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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Official Website:
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New expansion "Tempest of the Gods":
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Current revealed cards:
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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

in this thread we make well thought-out arguments

no strawmen allowed

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

no

DeathDog
DeathDog

This game needs more art. I'm tired of seeing the same shit every thread.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
Help pls

Spamalot
Spamalot

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games

OH HEY DID I FORGET TO MENTION THAT FOREST GOT A 3PP "AUTOWIN-AGAINST-AGGRO-WHEN-PLAYED-ON-CURVE-AMULET" SO SHITTY ROACH COMBO DECKS DONT EVEN NEED AN EARLY GAME OR OTHER 2PP FOLLOWERS?

AND CYGAMES DIDNT GIVE ANYTHING THIS GOOD TO OTHER CLASSES FOR THEIR COMBO DECKS.

Literally, how can Forest players be so up their own asses that they keep defending this garbage.

happy_sad
happy_sad

What's the difference between masters and AA3?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Chaos Ship

Silver Bloodcraft Follower

5 PP 3/4

Fanfare : Summon a random follower that costs 2 play points or less from your deck. If Vengeance is active. Summon 2 random followers that costs 2 play points or less instead.

your opponent is playing control blood and the ship summons 2 of pic related

What do?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I want to fuck vampy

DeathDog
DeathDog

implying Albert Sword, the best Sword, will use any of the new Tempest cards other than Luminous Mage
kys C0 shitters

Booteefool
Booteefool

thx m8

Soft_member
Soft_member

BEAST DOM LEADER WHEN?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Ethereal and hit his face with Atomy for lethal

likme
likme

Forest is the protagonist class. Why wouldn't they be top tier?

Techpill
Techpill

5pp
Themis

TechHater
TechHater

"albert pls carry my craft in the next expansion like otohime"

t.unga shitter

whereismyname
whereismyname

You have problems.

King_Martha
King_Martha

You can't fuck fictional characters you retard

Bidwell
Bidwell

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
broken shit? Gawain? A slow ass Spellboost: Reduce cost by 1 that needs an evo point otherwise he dies next turn. Luminous Mage? A powercreep'd Monika that can evolve itself for free and then dies next turn so you will never use it to evolve other followers unless you play him with Albert on Turn 10. Roland? Frontguard General is better, Roland's amulet is almost useless in the late game.

You're a fucking moron if you think Luminous Mage is bad.

Who cares if Luminous Knight dies the next turn when her effect ONLY LASTS ONE TURN ANYWAYS?

I swear Sword players don't even know the cards in their own deck.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

FUCKING SCANS WHEN???

RumChicken
RumChicken

Now, will the ship trigger fanfares or not?

whereismyname
whereismyname

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
At least address the post you are refering to directly, instead of throwing the good old "Enjoy your 3 more months of Elana and Midsword" like a retard.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Master is at least 5 times harder than AA3
All the players in Masters are absolute pros and missplays are a rare occurrence

They make AA3 look like a walk in the park

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

You're a fucking moron if you think Luminous Mage is bad.
Please quote the part where I call Luminous Mage bad. Fucking retard.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Not much, although I suppose you stop getting paired with A rank shitters altogether at that point.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Why aren't you playing the best version of Dirt Rune?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

stop doing it . blood will never be able to use any shit besides stabdart aggrobat

All blood card makes sense is not like daria or albert evo t9

Flameblow
Flameblow

randomly random a random random, random again if condition
I give it two expansions before we're literally hearthstone.

StonedTime
StonedTime

No. It summons them, it does not play them. Just like how Saha does not trigger fanfares.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

this is a joke right

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

well, he did say he WANTS to, not that he will

no goddamnit, shit like that never does

fanfare only activates when played from the hand by using pp (even if 0) and not through effects

iluvmen
iluvmen

Fanfares only activate when played from hand with PP. The ship sticks them onto your board directly from your deck, like Nep does.

Methshot
Methshot

This guy is baiting

TreeEater
TreeEater

kys

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Is Themis useful for Storm Haven?

If not, would 2x Seraph be enough for an archetype deck or do you need three?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
Daria's overall win rate is just barely holding at 50%
Dirt and Dshift are both negative and always have been even pre-patch

And yet most of the top 100 is STILL Dshift.

It's almost as if Dshift's disgusting winrate in the Top 1000 is brought down by all the idiots at lower ranks who can't pilot the deck.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Don't say things like that, people might actually believe you

Illusionz
Illusionz

Albert with ward

NICE FUCKING GAME.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

they always bring HS to the thread

takes2long
takes2long

Getting mixed signals. So is it worth the hassle of rushing through AA3 or not?

farquit
farquit

So why are you disagreeing with me then when you fully acknowledge sword is getting all these fucking busted new cards?

cum2soon
cum2soon

No, because there's never been any precedent of that happening?

You'd use it to pull Vampy, the new gold 2-drop imps, or maybe even Yurius

Which makes me want to ask the user who made an explosive castle turn deck before it got hit by gobu nerf. Do you think chaos ship work as a replacement? I'm curious.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Or maybe it's because dshift is a deck that loses to storm decks which everyone runs right now

Skullbone
Skullbone

let's play take two
easy modo swordcraft
draft is nothing special
guess I can push two or even three win with some luck
a fucking 5-0 for the first time
Not sure if I was just extremely lucky or my deck was actually pretty good and I need improve my card valuation skill, but it sure feel so good, especially when last two game was very tight.
Also holy shit, I didn't expected you got 280 rupies for 5 wins.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

on two bodies so you can't simply use hard removal on it, while also having enough defense to be over every board clear other than Themis and Revelation

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

A ranked shitters are a liability to your rating, since bad draws are more of a problem than skill in this game. It's easier to rank up when you face nothing but low master players, due to the bonus rating from winning and less rating from losing.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

The only real difference between AA3 and Master is the amount of time you have to grind to reach it and you're locked into Master once you get there.
Fucking hell you fight Master players literally all the time in AA3.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Turn 10
Has to actually work to reduce enemy health because forest has a grand total of 2 other storm followers

w8t4u
w8t4u

let's try and diverge a little from the expansion and ask ourselves

if you could improve the ladder system, or revamp it entirely, what would be the best to keep the game competitive and making it so high ranks actually matter in terms of skill?

hairygrape
hairygrape

Ah yes skillful good decks will be brought down to the negatives by less skilled players, that's why OTK Roach was always leagues ahead of Daria with 55%+ win rate

cum2soon
cum2soon

Montly resets or at least downgrades (i.e one letter grade) would help a lot. However, the rating system itself would have to be redesigned to take less rating per rank, it's clear that it takes a fuckton of rating at the high ranks purely because it never resets.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

tfw you're an absolute pro who keeps forgetting he's going first and plays his evolve effect followers turn 4 to get shit on

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

destroy the ladder and make monthly tourny where everyone fight with a mmr to win rewards.

RumChicken
RumChicken

BETTER HEALS THAN HAVEN

It's an autowin button, basically.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Go watch any Top 1000 Dshift streamer and watch them get 50% winrates against every aggro deck besides shadow.

On top of that the deck obviously makes mincemeat out of control decks.

SO HEY LETS GIVE RUNE ANOTHER FUCKING SPELLBOOST TUTOR TO BALANCE THINGS

TechHater
TechHater

Best 2 out of 3
Sideboard
Matches give more points/you need less points overall to rank up so it's not such a massive grind this way

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

This list from a master player runs it. I however never played it and take no responsibility for it.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Has to actually work to reduce enemy health because forest has a grand total of 2 other storm followers
ROACH HAS PROBLEMS DEALING 10 DAMAGE

Spamalot
Spamalot

The counterplay to the amulet is to simply not attack, just build a board so WoTF can't clear well and you can resume your unga in a couple turns.

If you're worried about them dropping a second one then play Execution instead of DoD, it'll probably be the correct meta call anyway since there will be greedy control decks experimenting with Test of Strength for sure.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

tfw he doesn't have a second Dshit

w8t4u
w8t4u

The only real difference between AA3 and Master is the amount of time you have to grind to reach it and you're locked into Master once you get there.
The sheer amount of exp needed is holding me back for now, yeah. Do you even get free packs and stuff at the end of season for being master rank?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Sort of new to the game. How is my aggro blood list? Any changes that should be made?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

playing haven, rune, dragon (if using forte as leader) or sword gives you zero (0) ladder points.

Soft_member
Soft_member

People stream this game?
Never watched a stream of it before might check it out

5mileys
5mileys

go to bed eliza

Snarelure
Snarelure

How the hell would downgrades help anything?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Add real MMR system and placement matches, while also resetting ranks every X time.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Cows!!!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Luminous Mage
busted
Maybe in a world without Daria and Elf Queen, you shitter.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Game is literally fucking Forestverse now.

What the fuck were the devs thinking?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Cygames has done that themself.

RumChicken
RumChicken

So if it summons say, 2 blood wolves

they wont consume HP but will have storm,correct?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

remove MSD and test bloodpact in the deck since you are using Dark General

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

with their pedo dicks obviously.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

cows

Inmate
Inmate

Just ignore his board this turn, flood your board with trash, hit face and leave you're board with 1/1s
Meanwhile sword
T5, T6, T9 Albert
Win

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

yes exactly

TechHater
TechHater

What's the most bullshit T2 deck you've faced?

FastChef
FastChef

ARE YOU ENJOYING FORESTVERSE GUYS???

JunkTop
JunkTop

Correct.

askme
askme

Just don't attack for turns 4 and 5 as aggro
Still possible to win

What did he mean by this?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Blood pact in aggro blood seems iffy

SniperWish
SniperWish

You mean Swordverse?
I don't get why everyone is still whining about how Forest is overpowered, they're tier 2 now.

girlDog
girlDog

As long as I don't have to see Levi, yes.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Hey, whatever, just means I don't have to put up with Runeverse

Methshot
Methshot

try 3 angel of the word or even crazed executioner over msd since you have dark generals, cut a demonic strike and add a night horde, then one more cut

Methnerd
Methnerd

posters making a big deal out of card reveals again
expansion hits
nothing happens
just another pre-expac season in /svg/

TreeEater
TreeEater

they're tier 2 now
And tier 0 in the near future, friendo.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Yeah, it's not like Forest can go turn 5 Tia -> turn 6 Fairy Beast heal for 6+ -> turn 7 Queen heal for 15+
Good luck getting enough damage in to kill with Albert on 9.

Skullbone
Skullbone

just demonic strike bro

SniperWish
SniperWish

Are you talking about runeverse? they have 2 archetypes that are cancer.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Who cares if Luminous Knight dies the next turn when her effect ONLY LASTS ONE TURN ANYWAYS?
I swear Sword players don't even know the cards in their own deck.

But nobody fucking plays Luminous Knight now.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Just watch someone like failgun or soulkek or any of the numerous Asian Dshift streamers.

They get CONSISTENT wins against aggro on top basically free wins against control.

girlDog
girlDog

i want to grab forte by the horns and tenderly breed her!

askme
askme

RIP 5 am user.

FastChef
FastChef

Has to waste 3 evolve
meanwhile I can just bounce creatures and get a 8/9ward on turn 4
Albert comes out on the opponent's turn and dies lmao

Lunatick
Lunatick

all these shitters complaining about rune when Havenserve is getting more retard OP cards

Soft_member
Soft_member

This already happens with Elana Haven for me, I can't fucking kill it no matter what, they always heal back any face damage I do, and trading is useless too.

idontknow
idontknow

I never played dshift since I have no merlins but I'll check the stream

Skullbone
Skullbone

Blood pact in aggro is just bad.

Serpent Charmer is far superior if you want self-damage in aggro.

RavySnake
RavySnake

muh otk castle meme

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

You will never facefuck dorke while using her horns as handles

Spamalot
Spamalot

Double bahamut and themis good enough? i won
Also i drafted haven with double moon bunny, olivia and double jeanne in a private match and my friend left accidentally before the match so the deck went boom.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Rune's problems aren't about how Rune is overpowered, Rune completely fucks over one archetype and their ridiculously skewed match-ups just enforce match-up roulette on ladder hard. It's a very poorly designed class.
Except Earth Rite, which is just a bit underpowered but can still hold its own. And hilariously gets fucked by DShift.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Get off the internet, Luna.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

trading is useless too.
Trading is not useless, it's what you are supposed to do with Elana. You can't let them set up a board.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

-Drop everyone to A0 every set release
-Increase minimum point loss so you always drop at least 100 points past B rank, add winstreak bonuses below masters, and reset rank achievements (ie 100 gold per sub-rank increase)
-Masters rewards start one month after set reset, run every month until the next set, and reset points each month
-Actually step in and change cards in a timely manner if something is completely breaking the meta instead of waiting 2 months

I'd also like to see an in-game tournament system that requires gold buy-in.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

which one?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Pedophiles go home!!

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Eventually their turns will have enough mana where they can create creatures from hand that are essentially unkillable
That's about when you want to be hitting board clears of the absolute variety, but there can be a few turns there where you simply can't

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

game is dragonverse
dragon can drop baha t6 and just win

lulz nice game

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

This new card is basically Assault Commander that gets a free EVO to clear a body on top of even more value IF a commander is on the board already.

Shit is going to be in every sword deck except the Maidcraft maybe.

askme
askme

Rowen - Middle

idontknow
idontknow

T5 Tia
Dies to removal
T6 fairy beast
Because you have much of a hand when you need to stack your deck for the early game to not get run over
T7 queen
Where the fuck are you going to get 15+ shadows on T7

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

forest is the hardest class to play to be honest

im glad its strong (not strongest)

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

game is so balanced everyone is complaining about every class

Skullbone
Skullbone

dragon > haven > blood

Firespawn
Firespawn

Well yeah, he's a powercreep'd version of Monika, basically. But that's the only real new Sword staple I'm seeing so far.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Thanks man

Lunatick
Lunatick

Praythegayaway/10

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

dragon

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

forest is the hardest class to play to be honest

Are you kidding me?

Tempo Forest is just refined unga. That's all it is.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Nobody complains about the trash that is Shadow. Nobody in high masters plays it.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Why does everyone want to drop ranks?
I like rank being permanent, it keeps the top players where they belong and it also means you don't have to constantly grind ladder. Making everyone drop ranks would just make ladder even grindier

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Whichever your dailies ask of you.

If nothing, then go with blood. Some of the most fun games I've had in T2 were comebacks due to vengeance. It's a bit harder to draft for blood, though.

If you're new, go with dragon. Probably the simplest to draft for.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

everyone
90% of the general are unga swords and luna pedos

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

what are Dragon players

TreeEater
TreeEater

So what's the general opinion on Jungle Bungle? Broken? Is /svg/ embarrassing itself again like with Maahes?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

people complaining about all the classes
mfw sitting here playing discard dragon. it's fun

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I don't get this meme
Pussy boy complaining about getting his ass kicked?

King_Martha
King_Martha

that's because everyone is a shitter who only plays one craft

who /atleast1deckforeverycraft/ here?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I hate balanced and diverse games is impossible to tech against when nothing is common.

idontknow
idontknow

Just Odin the Khawy bro.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

100 crystals per pack and 150 per arena ticket
W-what?

eGremlin
eGremlin

I probably want the dragon that fucking blows the entire board up right? He sounds awesome

whereismyname
whereismyname

Albert with ward for Forest
You answer.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Broken on turn 10, instant win.

RavySnake
RavySnake

No one, i repeat NO ONE, complains about blood.

Blood is literal dogshit mate.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

2wymin using menstrual blood to lie in the internet

he is more midrange. with a strong midgame bu

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Me, but I use memeshit like Snowman Rune and JO Crystal because I don't have Darias or Dorks. Even my sword deck has trash cards like Leonidas and Otohime.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I see people are talking about a supposed "albert with ward for forest" Did forest get a 5pp 9pp(enhance) 3/5 storm ward?

Playboyize
Playboyize

25/25 for 5 mana
not absolute cancer

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

If you're offered bahamut, he's almost an insta-pick. There's only a few cards (depending on what you get with bahamut especially) that would make me reconsider.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

forgot pic

Firespawn
Firespawn

What is this new Forest card everyone's talking about?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Shitters complain about aggro blood though

TechHater
TechHater

Right here.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

using crystals outside of the daily deal for packs

That's the one thing I'd criticize about the game, outside of sales and stuff packs are just a tad too expensive. Otherwise I'd shill the fuck out of this game.

whereismyname
whereismyname

That dragon that fucking blows the entire board is Neutral tho

Booteefool
Booteefool

The people saying this won't be busted are the same people who said Albert wouldn't be good.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Blood is literal dogshit mate.
t5 win is bad
the best deck to win against all aggro and tempo rune

likme
likme

4PP Follower
1/2 → 3/4
Fanfare: Deal 2 damage to a random enemy follower. Give +2/+0 to a random other allied follower.

that 2 damage cannot go dome, just like other cards like Cannon Support or Zoe

Maybe being a balanced follower (4PP for goblin stat? Come on now) might just make this unplayable.

Methshot
Methshot

You get a guaranteed pack in take two and around 50 gold at average wins, what's your problem?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

They got a 5pp 4/5 Ward with Enhance (10): summon another copy and give all copies storm

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Here too

Playboyize
Playboyize

It's a fucking meme card unless they include a tech to fix vengeance.

Emberburn
Emberburn

59362

Concede please

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

It got a better card

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Why don't you keep yourself updated with the third link in the OP?

TechHater
TechHater

Looks like catsup

JunkTop
JunkTop

Leonidas
thrash
Stop.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

can't use chaos ship
have to give up t5 (Or at least settle for taking out only one unit
have to not get lethaled by board+damage from hand when in vengeance

The potential is strong, but so are Atomeme decks, and look at how they do.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Alright /svg/,

Can you find the Lethal?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

it's a very strong card stuck in a class that has better wincons.

roach decks and tempo forest would rather run feena and tia still and wolfbolt is better off just relying on them as well. they're giving control forest a lot of support so it should be a viable deck, i just doubt it'll be better than decks that rely on roach.

a control heavy deck won't have room for fairy generators, especially with all the good cards they've been given. this means they can't reasonably run tia or roach and have them be effective, maybe it'll be good at dealing with aggro but it'll be weak against other control decks that have better removals.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

4/5 5pp

ward

enhance(10): summon another and give them all storm

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

That's pretty good, but not as good as Albert in my opinion. Just slightly.

Emberburn
Emberburn

a 5pp 4/5 Ward with Enhance (10): summon another copy and give all copies storm
Please be joking.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

turn 9 do nothing compared to balanced Albert of 10 face damage and damage immunity

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

it keeps the top players where they belong
Because masters isn't top players, there are tons of shitters who spammed some OP deck months ago or people who just hard grinded with a 45% WR and eventually won enough in a row to advance. These people need to be kicked back out every few months and forced to prove there belong there again.

They can ease the grind by adding winstreak bonuses above B rank, which they should have anyway since it currently punishes people who just want monthly rewards and didn't sandbag B forever.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

turn 10
in turn8/9verse
pointless

Inmate
Inmate

I hope you feel good about that, you luckpull shitters.

TreeEater
TreeEater

what pick svg?
the supreme meme or the value

SniperGod
SniperGod

Evolve bat, play fortress, hit face

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

It's not exactly hard.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Evo a bat, go full on face, vamp fort, barrage

They die to Yurius's effect next turn.

farquit
farquit

evolve bat drop fortress and play angelic. He kills himself on his amulet.

Emberfire
Emberfire

turn 5 6/7 ward is nothing

Yes, you need an EP, but guess what? Forest has a card to generate them in ToG.

Firespawn
Firespawn

luckpull
LUCK
Pure skill.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Thanks vampy-chan

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

i hope this is a parody of when ppl posted their roach lethals, and even those were embarrassingly easy

viagrandad
viagrandad

Why does everyone want to drop ranks?
Autism.

Rank drops are a terrible idea.

SniperWish
SniperWish

turn 9 do nothing
implying
Back to B1 with you. You can't be this stupid.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

A ladder that never resets isn't really a ladder at all. I mean it's fine if you like the current system, but it's pretty dysfunctional.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Is /svg/ embarrassing itself again like with Maahes?
Yes.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Man, she's so much better than her sister. Those ears are just too cute.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

But they could just spam OP decks to get back there.
The fundamental problem here is 1 game ladder matches don't require much skill, if any at all, and you can make it to top ranks by playing an easy, OP deck (Sword) all the time. Shadowverse does not require nearly as much skill as people in this thread seem to wish it did. Making players drop rank would not fix the problem; it would just repeat the cycle. Everyone would play the no-effort OP deck of the set to get to Master easy, and then when they get kicked out they'd do it all over again. Literally nothing changes. If anything, this incentivizes people even MORE to play the easy top tier decks.
Rank drops are a shitty idea.
Master has its own ranked ladder that does reset though.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Cutest Waifu is unplayable
EVRY SINGLE TIME

Cygames....

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe they just need a tutorial explaining what the ranks mean, so people recognize the ladder isn't really a ladder until Masters.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I did it /svg/!

Supergrass
Supergrass

There's the ladder at master that works that way, isn't it?

Kicking some guy who spent months grinding back to A0 or whatever seems just a source of frustration.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

take two
get offered humpty dumpty
humpty dumpty is actually a card in this game

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Yes user

Illusionz
Illusionz

unplayable
implying

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Actually a decent T2 card desu

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Not knowing about the legend himself
You're not gonna crack him, are ya?

MPmaster
MPmaster

soul conversion floating
congrats shadowbro! the duel never ends.

Soft_member
Soft_member

The problem is that she is in Shadowcraft, and therefore needs to be balanced, If she was in Forestcraft, she would probably be a 2/2 -> 4/4 for 4PP.

Inmate
Inmate

I mean I guess this is sort of needed? It seems kind of obvious to anyone with half a brain though.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I picked him, he seems pretty good. I hope I don't have to crack him in a match :(

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

not picking t2 decks to be a close as possible to JO dragon

Spamalot
Spamalot

And get reduced cost for playing fairies

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Well if she was in Rune she could be good too but Blood, Dragon and Shadow waifus MUST be bad.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

If she was blood probaly would deal 15 damage to the. own face

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

You guys know that not every Forest card is broken and that there are plenty of completely dogshit Forest cards, right?
And that Shadow has its own fair of dumb shit, right?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I try to, but I honestly can't stand trying to play some of them sometimes. Aggro Blood just gets fucked sideways in the higher ranks, and I don't have enough experience with Haven to offset its dumpster tier win rates.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Storm haven is pretty easy (and good)

StonedTime
StonedTime

Forest card is broken and that there are plenty of completely dogshit Forest cards, right?
And that Shadow has its own fair of dumb shit, right?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

So a 5PP 4/5 ward with late game potential is dogshit, user?

lurching corpse and attendant cannot trade except with wards

takes2long
takes2long

Suck my dick Elizabeth.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

15 damage own face for 4 mana is pretty good with mary.

SniperGod
SniperGod

FUCK Jungle Protector. At least with Bahamut dropped on Turn 10 you could still play around it and win, but this, this is bullshit.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Yes better storms that sword and better heals than haven oh so bad

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

How is everyone sitting at masters forever any better? It's already at the point where I just laugh at the clickbait 'X wins in masters!!', because I've seen some of the shitters on streams that made it to masters. Within a few more months it's not going to mean anything, and that's a problem.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

implying Khawy is balanced
Luna pedos should just kill themselves. They are the biggest crybabies ever and, unlike Dragon and Blood players, they have no right to be whining.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

8 mana play a 5/5, a 5/5 that respawns, destroy your opponent's highest attack creature, gain life equal to that creature's attack, and deal 3 to their board
sir???

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

You have khawy, you have an 11 damage turn 6 combo, and you're getting an upcoming 2 mana 2/2 effect: shit on anyone not playing board flood. Why are you pretending shadow is balanced again?

Supergrass
Supergrass

two jungle book cucking bahamut even if you remove either one

BEAR NECESSITIES

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

there are people who actually think orthrus isn't a good card

whereismyname
whereismyname

When the dailies hit just right

M O N E Y
O
N
E
Y

Nojokur
Nojokur

Say not every Forest card is broken
Immediately only talk about the good cards
You guys are fucking idiots. Every class gets garbage cards, and I'm not just talking about the filler commons.
Except Sword
And pretending Shadow doesn't have some completely ridiculous bullshit up their sleeves is hilarious. Shadow isn't even that bad, you guys are complete fucking whiners.

viagrandad
viagrandad

SHADOW NEEDS TO BE THE BEST
DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD A SLIGHLTY UNFAVORABLE MATCHUP WITH HAVEN?

askme
askme

Frontguard General and even Roland blocks both of them.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

What if enchance effect removed ward? nobody would give a shit

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

2 mana 2/2

Wait, you're telling me you have Shadows to spend on Soulsquasher or something

Khawy is broken shit!

Last time I do dailies with dragon, Luna put out 3 Kawaii and still lost even with 13 heal to face. What does that make me?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

But the 6 bazingolions of last words banished inDE?????

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

balor

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Zeus too :^)

MPmaster
MPmaster

he doesn't know

massdebater
massdebater

Don't forget they have one of the best legendaries in the game and legendary so good she has a deck built around her.
But no apparently Shadow is dumpster tier like pre-DE Haven was.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

w-we'll still get yurius and veight tier cards r-right

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

You guys are fucking idiots. Every class gets garbage cards, and I'm not just talking about the filler commons.

Name one blood card besides Razory Claw that could be considered broken or overpowered?

You literally can't.

hairygrape
hairygrape

requiring a follower on board to be good

There is Urd, Necroass and now Orthrus. You telling me they are not going to be active in removing your board.

Orthrus' fanfare is good, but her stat is abysmally bad because it has to be balanced out.

Playboyize
Playboyize

6 GORILLION OF BANISHED MORDECAIS

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Last time I do dailies with dragon, Luna put out 3 Kawaii and still lost even with 13 heal to face. What does that make me?
It's a 25% winrate. Someone has to be lucky enough to win, eventually.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

yurius
vampy
ant these cards should be nerfed they are too overstattedand there are aggroblood cards withtout both

whereismyname
whereismyname

Control forest is going to remain absolute meme tier until they give it a board clear.

viagrandad
viagrandad

demon commander laura has potential, especially with rune blade summoner

Snarelure
Snarelure

You could show pretty much anything in RoB for Forestcraft. What ended up seeing play, Wolf (which was meme tier until Roach OTK got nerfed) and Selwyn's Command? Which is just a weaker Novice Trooper since nobody actually ever wants to waste 8PP the get the Grand Faggot Selwyn?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Fujiwara should win

Who the fuck in their right mind is going to stay in vengeance for more than a turn.

I feel like the usual scenario this is going to be played is going to be a 5 mana "Summon 2 5/5s" at which point is a Zinitra that costs an Evo point in order to "Combo".

WebTool
WebTool

surely you don't mean soulsquasher

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Sword has rogue's creed and castle in the memes forest nigger.

FastChef
FastChef

So what's the best variant of Satan Dragoncraft? Pendant spell memes, traditional ramp, or super low curve for 100% accurate Emissaries?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Yurius

Spamalot
Spamalot

Oh noes. One bad matchup for Rowen!

While non-aggro shadow gets
dirt rune
seraph
dshift

Yeah, Kawaii will do something about those matchups, really.

idontknow
idontknow

What are you talking about?
I just said every class gets some bad cards. I'm saying Shadow players complaining that their filler uncommon wasn't broken and if it were a Forest card it would definitely be overpowered, despite the fact that Forest has gotten TONS of shit cards.
Everyone knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every expansion.

Inmate
Inmate

forestnigger using resorting to le sword boogeyman when they get a better albert
It just doesn't work anymore.

likme
likme

And I got this ty cygames

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You know... Humpty Dumpty aside what the heck are the rewards for Take 2? I see each win gives a better chest - do you queue until you lose 3 times or until you play all 5 matches regardless of the score?

TreeEater
TreeEater

... so she's a good card then
the fuck is all this talk about her being "unplayable"

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

If 2 mana, deal 3 damage and take 2 is broken, what does that make Levi?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

user

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I really don't get this meme. Belphegor is the best blood Legendary so far.

b-but 10hp
It activates your class mechanic for you while drawing 2 cards and having overstatted body. You can do T5 Devil+Drain to recover the HP you lost or T5 Bel+Drain will work too. What class can burst you from 10 HP in T4/T5? If you're not literally passing the T2 and T3 using Bel on T4 won't you.

Also, she has no downside if you're in vengeance unlike Soul Dealer.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Does 10 mana satan spell one-shot with JO on board?

Nojokur
Nojokur

yes

cum2soon
cum2soon

t6 albertand lose and the enemy uses a themis

nice game

w8t4u
w8t4u

Everyone knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every expansion.

Thanks user, it feels good to finally hear a non-blood player admit that.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

So based on all the revealed cards so far what is your personal tierlist?

T0
Sword
T1
Forest,Rune,Shadow
T2
Haven,Blood,Dragoneutral

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Requiring a follower AND having a stats of a Goblin. I'd personally hate to topdeck into her without a board.

Lunatick
Lunatick

It was a joke user.
Everyone gets bad cards. Not all cards can be good, and not all cards are even designed to be good. It's the nature of card games. Of course Sword has garbage cards like everyone else.
But fucking hell Sword does get a lot less bad cards than everyone else. Literally the only class without a shitty legendary

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

It's not Albert tier so it's shit according to /svg/.

likme
likme

ugh i'm going to have to play our new 3 damage 2 mana removal that can summon minions instead of undying resentment just so I can destroy my opponent's evolved endgame legend for free

WebTool
WebTool

just test of strength bro

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

She banishes white general instead of fervid the turn before
This girl makes for some surprising bursts.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Forest might be 0, but besides that, yea

Snarelure
Snarelure

mention that a card in shadow is not very good
dragoncucks instantly storm your post with cries of "BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY"
thread gets polluted with dragoncucks fighting lunapedos
This is fucking hilarious.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

e knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every exp

stop this hurts

hairygrape
hairygrape

every control deck that isn't haven hates nep, it's not just dragon

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

T2
Haven
NIce meme'd my humpty dumpty

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

It's pretty disgusting that Lion ended up being a better aggro card than stall one.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

They really need a Rahab, I mean, a rehab.

5mileys
5mileys

That's not true.
Dirt Rune loves Nep. Free wins are nice.

askme
askme

mention that a card in shadow is not very good
except that they were whining about how shadow cards 'need to be balanced' you undercover gothic pedo

DeathDog
DeathDog

Aegis Haven will have 40% winrate and yet /svg/ will whine about it forever.

Mark my words.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

What do you call Alexander then?

eGremlin
eGremlin

No one cares about Aegis anymore.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

It'd be one thing if it were one of their legendaries.
But it was a fucking filler uncommon, like come on. Who cares if an uncommon sucks?
I hate Shadowfags.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

4PP 1/2 is not ballanced

Show me another high PP card with similar or lesser stats that does not have a Lastwords that hides a bigger body.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

regardless of that, just know that whenever someone mentions "shadow" or "khawy", the thread will derail into dragonfags fighting shadowfags, and that'll continue until the next expansion and maybe even longer

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

you guys remember when they revealed wolf+bolt abd everyone was like that guy?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Alexander is not bad, retard, it was just outclassed. It was used by CSword on DE.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Alexander is average at worst right now and could easily be slotted into CSword, and was a meta card in DE. Sometimes I wish I had Alexander instead of Cyclone Blade.
When I say Sword has no shitty legendaries, I mean each of their legendaries saw competitive play in at least tier 2 decks.

Illusionz
Illusionz

switch to japanese voices
VAMPY CHAN HAS AUTISM CHAN DESU NE CHAN :-D
NIGGER NIGGER GOBU(?) Dx
TEEHEE SUGOI SUGOI : 3
G-GAMBARIMASU >W<

God this shit is fucking cancer.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

sister of an established legendary
why can't you accept that she can be a shit card

It's Emmara Tandris all over again.

w8t4u
w8t4u

retards playing Ramp when Face and Satan are clearly superior

really boils my eggs

5mileys
5mileys

Well if played properly with a test of strength the turn earlier and then a second one the turn after summoning aegis you essentially win the game.

Between that sword amulet and this I fully expect every deck to be filled with amulet destruction in the coming expo.

w8t4u
w8t4u

complaining about words you don't know because you don't like how they sound
ok

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

That Storm Dragon winrate
Can someone please give a good Storm Dragon deck list?

SniperGod
SniperGod

Alexander is a solid card that still gets played in some control sword decks.

It can still wreck your entire board easily and is better than Cyclone in some situations.

Illusionz
Illusionz

55% winrate with Satan
How the fuck

girlDog
girlDog

What does the new face list looks like? I assume cards like trinity dragon became obselete with all the removals.

TreeEater
TreeEater

What is the difference between face, storm ramp and storm Dragoncraft?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

weebcucks

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

You know what dragon deck doesn't care about khawy or nep or anything?
OTK discard, but of course dragon players won't play it because they will lose to sword and Dorothy.
They want to play their ramp unchallenged and shit on everyone with double Sahaluci into turn 7 Bahamuts.
At least when people play Nep they are 100% prepared to auto concede to Seraph and Dshift instead of bitching about it, which is already more especially bad match ups than dragon's only exceptionally bad vs shadow.

hairygrape
hairygrape

still gets played in some control sword decks.
I don't disagree with you, but this just isn't true.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

It fucks aggro in the ass with all its wards and removal

It fucks control with its turn 7 Satan

the ONLY decks it loses to are Nepnep and combo decks like Seraph or D-Shift

Emberfire
Emberfire

This is the newest list I saw on GameAI: game-ai.jp/25677/

Firespawn
Firespawn

and shadowbbs wil cry about the banishcaust

Booteefool
Booteefool

Face Dragon plays no ramp cards at all and the most expensive card in the deck is Forte. It's just an aggro deck through and through.
Storm Ramp Dragon is slower, and does include ramp, but it has much more powerful storm cards like Genesis

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

muh 1 attack
don't ignore the fact that it gives 2 points of attack to your board

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

You can project however much you like but nobody has been complaining about banishes in months or so.
Even in DE more complains were against Elana than banish because it shat on the only semi-viable shadow aggro deck at the time.

TreeEater
TreeEater

If a win takes 20mins, is it still free?

JunkTop
JunkTop

The latter does not exist and is just Shadowlog being retarded.
Face Dragon is an aggro-ish (it's not actually aggro) Dragon build that focuses around early game chip damage and constant face damage every turn with Trinity and Eyfa, that then finishes the game by dropping multiple Fortes/Seabrands/enhanced Eyfas every turn from turn 6 (sometimes 5, since Forte becomes 5 if pulled by Emissary) onwards.
Storm Ramp is Ramp that relies on Genesis and Forte to win.

viagrandad
viagrandad

shitposters like you are the ones bringing it up every thread as a strawman

mention the word "shadow"
get swarmed by dragoncucks having a meltdown
answer with literally anything
"ugh shadowbbs just can't forget the 6 gorillion huh"

you just can't win against this

happy_sad
happy_sad

nobody has been complaining about banishes in months or so.
(you)

Soft_member
Soft_member

What's face dragoncraft? Aggro ignoring opposing creatures?

5mileys
5mileys

What?
People were calling baldy flat-out broken because he banished. It was hilarious.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Cry more bab

takes2long
takes2long

banishcaust denial

askme
askme

The only complaints about banish were dragoncucks asking for a banish card.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Daily reminder that pic-related can still hit Sword for 8 damage even with Durandal out while Genesis is a 4/11 most of the time. And don't you pull the bahamut card. They can have 3 Roland too

cum2soon
cum2soon

Elana died to Bahamut
Nothing to kill Dshift yet

Oh wait as a matter of fact, Dshift got more support. That it didn't even need to rape control to no end, again. I would like the option to destroy my opponent's hand anytime now, let's fucking kill the witch.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

People don't play it because it's an inconsistent as hell deck that loses to almost every meta deck on the ladder, not just Sword and Dorothy.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I don't disagree with you, but this just isn't true.

I run into Alexander decks all the time at masters. Control sword is rare in general right now and a FEW of those decks run Alexander.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It was annoying as fuck true, but the bigger problem was Elana still. I could live with a couple lost shadows but I couldn't handle all my damage in the last 5 turns being negated in one turn while they also gain +12/+12 across the board

MPmaster
MPmaster

I explicitly off the top of my head remember a shadowfag complaining that his lastword cards didn't always get full value while instant effect cards do.

5mileys
5mileys

He still is an absolutely ridiculous turn 4 power play, but without him, spirit lion and themis Haven would be absolute dumpster tier.

Methshot
Methshot

Because you retards keep complaining as if we were in DE era when Shadow is in a pretty good state right now and getting pretty good cards.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Everything but Sword I have a meta deck for. I have not pulled a single Albert all expansion.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

what did you expect from a shitposter

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Only shitters complain about Elana desu

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Stop replying to yourself, sad.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

All the original 4 drop evos are ridiculous swingy power plays. That's their whole purpose. Dragon Warrior is also better most of the time than Cudgel
Except demonflame and rose gardener who just suck.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Dragon blames all their problems on Shadow
Shadow still playing the victim from DE Haven days
Haven denying everything and playing the victim because it's shit now
You can't pay for this entertainment.

askme
askme

jcpa.org/text/holocaustabuse.pdf

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

dude, fucking lelouch was saying that baldy was broken and he plays fucking rune or forest or whatever

you have to filter the shit you read here

I don't know

this is why you don't take anyone here seriously, specially not weeks before an expansion

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

If it was Sword it would have Rush too.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Haven dindu nuffin.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

t. banner shitter

When your ONLY viable deck is being raped hard by Elana because it's relatively slow for aggro and your storm is shadow dependent, unlike other decks, you're bound to complain.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Get out of here jew, we're busy memeing.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Haven did nothing wrong desu.

they never had a good WR like sword,rune or forest.

StonedTime
StonedTime

There is playful necromancer too. 5/4 is just an liability most of the time.

shadow playing victim

What? I am hyped to start a zombie apocalypse in ToG. Just that a sister of a legendary deserves better treatment.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Warrior doesn't win 2 match ups for free last I checked.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

The seabrand seems like an odd choice, wouldn't it mess up with emissary tutor?

Spamalot
Spamalot

dragon complains because cards in other classes make their card value laughable and at the same time their reveals have been trash
this is somehow blaming shadow
LoL XD

Techpill
Techpill

MUH
6
GORILLION
BANISHES

Shadowbabs are the whingiest fucks on the planet.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Omg i cant win all matches because the enemy is not allowed to banish cards to win.

poor shadowjews they need more khawy cards.

RumChicken
RumChicken

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""MIDRANGE"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

TechHater
TechHater

Seraph is a honest deck!
Cmon let's go chemo sisters!
Fuhrer Eris!
Muh shitty winrates because of storm and Sun Guardian so that means Seraph is bad too!

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

anyone else here an idort?

WebTool
WebTool

Yeah, just use her

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

there you go, now the thread is even shittier

I hope cygames deletes dragon as soon as possible

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Are you retarded?
Haven was fucking everywhere in DE.
It was the same as if now every time you'd see a rune or a sword player you'd know that you're probably going to lose and there is nothing you can do about it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

So you want to delete dragon just because you are the haven of Rowen?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Why would they delete a class in which over half the decks have over a 55% winrate? Learn to form your own opinion, mindless sheep.

viagrandad
viagrandad

midrange

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Haven players are alright desu ive never seen them complain even after they got some of the worst card this expansion

Now campare to forestbabs and shadowbabs

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What a dork

why face dropped trinity dragon usage? its effect makes him able to survive alot or force the enemy to use removal on it

viagrandad
viagrandad

What if dragon had:

11pp

11/11
Fanfare: gain an extra playpoint orb

MPmaster
MPmaster

haven was only played in B to A rank.

the strongest decks were PtP forest and mid-range sword most played decksin in masters and tourny

Methshot
Methshot

Haven know their place is in the dumpster after they got uppity with elana faggotry

DeathDog
DeathDog

trusting shadowlogs for Dragon
No one knows what you're playing unless it's obvious discard shit and just chalk the loss up to general ramp. Meanwhile everyone who wins knows what they're playing and correctly attributes it leading to inflated win rates.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Tribunal and lion spirit are enough to carry them through the expansion.
They wouldn't trade their auto-win button for anything anyway.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

You just can't satisfy shadowbabs.

Lunatick
Lunatick

haven was only played in B to A rank.
this is bait

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

why face dropped trinity dragon usage?
Because it fucking didn't.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Dragon should get Liza for instant destruction effects.

Illusionz
Illusionz

That's because Haven players get their jollies not from being overpowered, but from making life miserable from their opponents.
That's why we're excited about Aegis + Test of Strength. Not because it will be tier 1, but because locking people out is fun

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

There was also a basic contradiction inherent in Faurisson and Leuchter's argument
that the crude construction of the gas chambers proved that they could not have served
as homidicial units without causing serious harm to the SS personnel operating them.
The delousing chambers were constructed in the same fashion as the homicidal gas
chambers. Irrespective of whether people or clothing would be contained therein, if
one facility posed a threat of leakage the other would as well. Theoretically the
delousing chamber would have been [169] even more dangerous because it needed a
higher concentration of hydrogen cyanide for a longer period of time.

likme
likme

Why is it called midrange by people and japanese anyway?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Instant destruction effects
Please don't use the word instant, for some reason it makes me sad about the state of digital ccgs

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

but because locking people out is fun

hi hs.
your next word is "badly designed"

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Storm got positive winrates though.

askme
askme

So, I get that they would not want to make ranked games 2/3 because mobile game, fast matches and all that. But what if they added a new mode that's basically an alternative ranked that's 2/3, sideboards and all that for people who care? This way mobilefags that play while taking a shit can grind ranked with aggro bats for optimal wins per hour, while people that just want to play and enjoy the game and feel like their skill matters a bit can do so.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Play Eternal.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Same reason why Dshitters exist, only Dshift is even worse, if that's even possible.
But it's true. They were so happy denying games to most player they've unironically started calling themselves chemo.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

So i heard dragonfags wanted a orca leggo. . .

Booteefool
Booteefool

@171052630
Not even getting my (you).

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

dropping baha,satan and toodeck battle is skill now

RumChicken
RumChicken

Locking people out
HS
What are you smoking?
To be fair, you can fight back against Haven's shit. DShift you can't do anything about.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The moment Haven is as frequently played as rune I'll quit the game, life is too short for this shit.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

usually wins on turn 9 and fares better against control matchups because of tsubaki

The old aggro usually attempted to flood the board with low cost followers and buff them with commanders and chip away at the opponent's health, it had to win by turns 5-6 or fizzle out.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

t.unga bunga

happy_sad
happy_sad

We won't miss you

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The moment Haven is as frequently played as rune I'll quit the game
you should've quit right after DE hit then, what are you doing here?

Illusionz
Illusionz

How much of that is because everybody probably mulligans for the slow as hell Seraph and Guardian Sun?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

usually wins on turn 9
I finish 80% of my games on turn 6-7

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Forest still has one Legendary left ;^)

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I just started 3 days ago and I've opened my 5th Albert

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I need a concede and im still working on the full private game missions as well

11909

Thanks in advancd

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Mulliganing for Seraph
If someone is doing mulligans for Seraph, then they are not playing correctly. It is way too risky with all the aggro decks running around, even Luna could be Aggro Shadow. You can't even keep combo pieces against Rune either because it's usually Daria

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Storm is downright obnoxious when it gets a good curve.

5mileys
5mileys

Dragon has two ;^)

w8t4u
w8t4u

Oh, that old deck with the Fencers and other buffs? I remember now. I don't even run Goblin or Vanguard on my """midrange" Sword now that I think about it, I suppose this deck is kinda slower on T1-3 as far as board presence goes then.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Are the GameAI lists decent?

eGremlin
eGremlin

Yeah I don't get the circlejerk here about seraph, I'm far more afraid of facing storm (and playing it now, I feel like it's very strong)

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

game is stratified into groups of players that can usually expect to beat lower level players despite rng variance
but there's no skill because muh mtg mechanics
nice meme

That would actually be really cool. And it would encourage midrange decks with more versatile playstyles instead of gimmicks.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Concede, onegai

54166

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I've been playing for 2 months and have none. You've obviously stolen mine.

Emberburn
Emberburn

No.

Firespawn
Firespawn

10pp
15/15
Fanfare: Discard your hand

7pp
2/2
Storm
Whenever you discard a card, this follower gets +1/+1

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Clear board
banish
heal
repeat
It's cancerous as fuck to sit through that shit, it's just a giant waste of time.
3 unga bunga matches are literally shorter than 1 Haven match.

Emberfire
Emberfire

The issue is that the balance between amulets and countdown reducers is like between sigils and earth rite : even with the best deck building in the world, there will inherently be games where you see too few of one and too much of the other.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I want to make that Dragon Face deck because I've been wanting to start playing Dragon, but I don't own any Fortes and I'm trying to save for when the next expansion is released, as well as wanting to build Seraph. Is there some other enjoyable deck, pref. not aggro, that I can build with what I have at the moment without having to spend too much? I realize alot of my rares are trash, wanting to liquefy them when next expansion comes.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

What's the best netdecking resource then?

takes2long
takes2long

Arigato, shadow-kun

SniperWish
SniperWish

Yeah, but inherently that doesn't feel very different from the bricking issues I see with other decks. My main concern with storm haven is that it feels very weak to other aggro decks that can take advantage of the 1-3 tempo loss you have.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Alberto should be 3/5 -> 5/5

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

not having Forte
But she's the cutest card in the game.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

But that one match against Haven is way more enjoyable and fun.
For the Haven player

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

GameAI

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Keep the room open, I will help you with the achievement.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Other aggro decks
That's because Storm Haven is actually midrange with an aggro playstyle

likme
likme

But why?

SniperWish
SniperWish

Then those games where you get a good balance and your opponent can't do a goddamn thing but lose.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

dragon actually has the least revealed cards yet

Don't lose your hope. At least you have better odds than Blood with only 3 cards remaining.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

aggro playstyle
It doesn't even have an aggro playstyle. It plays nothing like aggro at all.

Evilember
Evilember

You forgot those are silver cards :)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Not him, but I find that highly debatable. You often go face above all else, which is one of the defining characteristics of peak unga.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

dragon has the least revealed cards because they haven't designed them yet

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

this just some retards here like to call everything but seraph aggro

you only go face if there's nothing in board or lethal

Emberburn
Emberburn

It plays nothing like aggro at all

Yeah, Urd on Birdsong and both hits going face isn't aggro at all

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

way too much hp for a fucking unenhanced evolved albert

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

You know they design expansions months in advance right

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Technically, the best way to "netdeck" is just facing enough builds of the same deck at high ranks until you have a precise picture of which cards they all have in common.
Once you got those staple/core cards, you just have to adapt it to your common matchups and your own playstyle via tech choices.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Storm, the best keyword in the game, with a very powerful late game effect
Only 1 stat off baseline
That's why

Spamalot
Spamalot

I prefer more pings and storms in the current game, nothing wrong with trinity.
Use pings, im running x2 lyrial and aotw in the current storm list. It helps with bats and swords.

5mileys
5mileys

This.

It's why Rune is getting so many meme cards even though they already nerfed Piercing Rune.

massdebater
massdebater

Meanwhile, at Blizzard HQ...

youtu.be/-2QXEy4nikI

Playboyize
Playboyize

Strange, we seem to have different experiences. I only trade when I'm absolutely forced to. Most of the time it's a race once your best amulets are popping.

WebTool
WebTool

Redpill me on Rahab. How will a 4PP 2/5 wardhelp when you cannot oracle into it?

iluvmen
iluvmen

clear board
spams 4 shits
UHHH SHADOWBABS?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Characteristic of aggro decks is having a strong early game and running out of steam fast, what is exactly the exact opposite of what happens with Storm Haven. Also, you don't prioritize face always, you trade a lot. You just go for face if you can set up lethal or their board is absurdly insignificant.

You are a retard.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

What are your predictions for when the expansion will release? Next week seems likely.

RumChicken
RumChicken

depends of the enemy.

is better go face against hugh board clear decks but against aggri is just better to remove all weak followers

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Shit, people still play Dragon? We have to design cards ASAP
lets see, shitty Monastic Holy Water, shitty Veteran Troooer, shitty Goblinmount Demon, shitty Alucard

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Turn 7 Satan
Boy I sure love playing against ramp

Nojokur
Nojokur

Last 2 are Daria and Levi.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

turn 7 satan
they still lose

MPmaster
MPmaster

what is a joke

Soft_member
Soft_member

your probably gonna be correct

girlDog
girlDog

t4 saha + luci destroy my deck and chance to win

""""balanced""""

Techpill
Techpill

Fair and balanced deck being fair and balanced, nothing to complain about.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I know, that's part of the reason I would like to play Dragon

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

use two hungering hordes
heh, nothing personal kid.

Techpill
Techpill

70k MP in 15 days

How do they do it? Spending 6 hours a day grinding?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I don't get why people complain about 'not being able to do anything vs dshift' when this kind of board vomit is far more threatening, lands sooner and unless you're playing themiscraft there's also nothing you can do about it.

Techpill
Techpill

aids is fine because terminal cancer is worse

RumChicken
RumChicken

DShift completely breaks an entire archetype and is overall bad for the game's health.
Not that Daria isn't either. Spellboost cost reduction is a god awful mechanic

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

make new account to try different craft
play against D Shift
they cast full cost Fate's Hand and pass turn

Emberburn
Emberburn

No, rune is getting meme cards because they are already good. Dshift doesn't need anything more to beat control decks. Daria is already good and any card like superman would make it broken. Dirt can stall.

The real reason why they did the nerf is mainly for goblin mage. ToG has 2 more storm card for forest which are ridiculously good. In total forest have 4 storm cards and if they didn't nerf goblin mage before ToG, OTK will have a higher winratw than 65% for sure.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

implying dshift isn't the terminal cancer

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Aggro decks and a lot of time spent on ladder

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

dies to themis
dies to albert
xddd

w8t4u
w8t4u

Why can't they just remove Rune from the game? Not a single one of their decks is fun to play against.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Dragon or shadow for t2
or rune

Flameblow
Flameblow

How much is too much? You'd be looking at 6-7k+ vials for your cheapest Control decks, I think.
You can try a ghetto face dragon with Seabrands and Eyfas instead.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

They're both complete shit by virtue of the spellboost mechanic. Dshift completely destroys an entire archetype. It's horrendous game design.

Not that I am an expert on designing card games, but come on, this shit is total cancer.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

6 hours a day
Heh
The people at the top of the ladder are probably playing 18 hours a day (although I suspect the very top ones have account sharing)

SniperGod
SniperGod

Rune.
I've gotten the most 5-0s with Rune

w8t4u
w8t4u

Shadow. 5 khawy and lurching corpse. Balance since it's silver ;^)

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The thing that really fires my neurones up is, that someone thought it's ok to reduce rune's followers to 0PP.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

although I suspect the very top ones have account sharing
It's hard to determine whether it's account sharing or just some neet addicted. But there is definetively a lot more time spent then just 6 hours a day.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

There's a very big gap between the top 100-10 and the like... the top 3, especially the #1 spot. The #1 spot seems like it's simply impossible for a single person to do, even with outrageous win rates.

TechHater
TechHater

But dshift is fun to play and feels more like a game than other decks that just drop minions on curve and go face.

Just like roach forest combo is fun to play despite being """not fun to play against"""

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

what's a good budget haven deck

Methshot
Methshot

You can make combo decks that don't break the game due to having 0 counterplay
See: Seraph

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Your point? Nobody gives a fuck if it playing solitaire is fun.

whereismyname
whereismyname

It's funny you compare it to "dropping minions on curve and going face", because D Shift is specifically built to hard counter the decks that DON'T do that. So you've made it your mission to shit all over the decks in the game that aren't brain-dead.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

what are your golds and legos for haven and neutral

viagrandad
viagrandad

playing removal whack-a-mole
fun

TreeEater
TreeEater

I don't know, honestly. I only started playing 10 or 11 days ago so I haven't been around for an expansion release yet. I only have the one deck - blood aggro - so I doubt too many vials will go into upgrading that, if it isn't made obsolete. I'd like to be able to jump on a new archetype if one is created once the set releases though.

Bidwell
Bidwell

If they rotate standart.

we won't see levi and dshift anymore

Methnerd
Methnerd

heh

JunkTop
JunkTop

The only hope for this game's long term health

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Hey guess what guys?

Cygames is increasing the card slot up to 36 for Tempest.

DeathDog
DeathDog

What's a card slot?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

user wat

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Dirt Rune would kill all the fun in this mode

girlDog
girlDog

Nice! I hope they fix the bug that makes the default decks show up on deck page 3.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

D-shift is probably the main reason you don't see any fun/homebrew/non-netdecks on the ladder. "Oh, you didn't smash my face in by turn 8? lol you lose and there's literally fuck all you can do about it" At least Seraph, while also annoying, is counterable.

Point is that D-shift is undeniably bad for the game as a whole.

iluvmen
iluvmen

feels more like a game
Of solitaire.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

storm haven

elana can be played without leggos but it's meh then, storm haven is perfectly fine without any leggo with valhalla generals instead of moon bunnies

Methshot
Methshot

Go first as Forest
Turn 1 - Any 1 Drop
Turn 2 Liza
Opponent Concedes

Why does this keep happening?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

He probably means deck slots. You can have 18 right now(9) per page so I guess he means we get 18 more.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Damn dragonfags are the slowest people in take two, they can't even figure out lethal and keep on wasting my time.

takes2long
takes2long

I want to sniff Princess Vanguard's butt

Skullbone
Skullbone

Deck slots*

RumChicken
RumChicken

They're hacking your computer and know an elf is coming next.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Storm needs 0 leggos

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

He means deck slot.

Methshot
Methshot

That would be great

Flameblow
Flameblow

that makes alot of sense

WebTool
WebTool

I love not being allowed to play the game when I queue into Haven as shadow

Illusionz
Illusionz

what do you think about pegasus scripture in elana?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I have a feeling that dragoncraft has the youngest mean age of all the crafts

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Wow, no idea.

Inmate
Inmate

Do you have to battle unique players for private lobby mission? Do you have to leave the lobby and collect the reward every time to advance the mission?

idontknow
idontknow

Hi time travller from DE

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Dragonfag here, 31 years old. Are other crafts made up of grandpas?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

If dshift didn't exist, you'd all be complaining about the next hardest control deck.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Yes. No.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

yes, no

massdebater
massdebater

Turn 3 do nothing, dies to Bahamut

eGremlin
eGremlin

DShift is combo. You can even see it in its match-ups; it hard counters control but dies hard to aggro.

whereismyname
whereismyname

No, seraph has counterplay.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Behold, the Dragoncraft player: 31 and doesn't understand arithmetic means

King_Martha
King_Martha

Anything's fine as long as it's not an absolute
People hate D Shift because it's an absolute
Pre-determined matches are the real cancer

askme
askme

Seraph, Nephthys, PTP, Roach and Wolfbolt exist to counter control already. DShift is not necessary, it's just cancer.

Playboyize
Playboyize

NINE HOURS UNTIL THE REVEAL STREAM STARTS

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Turn 7 do nothing :')

cum2soon
cum2soon

When is the next expansion anyway? So tired of logging in, doing dailies and fapping to ss all night.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Source?
Link?
DRAGON LEGOS FINALLY???????????????????

Flameblow
Flameblow

The cheapest deck you can make right now would be Storm Haven, which is a pretty aggressive deck, but less so than your traditional unga me go face aggro deck. You can stick the Garudas, Urd, and Sarissa in there for a passable budget version without spending anything.
Maybe Dirt Satan? Get two Calamitous Curses, and an Ancient Alchemist and that's usable.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Is Quickblader the worst t1 play?

is literally t1 do nothing

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Can we start a dragonmaid movement? We could get a long line of dragon legends that are maids. SCALY BATTLE MAIDS.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I believe you're missing the point.

Playing against a control deck is fine. You can interact with them - actually play the game against them.

Unless you are aggro against d-shift and smash face, you'll lose, and there is literally not one fucking thing you can do about it.

It breeds un-interactive, and frankly very boring gameplay that is unenjoyable for all parties involved.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Fuck off with your fotm moeshit

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

we blood players scorn those underage lizard lovers! lizards don't even have fluffy tails why are they even needed

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Stay away from my maids. You can keep the dragons but don't you dare touch the maids.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

The version of storm haven I'm using only uses one legend. It really is cheap as fuck.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

This post wouldn't be inspired by some seasonal anime with boner-inducing dragons would it?

hairygrape
hairygrape

if we dont have legendary dergons im going to be depressed

Firespawn
Firespawn

Play Storm Haven.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Called it. How about deck rearranging though?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

But Quickblader is the only T1 do something. You have to work on your memes.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Is Quickblader the worst t1 play?

Soft_member
Soft_member

aren't mass draw and mass removal characteristics of control?

I would call d-shaft control-combo

I would call original Roach OTK aggro-combo

WebTool
WebTool

I wasn't even thinking of that show, and I don't watch it. I just thought it would be funny to usurp sword's signature.

StonedTime
StonedTime

But Quickblader is the only T1 do something
ambling
may

cum2soon
cum2soon

live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv291990800
Next SV channel starts in 8h30m, and they're supposed to be revealing ToG stuff.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Fuck off discord cancer

Techpill
Techpill

May
turn 1 kill Quickblader

Ambling
turn 1 deal face damage

Quickblader is the only T1 do something

Methshot
Methshot

________, ________!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

but i don't even visit discord...
i visit reddit sometimes though

WebTool
WebTool

Sure you did. Go back to /a/

RumChicken
RumChicken

IT'S HAPPENING
M E G A L O R C A
E
G
A
L E G O
O
R
C
A

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

D-Shift is more of a combo deck than a control deck though, as it's more focused on getting to their combo as quickly as possible than controlling the board. It just runs control tools as a necessity.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

If you want that play weiss schwarz instead, they jump on every single fotm moeshit

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Sure, I mean, it's only fair dragon gets to usurp something for once right?

Dragons lewd themselves.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

do these also get corrupted and raped into demons like most sword followers?

SniperGod
SniperGod

TSUKOME
S
U
K
O
M
E

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Yeah same shit

Lunatick
Lunatick

kys

RumChicken
RumChicken

*draws lightsaber*

cum2soon
cum2soon

I tried it before, it's not really good overall.
3 Main reasons why I think it's bad are:
It makes it harder for Uriel to fetch Elana.
With 2 amulets on board(elana and pegasus) you only have 3 valuable space left for vomiting followers which is not enough at all
Being 3pp, and even if it was 2pp I don't think it would see any play.

Playboyize
Playboyize

BRAAAAAAA, AAAAAAAAP!

Booteefool
Booteefool

Quack!

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Scary

viagrandad
viagrandad

What deck should I play if I'm addicted to masturbation?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

want to catch that tail!

askme
askme

what card is the ultimate embodiment of

TX
DO NOTHING

???

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

That's why we got that insane 3pp amulet for counter play. Now you can't complain about d-shift anymore.

Emberburn
Emberburn

When is the new pack going to be released? Next month? I'm so hype that my best boy Gawain is finally going to be in Shadowverse, I'll finally have an excuse to play more than like once every week or two.

Is his effect good? It sounds good but I haven't been playing enough to know what's really good and what isn't.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Dshift.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

"Think, Rowen. You have to play something or risk losing tempo."

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Do you like it slow and steady or fast and brutal

Techpill
Techpill

Dshift and unga bats.

Methshot
Methshot

Play solitaire is fun

Roach was pretty fun but at least had counters (outside of wolf+homecoming).

Dshit is literally
Trigger combo
Remove wards on second turn
Win

They only wards that remotely counter Dshit is Frontguard and Khawy, Khawy only because that fucker has one of the most broken last words in the game.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

playing rabbit haven against rune
kill my eidolon with Erasmus bolt
banish my 1/2 ward with Forbidden Ritual

Holy shit kill yourself you rune cancer.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

this is what i got

thanks bros

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Yes, now if only they hadn't given it to the one craft that didn't need it

Illusionz
Illusionz

Missing your 1 drop.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

we didn't get any anti-dshift amulets, user

we got an anti-aggro amulet

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Playing against a control deck is fine. You can interact with them - actually play the game against them.
Ward
Banish
Tribunal
Heal, ward
Tribunal
Themis
Tribunal
Seraph
interaction/10

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Having a 1 drop
Unga detected.

SniperWish
SniperWish

It's good if you can take a turn to drop it.
Shitty otherwise.
Most of the time, I'm getting my shit kicked in and (assuming you dropped elana on t3), you can't spend t4 doing nothing. It also clogs up board, but having this proc on unica can be pretty game winning sometimes.

SniperGod
SniperGod

You realize there are control decks other than haven, right?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

when you castle in the sky just right

w8t4u
w8t4u

amulets
against rune

Great, that'll stop the one craft with useful and versatile amulet clear.

inb4 waah waah it's above 2 mana and I can't spellboost it down

Big fucking deal

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

watching a past broadcast
his opponent was a 100+ MP haven

DID I MISS SOMETHING? LITERALLY HOW?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Insight

askme
askme

I think aggro sword is the right deck for you. You have a strong option of going all out early, but for that edge factor you can try to hit turn 9 for the enhanced Albert load. Not a lot of decks will offer both opportunities

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

1 pp
reduce the cost of all your cards in hand by 1
draw a card

"nothing"

Booteefool
Booteefool

draw a card
nothing

RavySnake
RavySnake

getting smacked by their Quickblader a second time
Literally nothing.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Dshift is tier 1 now
Ayy

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Servant of darkness
5 pp
13/13
Do nothing

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Fervor, Banner.

Inmate
Inmate

That is actually the very definition of interaction. You are playing minions and they are interacting with them.
The thing about DShift is you cannot interact with their combo at all. You can snipe a Seraph, but you can't do anything to stop DShift besides ward up and pray (it never works because they have fiery embrace/wind balst)

Snarelure
Snarelure

link to channel? I cant navigate nip sites.

Evilember
Evilember

Thanks dude

FastChef
FastChef

peepee for peepee peerless stats
do nothing

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

If you're referring to the +200 points, sometimes when you win in master you don't get awarded your points after the game. During your next one they will give you another 100 points to make up for it.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Optimal control sword is going to cost 70k+ vials next expansion

Evilember
Evilember

I fucking hate this card. Literally does nothing but get removed.

SniperGod
SniperGod

retarded namefag

SniperWish
SniperWish

Wait I've seen this happen to me yesterday

farquit
farquit

That does something. It makes you lose the game.

Bidwell
Bidwell

openrec.tv/live/MjD1gmUnP4F

Dude laddering with Aggro Blood. Curious about the list myself.

Cool, I thought it was some secret thing with bonus points for high masters.

Soft_member
Soft_member

It has the effect of giving me a boner when i drop a khawy in front of it

happy_sad
happy_sad

Just because because I'm retarded, that doesn't mean I'm also stupid.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

12PP
So that's how its done!

eGremlin
eGremlin

No you dingus, when i drop a khawy in front of it as an opponent

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

12pp
The Shadow player drops the Khawy against their opponent's servant you dumb fuck

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Wyvern Cavalier newfag

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

We need that card from the HS which increases the cost of the spells by 5(?) for the next turn. It's the only way to cuck DShift.
Someone please post that card, I don't remember it's name.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

37597

Concede pls

Snarelure
Snarelure

one game away from getting into AA0 rank
lose 5 games into a row that counters me

RavySnake
RavySnake

The games ai cheats so fucking bad on chapter 7 of every character it's bullshit

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You ain't seen nothing until the AI pulls Leonidas with Nep.

Methshot
Methshot

loatheb

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Loatheb

JunkTop
JunkTop

Thanks Vampy!

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Having this in your opening hand just feels so nice

Evilember
Evilember

Wow, you know what? I may be retarded but at least I'm not RUDE.

RumChicken
RumChicken

lewd

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

he hasn't play chapter 11 forest

Shadow and sword on chapter 11 was really easy though. My budget aggro deck won easily by turn 6/7 before they pull any bullshit.

Emberburn
Emberburn

What if this was changed to:

Pheonix Egg;
Amulet CD 2
Last Words: Summon a Pheonix Roost

Trade a turn of
do nothing
for a turn of
dump high cost hand

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

That is actually the very definition of interaction. You are playing minions and they are interacting with them.
D-shift also plays minions.
The thing about DShift is you cannot interact with their combo at all.
Try to interact with multimple tribunals or prevent heals, board wipes. That's basically the same lvl of autism, you just can't a do a thing. Sometimes you even have to skip turns because it's pointless to play something and see how it dies immediately. I don't see a difference with d-shift.
You can snipe a Seraph, but you can't do anything to stop DShift besides ward up and pray
Well, good luck with sniping aegis. Anyway i don't think that such a poor deck as d-shift should lose to control, that's the only "easy" opponent. There are lots of hard matchups for different crafts and decks too, so it's fair. You can't just make 50/50 chances for every single deck in the game.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

You're an actual idiot if you don't understand the difference between DShift and Haven, or why DShift is a real problem.
I'll give you a hint though: there's a difference between a bad match-up and an unwinnable one

Emberburn
Emberburn

1 Albert
1 Daria
1 Seraph
enough vials to craft a second lego copy & missing golds for only one class

ffff

whereismyname
whereismyname

That is actually the very definition of interaction. You are playing minions and they are interacting with them.
Yes, THEY are interacting with YOU. The same way any dshift player uses cards that interact with your cards. The aggro player, however, has no opportunity to interact, because there are no counterspells and removal means your cards just eat shit and die, can't be helped. Control players spend 80% of their games deploying a strategy that's completely impossible to interact with, and then bitch and moan when a deck even more extreme comes along and forces them to be the beatdown for once. Entitled babies, the lot of them

takes2long
takes2long

5PP
Countdown(2). Fanfare: Gain an empty play point orb. Last Words: Summon a Phoenix Roost.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

literally the only thing /svg/ predicted correctly about RoB meta was Otohime being kill.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Was DE meta more enjoyable than what we have now?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Are there any good forte h-doujins?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

What we have now isn't perfect but it's fine overall.
DE was fine too. Unless you played Shadow because Haven was rampant.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

What did the gooks mean by this?

likme
likme

of course

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Whats up with the flying horse in the background.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I found it more enjoyable, but people still complained as is human nature.
Fairy Beast heals
PtP
OTOHIME SAMA O MAMORISHIMASU
Dshift
ELANA AND SERAPH REEEEEEEEEEE

Spamalot
Spamalot

So what are some tips to actually building decks? At this point I am kinda just smashing cards together for no rhyme or reason except for the whole mana curve thing.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

its satan dragon, what dont you get?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Looking for non concede win, can concede after if you need
23543

FastChef
FastChef

loses 2 alberts
concedes with full hp

JunkTop
JunkTop

Does storm haven have a bad matchup against Daria? I don't know whether I'm still fucking up my playstyle against them (very likely) or its something meta related.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Just net deck until you have a basic understanding of card synergy.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

This is a definition of a silly goose.

Illusionz
Illusionz

You're also retarded.
There's a difference between a deck that has a 40% winrate towards bad match-ups and 60% towards good ones, which is haven (minus shadow lol), and a deck that has a 20% winrate towards bad match-ups and 80% winrates towards good match-ups, which is DShift. One is par for the course, the other is atrociously horrible balance that upsets the game itself.
You also don't seem to understand what I mean by interaction; DShift is uninteractive because you cannot do anything to fight back against their win condition, no matter what cards you had available to you. And no, killing them before they kill you is not fighting back, because you'd need to play a completely different kind of deck
This isn't about bad match-ups, this is about match-ups that are automatic losses when you queue into them. Both for control against DShift AND for DShift against aggro. Stuff like this turns ladder into a roulette, where things are mostly pre-determined and it's almost entirely down to luck.
The thing about control decks vs creature-based decks is the creature based decks still have a fair chance to win. Once again, around 40%. That's not great, but it's far from hopeless. If it's like YOU said, where the creature v control is just as bad as control v DShift, then creature decks would have winrates in the low 20% against decks like Haven. The thing is, you still don't have great early game as control, so you're completely susceptible to getting curved out against aggro like everyone else, or stormed out by sword or whatever. The win condition of the creature decks is still more than capable of winning against the control decks, whereas the win condition of control decks can never win against DShift. That's the fundamental difference, and that's why DShift is such a problem.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Find a craft you like (and hopefully have a few legendaries for or the vials to get some), study the different viable deck types within the craft, learn what the power cards for that deck are and build around them.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

guise

i am at 24k points

scared of the future meta

how many games per day should i play to get aa0 before the next expansion? i am working and stuff

JunkTop
JunkTop

It's more than that.
You can stop the Seraph combo from going off. Granted, you only have a turn to do so and the options are extremely limited but at least it's possible.
There's literally nothing you can do to stop Dshift from going off other than killing them before it happens.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Thanks to the whining about dshift in this thread, I've switched from playing dshift (which I find fun despite the low winrate) to tempocraft. I hope you've had fun and interactive games if you happened to play me on ladder!

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Dragon Counsel and Angel of the Word in current year

Methnerd
Methnerd

100% yes, Storm is way too slow and doesn't ahve nearly enough removal to deal with Daria. Daria also runs kaleidoscopic glow, which is the only card besides petrification that can actually fuck with storm haven early on.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

mooooom, bring me camera!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Why is Albert so hot

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Why can't this happen more often? He never drew a Levi and had to summon a Daria without spell boost before the concede.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

You're an actual idiot if you don't understand the difference between DShift and Haven
They play different but the key concept of no interaction exist in both decks and i already described it in previous post. You can call me anything you want but that just means you're another whiner who can't even support his own opinion. Let's make another "d-shift should be deleted/nerfed" post instead.
or why DShift is a real problem.
D-Shift isn't a problem, it bricks harder than daria and poor wr tells everything, the deck is underwhelming, control whiners shouldn't be invincible.
I'll give you a hint though: there's a difference between a bad match-up and an unwinnable one
It's not unwinnable, besides d-shifts struggles against aggro just as much you can look at win rates, quite similar to d-shift vs control. But you don't care cause you don't play d-shift, right?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Deck?

Skullbone
Skullbone

There was almost 0 chance of him coming back unless he was packing bahamuts anyway and drew into his 3rd albert.

I play Haven and people concede to me all the time with these kind of spreads too, and for good reason.

StonedTime
StonedTime

were you that tempo rune i recently stomped on their trials with aggro blood?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

i am working and stuff
You could be grinding games right now instead of posting on Veeky Forums

Inmate
Inmate

Why is AA2 hell on earth

idontknow
idontknow

angel of the word activates siegried, picks off annoying little shits, and 2-turn kills with asterophs because no one lets you have a board after you go satan mode.

council is because the deck has no real win condition besides satan so you have to draw him. its good after satan too because ever drawing more than 1 apocalypse card a turn is broken.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Win 1 (one) private match

pls help 87142

SniperGod
SniperGod

nope, i am at work, my lunch break just ended and i am waiting a guy with a bunch of papers etc etc

so, how many games would it take?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Well duh
Albert is the sole win con to that deck, and unless he was bahmut which is unlikely he knew he was screwed.
Hell i probably would have conceded once you droped oliva

Supergrass
Supergrass

Homebrew Daria

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

show me rank fag

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Thanks again man

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

not really unless they draw perfectly, the only deck i really struggle against as storm haven is bunga sword

girlDog
girlDog

angel of the word is one of the best neutral aggro cards, retard

that's why it's run by aggro shadow, "midrange" sword, face dragon and aggro blood

Albert is the sole win con to that deck
shit /svg/ says

hairygrape
hairygrape

ty vampy

SniperGod
SniperGod

Fucking idiots, most of the time there IS NO BOARD TO INTERACT WITH in the first place. Dshit is interacting with my board, but how do I interact with dshits cards?
The answer: i don't. I just watch them shuffle. Until the very end, where they drop their minions, and guess what, they can't be fucking interacted with either because of the brilliant card that is D-shift.

Great fucking game.

SniperWish
SniperWish

ah yes, 3 demonic strikes instead of 2.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Thanks for helping me with mine.

eGremlin
eGremlin

aggro blood at 60k+ MP

I am not too sure about the number of copies past 3PP, so I make assumptions based on how frequent those cards pop up in his stream.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

But you don't play d-shift, right
Wow so we have a d-shift player trying to deny that their deck is incredibly problematic for the overall health of the game and its insanely skewed match-ups and literally uncounterable win condition are perfectly fine, and tries to pretend it's the same as removal.
Who would have thought.
It's not unwinnable, besides d-shifts struggles against aggro just as much you can look at win rates, quite similar to d-shift vs control. But you don't care cause you don't play d-shift, right?
That's part of the problem.
No one is saying Dshift is overpowered. We're saying DShift completely nullifying a single archetype because it has LITERALLY NO FUCKING COUNTERPLAY is really stupid.
And before you say fucking anything, there is actually counterplay to removal. Playing around removal, knowing when to push for damage aggressively or to try and keep the board, knowing when to take risks, etc. are all valid ways of playing against controlling decks when you're aggro/midrange.
For instance, let's take tribunal. Tribunal is random, so playingmultiple weak minions isntead of a big one will nullify its effect. Let's talk Themis. You know Themis is coming around t6, so don't play out your hand before then unless your opponent is having a slow start. Let's talk baldy; you can pre-emptively evolve a minion defensively so baldy can't go 2-for-1. Removal can be played around.
D-Shift fucking can't.
B-but just play more aggressively with your control deck!!!!
Yeah, you can't.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY BANISH AMULET CARD CYGAMES!?

SERAPH NEEDS TO BE NEUTERED

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

thats the number 2 guy right? I know the number 1 guy uses fortress and killer devil but no idea what the rest is.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Strange, I have a much easier time with sword than daria

JunkTop
JunkTop

paraneko like paraolympic?

Soft_member
Soft_member

link?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Just petrifaction bro.

Firespawn
Firespawn

AA0 is 33k so about 90 games in a row. There is no point in climbing when there is no master reward this month.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

aotw

yeah, the new meta just as i thought

Soft_member
Soft_member

They literally printed it in the same set as Seraph for that very purpose you dope.
I don't understand why they decided to give Seraph counterplay but still haven't printed any interaction against DShift

Bidwell
Bidwell

See

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Don't you stay in masters once you get there?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Daria really random, she may brick or pull daria into full board of oglers. Ancient Lion helps, or even 1of Themis.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

where to buy this bunny

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Yeah but daily is s bit harder if you don't have a deck for all class. Just play casually and do the daily mission.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I think he is #1 at the moment at 70k. These nips are nuts when they grind.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Yeah, the unpredictability of rune is what kills me I think. First of all, it's never clear from the beginning whether they're daria, d shift, or some weird hybrid. And even once I know, like you said, it's hard to tell whether I should be going ham or being more conservative.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Isn't it a default art someone just went and printed because they can?

Booteefool
Booteefool

But daily mission is a bit harder*

hairygrape
hairygrape

momposting is kinda dead since haven is meh right now

Evilember
Evilember

The middle of AA2 to the middle of AA3 were the hardest parts of the climb to Master since you're nearly always playing against people lower or around the same score as you. Once you get into the last part of AA3 it's a little more bearable since you run into Master players more often, who will give you a win bonus no matter what.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

There is no point in climbing when there is no master reward this month

for masters maybe

i don't want date sleeves too

but i would like to be at a burnproof rank till the meta settles out

idontknow
idontknow

Glad they can make blood work. At B2 its rough since a lot of people are playing janky haven and shadow lists.

King_Martha
King_Martha

i have stomped through b with aggro blood ~2 weeks ago

Spamalot
Spamalot

I finally found motivation and going to grind masters tonight from the bottom of AA3
wish me luck

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Hm to be fair, I'm just judging that off the blood dailies I did today so the sample size is about 6 games.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I've used this deck and it's pretty good. Even Alucard works out since sometimes you're glad you put him in the deck for that 4 damage.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

54055
Need a concede.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Why is this allow? What's up with japanese and their shitty streaming tactics.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

fill my board with bats
Alexander
I can't believe you done this.

Soft_member
Soft_member

While people are talking about Aggro Blood. You play the new Chaos Ship in there right?

StonedTime
StonedTime

Why are you trying to watch nip streams in the first place.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Thanks

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Stuff like this turns ladder into a roulette, where things are mostly pre-determined and it's almost entirely down to luck.
Luck is a huge part in card games, you can't just remove it. You either accept the rules or play something else, different decks complain in the thread

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I lost an aggro blood matchup where my deck was almost identical to this, but I had 2 goblins and no Alucard and he won because of his Alucard. Seems like a strong card. That other one that's a 4 or 5 drop that gets storm with vengeance might be good too, but I'm not sure.

SniperWish
SniperWish

jap internet is stuck in third world

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Once again, there's a difference between typical card game luck and the beast that is DShift. When things get too extreme, they become unhealthy

girlDog
girlDog

fill your board with bats
angelic barrage

askme
askme

Want to play SV and rank up
But there is Power Rangers stream in Twitch

WHAT DO???

massdebater
massdebater

watching western streamer

Lmao

Booteefool
Booteefool

wasted another day shitposting on /svg/ waiting for leaks

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

you can't remove something entirely therefore you should let it run rampant and turn your game into an optimization problem
brilliant argument faggot

askme
askme

power rangers stream
wat

Bidwell
Bidwell

Guys how do you make Storm Haven viable

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

veekyforums.com/thread/171017335/video-games
pepe

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Daria vs neph is completely unwinnable unless you get a turn 4 daria

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

laulrelia

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

the problem with alucard it's that there will be games when you need a storm follower on 6th turn and get alucard instead

FastChef
FastChef

What should the last 3 cards be? I don't want to take out Mini Soul Devil.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I miss Alexander.
Fuck Cyclone Blade. CHAAAARGE is where it's at

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

having everything on full screen
twitch tv is streaming the entire power rangers franchise. still on mighty morphin.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

mfw they're powering up their JO crystals

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

what if we made a card with on-curve stats that also healed yourself to full health?
and you could have three of them in a deck?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Stuff like this turns ladder into a roulette, where things are mostly pre-determined and it's almost entirely down to luck.
the fact that the card you draw every turn is random turns ladder into a fucking roulette
I play dshift specifically when I want to avoid close matchups where things could go either way depending on how slightly luckier one person or the other is with the way their cards were ordered
if you think people who feel that way shouldn't have their feelings catered to, that's a fine opinion and you're entitled to it, just realize that Cygames doesn't seem to agree with you based on the fact that they haven't ever touched or even mentioned dshift, and probably never will

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

constantly in top 10
third world

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

problem is that alucard isnt as useful against non-aggro match ups

RavySnake
RavySnake

play shitty rune-infested game
or watch power rangers

The choice is clear.

I can't think of a good non-retarded filename, help

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

DShift player still doesn't get the difference
Maybe one day user. Maybe one day.
Also they're never going to fix it because their primary market is casual mobile players and have a soft cap on match length, and DShift is good at enforcing that soft cap

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

running more than 2 seems bad

Bidwell
Bidwell

-imp lancer
+Dark General
+bloodymary or vampire queen

Methshot
Methshot

+1 imp
+1 dstrike
dont know about the last one, maybe another horde

TreeEater
TreeEater

on curve stats
That's like saying Gobu has on curve stats just because her effect is good.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It's aggro not cuckrange

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

ah no wonder might watch as well then until ToG releases

Booteefool
Booteefool

And all of them after the first wouldn't be very useful because the first ate all the fuel

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Maybe you just suck at gameplay and that's why you attribute your losses completely to luck and go play a deck with such broken matchups you can't fuck them up.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

lmao

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

play this
play nature guidance and play it again
Forest is the pet class

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Is Midrange any good? This is just a deck for Blood dailies.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Play it again
It heals for 1
Wow what a power play.
You people are seem to be forgetting something kind of important about this card.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

No, Chaos Ship is for midrange. Even then it probably won't be that good.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Time to PTP Sword

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

play again
heal for 1

Flameblow
Flameblow

Is Midrange any good?
it's barely playable, you will lose to everything including other meme decks

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Is JO dragon the most fun deck in the game? Even when I lose I'm still smiling about the memes.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

- alucard
- 2x seul devil
+ imp lancer
+ demonic strike
+ night horde
+ 3 angel of the word

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

people think Elf Queen will always full heal
people think Competitive Spirit says "minions can't attack face"
these cards are fine but are being misjudged so badly.

Bidwell
Bidwell

No, Dirt PtP is

Evilember
Evilember

probably had a higher masters placing in february than you did, buddy
if you're still a trench shitter and you desperately need to tighten up your play, it's understandable that you would zoom in with laser focus on the parts of the game that are under your control, but it's sheer delusion to pretend that most games aren't hugely determined by who shuffled better

TreeEater
TreeEater

That's what Competitive Spirit means when it has Aegis back-up.
I don't know where people are getting these lofty ideas about Elf Queen though

happy_sad
happy_sad

Goodnight bloodkin

Emberburn
Emberburn

Worst case scenario, Ship summons 1 Goblin. That's a 4/6 for 5 split over 2 bodies that also thins your deck by 1 card. You're delusional if you think it won't be an auto-include in every Blood deck

Best-case scenario it wins you the game on the spot

5mileys
5mileys

Goodnight forever

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Blood sucks, they said.

kicked seraph multiple times
dealt with forest after a fairy beast play

girlDog
girlDog

probably had a higher masters placing in february than you did, buddy
i probably had a higher placing playing a deck that maximizes the impact of matchup luck/the meta being favorable to my preferred deck and minimizes the impact of gameplay
wow that's really impressive.

but it's sheer delusion to pretend that most games aren't hugely determined by who shuffled better
the majority of games don't have to be determined by who played better. swing an occasional game by outplaying them and suddenly you're climbing. dshift doesn't even have that, it's just faggots playing roulette and taking advantage of the fact that people don't enjoy playing face decks

5mileys
5mileys

sweet dreams

RumChicken
RumChicken

Seraph is, and has always been, a good match-up for aggro blood dumb vampy

SniperWish
SniperWish

Unless they turn 3 temple defender and turn 5 lion to fuck your shit up

girlDog
girlDog

People are too busing memeing with PtP and Conjuring Force Snowmen in Masters. It's why you see those shitty decks with 20 GAME WIN STREAK IN MASTERS on gamepress so often.

cum2soon
cum2soon

maybe for you, but to me giving people free wins feels awful

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

a0-a3 is the true pinnacle of skill since everyone tryhards with the TOP meta decks

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

tempocraft
You mean Daria? I started leveling Rune in ranked also.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Conjuring Force Snowmen is the only good version of DShift.
I hope we get snowman support

farquit
farquit

Funny thing is that all his 15 matches have none of that.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I wonder what is his reason for not running fortress. I'd like to see what you guys think.

RumChicken
RumChicken

The infamous "complain on /gamename general/" playstyle has the highest winrate in every game.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Fortress is shit

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Wow so we have blah blah blah
So we have a hater who just twists my words upside down. The card is already in the game for a long time and people build various decks with it. Too late to just BOOM, LET'S DELETE IT. They should've thought about it before implementing d-shift, by they i mean cygames, that just means that they're satisfied with such "unfair" match ups. Personally i don't mind, let people play different things. I can always do some take two runs if i am tired from bad match ups or just switch to another deck, no biggie.
LITERALLY NO FUCKING COUNTERPLAY is really stupid.
Play as an aggro, like control sword. I already know your answer, you can't, because your deck's supposed to be played different, then it's your weakness. Suck it up or make your control deck more viable against d-shift, there are ways.
And before you say fucking anything, there is actually counterplay to removal.
It's not like your counterplay options exist in every game, just like with d-shift. There are a lot of times when you can't do a thing. Ofc winrates are not that bad, it was just an example. You just have to accept this game as a card game with a lot of rng influence, because it was designed that way. Decks like d-shift, daria, seraph, etc. You can counterplay seraph with odins but you have to draw them, or you have to draw dshift to speelboost it for turn7-8 lethal. Honestly this is going nowhere. somehow people expect to play a card game without rng but cygames just keep on developing new rng cards, which is fine by itself, that's the course of shadowverse, just deal with it.

RumChicken
RumChicken

ANTS BOYS

JunkTop
JunkTop

Honestly, a 15 game winstreak with aggro isn't that unbelievable.
Say what you want but at the end of the day aggro is very luck based; meaning you can basically win against anything if you they don't draw enough early game. Aggro's ladder strength is the fast games combined with that luck means you can rack up wins very quickly, but on the flipside you can get absolutely fucked other days. Aggro is almost as coinflippy as Daria

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

He thinks Fortress is tempo loss. It's good when it works but when you have nothing to combo with it's an actual brick unlike your high cost cards that'll actually do something later.

Spamalot
Spamalot

It's a 2PP do nothing

FastChef
FastChef

new:
veekyforums.com/thread/171064179/video-games
veekyforums.com/thread/171064179/video-games
veekyforums.com/thread/171064179/video-games
veekyforums.com/thread/171064179/video-games

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Let me enhance for you.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

post new thread you fucking cuck

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I'm not even going to justify any of your bullshit with a real response anymore because you are completely ignoring the difference between typical card game luck/typical bad match-ups and what DShift does, so
Defending DShift this hard
Top fucking kek.

Illusionz
Illusionz

therefore you should let it run rampant and turn your game into an optimization problem
me losing is a huge problem, fix fast, jap niggerz
Brilliant delusion, crybaby.

MPmaster
MPmaster

a lot of people don't run it

it's fun but way too conditional

if it generated a bat regardless if there is a bat on the field or not it would be actually must have

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

As somebody who has played with Aggro Blood, I put away a copy as getting all 3 is a serious brick.

While you can pull some nice damage combos, they're rare and you're getting very little value for a 2 drop. Many times when you activate it, you also pop the thing so you get a single bat overall.

You're also not guaranteed to get your batpieces with your Fortresses. While your Vanias, Bloodkins, and Night Hordes are useful alone, the Fortress is not.

In a slightly more midrange version I run Bloody Mary, Precious Bloodfangs, and Queen Vampire, but yeah, Fortress with just the Bloodkins and Vania isn't incredibly consistent.

Good aggro is consistent.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I'm not even going to justify any of your bullshit with a real response anymore
Mkay.
Attacking DShift this hard
Git gud or get rekt.

Firespawn
Firespawn

FASTER, SERVANT!

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

he tell Retarded Namefag to fuck off
he don't fuck off

WebTool
WebTool

I've only ever played blood aggro and I've never used fort. Your other bat cards provide enough bat generation and the nuke imo is underwhelming compared to other 2 drop 'tech'. Yusurius works against other aggro decks or 2 2/x cards, while blood wolf fits in pretty much every other situation. Summon bloodkin obviously combos with the othe rbat cards as well as being good against rune and dragon

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

need to beat dailies to get rupies
need to get rupies to beat dailies
???

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Play Bahamut