Haggling general

But why are they all of a sudden not willing to negociate anymore? Wtf is up with that trend?

The internet is destroying everything that was once good and pure. Welcome to the New World.

thanks for the literal pro-tip user

you have to understand, back in the day (im talking pre internet) you only had so many ways of going about buying a car. you could look in the newspaper, check out those used car magazines that are free at grocery stores, or just plain old waste your time going from local dealer to local dealer. they knew you werent going to drive 200 miles away to go to another dealership so your options are limited visibility wise. Because of that constraint they were able to sell a car and make $5k plus gross profit.

Now because of the internet everybody knows what everyones inventory is and what price its at. The model has switched from selling a few cars and making bank to hustling as many as you can and making smaller profits. Normal gross on our used cars are anywhere from $500-$1200. That high end might sound like a lot but the overhead to run a large dealership is insane. Fuck, it's not uncommon to actually lose money on a car as well. I sold one last month that was -$1000, and they still have to pay me for it. New cars are almost always flats unless I sell accessories (we get paid 50% of gross. Markup is usually 10%)

They aren't negotiating because if they did, they would not be in business.

Keep in mind everything I have said has exceptions. Mom and pop places, higher end shit (Porsche in particular), and shady places that havent adopted the model do not apply. Do your research and if the place is legit and the price is right, go get it.

One last thing: Check your state laws on doc fees. A lot of states cap that shit and if they do everyone is going to charge the same. If your state doesn't, watch that shit like a hawk.

>TFW you live in the middle of nowhere and can still haggle some gud deals

sanic is love

Hourly reminder that a business model that is not built on making money is shit.

Soon you'll be no better than the McDonalds down the road with how slim your margins will be.

I hired a car salesman to buy a car for me from a private seller.
I thought he did pretty well, about 9% off asking.

>hiring a car salesman to buy a car
He probably got even more off and pocketed the difference

Several times I've gone into a dealership with a list of options and a price I'm willing to pay. When they bid high, I just start crossing options off my list to get the price down.

Since they make a bucket-load of profit on options, they cave pretty quickly.

Doc fees? How do i check state laws? Ky here..