STEM

Methnerd
Methnerd

Is a STEM career the only career path where college becomes worth the cost or is STEM just a meme?

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SniperWish
SniperWish

I don't know user, you tell me. Which career looks more aligned with self driving cars, self service machines, and auto landing rockets?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

STEM + Chad = God
STEM + autismo = gainfully employed

DeathDog
DeathDog

In thirld world (Africa, Cambodia...) or less developed countries (Mexico, Brazil, USA, China, Russia...) just go for STEM. If you're in Western or Northern Europe/Canada/Australia/Japan go for what you like.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

so the only reason people on this form jerk off over stem is because it's the only areas where you can be an autist and still have a decent job?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

STEM is a meme, have fun wasting 100k on college to be a wageslave for the rest of your life

Firespawn
Firespawn

partially, also because technology is what drives the world and math and science allow you to create better tech and also use that tech

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

ywn be chad mcchaddington, CEO with an MBA from Wharton
chad never works a day in his life and bangs supermodels while firing your dumb ass

cum2soon
cum2soon

Going STEM in Russia
This comment is on par "kys".

Skullbone
Skullbone

every degree is worthless if you don't have family or friends willing to give you a job

RumChicken
RumChicken

less developed (USA)

wew, almost caught me with that bait

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

ywn be frank gunderson, CEO with an MBA from Hardvard
frank never has a day off and has stress-related impotency

Emberburn
Emberburn

college costed me less than 5k and I make 6 digits now

SniperWish
SniperWish

don't want to do STEM?
get a degree in gender studies and see how it works out for ya

WebTool
WebTool

I'm doing Finance and I have pretty good prospects waiting for me when I'm finished solely from socializing

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

what degree?

JunkTop
JunkTop

why do people think that senior executives don't do work? they've no free time and are all on a cocktail of anti-anxiety/attention drugs, mixed with various sleep aids and laxatives

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

STEM's real lure is benefits and job security, also working for something that matters is nice as opposed to some jobs that don't make the world a better place in any quantifiable manner.

It isn't the highest salary cap field.

iluvmen
iluvmen

True words have never been spoke OP. This is coming from a mechanical engineer.

It would work out better than you think. 10% the effort, 90% the pay. Most STEM professions are very underpaid when you consider how much harder they are and how much more skilled you need to be.

Methshot
Methshot

it'll work out just fine, get a government HR job extracting resources from the real economy, 20 year pension plus vaca and great healthcare

RavySnake
RavySnake

I'm doing physics because I love it. It just happens that it comes with a decent paycheck. I fucking hate people who get their degree just to aspire to be a wagecuck.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Is Finance considered STEM?
Any Finance degrees here?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

No degree
80k in network design engineer for a big company
looking to be over six figures one day

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Finance is not Science, Technology, Engineering, or Math.

Even though it has math in it, it still doesn't qualify. It's a business degree.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

get CS degree
get 160k at Facebook right after graduation
looking at 300k after a couple of promotions in a few years

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

What do you honestly even do that's worth so much money?

Give us your daily work routine.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

He's in the shitposting department.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Not that poster but I make a lot and I have a CS degree. Making design/architectural decisions and implementing them is what makes us valuable. Being a good software engineer requires a stupid amount of abilities. You have to know computers inside and out, have a decent mathematical background, understand different algorithms and their tradeoffs, understand different data structures and their tradeoffs, understand databases and how to structure them for efficiency, know to think abstractly, know how the tiny part you're working on fits into the entire system, etc etc etc

I could literally go on and on but I don't feel like typing more. All of the shit I posted above is something you might do in a standard day.

Point is, most people aren't smart enough OR they didn't dedicate enough time to computers in their life to have any chance being able to do what we do. So I'm clear, you don't have to be a genius to do the shit we do, but you have to at least really really really like everything computer-related and have put the time in to reach mastery. Being smart helps though.

TechHater
TechHater

Making design/architectural decisions and implementing them is what makes us valuable. Being a good software engineer requires a stupid amount of abilities. You have to know computers inside and out, have a decent mathematical background, understand different algorithms and their tradeoffs, understand different data structures and their tradeoffs, understand databases and how to structure them for efficiency, know to think abstractly, know how the tiny part you're working on fits into the entire system, etc etc etc
We learned these skills as part of our mechanical engineering coursework, from high level data structures all the way down to microarchitecture implementation. Everyone I know can code in at least three languages, plus do all sorts of embedded stuff you guys don't knoe how to. And that's not even touching on all the continuum mechanics/ control theory/ other stuff we learn.

I'll ask it again: what do you do that is actually valuable? What do you produce that makes money?

Supergrass
Supergrass

cout << "Should I minor in CS with my Mech. Eng. major";

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Is a STEM career the only career path where college becomes worth the cost or is STEM just a meme?

I worked in IT for a while and went back to school for my CS degree.

I also went to a good, expensive private school for a year, and then a cheaper, decent but lesser public commuter school.

It's kind of what you put into it. I know people who have made massive fortunes in IT. I know more people who have made a couple of million. This motivates me, as do other things.

A lot of these kids were slackers. They had no initiative. People aren't going to hand you things on a silver platter. Doing the minimum won't get you any where.

Is it fair? Maybe not. It's how it is though.

The people I know who worked hard and showed initiative did well.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

So just getting a cs degree by the skin of your teeth and doing nothing else is a waste of time?

viagrandad
viagrandad

So just getting a cs degree by the skin of your teeth and doing nothing else is a waste of time?

I know non-CS college graduates who went to Javascript bootcamp for a few weeks and got jobs in San Francisco.

In San Francisco 2016 and so far 2017, that works. But what if things cool off, as they always do? 95% of these Javascript bootcamp people will be out on their ass. I have been in this industry for 25 years and have seen three cool periods and three warm periods (now is 2nd warmest, late 1990s was warmest). When the economy cools off, the CS grads who know their shit keep their jobs, and the Javascript bootcamp kids do something else.

If you're not going to do it 100% it's not worth it. People who don't enjoy their jobs don't succeed. Most people I know who make a lot of money love what they do.

massdebater
massdebater

I'm 4 years in and don't meet that criteria. Fuck me.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Biggest meme in history, gonna go business administration and join a fraternity, lol at stem cucks

Gonna work for me anyways, muh mathematical reasoning

SniperWish
SniperWish

100k in debt for STEM
All jobs are at minimum wage because pajeet and deepak are ready to do it for even less

It's a meme

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Did you gather all this from your mother's basement?

You can get a solid STEM degree for 50k if you don't dick around and stay in state. Even less if you get scholarships.

It's only a meme if you're retarded. Do some networking, get an internship, make decent grades and there's plenty of jobs.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

include in there that people will pay you to go to school for it

i got a full ride for engineering

eGremlin
eGremlin

Not everyone is a minority or a woman.

idontknow
idontknow

Quit making excuses for being a fucking failure. I swear you /pol/tards are just /r9k/ edgelords. Niggers and woman aren't why you're still living at home.

Evilember
Evilember

You're overestimating Pajeet. I make 125k a year. There are a handful of companies that do what the company I'm at does. 1 or 2 in Europe. Be in demand, don't be not in demand.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

be 19 years old
go to a coding bootcamp
get hired as a junior at 60k AUD
1.5 years later
now at intermediate position on 6 figures

remind me again why I need a CS degree?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Thinking CS and Soft E. majors don't know how to do embedded programming or electronics.

Ok bud. You keep earning your $70k a year or whatever. If we didn't provide a valuable service, we wouldn't be paid what we're paid, simple as that. The market has deemed what we do valuable, so why the fuck would I care what you think? Quite frankly, it wouldn't matter how elaborate a response I gave you, you wouldn't be content that we're making more than you. Come back when you can successfully answer 80% or more of the top tech interview questions.

FastChef
FastChef

I have $0 debt and I make $120k+ per year (this will only go up) from CS so I'd say it's good for me so far

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Then go become a software engineer

Protip: You can't because you don't actually know how to architect complex systems or write clean and performant code from your study of matlab and python

Emberburn
Emberburn

Can you explain this ?

I am not messing with you, I was just thinking about moving to Russia (from the UK) when i finish my maths degree

(My mum is Russian and I have family there)

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

CS in an europoor country (had to move out of the country obviously, I would earn five times less there)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

100k on college

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I remember when STEM meant discovery to aid humanity and not some cynical cash grab. At least make it MET and leave the S out of it.

Lunatick
Lunatick

biz degree
working on finance masters
no debt
good grades
no connections

Can confirm degrees are memes, currently sitting through "International Business" learning that different cultures expect different things.

This is repeated ad nauseam for 3 hours and the adjunct professor just brags about how he travels and basically does no work.

iluvmen
iluvmen

True. Chad cheats to pass Calculus 1 while you try to get an A in Differential Equations so you can have a competitive graduate school application.

Chad ends up earning 300K working at a private equity firm meanwhile you slave a job at IBM making 90K a year max.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

sorry I'm a white guy!
just like most graduates and most people with jobs in engineering!
I spent my entire four years of undergrad totally isolated from the sjw menace!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

try to get a degree in engineering
fail out first engineering course
change major to business finance
ezpz without even looking at the book

Yep, I'm gonna be unemployed. Pic related, the courses I'll be taking in the spring. I'll probably be binge watching on netflix this upcoming semester.

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