I don't know much about Fiat but all I've seen on it from this board is universal hatred. Why is that?

That's the plan. I'm thinking of getting a 14 or 15 with 20k miles. I keep seeing 13s though, are they any different or any known issues? I can't find shit on the forums

Busrider?

I think you mistyped, 'Audi Driver'.

In all honesty, the only reason a person would defend FIAT is likely because their parents own one or in the rare case they actually bought one theirself. Fucking weirdo.

they killed lancia and haven't made a good car in years
also
>Fiat Chrysler

>work at enterprise rent-a-car
>drive over to the chrysler dealership about 3 times a day to pick up customers
>same story each time
>"I just bought this car and now it's in the shop"

Chrysler-Fiat was a mistake

I was considering one as well

Mostly as a fun little car

But I think the mini is much better

Fun little cars? Buy a 2 Series BMW, Cadillac ATS, Audi A4, or a Miata. FIATs are pure garbage in every single aspect.

>Mini
Haram. If there's any vehicle I absolutely don't trust, it's a shitbox fwd bmw

Yea go fuck yourself trip fag

The mini is GOAT

All of the new mini's I've driven have been to heavy and unreliable. I haven't tried the newest model but I'm jaded. They handle really well, but they've just been shit for every one I've experienced

>'Audi Driver'

Oh shit, when you thought it couldn't be even worse.

>Fun little cars? Buy a 2 Series BMW, Cadillac ATS, Audi A4, or a Miata
>Cadillac ATS and fucking Audi A4
>calling little a car > 4,50 meters

want a fun little car? Buy these that are 50% heavier and 50% longer
t. retard

with 1000x more features, comfort, performance, handling, status, and reliability all at the cost of not looking like a faggot queer in a FIAT.

want a fun small car? get these starter models of """luxury""" brands that give you the badge, 1000x more features, reliablility, comfort, 50% more weight and 50% more length, and 50% more price. literally wtf are you even talking about

Gee wally, I dont know!

I'm talking about buying a car that can sit on the curb and doesn't pollute people's eyes. By buying an ugly, unreliable, unformfortably disgusting FIAT, you are selfish and don't care about other people.

>ATS
>HANDLING

>not talking about fun small cars
>being this insecure
>buying your car based off what other people will think

>you are selfish and don't care about other people
Typical yurop mindset. Don't you have a Muhammad to prep for the new refugee sexual orientation

I voted for Trump.

When people are riding in my car, yes, I care if they are comfortable and not scraping their elbows on FIAT-Chrysler engineered plastic.

(see lincoln, cadillac, buick, audi, mercedes, mercury, jaguar, lexus, some toyotas, and bmw.

you're such a retard dude. you cannot comprehend the meaning of a fun small car for some reason, it's not a hard concept. it's a car you're driving for fun not transport your friends in.
>i care what people think when they see it parked at the curb
>no I meant I care about what my friends think when they sit in it
>a4 and ats
just give up

>The curb reference
I don't care if people know it's mine or not. It's more like, if a newly married couple are taking around their little toddler through town, I'd want that little tyke to be exposed to craftsmanship engineering like back in the late 50's. If a little kid sees some retarded FIAT, he'll most likely become a liberal with a very.... hmmmm... 'unrefined' taste.

>I'd want that little tyke to be exposed to craftsmanship engineering like back in the late 50's.
Damn son, you really are a fag

I wouldn't have thought there were that many this retarded Americans but there were enough in the right places

The 2013 only has a driver seat armrest. The peasant passenger has to do with no left arm support. In 2014 I believe Luigi in quality control woke up from his riposso and noticed they hadn't been installing the passenger one. Also Marco in electronics comes in every morning doused in wine before he gets to work, so your clock will probably start running slow every other month, along with the other electronics. Antonio in engines has his shit together and makes some really good stuff. Problem is that he only learned how to make a really reliable 1.4 T-jet, and sneaks it into every car he can with different names to avoid having to make anything else.

So the 14 is a better choice? I figure I'll get an extended warranty and just keep the car for a few years. What kind of mileage are you getting?

quite simply, they're shit-tier quality cars

from what I've gathered, fiats have better quality interiors and better driving feel than chrysler/dodge/jeep. however, FCA products are not engineered for reliability and that's just a universal fact

friend of mine actually had a fiat 500. she loved it and did maintenance as required, but little issues started popping up within the first 6 months of owning it. eventually after a year it had some sort of massive engine failure so she ended up trading it in for a scion xB

29-30 if I drive cautious. I don't drive cautious. I've got a 2015, but they're all practically the same car. It's sort of a tiny Italian Challenger in the way that it hasn't really been upgraded since 2007 or so. 2016s got a facelift, but I'm not sure about the internals. I'm planning on keeping mine for a couple years or so as well, just want something small and fun for daily commuting right now.

What problems other than wonky clocks and radios have you had? They just seem like a good deal, and I've driven a few and they're genuinely fun

I've only had the car for about a month, so not enough time to really encounter anything. The cabin roof light fixture is a little loose and rattles on rough roads, but I just have to stop being lazy and figure out how to tighten it. Also the front suspension makes a bit of noise over bumps, so I figure it may need some work up there.

>VAG group
That a facebook group for appreciating good pussy?

Also the wonky clocks and radios was just what I've heard from various sites. My clock is still running on time and everything else is working as it should.

Doesn't sound bad at all.

Fuck I want one so bad

y not 124?

superiority breeds jealousy

>PUT BIGGER ENGINE IN ATS
>DO SUB-8 MINUTE BURGERKING IN A TUNA BOAT OF A CAR BECAUSE THE STEERING IS ALREADY REALLY GOOD

R E T A R D

I just like cheap, fun, retro cars desu. If Nissan got their shit together and put this into production I'd pick it up in a heartbeat when I go to switch from my Abarth.

4 seats and now luggage space and you can scoop up a low mileage example for 11k.

>Nissan
>Making good cars
It's 2017, pick one

That was my reasoning for getting the 500 Abarth as well. I needed a daily driver that I could fit some stuff in but also haul some buddies in a pinch, so the 124, sexy as it is, was out. Also for whatever reason, despite the two having the same engine they didn't give the 124 the godly sounding straight pipes.
As for Nissan, a man can dream. He'll be disappointed, but he can dream.

My only worry is that I won't be able to fit my skis inside

>what is roof rack
>what is trunk rack

>Trunk rack
>Hatchback
>K2 177s
Let me know if you see a problem.

Roof rack is a good idea though

Interior space is a meme senpai

Kek

>Audi driver

Did you guys miss the no smoking sticker? That's a rental

Why did they fuck up the logo

That's even worse.

>renting an Audi

You could choose from N different premium cars but you end up picking the Audi A4 because you're a badgewhore.

thoughts on the 124 Abarth?

This guy's basically digging himself into a deeper hole each time he posts

Pretty, ride is a little floatier than the Miata for better cruising and road feel, less power on demand than the Miata because turbo instead of naturally aspirated. Keeps all the reliable japanese parts including the transmission and the only Italian mechanical feature is a bulletproof engine, so all in all, bretty gud.

Needs the old busso engine out of Alfa Romeo, give it a bit of grunt.

I heard it was originally going to be an Alfa, but they ultimately decided they didn't want to put their name on anything that wasn't 100% Italian, so we missed out on some better engine choices I think.

I always like how comfy Fiat threads are. Everyone knows they're just cheap Italian boxes that are reasonably fun to drive, and there's always something goofy like a 500 carrying a fucking canoe.

Drove a rental Fiat 500 once. The gear selector was one of the cheapest feeling pieces of plastic I've ever touched in a car.

Yeah the whole interior is pretty much hard plastic. Even worse on the automatic versions, which I'm imagining the rental was. My Abarth they at least replaced the wheel and shifter with hilariously oversized and leather wrapped variants.

>I don't know much about Fiat

Doesn't know about Fiat
Ends up schooling and arguing on why it is superior....

Here's the scoop:

Fiats in the US are made in Mexico, and they're crap. But Fiats in Europe are made in Poland, in the same factory that used to make those 126 Polskis, and they're much better quality.

Fiat have always been good at making small cars, but anything bigger than 4 metres tends to end up mediocre. See: Bravo, Brava, Marea, Multipla, Linea, Stilo, etc.

>See: Bravo, Brava, Marea, Multipla, Linea, Stilo, etc.

Apart from the Bravo, which was a farly done car, the other models were from the 90s during the Fiat darkest ages.

Today European Fiats are good: 500L, 500X, Tipo, Panda and Punto.

You know the worst thing Fiat group has done through the years, this also applies as Alfa Romeo with the Giulietta, is launching a brand new car in "beta" state and getting their shit togheter after the first restyling when the critics are now settled.

Just get in a 2010 Giulietta and after that jump in a 2016 Giulietta: an abyss.

They're shit in reliability terms and they depreciate like a rock.

Fiat 500 and Fiat Panda good cars.

Americans are mad because Jeep real American company was taken over by Italians.

>first car
>punto diesel

Fuck them and their shitty interior quality, literally everything is rattling. Fucking door locker is making nose all the time.

The only excuse to drive a Fiat is if you live in Europe and want to do cheap rally racing.

otherwise...
>Faggot
>Inexplicably
>Adores
>Trash

who the fuck is tony

it's Fixing it again today

Tony, because fiat is Italian. Tony must fix his car again because it has broken down

...

Funnily enough Tony is Italo American.

Antonio --> Anthony --> Tony

>you want to go driving user?
>I'd like to, really I would, but you see, your key doesn't work anymore
>you probably need to take it to get reprogrammed... again
>also I'm leaking a bit of oil, so if you could fix that
>um, user, my clutch is slipping a little
>it's ok user, now we can spend all day in the garage together!

Time to gb2/b, frogposter.