Fiscal Policy USA

likme
likme

Is globalism really bad? From what I can tell, no one's 401k or pension is going to grow 7% y/y without foreign investment and trade.

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telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9006988/Mass-suicide-protest-at-Apple-manufacturer-Foxconn-factory.html
bls.gov/careeroutlook/2014/article/education-level-and-jobs.htm
census.gov/topics/income-poverty/income.html
stratfor.com/weekly/rise-manufacturing-marks-fall-globalization
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism_(Hobson)

Methshot
Methshot

Is globalism really bad
yes
foreign investment and trade
not the same as globalism you intellectual prole

TreeEater
TreeEater

Fuck pensions, give us back our jobs

inb4 OP is a Faggot and disapears

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Veeky Forums doesn't know whether it is protectionist, neo-liberal, or what.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Could you please describe to me how anyone can expect their investment or fund to grow 7%, annually and indefinitely, without lowering labor costs eventually?

How much do you expect to make at your job? Do you expect to make enough to save for retirement? If so, are you comfortable having 0% annual growth on your savings?

FastChef
FastChef

Id rather have a job and no growth than no job and growth on money I wouldnt be making

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

you dont need 7% growth
you dont need growth at all desu

Nojokur
Nojokur

So if we abandon globalism, Americans will need to save money instead of buying on credit.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Implying this is a bad thing

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Believe me, I'm not implying that.

What I'm implying is:
How the fuck do we convince people to stop using fucking credit.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Globalism is a poorly understood meme here, why would you ever ask Veeky Forums

It's like asking /pol/ why they won't become jews

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I'll provide a definition:

Economic globalization is the increasing economic integration and interdependence of national, regional, and local economies across the world through an intensification of cross-border movement of goods, services, technologies and capital.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Kek, fair enough

Spamalot
Spamalot

Americans will need to save money instead of buying on credit.
when people save money and stop taking loans the modern economy takes a dive.
recession is the most feared boogey for the keynesians. they will never go for it.

farquit
farquit

So far I'm loving it.
Without globalism I wouldn't able to profitably dropship or private label products.
It literally puts the ability for everyone on Veeky Forums to actually enjoy the freedom of NEETdom.

Too bad all my work is going to go down the drain for the next four to eight years.
I honestly don't care about anything in this election cycle other than the new tariffs that will be placed on importing goods.

viagrandad
viagrandad

most people think globalism means "shitskins in my backyard"
what it really means is common legal and regulatory framework for production and commerce.
there are upsides and downsides i guess. but usually free trade agreements are about everything but free trade. it's like calling an abattoir animal shelter because it has a roof.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Globalism is a good thing; you're better off not abandoning it.

However if you do (and indeed even if you don't) you don't technically need foreign investment. Countries with fiat currencies can always source all the investment they need domestically.

whereismyname
whereismyname

The only people opposed to globalism are those who know (consciously or subconsciously) that they're in the bottom percentile of intelligence, and talent. They believe that their lack of success and opportunities are due to "others" because they can't accept the reality that they are simply among the least valuable members of society.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Or they know chinks will do jobs for a wage that is literally unlivable here.

Are you going to work for pennies?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

the only ones who benefit from globalism are huge corporations

TreeEater
TreeEater

Then get better jobs. There are millions of jobs the "chinks" can't do. Manufacturing isn't the only job in the world.

You're just a dumb, racist, redneck loser. Opposing globalism isn't an intellectual choice for you; it's an instinctive response of a cornered dumb animal. You need to be put out of your misery, desu.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Implying the post-Reaganite financial industry isn't a bubble that gets larger and larger every year
Sooner rather than later is better

Firespawn
Firespawn

huge corporations
Which are owned by individual humans, and which employ individual humans, and which buy products and parts made by individual humans, and which make products and provide services used by individual humans.

The anti-corporate schtick is the resort of low intelligence cucks. Corporations are fictional entities, and exist only as legal creatures. They're no more real (let alone villains) than the anime women you fap to every night.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

You're just a dumb, racist, redneck loser. Opposing globalism isn't an intellectual choice for you; it's an instinctive response of a cornered dumb animal. You need to be put out of your misery, desu.
this much butthurt

Do you support basically slave labor? You think their worth that much less than you? And yet Im somehow the racist.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Do you support basically slave labor?
No, I believe that people should be paid commensurate with their skills and talents. Don't you?

I'm sorry that God didn't bless you with either smarts or know-how, but that doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer for your shortcomings. Yeah, we'll chip in so you don't literally starve to death. But you faggots want to live like kings even though you add NOTHING to the society that you leech from.

I'm not racist. I'm a fucking REALIST. If you're worthless white trash, you deserve to live like worthless white trash. Accept it, or better yourself. Simple choice, retard.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Not thinking people deserve at least minimum wage for a living for working their ass off, versus people getting benefits for even outright refusing to work

Might wanna get that silver spoon out from your ass, buddy.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Not thinking people deserve at least minimum wage for a living for working their ass off
Whoah, whoah, whoah there redneck. I never said anything about the "minimum wage" -- a concept that you Trumptards oppose with all your might. It's the progressive globalists who support increases in the minimum wage.

Get your platform right, alt-right cuck. Your power level is on display and its SAD.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Thinking if you support one stance a party has you automatically support every idea of that party
Well now youre not even trying

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

So you're a protectionist globalist who wants to suppress minorities or foreigners but also increase the minimum wage.

Kek.

You're a troll and a faggot. GTFO my Veeky Forums..

Lunatick
Lunatick

strawmanning positions and insults

Why do you think you'll get serious replies with this? Or are you just really this butthurt because your side lost?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

if i strawman every position my opponent holds and then refute the strawmen that means I'm right!!!!!

lol someone needs to go back and it ain't him

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

elects a globalist businessman with multi-national financial interests and who appoints Wall Street executives to run the economy
thinks his side "won"

You epitomize the dumb white Americans who are gonna get fucked for the next 4 years. Lube up, cuck.

white-knighting a retard
Trumptards, ladies and gentlemen.

Enjoy poverty, cuck.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Oh, you're just pretending to be retarded.

4/10

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

No, I think as many people as possible who are willing to work hard for quality work deserve a livable wage.

Globalism in its current form means taking jobs that meet that standard here to somewhere where theyll work someone for slave wages until they literally kill themselves.
Opposing this is discrimination apparently though

Playboyize
Playboyize

When confronted by overwhelming facts and logic, the Trumptard will always attempt to end or belittle the discussion.

I think as many people as possible who are willing to work hard for quality work deserve a livable wage.
Explain to me how this is in the slightest imcompatible with globalism. Because I don't know a single progressive globalist who doesn't hold this as his or her highest ideal.

In other words, you really have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Maybe you've been reading too much fake news.

Globalism in its current form means taking jobs
How do you "take" a job? You don't own your job. You didn't buy it or inherit it. We don't live in a feudal or serf economy, dimwit.

Economies are fluid. If you worked at Blockbuster did Netflix "steal" your job? No, it went away because the times changed. Same with your coal and manufacturing jobs. No one stole them, faggot -- times changed.

So two choices:

1. Roll back time, which is literally impossible.

or

2. Get a better job.

The ONLY problem is that #2 requires you to get off your fat ass and better yourself. And because you're so fucking stupid and so fucking lazy, you'd rather elect the guy who somehow promised you #1 even though it'll never happen.

You deserve the life you're living. If your life sucks, then you suck. Don't like it? Improve yourself. Complaining and acting like a faggot won't get you a job, and neither will electing a clown who promises you things everyone knows are beyond the laws of physics.

P.S. You're not racist because you're stupid and worthless to society. You're racist because you use terms like "chinks." Get it through your head, you stupid fucking retard.

Snarelure
Snarelure

LOL at the corporatist apologist. They don't necessarily buy products and parts, they could literally just buy up parking spots off of govt. land, and start raising the prices. Corporations can also afford to partake in illegal activities that ordinary individuals can't, with practically no repercussions, depending on the industry, and the buying power. Not all are bad, but saying they're just contributing to the economy, isn't accurate. Saying they're fictional because it's a legal designation, is like saying oil underground is worthless due to it's legal designation as real property.

People should be paid commensurate with their skills and talents.
What irritates people, is that corporations will seek the lowest cost of production outside of the U.S., but will reap the benefits of having their corporation in the U.S., and having their company's shares publicly traded on U.S. exchanges. A lot of people believe that a company who is incorporated in the U.S., should use U.S. labor, instead of exploiting labor from developing countries. To say these people add nothing to society isn't accurate, they may or may not.

Also - to suggest people should better themselves isn't realistic. I'm referring to the rust belt region specifically. Many towns made concessions to corporations in order to have labor placed in their city. The resulting jobs were often blue-collar, non-trade jobs. To expect massive amounts of these individuals to just "better themselves" isn't a realistic expectation. In their job that they were making a livable wage from, you'd expect most of the employees to have earned a degree, and move onto higher earning jobs, however, they didn't. This is the main reason why people are worried about job automation.

WebTool
WebTool

Globalism is just a meme. There are no unironic globalists that I know of. I only ever see anti-globalists claiming it is somehow magically wrong to buy from people far away instead of people close by.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

2/10 downgraded for trying way too hard

[spoiler]I voted for Clinton[/spoiler]

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

They don't necessarily buy products and parts
Um, that's literally what corporations do: buy things and pay for things that they use to make other things or provide other services. It's called "business." If you weren't a mongoloid, I wouldn't have to explain this.

these people add nothing to society
When I say you people add nothing to society I mean it literally. You are stupid and you are talentless. You bring nothing of value to the economy or to society. Don't overthink this: I'm not being figurative or make a point. You are literally human garbage, and you don't deserve financial success.

to suggest people should better themselves isn't realistic
You mean other than the millions of successful Americans who did exactly this? You can't say it's not realistic when it happens every fucking day.

What you're really saying is that its not realistic for YOU. Because you lack the intelligence and wisdom to better yourself. And therefore we don't care about you, as explained above.

When confronted by overwhelming facts and logic, the Trumptard will always attempt to end or belittle the discussion.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

releatedly uses redneck, trumptard, white trash = not racist
uses chink once in a forum where its common slang and proceeds to stand for them afterwards = TOTALLY FUCKING RACIST

liberal logic
(I always find using this term funny because any test puts me right in the middle of the left)

how is this incompatible with globalism
LITERALLY QUOTES WHERE I ALREADY GAVE AN ANSWER
0/10 bait quality here

How do you take a job somewhere else

Labor needs done for a company in Country A
If its done in Country A, the company has to pay a (debateably) livable wage
If its done Country B, the company can pay an unlivable slave wage
Thanks to current trade laws, theres no penalty to exploit Country B
This is "moving" the job because its the SAME labor moved to a different location
Examples you gave was labor being replaced by different labor (Netflix), or straight up disapearing (coal)

Why are you so adamant about defending suppressive slave wages, user?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

0/10 downgraded for continuing to try

mfw I'm the only one feeding you by this point
mfw my face is hands

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

When edgy libertarians they're anti-globalist, you can easily dismiss everything they say.

Free trade spreads freedom.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

libertarians
opposed to free trade

I'm convinced nobody on this board knows what libertarianism even is outside of the Penn & Teller's Bullshit! episodes they watched on Jewtube as a kid.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

*repeatedly

King_Martha
King_Martha

redneck, trumptard, white trash = not racist
Again, I'm being literal. You folks are white trash, human garbage. It's not a function of your race -- its a function of your stupidity, your ignorance, your delusions, and your self-imposed bubble of denial.

Let's be crystal clear here, cuck: I'm judging you on your lack of intelligence, wisdom, talent and reasoning skill -- not your race. Get it?

What you're doing is trying to dismiss my criticism of your character by demonizing me and labelling my posts as "racist." All without making a single logical or reasoned argument. This confirms my evaluation of you, by the way, and highlights the fatal flaw that's going to doom you ignorant cucks.

thinks he's on reddit and can downvote my posts
Trumptards, ladies and gentlemen.

viagrandad
viagrandad

tips fedora

cum2soon
cum2soon

When confronted by overwhelming facts and logic, the Trumptard will always attempt to end or belittle the discussion.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

-2/10

Methnerd
Methnerd

Again, I'm being literal. You folks are white trash, human garbage. It's not a function of your race -- its a function of your stupidity, your ignorance, your delusions, and your self-imposed bubble of denial.
white trash
not racist

Folks, can a bait score go into the negative? Because I think we got one

All without making a single logical or reasoned argument.
Completely ignores the rest of my post

When confronted by overwhelming facts and logic, the Retard will always attempt to end or belittle the discussion

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

slave wages

Most people in China literally lived in huts and shantytowns 25 years ago, and could barely afford a family bicycle. Now there's a growing middle class, with more and more people living in apartments with electricity. Unless you're disabled, dumber than a box of rocks, and addicted to drugs, no one is chronically in poverty in the US. I'm using the UN definition of poverty, not the cushy US one.

Sure sounds like a shitty situation user. The Chinese surely are suffering.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9006988/Mass-suicide-protest-at-Apple-manufacturer-Foxconn-factory.html

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Because dying in the countryside from famine is much better.

You're falling for shire fallacy, user. Things were A LOT worse, user. Things are getting a lot better in China.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Found the rejects from T_D.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

To improve you need to change and with every change there will be both advantages and disadvantages, if you can't handle the disadvantages nothing would improve. I assure you the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

But user, why would they be dieing of famine?

Dont you know that when theres no jobs you can just better yourself to get one.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

when theres no jobs
Strawman much?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Um, that's literally what corporations do:buy things and pay for things that they use to make other things or provide other services

Except that's not what you originally wrote in post where you wrote:
Which are owned by individual humans, and which employ individual humans, and which buy products and parts made by individual humans

Nice try at moving the goalpost and thinking I wouldn't notice. Pray tell, when is the last time Berkshire Hathaway has bought a product or part? No, I'm not talking about outstanding shares of another company.

When I said you people, I mean it literally

user, how can you value someone who you don't know what they do for employment?

You mean other than the millions of succesful Americans who did exactly this?
The median household income in America is just under 52K, and the majority of Americans aren't educated past high school, to expect the majority of the population to become educated or gainfully employed because others did is ludicrous.
bls.gov/careeroutlook/2014/article/education-level-and-jobs.htm
census.gov/topics/income-poverty/income.html

7/10 I bit and was hooked, it was pretty high quality bait, or maybe user is pretending to be retarded?

happy_sad
happy_sad

When confronted by overwhelming facts and logic, the Retard will always attempt to end or belittle the discussion

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

They're dying of famine because there's no capital coming in because you're denying them the opportunity to use the two assets they do have: the ability to work cheaply, and access to a local market with a favorable purchasing power conditions.

You're also denying your own citizens access to cheaper goods, reducing their real income.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Berkshire Hathaway
Berkshire Hathaway is a publicly traded investment corporation. They do M&A. They create value by integration, optimization, and management centralization.

Don't offer stupid examples to smart people. We can knock them down without effort.

the majority of Americans aren't educated past high school
And yet they expect to live the same life that I lead, despite the fact that I have a Ivy League degree and a post-grad doctorate. Fuck that. You stupid people deserve stupid people lives. I don't feel sorry for your hardships at all.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Actually, I wasn't attempting to end or belittle the discussion. I was pointing out the latest in your long string of logical fallacies.

Retard.

takes2long
takes2long

But user, why cant they just better themselves to find work?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Because they're near death from starvation, and your own government is threatening their own citizens with violence not to offer them work.

Statist.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Asking about when theres no jobs when you bring up there not being jobs is a strawman and a logical fallacy
Uh huh, sure.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Someone doesn't know what a "strawman argument" means. It's a shame there no such thing as an interest search engine or an online encyclopedia of facts. You might be able to better yourself if only Google and Wikipedia existed.

every time Trumptards try to debate....every time

Evilember
Evilember

But them not being able to better themselves despite situations entirely out of control their control means they are, what was it? Oh yeah:

You are stupid and you are talentless. You bring nothing of value to the economy or to society. Don't overthink this: I'm not being figurative or make a point. You are literally human garbage, and you don't deserve financial success.

Im off work and getting off now. But enjoy being BTFO by your own argument

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

talentless

Their talent is being cheap. I've said this multiple times. You fail to grasp this. Your government points guns at their own citizen's heads and says "Don't take advantage of their talents, Cletus needs his job, and you're going to give your money to him because he's American and THEY are not."

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Berkshire Hathaway is a publicy traded investment corporation

By definition, they aren't producing/buying parts or products. I was refuting your original point about what corporations do, this has nothing to do with creating value or optimization.

And yet they expect to live the same life that I lead

(Citation?) Also, I'm glad that you know exactly what the expectations are of over one hundred million Americans are.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

s globalism really bad? From what I can tell, no one's 401k or pension is going to grow 7% y/y without foreign investment and trade.

The U.S. has seen very little private investment since the start of "free trade". This has been a big problem for many years.

Also, free trade is ultimately a meme. Every country engages in some form of protectionism. They either subsidize industries, or they outright ban foreign companies through regulation. Essentially everyone is breaking the rules.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

they aren't producing/buying parts or products
Yes they are. They're buying other companies and producing more efficient versions of them.

Retard.

The U.S. has seen very little private investment since the start of "free trade".
Why do I even come here? This board and this thread in particular is FILLED with idiots.

cum2soon
cum2soon

They're buying other companies and producing more efficient versions of them

Let me explain this to you, since your Ivy league education has apparently failed you. A product is defined as: "an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale."

This is semantics at this point, where you are attempting to argue that because corporations add "value" they aren't worthless, which was never my original point. You also wrote that Berkshire Hathaway is in the M&A business, they're a holding company. They're not buying other companies and producing more efficient versions of them, they're just buying shares of public companies.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Trump will turn America in to China 2.0 but with out anyone willing to buy the exuberant prices.

So get rid of your drop ship dreams and star to get ready to work 10 to 12 hours on a sweet shop

iluvmen
iluvmen

can't comprehend abstract concepts
thinks he wins arguments with a dictionary
You're a moron, and I blame your parents. You apparently not only got bad genes, but a substandard education as well. Sad.

Inmate
Inmate

Why do I even come here?

To troll, then you got hooked on the conversation and ended up being the one getting trolled.

-8/10 trolling meant something in the old days

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Naw, I don't actually think there are trolls in this thread. I think there's just a bunch of really stupid motherfuckers. And they don't like being told how stupid they are, even though its painfully obvious to anyone with a brain.

Only stupid people get found out as stupid people and then pretend that they were only trolling. You're really just embarrassing yourself at this point, not that you care.

Techpill
Techpill

can't even follow IDs properly

I feel sorry for the woman you end up bedding and putting a baby into.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Oh, hey /b/iz.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

he thinks his brand of stupid is any different than the other brands of stupidity in the thread

Kid, you're dumb. Period. You can't argue or post yourself out of that hole.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

This is how they installed a reality show clown in the highest office in America why would they change tactics now

Flameblow
Flameblow

Everyone who makes fun of me online is the same person

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Yup, its truly frightening how many stupid people there are in this country. Keep the faith, user. We'll win out in the end.

Wow, you can't even grasp elementary statements of logic. You really are a classic fool.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Reaction images trigger me

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

So you're conceding, right? Feel free to keep posting retarded images, but at least include some form of substance if you expect anyone to take you seriously.

FastChef
FastChef

Can't actually form a coherent debate
Moves goalposts and resorts to ad hominem attacks.
Drop second argument because said argument had no merit

It's not an abstract concept when you're making assertions without evidence, and get exposed for doing such. I assume that you think since corporations add "value" that they should be able to get away with murder, but my point was that corporations can be scummy, and that there are a lot of people that rely on entry level jobs for employment.

Curious, what is your degree in?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

it's another "the poors complain about globalization" thread

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Implies anyone takes him seriously ITT

Supergrass
Supergrass

No body is going to win, trump is about to trigger a run away recession and probably another market crash while trump fags post pol memes about Pepe and liberals sweet tears

Booteefool
Booteefool

As I thought.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Keep going, your posts are comedy gold

girlDog
girlDog

t. triggered

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Dont you know that when theres no jobs you can just better yourself to get one.

BTFO

Snarelure
Snarelure

ITT:
Comedy gold
Low quality bait
Retard fights

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Automation will probably end "globalization" in the classical sense for better or worse... China will probably be the last nation that caught the wave of modernizing themselves off exploiting their cheap labour supply. If that's true it means there's no real way of developing third world countries out of poverty and they will have to accept they will always remain poor while the first world develops even faster... that'll cause a real geopolitical mess because the majority of the world won't accept they have no chance of ever catching up.

stratfor.com/weekly/rise-manufacturing-marks-fall-globalization

You're not just competing with third world labour for employment but also machines and AI. The amount of "jobs" necessary for the same/more amount of output will keep decreasing because that's how development works.

So if we abandon globalism, Americans will need to save money instead of buying on credit.
You mean hoard money/gold under their beds or find profitable investments at home? The maldistribution of income, favouring the wealthy, is what led to imperialism in the first place, the wealthy had such a high rate of savings in the 19th century they could only find profitable investment opportunities overseas without triggering cut throat competition that would ruin their investments.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism_(Hobson)

SniperWish
SniperWish

Pensions are for old fucks, and corrupt government workers.

Calpers actually had a loss of 2% last year, because they put everything in hedge funds.

State of Nevada has one guy to manage their funds, and he does a straight 70% VOO, 30% Bonds through vanguard.

He works about 4 hours a week, and in turn is the world's best pension fund manager, because he uses vanguard...

We need H1B visas, but they should be getting paid over 100k a year, not the cheap ass minimum wage H1Bs we see a lot in the valley.

Fuck illegal aliens, yes they reduce the cost of your vegetables, but you pay about 10 times more than the reduction with increased police, prisons, and welfare for their families.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Keep up the globalism and there won't be 401Ks or pensions period.

massdebater
massdebater

true Veeky Forums is ancap
I wanna buy a harem

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Ever since TRUMP starter trolling the election this pol cucks contaminate this board cus now every 2 bit dumb fuck red neck wants to be a racist Veeky Forumsness man.

I don't even know if it is a bad thing since this board was pretty empty anyways the only problem I see is that they don't contribute for shit on the overall of this board other than their lame memes and (((epic))) trolling.

You fucks are nothing but leaches, seriously go back to pol and r9k and talk how much you're afraid of get a girlfriend cus she might be a coal burner

Spamalot
Spamalot

lel

girlDog
girlDog

There's a difference between globalism and globalization.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

learn a useful skill you nigger. Standing at an assembly line an repeatedly pressing a button shouldn't deserve anything.

Methshot
Methshot

Globalism winners:
global elite (0.1)
emerging middle class
Globalism losers:
established middle class
poorest 1/3 of humanity

the future is gonna be a mix of BNW and 1984 with the MNCs controlling our governments and selling us iPhones like good goys

Playboyize
Playboyize

People in poor countries are likely to be the biggest winners from globalism (due to the extra opportunities it brings), with working class people in rich countries being the only group that aren't net beneficiaries.

However the real problem isn't globalization; it's neoliberalism. Governments could compensate the losers by reducing their burden of taxation. Instead most governments are trying to shift more of the burden of taxation onto them.

StonedTime
StonedTime

"My job doesn't pay well and I'm paranoid about globalism because I'm not competent enough to get a better job."
Then get better job, faggot.
"But-"
Glad I could help

There's a reason the people here post about Veeky Forumsness instead of practising it. And those few who are also businessmen are good examples of why everything is so fucked up right now.

Methnerd
Methnerd

"My job doesn't pay well and I'm paranoid about globalism because I'm not competent enough to get a better job."
because I'm not competent enough to get a better job
not competent enough to get a better job
not competent
not competent
not competent
See, I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for faggots like you. The world isn't fucked up -- you just suck. Go make yourself suck less. Get some training, go to school, or move somewhere less shitty.

Since I'm a nice progressive liberal elite, I'm even willing to help pay for your school, or subsidize your training. But, too bad ... you elected the Orange Cheeto and his Republican hate-mongers who won't let me. Sucks to be you.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

globalism is good unless you're a toothless hick with no skills to compete in the global market despite living in the most advanced nation in the world

Supergrass
Supergrass

Globalism may have its downsides but it's still 1000 times better than any of the alternatives.
Stupid people will fail in any environment. Smart people will succeed in most environments. Comparatively.
In an absolute view it's better to have globalism.

RavySnake
RavySnake

TTP OFFICIALLY BTFO

Also its funny how many people arguing about jobs in this thread are probably NEETS

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

NO MORE TPP
Even though I'm a fucking leaf, I'm glad.
It was bad on so many levels, giving more of our rights and selling it to the corps and the elites.

This just made my day, user. Thanks.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Such a scumbag. You can have a great education and big bank account but you'll still be a scumbag.

JunkTop
JunkTop

You know, why do all that when I can literally just stab you and take your shit?

Or better yet, why not use the power of the majority to petition the government to stab you and take your shit instead? I don't even have to get the blood on my own hands.

It's very fitting that the retard looking down on everyone else is in fact the cuck. At the end of the day all those taxes you pay feed the people you look down on. In the end the people you look down on get the last laugh.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Unless you pick very specific 401k funds, you already have a certain amount of foreign investments baked into retirement funds, at least the majority of them.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

for globalism with free movement of people to work, we need raise the IQ with a eugenics policy or some sort. governments and corporations should set up genius sperm banks and encourage people to use them. They should discourage stupid people from reproducing by offering monetary incentives and free birth control and abortion.

Soft_member
Soft_member

t. internet tough guy

How's that working out for ya?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Stupid people will fail in any environment.
Stupid people will fail in any environment.

Like boomers did in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s? Oh wait, no. Even idiots could support a family with no college education and a basic-bitch gas station job.

You now have to be a top performer to get any sort of traction. For example, I was very driven and knew what I wanted to do at a young age - now, without any college education, I'm earning just shy of 200k/year as an S-Corp (to avoid wagecuck w2 taxation).

Even with the above earnings, i'm still 'behind' most people my age, because I was raised by a waitress single mom who never owned property, whereas most people's boomer parents had good careers and property. I am having to triple my efforts to 'catch up' to generational wealth.

Methshot
Methshot

Yeah I get it Chaim we should all work for 14hrs a day for $1 because muh chinese

SniperWish
SniperWish

If you were smarter, more talented, or more efficient than the Chinese guy, I'd happily pay you instead. But you're none of these things.

Bottom line: You want to be paid more than you're worth. That's called welfare. And I only support welfare as a safety net, not as a permanent lifestyle.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm an engineer irl but w/e keep telling me about my life

It doesn't take a lot of brain cells to know that the race to the botttom is disastrous for developed countries. I can already tell you have absolutely no national instinct at all though and think stock returns are the only thing that matters in life. That and bragging on Veeky Forums

Enjoy importing more spics and Muslims.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Also just saw this post lmao. Didn't actually think that redditors posted here. This is why you guys lost.

takes2long
takes2long

I'm an engineer irl
If that were true, then you'd know that I'm right. Someone with a professional education, accreditation, and in a regulated industry, has nothing to fear from globalism. If you're struggling then you simply lack talent. Period.

the race to the botttom is disastrous for developed countries
Meh. Cheaper goods and commodities help developed countries more than developing countries. All you have to do is transition into a service and value-added economy.

The problem is you fuckers want coal miner, Blockbuster cashiers, and chimney sweeps to earn $24/hour and a pension. You're just fucking deluded, and I'm not going to feel bad about insulting you. You deserve it, dummy.

you guys lost
Lost? I'm 10% richer since the election, and my gains in that time are more than you earn in 10 years. The only people who "lost" are the dummies like you who voted against their own economic interests.

What you did, it's called being a "cuckold." And, you cucked yourself, which is both sad and hilarious.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Theres no way someone smarter than me can have a different stance. Nope. No way.

A diminishing working class is better because their goods will be slightly cheaper that they can pay for with the jobs they dont have. Nevermind that housing, education, and healthcare will continue to rise

Just because my party lost the election and I keep whining about it, doesnt mean I really lost ;^)

Random insults intesifies

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Theres no way someone smarter than me can have a different stance.
I don't care if someone has a different stance. I come to these threads to engage in debate, because I'm a human being and make mistakes from time to time. Not often, to be honest, but I actually have an active and open mind.

But that doesn't mean I'm going to accept contrary viewpoints that are unsupported by facts, logic or evidence just because it hurts your fucking feelings. Your opinion isn't discarded because I have a closed mind -- it's discarded because its indefensible and unsupported. And I mock you because you act like a fucking snowflake.

A diminishing working class
Don't assume the premise. The working class only diminishes IF it fails to adapt to changing times. I've been making that SAME FUCKING POINT for two days. Read the fucking thread, moron.

Just because my party lost the election
You really don't get it, do you? What a cuck.

The question isn't which party won or lost -- it's what happened to YOU and to ME. Politics isn't sports. The game has meaning after the whistle blows.

My net worth is up hundreds of thousands of dollars, thanks to expectations that Republicans will allow the corporations that I invest in to run roughshod over the asses of the little people (like you). Trump is undoubtedly a moron, but I'm a white, male, highly educated liberal elite. I'm making fucking BANK off this administration so far.

What has Trump done for you, other that fill your meme folder? Is your financial situation better in the last 8 weeks, because I'm making money hand over fist?

So think carefully, cuck: who's the winner and who's the loser?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

My net worth is up hundreds of thousands of dollars

You just discredited everything your ID has said by blatantly roleplaying

At least make it believable

Spamalot
Spamalot

Son, I made over $75K today alone. If you weren't a poorfag, you'd know what the markets have done since November.

Hell, I don't even claim credit for it. Its literally free money for me just because I'm not young, dumb, or poor.

The odd thing about Republicans is that they can't find a way to make only Republicans rich. The best they can do is make all rich people richer, even those who are liberals, progressives, and Democrats.

You know all those Hollywood types and NYC elites that you Trumptards hate with a passion? Yeah, we're making fucking BANK thanks to you.

takes2long
takes2long

You know the main reason the boomers did well was because America was the main exporter of shit after ww2 right?

And you also know that happened because the other possible competitor (Europe) was in total chambels right?

You sound like a bitch complaining that you now have to have a modest life instead of the of rampant luxury and excess your generations before had just because you actually have to put an effort and your ass into it instead of expect your government to subside your gas pumping job through unlimited and mostly fluffed credit.

This is why actual skilled people can't take none of your simpleton complaints even remotely serious, you expect to have a luxurious life just because you were born in America and can speak English.

On top of that you think that a knuckle head billionaire who has the same biz IQ than your hillbilly mother will make it happen by pulling the country out of the global market and making imports a luxury.

Is going to be the most comfy ride once I get to see America becoming a shit hole while a merger takes the American dream back home and I don't even expect communist China to do it, all I hope it's a European country I don't even care if it's Russia, shit even Canada could become the new land of the dreams

Methshot
Methshot

Isn't David Ricardo and the gains from comparative advantage and global specilisation lesson one in every Microeconomics course?

If you want to build robots you go to Japan, if you want to be a farmer you go to Australia and if you want to work in manufacturing you go to China - simple.

Illusionz
Illusionz

American education don't teach that American education lesson one: you have your cake and eat it too?

Can't wait, can't wait

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

45 minutes into checking out a new board and I feel at home.