
That's why

I prefer more pings and storms in the current game, nothing wrong with trinity.
Use pings, im running x2 lyrial and aotw in the current storm list. It helps with bats and swords.

This.

It's why Rune is getting so many meme cards even though they already nerfed Piercing Rune.

Meanwhile, at Blizzard HQ...

youtu.be/-2QXEy4nikI

Strange, we seem to have different experiences. I only trade when I'm absolutely forced to. Most of the time it's a race once your best amulets are popping.

Redpill me on Rahab. How will a 4PP 2/5 wardhelp when you cannot oracle into it?

clear board
spams 4 shits
UHHH SHADOWBABS?

Characteristic of aggro decks is having a strong early game and running out of steam fast, what is exactly the exact opposite of what happens with Storm Haven. Also, you don't prioritize face always, you trade a lot. You just go for face if you can set up lethal or their board is absurdly insignificant.

You are a retard.

What are your predictions for when the expansion will release? Next week seems likely.

depends of the enemy.

is better go face against hugh board clear decks but against aggri is just better to remove all weak followers

Shit, people still play Dragon? We have to design cards ASAP
lets see, shitty Monastic Holy Water, shitty Veteran Troooer, shitty Goblinmount Demon, shitty Alucard

Turn 7 Satan
Boy I sure love playing against ramp

Last 2 are Daria and Levi.

turn 7 satan
they still lose

what is a joke

your probably gonna be correct

t4 saha + luci destroy my deck and chance to win

""""balanced""""

Fair and balanced deck being fair and balanced, nothing to complain about.

I know, that's part of the reason I would like to play Dragon

use two hungering hordes
heh, nothing personal kid.

70k MP in 15 days

How do they do it? Spending 6 hours a day grinding?

I don't get why people complain about 'not being able to do anything vs dshift' when this kind of board vomit is far more threatening, lands sooner and unless you're playing themiscraft there's also nothing you can do about it.

aids is fine because terminal cancer is worse

DShift completely breaks an entire archetype and is overall bad for the game's health.
Not that Daria isn't either. Spellboost cost reduction is a god awful mechanic

make new account to try different craft
play against D Shift
they cast full cost Fate's Hand and pass turn

No, rune is getting meme cards because they are already good. Dshift doesn't need anything more to beat control decks. Daria is already good and any card like superman would make it broken. Dirt can stall.

The real reason why they did the nerf is mainly for goblin mage. ToG has 2 more storm card for forest which are ridiculously good. In total forest have 4 storm cards and if they didn't nerf goblin mage before ToG, OTK will have a higher winratw than 65% for sure.

implying dshift isn't the terminal cancer

Aggro decks and a lot of time spent on ladder

dies to themis
dies to albert
xddd

Why can't they just remove Rune from the game? Not a single one of their decks is fun to play against.

Dragon or shadow for t2
or rune

How much is too much? You'd be looking at 6-7k+ vials for your cheapest Control decks, I think.
You can try a ghetto face dragon with Seabrands and Eyfas instead.

They're both complete shit by virtue of the spellboost mechanic. Dshift completely destroys an entire archetype. It's horrendous game design.

Not that I am an expert on designing card games, but come on, this shit is total cancer.

6 hours a day
Heh
The people at the top of the ladder are probably playing 18 hours a day (although I suspect the very top ones have account sharing)

Rune.
I've gotten the most 5-0s with Rune

Shadow. 5 khawy and lurching corpse. Balance since it's silver ;^)

The thing that really fires my neurones up is, that someone thought it's ok to reduce rune's followers to 0PP.

although I suspect the very top ones have account sharing
It's hard to determine whether it's account sharing or just some neet addicted. But there is definetively a lot more time spent then just 6 hours a day.

There's a very big gap between the top 100-10 and the like... the top 3, especially the #1 spot. The #1 spot seems like it's simply impossible for a single person to do, even with outrageous win rates.

But dshift is fun to play and feels more like a game than other decks that just drop minions on curve and go face.

Just like roach forest combo is fun to play despite being """not fun to play against"""

what's a good budget haven deck

You can make combo decks that don't break the game due to having 0 counterplay
See: Seraph

Your point? Nobody gives a fuck if it playing solitaire is fun.

It's funny you compare it to "dropping minions on curve and going face", because D Shift is specifically built to hard counter the decks that DON'T do that. So you've made it your mission to shit all over the decks in the game that aren't brain-dead.

what are your golds and legos for haven and neutral

playing removal whack-a-mole
fun

I don't know, honestly. I only started playing 10 or 11 days ago so I haven't been around for an expansion release yet. I only have the one deck - blood aggro - so I doubt too many vials will go into upgrading that, if it isn't made obsolete. I'd like to be able to jump on a new archetype if one is created once the set releases though.

If they rotate standart.

we won't see levi and dshift anymore

heh

The only hope for this game's long term health

Hey guess what guys?

Cygames is increasing the card slot up to 36 for Tempest.

What's a card slot?

user wat

Dirt Rune would kill all the fun in this mode

Nice! I hope they fix the bug that makes the default decks show up on deck page 3.

D-shift is probably the main reason you don't see any fun/homebrew/non-netdecks on the ladder. "Oh, you didn't smash my face in by turn 8? lol you lose and there's literally fuck all you can do about it" At least Seraph, while also annoying, is counterable.

Point is that D-shift is undeniably bad for the game as a whole.

feels more like a game
Of solitaire.

storm haven

elana can be played without leggos but it's meh then, storm haven is perfectly fine without any leggo with valhalla generals instead of moon bunnies

Go first as Forest
Turn 1 - Any 1 Drop
Turn 2 Liza
Opponent Concedes

Why does this keep happening?

He probably means deck slots. You can have 18 right now(9) per page so I guess he means we get 18 more.

Damn dragonfags are the slowest people in take two, they can't even figure out lethal and keep on wasting my time.

I want to sniff Princess Vanguard's butt

Deck slots*

They're hacking your computer and know an elf is coming next.

Storm needs 0 leggos

He means deck slot.

That would be great

that makes alot of sense

I love not being allowed to play the game when I queue into Haven as shadow

what do you think about pegasus scripture in elana?

I have a feeling that dragoncraft has the youngest mean age of all the crafts

Wow, no idea.

Do you have to battle unique players for private lobby mission? Do you have to leave the lobby and collect the reward every time to advance the mission?

Hi time travller from DE

Dragonfag here, 31 years old. Are other crafts made up of grandpas?

If dshift didn't exist, you'd all be complaining about the next hardest control deck.

Yes. No.

yes, no

Turn 3 do nothing, dies to Bahamut

DShift is combo. You can even see it in its match-ups; it hard counters control but dies hard to aggro.

No, seraph has counterplay.

Behold, the Dragoncraft player: 31 and doesn't understand arithmetic means

Anything's fine as long as it's not an absolute
People hate D Shift because it's an absolute
Pre-determined matches are the real cancer

Seraph, Nephthys, PTP, Roach and Wolfbolt exist to counter control already. DShift is not necessary, it's just cancer.

NINE HOURS UNTIL THE REVEAL STREAM STARTS

Turn 7 do nothing :')

When is the next expansion anyway? So tired of logging in, doing dailies and fapping to ss all night.

Source?
Link?
DRAGON LEGOS FINALLY???????????????????

The cheapest deck you can make right now would be Storm Haven, which is a pretty aggressive deck, but less so than your traditional unga me go face aggro deck. You can stick the Garudas, Urd, and Sarissa in there for a passable budget version without spending anything.
Maybe Dirt Satan? Get two Calamitous Curses, and an Ancient Alchemist and that's usable.

Is Quickblader the worst t1 play?

is literally t1 do nothing

Can we start a dragonmaid movement? We could get a long line of dragon legends that are maids. SCALY BATTLE MAIDS.

I believe you're missing the point.

Playing against a control deck is fine. You can interact with them - actually play the game against them.

Unless you are aggro against d-shift and smash face, you'll lose, and there is literally not one fucking thing you can do about it.

It breeds un-interactive, and frankly very boring gameplay that is unenjoyable for all parties involved.

Fuck off with your fotm moeshit

we blood players scorn those underage lizard lovers! lizards don't even have fluffy tails why are they even needed

Stay away from my maids. You can keep the dragons but don't you dare touch the maids.

The version of storm haven I'm using only uses one legend. It really is cheap as fuck.

This post wouldn't be inspired by some seasonal anime with boner-inducing dragons would it?

if we dont have legendary dergons im going to be depressed

Play Storm Haven.

Called it. How about deck rearranging though?

But Quickblader is the only T1 do something. You have to work on your memes.

Is Quickblader the worst t1 play?

aren't mass draw and mass removal characteristics of control?

I would call d-shaft control-combo

I would call original Roach OTK aggro-combo

I wasn't even thinking of that show, and I don't watch it. I just thought it would be funny to usurp sword's signature.

But Quickblader is the only T1 do something
ambling
may

live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv291990800
Next SV channel starts in 8h30m, and they're supposed to be revealing ToG stuff.

Fuck off discord cancer

May
turn 1 kill Quickblader

Ambling
turn 1 deal face damage

Quickblader is the only T1 do something

________, ________!

but i don't even visit discord...
i visit reddit sometimes though

Sure you did. Go back to /a/

IT'S HAPPENING
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D-Shift is more of a combo deck than a control deck though, as it's more focused on getting to their combo as quickly as possible than controlling the board. It just runs control tools as a necessity.

If you want that play weiss schwarz instead, they jump on every single fotm moeshit

Sure, I mean, it's only fair dragon gets to usurp something for once right?

Dragons lewd themselves.

do these also get corrupted and raped into demons like most sword followers?

TSUKOME
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Yeah same shit

kys

*draws lightsaber*

I tried it before, it's not really good overall.
3 Main reasons why I think it's bad are:
It makes it harder for Uriel to fetch Elana.
With 2 amulets on board(elana and pegasus) you only have 3 valuable space left for vomiting followers which is not enough at all
Being 3pp, and even if it was 2pp I don't think it would see any play.

BRAAAAAAA, AAAAAAAAP!

Quack!

Scary

What deck should I play if I'm addicted to masturbation?

want to catch that tail!

what card is the ultimate embodiment of

TX
DO NOTHING

???

That's why we got that insane 3pp amulet for counter play. Now you can't complain about d-shift anymore.

When is the new pack going to be released? Next month? I'm so hype that my best boy Gawain is finally going to be in Shadowverse, I'll finally have an excuse to play more than like once every week or two.

Is his effect good? It sounds good but I haven't been playing enough to know what's really good and what isn't.

Dshift.

"Think, Rowen. You have to play something or risk losing tempo."

Do you like it slow and steady or fast and brutal

Dshift and unga bats.

Play solitaire is fun

Roach was pretty fun but at least had counters (outside of wolf+homecoming).

Dshit is literally
Trigger combo
Remove wards on second turn
Win

They only wards that remotely counter Dshit is Frontguard and Khawy, Khawy only because that fucker has one of the most broken last words in the game.

playing rabbit haven against rune
kill my eidolon with Erasmus bolt
banish my 1/2 ward with Forbidden Ritual

Holy shit kill yourself you rune cancer.

this is what i got

thanks bros

Yes, now if only they hadn't given it to the one craft that didn't need it

Missing your 1 drop.

we didn't get any anti-dshift amulets, user

we got an anti-aggro amulet

Playing against a control deck is fine. You can interact with them - actually play the game against them.
Ward
Banish
Tribunal
Heal, ward
Tribunal
Themis
Tribunal
Seraph
interaction/10

Having a 1 drop
Unga detected.

It's good if you can take a turn to drop it.
Shitty otherwise.
Most of the time, I'm getting my shit kicked in and (assuming you dropped elana on t3), you can't spend t4 doing nothing. It also clogs up board, but having this proc on unica can be pretty game winning sometimes.

You realize there are control decks other than haven, right?

when you castle in the sky just right

amulets
against rune

Great, that'll stop the one craft with useful and versatile amulet clear.

inb4 waah waah it's above 2 mana and I can't spellboost it down

Big fucking deal

watching a past broadcast
his opponent was a 100+ MP haven

DID I MISS SOMETHING? LITERALLY HOW?

Insight

I think aggro sword is the right deck for you. You have a strong option of going all out early, but for that edge factor you can try to hit turn 9 for the enhanced Albert load. Not a lot of decks will offer both opportunities

1 pp
reduce the cost of all your cards in hand by 1
draw a card

"nothing"

draw a card
nothing

getting smacked by their Quickblader a second time
Literally nothing.

Dshift is tier 1 now
Ayy

Servant of darkness
5 pp
13/13
Do nothing

Fervor, Banner.

That is actually the very definition of interaction. You are playing minions and they are interacting with them.
The thing about DShift is you cannot interact with their combo at all. You can snipe a Seraph, but you can't do anything to stop DShift besides ward up and pray (it never works because they have fiery embrace/wind balst)

link to channel? I cant navigate nip sites.

Thanks dude

peepee for peepee peerless stats
do nothing

If you're referring to the +200 points, sometimes when you win in master you don't get awarded your points after the game. During your next one they will give you another 100 points to make up for it.

Optimal control sword is going to cost 70k+ vials next expansion

I fucking hate this card. Literally does nothing but get removed.

retarded namefag

Wait I've seen this happen to me yesterday

That does something. It makes you lose the game.

openrec.tv/live/MjD1gmUnP4F

Dude laddering with Aggro Blood. Curious about the list myself.

Cool, I thought it was some secret thing with bonus points for high masters.

It has the effect of giving me a boner when i drop a khawy in front of it

Just because because I'm retarded, that doesn't mean I'm also stupid.

12PP
So that's how its done!

No you dingus, when i drop a khawy in front of it as an opponent

12pp
The Shadow player drops the Khawy against their opponent's servant you dumb fuck

Wyvern Cavalier newfag

We need that card from the HS which increases the cost of the spells by 5(?) for the next turn. It's the only way to cuck DShift.
Someone please post that card, I don't remember it's name.

37597

Concede pls

one game away from getting into AA0 rank
lose 5 games into a row that counters me

The games ai cheats so fucking bad on chapter 7 of every character it's bullshit

You ain't seen nothing until the AI pulls Leonidas with Nep.

loatheb

Loatheb

Thanks Vampy!

Having this in your opening hand just feels so nice

Wow, you know what? I may be retarded but at least I'm not RUDE.

lewd

he hasn't play chapter 11 forest

Shadow and sword on chapter 11 was really easy though. My budget aggro deck won easily by turn 6/7 before they pull any bullshit.

What if this was changed to:

Pheonix Egg;
Amulet CD 2
Last Words: Summon a Pheonix Roost

Trade a turn of
do nothing
for a turn of
dump high cost hand

That is actually the very definition of interaction. You are playing minions and they are interacting with them.
D-shift also plays minions.
The thing about DShift is you cannot interact with their combo at all.
Try to interact with multimple tribunals or prevent heals, board wipes. That's basically the same lvl of autism, you just can't a do a thing. Sometimes you even have to skip turns because it's pointless to play something and see how it dies immediately. I don't see a difference with d-shift.
You can snipe a Seraph, but you can't do anything to stop DShift besides ward up and pray
Well, good luck with sniping aegis. Anyway i don't think that such a poor deck as d-shift should lose to control, that's the only "easy" opponent. There are lots of hard matchups for different crafts and decks too, so it's fair. You can't just make 50/50 chances for every single deck in the game.

You're an actual idiot if you don't understand the difference between DShift and Haven, or why DShift is a real problem.
I'll give you a hint though: there's a difference between a bad match-up and an unwinnable one

1 Albert
1 Daria
1 Seraph
enough vials to craft a second lego copy & missing golds for only one class

ffff

That is actually the very definition of interaction. You are playing minions and they are interacting with them.
Yes, THEY are interacting with YOU. The same way any dshift player uses cards that interact with your cards. The aggro player, however, has no opportunity to interact, because there are no counterspells and removal means your cards just eat shit and die, can't be helped. Control players spend 80% of their games deploying a strategy that's completely impossible to interact with, and then bitch and moan when a deck even more extreme comes along and forces them to be the beatdown for once. Entitled babies, the lot of them

5PP
Countdown(2). Fanfare: Gain an empty play point orb. Last Words: Summon a Phoenix Roost.

literally the only thing /svg/ predicted correctly about RoB meta was Otohime being kill.

Was DE meta more enjoyable than what we have now?

Are there any good forte h-doujins?

What we have now isn't perfect but it's fine overall.
DE was fine too. Unless you played Shadow because Haven was rampant.

What did the gooks mean by this?

of course

Whats up with the flying horse in the background.

I found it more enjoyable, but people still complained as is human nature.
Fairy Beast heals
PtP
OTOHIME SAMA O MAMORISHIMASU
Dshift
ELANA AND SERAPH REEEEEEEEEEE

So what are some tips to actually building decks? At this point I am kinda just smashing cards together for no rhyme or reason except for the whole mana curve thing.

its satan dragon, what dont you get?

Looking for non concede win, can concede after if you need
23543

loses 2 alberts
concedes with full hp

Does storm haven have a bad matchup against Daria? I don't know whether I'm still fucking up my playstyle against them (very likely) or its something meta related.

Just net deck until you have a basic understanding of card synergy.

This is a definition of a silly goose.

You're also retarded.
There's a difference between a deck that has a 40% winrate towards bad match-ups and 60% towards good ones, which is haven (minus shadow lol), and a deck that has a 20% winrate towards bad match-ups and 80% winrates towards good match-ups, which is DShift. One is par for the course, the other is atrociously horrible balance that upsets the game itself.
You also don't seem to understand what I mean by interaction; DShift is uninteractive because you cannot do anything to fight back against their win condition, no matter what cards you had available to you. And no, killing them before they kill you is not fighting back, because you'd need to play a completely different kind of deck
This isn't about bad match-ups, this is about match-ups that are automatic losses when you queue into them. Both for control against DShift AND for DShift against aggro. Stuff like this turns ladder into a roulette, where things are mostly pre-determined and it's almost entirely down to luck.
The thing about control decks vs creature-based decks is the creature based decks still have a fair chance to win. Once again, around 40%. That's not great, but it's far from hopeless. If it's like YOU said, where the creature v control is just as bad as control v DShift, then creature decks would have winrates in the low 20% against decks like Haven. The thing is, you still don't have great early game as control, so you're completely susceptible to getting curved out against aggro like everyone else, or stormed out by sword or whatever. The win condition of the creature decks is still more than capable of winning against the control decks, whereas the win condition of control decks can never win against DShift. That's the fundamental difference, and that's why DShift is such a problem.

Find a craft you like (and hopefully have a few legendaries for or the vials to get some), study the different viable deck types within the craft, learn what the power cards for that deck are and build around them.

guise

i am at 24k points

scared of the future meta

how many games per day should i play to get aa0 before the next expansion? i am working and stuff

It's more than that.
You can stop the Seraph combo from going off. Granted, you only have a turn to do so and the options are extremely limited but at least it's possible.
There's literally nothing you can do to stop Dshift from going off other than killing them before it happens.

Thanks to the whining about dshift in this thread, I've switched from playing dshift (which I find fun despite the low winrate) to tempocraft. I hope you've had fun and interactive games if you happened to play me on ladder!

Dragon Counsel and Angel of the Word in current year

100% yes, Storm is way too slow and doesn't ahve nearly enough removal to deal with Daria. Daria also runs kaleidoscopic glow, which is the only card besides petrification that can actually fuck with storm haven early on.

mooooom, bring me camera!

Why is Albert so hot

Why can't this happen more often? He never drew a Levi and had to summon a Daria without spell boost before the concede.

You're an actual idiot if you don't understand the difference between DShift and Haven
They play different but the key concept of no interaction exist in both decks and i already described it in previous post. You can call me anything you want but that just means you're another whiner who can't even support his own opinion. Let's make another "d-shift should be deleted/nerfed" post instead.
or why DShift is a real problem.
D-Shift isn't a problem, it bricks harder than daria and poor wr tells everything, the deck is underwhelming, control whiners shouldn't be invincible.
I'll give you a hint though: there's a difference between a bad match-up and an unwinnable one
It's not unwinnable, besides d-shifts struggles against aggro just as much you can look at win rates, quite similar to d-shift vs control. But you don't care cause you don't play d-shift, right?

Deck?

There was almost 0 chance of him coming back unless he was packing bahamuts anyway and drew into his 3rd albert.

I play Haven and people concede to me all the time with these kind of spreads too, and for good reason.

were you that tempo rune i recently stomped on their trials with aggro blood?

i am working and stuff
You could be grinding games right now instead of posting on Veeky Forums

Why is AA2 hell on earth

angel of the word activates siegried, picks off annoying little shits, and 2-turn kills with asterophs because no one lets you have a board after you go satan mode.

council is because the deck has no real win condition besides satan so you have to draw him. its good after satan too because ever drawing more than 1 apocalypse card a turn is broken.

Win 1 (one) private match

pls help 87142

nope, i am at work, my lunch break just ended and i am waiting a guy with a bunch of papers etc etc

so, how many games would it take?

Well duh
Albert is the sole win con to that deck, and unless he was bahmut which is unlikely he knew he was screwed.
Hell i probably would have conceded once you droped oliva

Homebrew Daria

show me rank fag

Thanks again man

not really unless they draw perfectly, the only deck i really struggle against as storm haven is bunga sword

angel of the word is one of the best neutral aggro cards, retard

that's why it's run by aggro shadow, "midrange" sword, face dragon and aggro blood

Albert is the sole win con to that deck
shit /svg/ says

ty vampy

Fucking idiots, most of the time there IS NO BOARD TO INTERACT WITH in the first place. Dshit is interacting with my board, but how do I interact with dshits cards?
The answer: i don't. I just watch them shuffle. Until the very end, where they drop their minions, and guess what, they can't be fucking interacted with either because of the brilliant card that is D-shift.

Great fucking game.

ah yes, 3 demonic strikes instead of 2.

Thanks for helping me with mine.

aggro blood at 60k+ MP

I am not too sure about the number of copies past 3PP, so I make assumptions based on how frequent those cards pop up in his stream.

But you don't play d-shift, right
Wow so we have a d-shift player trying to deny that their deck is incredibly problematic for the overall health of the game and its insanely skewed match-ups and literally uncounterable win condition are perfectly fine, and tries to pretend it's the same as removal.
Who would have thought.
It's not unwinnable, besides d-shifts struggles against aggro just as much you can look at win rates, quite similar to d-shift vs control. But you don't care cause you don't play d-shift, right?
That's part of the problem.
No one is saying Dshift is overpowered. We're saying DShift completely nullifying a single archetype because it has LITERALLY NO FUCKING COUNTERPLAY is really stupid.
And before you say fucking anything, there is actually counterplay to removal. Playing around removal, knowing when to push for damage aggressively or to try and keep the board, knowing when to take risks, etc. are all valid ways of playing against controlling decks when you're aggro/midrange.
For instance, let's take tribunal. Tribunal is random, so playingmultiple weak minions isntead of a big one will nullify its effect. Let's talk Themis. You know Themis is coming around t6, so don't play out your hand before then unless your opponent is having a slow start. Let's talk baldy; you can pre-emptively evolve a minion defensively so baldy can't go 2-for-1. Removal can be played around.
D-Shift fucking can't.
B-but just play more aggressively with your control deck!!!!
Yeah, you can't.

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY BANISH AMULET CARD CYGAMES!?

SERAPH NEEDS TO BE NEUTERED

thats the number 2 guy right? I know the number 1 guy uses fortress and killer devil but no idea what the rest is.

Strange, I have a much easier time with sword than daria

paraneko like paraolympic?

link?

Just petrifaction bro.

AA0 is 33k so about 90 games in a row. There is no point in climbing when there is no master reward this month.

aotw

yeah, the new meta just as i thought

They literally printed it in the same set as Seraph for that very purpose you dope.
I don't understand why they decided to give Seraph counterplay but still haven't printed any interaction against DShift

See

Don't you stay in masters once you get there?

Daria really random, she may brick or pull daria into full board of oglers. Ancient Lion helps, or even 1of Themis.

where to buy this bunny

Yeah but daily is s bit harder if you don't have a deck for all class. Just play casually and do the daily mission.

I think he is #1 at the moment at 70k. These nips are nuts when they grind.

Yeah, the unpredictability of rune is what kills me I think. First of all, it's never clear from the beginning whether they're daria, d shift, or some weird hybrid. And even once I know, like you said, it's hard to tell whether I should be going ham or being more conservative.

Isn't it a default art someone just went and printed because they can?

But daily mission is a bit harder*

momposting is kinda dead since haven is meh right now

The middle of AA2 to the middle of AA3 were the hardest parts of the climb to Master since you're nearly always playing against people lower or around the same score as you. Once you get into the last part of AA3 it's a little more bearable since you run into Master players more often, who will give you a win bonus no matter what.

There is no point in climbing when there is no master reward this month

for masters maybe

i don't want date sleeves too

but i would like to be at a burnproof rank till the meta settles out

Glad they can make blood work. At B2 its rough since a lot of people are playing janky haven and shadow lists.

i have stomped through b with aggro blood ~2 weeks ago

I finally found motivation and going to grind masters tonight from the bottom of AA3
wish me luck

Hm to be fair, I'm just judging that off the blood dailies I did today so the sample size is about 6 games.

I've used this deck and it's pretty good. Even Alucard works out since sometimes you're glad you put him in the deck for that 4 damage.

54055
Need a concede.

Why is this allow? What's up with japanese and their shitty streaming tactics.

fill my board with bats
Alexander
I can't believe you done this.

While people are talking about Aggro Blood. You play the new Chaos Ship in there right?

Why are you trying to watch nip streams in the first place.

Thanks

Stuff like this turns ladder into a roulette, where things are mostly pre-determined and it's almost entirely down to luck.
Luck is a huge part in card games, you can't just remove it. You either accept the rules or play something else, different decks complain in the thread

I lost an aggro blood matchup where my deck was almost identical to this, but I had 2 goblins and no Alucard and he won because of his Alucard. Seems like a strong card. That other one that's a 4 or 5 drop that gets storm with vengeance might be good too, but I'm not sure.

jap internet is stuck in third world

Once again, there's a difference between typical card game luck and the beast that is DShift. When things get too extreme, they become unhealthy

fill your board with bats
angelic barrage

Want to play SV and rank up
But there is Power Rangers stream in Twitch

WHAT DO???

watching western streamer

Lmao

wasted another day shitposting on /svg/ waiting for leaks

you can't remove something entirely therefore you should let it run rampant and turn your game into an optimization problem
brilliant argument faggot

power rangers stream
wat

Guys how do you make Storm Haven viable

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
pepe

Daria vs neph is completely unwinnable unless you get a turn 4 daria

laulrelia

the problem with alucard it's that there will be games when you need a storm follower on 6th turn and get alucard instead

What should the last 3 cards be? I don't want to take out Mini Soul Devil.

I miss Alexander.
Fuck Cyclone Blade. CHAAAARGE is where it's at

having everything on full screen
twitch tv is streaming the entire power rangers franchise. still on mighty morphin.

mfw they're powering up their JO crystals

what if we made a card with on-curve stats that also healed yourself to full health?
and you could have three of them in a deck?

Stuff like this turns ladder into a roulette, where things are mostly pre-determined and it's almost entirely down to luck.
the fact that the card you draw every turn is random turns ladder into a fucking roulette
I play dshift specifically when I want to avoid close matchups where things could go either way depending on how slightly luckier one person or the other is with the way their cards were ordered
if you think people who feel that way shouldn't have their feelings catered to, that's a fine opinion and you're entitled to it, just realize that Cygames doesn't seem to agree with you based on the fact that they haven't ever touched or even mentioned dshift, and probably never will

constantly in top 10
third world

problem is that alucard isnt as useful against non-aggro match ups

play shitty rune-infested game
or watch power rangers

The choice is clear.

I can't think of a good non-retarded filename, help

DShift player still doesn't get the difference
Maybe one day user. Maybe one day.
Also they're never going to fix it because their primary market is casual mobile players and have a soft cap on match length, and DShift is good at enforcing that soft cap

running more than 2 seems bad

-imp lancer
+Dark General
+bloodymary or vampire queen

+1 imp
+1 dstrike
dont know about the last one, maybe another horde

on curve stats
That's like saying Gobu has on curve stats just because her effect is good.

It's aggro not cuckrange

ah no wonder might watch as well then until ToG releases

And all of them after the first wouldn't be very useful because the first ate all the fuel

Maybe you just suck at gameplay and that's why you attribute your losses completely to luck and go play a deck with such broken matchups you can't fuck them up.

lmao

play this
play nature guidance and play it again
Forest is the pet class

Is Midrange any good? This is just a deck for Blood dailies.

Play it again
It heals for 1
Wow what a power play.
You people are seem to be forgetting something kind of important about this card.

No, Chaos Ship is for midrange. Even then it probably won't be that good.

Time to PTP Sword

play again
heal for 1

Is Midrange any good?
it's barely playable, you will lose to everything including other meme decks

Is JO dragon the most fun deck in the game? Even when I lose I'm still smiling about the memes.

- alucard
- 2x seul devil
+ imp lancer
+ demonic strike
+ night horde
+ 3 angel of the word

people think Elf Queen will always full heal
people think Competitive Spirit says "minions can't attack face"
these cards are fine but are being misjudged so badly.

No, Dirt PtP is

probably had a higher masters placing in february than you did, buddy
if you're still a trench shitter and you desperately need to tighten up your play, it's understandable that you would zoom in with laser focus on the parts of the game that are under your control, but it's sheer delusion to pretend that most games aren't hugely determined by who shuffled better

That's what Competitive Spirit means when it has Aegis back-up.
I don't know where people are getting these lofty ideas about Elf Queen though

Goodnight bloodkin

Worst case scenario, Ship summons 1 Goblin. That's a 4/6 for 5 split over 2 bodies that also thins your deck by 1 card. You're delusional if you think it won't be an auto-include in every Blood deck

Best-case scenario it wins you the game on the spot

Goodnight forever

Blood sucks, they said.

kicked seraph multiple times
dealt with forest after a fairy beast play

probably had a higher masters placing in february than you did, buddy
i probably had a higher placing playing a deck that maximizes the impact of matchup luck/the meta being favorable to my preferred deck and minimizes the impact of gameplay
wow that's really impressive.

but it's sheer delusion to pretend that most games aren't hugely determined by who shuffled better
the majority of games don't have to be determined by who played better. swing an occasional game by outplaying them and suddenly you're climbing. dshift doesn't even have that, it's just faggots playing roulette and taking advantage of the fact that people don't enjoy playing face decks

sweet dreams

Seraph is, and has always been, a good match-up for aggro blood dumb vampy

Unless they turn 3 temple defender and turn 5 lion to fuck your shit up

People are too busing memeing with PtP and Conjuring Force Snowmen in Masters. It's why you see those shitty decks with 20 GAME WIN STREAK IN MASTERS on gamepress so often.

maybe for you, but to me giving people free wins feels awful

a0-a3 is the true pinnacle of skill since everyone tryhards with the TOP meta decks

tempocraft
You mean Daria? I started leveling Rune in ranked also.

Conjuring Force Snowmen is the only good version of DShift.
I hope we get snowman support

Funny thing is that all his 15 matches have none of that.

I wonder what is his reason for not running fortress. I'd like to see what you guys think.

The infamous "complain on /gamename general/" playstyle has the highest winrate in every game.

Fortress is shit

Wow so we have blah blah blah
So we have a hater who just twists my words upside down. The card is already in the game for a long time and people build various decks with it. Too late to just BOOM, LET'S DELETE IT. They should've thought about it before implementing d-shift, by they i mean cygames, that just means that they're satisfied with such "unfair" match ups. Personally i don't mind, let people play different things. I can always do some take two runs if i am tired from bad match ups or just switch to another deck, no biggie.
LITERALLY NO FUCKING COUNTERPLAY is really stupid.
Play as an aggro, like control sword. I already know your answer, you can't, because your deck's supposed to be played different, then it's your weakness. Suck it up or make your control deck more viable against d-shift, there are ways.
And before you say fucking anything, there is actually counterplay to removal.
It's not like your counterplay options exist in every game, just like with d-shift. There are a lot of times when you can't do a thing. Ofc winrates are not that bad, it was just an example. You just have to accept this game as a card game with a lot of rng influence, because it was designed that way. Decks like d-shift, daria, seraph, etc. You can counterplay seraph with odins but you have to draw them, or you have to draw dshift to speelboost it for turn7-8 lethal. Honestly this is going nowhere. somehow people expect to play a card game without rng but cygames just keep on developing new rng cards, which is fine by itself, that's the course of shadowverse, just deal with it.

ANTS BOYS

Honestly, a 15 game winstreak with aggro isn't that unbelievable.
Say what you want but at the end of the day aggro is very luck based; meaning you can basically win against anything if you they don't draw enough early game. Aggro's ladder strength is the fast games combined with that luck means you can rack up wins very quickly, but on the flipside you can get absolutely fucked other days. Aggro is almost as coinflippy as Daria

He thinks Fortress is tempo loss. It's good when it works but when you have nothing to combo with it's an actual brick unlike your high cost cards that'll actually do something later.

It's a 2PP do nothing

new:
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Let me enhance for you.

post new thread you fucking cuck

I'm not even going to justify any of your bullshit with a real response anymore because you are completely ignoring the difference between typical card game luck/typical bad match-ups and what DShift does, so
Defending DShift this hard
Top fucking kek.

therefore you should let it run rampant and turn your game into an optimization problem
me losing is a huge problem, fix fast, jap niggerz
Brilliant delusion, crybaby.

a lot of people don't run it

it's fun but way too conditional

if it generated a bat regardless if there is a bat on the field or not it would be actually must have

As somebody who has played with Aggro Blood, I put away a copy as getting all 3 is a serious brick.

While you can pull some nice damage combos, they're rare and you're getting very little value for a 2 drop. Many times when you activate it, you also pop the thing so you get a single bat overall.

You're also not guaranteed to get your batpieces with your Fortresses. While your Vanias, Bloodkins, and Night Hordes are useful alone, the Fortress is not.

In a slightly more midrange version I run Bloody Mary, Precious Bloodfangs, and Queen Vampire, but yeah, Fortress with just the Bloodkins and Vania isn't incredibly consistent.

Good aggro is consistent.

I'm not even going to justify any of your bullshit with a real response anymore
Mkay.
Attacking DShift this hard
Git gud or get rekt.

FASTER, SERVANT!

he tell Retarded Namefag to fuck off
he don't fuck off

I've only ever played blood aggro and I've never used fort. Your other bat cards provide enough bat generation and the nuke imo is underwhelming compared to other 2 drop 'tech'. Yusurius works against other aggro decks or 2 2/x cards, while blood wolf fits in pretty much every other situation. Summon bloodkin obviously combos with the othe rbat cards as well as being good against rune and dragon

need to beat dailies to get rupies
need to get rupies to beat dailies
???

Play Bahamut