All consumable resources are. Wands, scrolls, potions...
Adam Howard
How would we balance spell casters if we did this
Nolan Reed
Dumb generalization.
Charles Ross
In DCSS? Hunger doesn't meaningfully affect gameplay whether you are spriggan, gozag, or a spellcaster. No balance changes are needed to counter-balance food removal.
Chase Scott
Food/hunger is just resource management. Either resource management is bloat, or it isn't.
Asher Young
>b is a subset of a >and b is c >therefore a is c Remove thyself.
Isaiah Edwards
That’s a real black and white view of things.
David Perez
What separates B (hunger) from A (resource managent)?
If you're arbitrarily deciding that B is bloat, you need to explain why before you can have an argument.
Camden Jones
Non-food consumable resources have tactical implications and do not exist in massive quantities like food does (chunks+perma-food is a lot).
Food has no strategic relevance whatsoever.
I don't know about you, but I find potions, wands, and scrolls fun to use, whereas food is not fun to use.
No tactical relevance, no strategic relevance, not fun. Bloat.
Nolan Adams
Go away Kevin, don’t you have a not-a-roguelike to ruin?
Joshua Watson
I like getting intrinsics from corpses isn’t that strategic?
Easton Lee
Not really, as long as you don't need to make choices.
POWDER hunger mechanics are strategic, though - get bloated for regen or diet for potions.
Anthony Reed
>Food has no strategic relevance whatsoever. I think what you meant to say was food has no tactical relevance. Strategy = large scale/long term, tactics = small scale/short term. HP lost is a tactical concern, infection caused by a poorly cauterized wound is a strategic concern. One turn spent drinking a potion mid-battle is a tactical concern, five minutes preparing and eating a meal from the existing resources during downtime is a tactical concern.
But I digress. Touch of hunger. Hunger from spellcasting, places and times when food doesn't exist in massive quantities, etc. Food can very much be strategically relevant.
Ayden Jackson
I meant what I said.
The issue with that claim is that food pretty much always exists in massive quantities in DCSS.
Dylan Walker
We're not discussing DCSS.
Gabriel Sanders
Oh sorry, I thought we were discussing roguelikes.
Zachary Turner
We are, it's just that games with cats in them are not roguelikes.
Isaac Brooks
>b is a subset of a >and b is c >therefore a is c Remove thyself.
Kevin Gutierrez
We’re discussing hunger mechanics which dcss has and the strategic significance of hunger mechanics which dcss doesn’t have. Don’t be dense.
Adrian Ross
DCSS is not the only roguelike with hunger mechanics. If you're making a wide statement like >Food/hunger mechanics are bloat anyway in a >Roguelike thread, the inference is that you're talking about food/hunger mechanics in regards to Roguelikes.
You never specified it's bloat in SOME roguelikes, you've never picked out the subset (DCSS) from the set (Roguelikes), so we are discussing Roguelikes.
Camden Scott
Says the guy who says if hunger is bloat all resource management is bloat. Nope no wide sweeping statements here.
Jeremiah Mitchell
Can you tell a few words about my in-dev roguelike's UI? Sorry for commies language
Matthew Jones
It needs work
Ryder Wood
That post is merely pointing out the fallacy in your statement by making an equally ridiculous one. Apparently it went over your head.
Adrian Cox
HOW THE FUCK I GET OUT THE ABYSS?
I've been here for almost half hour and no fucking exit gateways
Nicholas Martin
Spend another half hour
Alexander Watson
I haven't been around in about a year, have there been any good additions to trunk?
Hunter Hall
So you were just being retarded on purpose. Got it. Hunger mechanics are still bloat and don’t add any gameplay depth.
Connor Martinez
Objectively wrong.
Isaiah Wright
I don't know man, it's kinda, I mean Make it more... pssssh
Charles Lopez
>oh no I’m hungry better eat one of these 16 rations Strategery
Hudson Gray
Skill targetting. Nospawn was a particularly good removal. Evocations changes were pretty good as well.
Nolan Davis
what's skill targetting and nospawn?
Justin Martinez
>I have never played a good roguelike with meaningful resource management, ever.
Joseph Wood
I feel like doing a graphical roguelike with sidebars for anything other than message log is kind of silly. Waste of the potential of going graphical. HUD overlays are a much better way to do that if you're smart about it.
Anthony Brooks
Skill targetting lets you press = in the skill screen and set a target which automatically stops training when the skill hits that level.
No spawn means that monsters no longer randomly spawn after initial level generation outside of zones like Abyss and the orbrun.
Joseph Young
Man, I died... I really want to cry. What the hell
Luke Roberts
Nobody around here plays brogue
Isaac Davis
Well if it's any consolation, Abyss 4 as a Qazlal worshipper would be difficult for even an experienced player.
Joshua Bell
Food is a non-issue in Brogue if you are any good, hopefully that's not what user means though.
Landon Perry
Git gud
Tyler Miller
Holy shit, those both sound awesome, I might have to actually play some dcss for once.
Nicholas White
The same could be said for any game like rogue.
Aaron Wilson
anyone still playing tangledeep unironically?
Jordan Carter
Yeah I'm really trying hard to think of a roguelike where food is a meaningful strategic resource and I'm coming up with nothing.
Brandon Watson
Nobody was even playing it ironically
Christian Flores
I was and now I like it I still prefer OWH+ and Elona though
Brandon Gomez
I wonder what Dicks thinks about the whole catalonian independence thing.
Jeremiah Roberts
Well you haven't posted any runs/wins so I'm inclined to think you're full of shit.
Ryan Morgan
I haven't won yet and if I posted my run it would just turn into shitting on muh dongle deep is shit paying for rls lmao lol no taste shit game gb2rddt shitposting fest actually barely anyone posts their runs here anyway
Brody Perez
I just checked it out and it turns out there's been tons of updates, I'm gonna give it another chance later this day
Kevin Myers
ivan got an update???
Owen Gomez
Ye
Juan Moore
Just now and it's a juicy one, too. Gonna play it.
Nolan Butler
>tayngl deap costs 15 euro HAHAHAHA WHAT
Bentley Garcia
OH SHIT
Jaxon Morris
>/rlg/ poster cannot afford 15 euro LUL PogChamp Kappa
Adrian Moore
Wow nice
Samuel Robinson
More like /rlg/ poster doesn't want to spend 15e without a good reason
Ethan King
Apparently you can dig out the new dungeon's ruby walls and the guards won't give a shit.
Grayson Perry
Though the best material you can get on a pickaxe by praying to loricatus is meteoric steel. You could actually get a mithril pickaxe from killing a shopkeeper of course, but that kinda defeats the whole purpose of selling things to a shopkeeper, since he doesn't drop money on death. Well, that's one thing out of the way.
Andrew Rivera
Oh, man. They added sol stones. This makes training legstrength useless in IVAN again because you can use scrolls of change material to turn them into gold and then clone them.
Joshua Morgan
Oh shit nigga
Austin Cruz
Really good gear on this dude, but the fucker's standing on church ground even if she's outside the walls, so it's impossible to actually kill her. What I want to try to see is if I could actually put down a wand of teleport next to her, plant a mine and teleport her away from her post so I could murder her more easily.
Jayden Wilson
AFC. And apparently even if I was levitating, I triggered the explosion somehow. Maybe it's scripted for cathedral mines? Maybe it wasn't allowed?
William Wright
Welp I guess we aren't getting the first madness win today after all.
Jeremiah Gomez
Man, they really reworked the attnam underground dungeon. I like it.
Liam Brown
Sadly, these guys must have the same cirminal scum sense the Oblivion guards had, because even if you close yourself in an empty room, people will know you stole from them and the whole town of attnam will want to kill you. Too bad, because there's like 20 carrots here. That's a shitton of perception points.
Jonathan Phillips
The coffin at the end of the dungeon is empty, as always. But the dude that's guarding it carries two unique octiron axes covered with liquid darkness, which hit for darkness I guess? They never stop being covered with it, are pretty accurate and superlight and can also be sold for a fair price if you've got better gear already. Killing him from afar with a wand in the earlygame seems like the best choice to get some good weapons.
Joseph Adams
You can get better, but above meteoric you need to get lucky. It's like 1 in 25 or so.
Anthony Garcia
The old fluff was that the paintings of Petrus were watching you, but I guess they forgot to put them on the walls for that level.
Charles Morris
>MexTE4: im going to have to cheat the win now to fix this What did he mean by this?
Luke Bailey
yeah, I remember there was damascus steel and even mithril, but it's hardly worth it.
The hell's Kangband? And if it doesn't have -R's features, what's the point?
Nolan Morris
>compostband >literally shitband
he could have chosen a better name.
Nicholas Scott
having the up/down/left/right arrows all in a vertical line seems like a horrible, horrible decision
Isaiah Davis
stop seeing shit everywhere
Benjamin Butler
rogue
Liam Reed
the dev knows about -r and intends to bring in features/content from there too assuming is coding will keeps up
David Cox
WE WUZ
Aaron Walker
A series of Orbs of Fire malmutated the fuck out of me in the orb vault, and now I look like this.
Am I right in thinking the only way to get out of this now is to chug potions of mutation and hope for the best?
Brayden Campbell
JUST
Hudson Peterson
I like the ruins. With lucky personality you can actually get (excellent) items from an inexhaustible source of rubble that just respawns once you go back to the worldmap.
Jaxon Lewis
also oh my god will angband.live's interface ever not be shit
playing poschengband without a monster subwindow is asking for suicide to happen.
Adrian Wilson
i hope you re memetaur berserker so -30% hp values nothing you still having 300 hp or so
Jose Perez
good, good
Lucas Ramirez
My gf completed ADOM yesterday. Why you can not?
William Bailey
Berlin interpretation says nothing about girlfriends
Lincoln Clark
>memetaur berserker What do you take me for, some kind of idiot?
Gargoyle berserker.
Anyway apparently potions of mutation kick ass now because I drank two and I'm down to this.
Nicholas Anderson
>a pair of horns grows on your head! >your really good helmet falls off! That will never stop being funny.
Isaac Rogers
No kidding. Can't believe the game counts that as a "beneficial" mutation.
Thank god I already have sInv on my plate armour.
Ryder Phillips
I mean don't get me wrong, the new stuff in ivan is great. I do think that the whole stealing mechanic should be improved though. I mean, steal a carrot behind a closed door while invisible and the whole of attnam will be on your ass.
Nathan Stewart
thats what you get for stealing
Noah Robinson
it's just sloppy user you should be able to steal if there's nobody in LOS or you're invisible and they don't have a ring of infravision. But maybe that would buff the chacters too much with the addition of permanently standing elements, which is most unroguelikey.
I just think it's silly. The guaranteed pickaxe and weapons (if you manage to grab them) in the attnam catacombs are good though.